Karachi a Green City

Issues related to religion should always be discussed carefully as more often then not emotions run to extremes. That said, and with due respect, I honestly feel this years celebration of Eid Milad-un-Nabi has been carried a bit too far, with all major roads of Karachi lined with Blazing Green Tube Lights. Correct me if I am wrong there must be more then a couple thousand tubelights lining the streets.

Keep your City Green slogan was an emphasis on growing grass but I am very sure its not for planting tube lights across the city. Seems like quite a waste of resources

23 Comments so far

  1. Anathema (unregistered) on April 17th, 2005 @ 2:32 pm

    how many moulvis do we know who really do have brains and put them to use (asuming they hve them in the first place)

    this may touch a nerve somewhere but Maulana Noorani who died of a heart attack a year ago, and is buried atthe shrine of Abdullah Shah Ghazi, his “katba” reads: “IMAM Maulana Shah…… Noorani SHAHEED RAZI ALLAH TALA ANHAU”

    excuse me but WHO declared him an Imam? HOW is he a shaheed (heart attack is shaheed? all my predecessors are shaheed then!” and worst of all RAZI ALLAH TALA ANHAU?!?!?!?!?!

  2. alias (unregistered) on April 17th, 2005 @ 5:21 pm

    And all the lighting electricity comes from the infamous kundas on every street-light pole. Hmmm… I wonder why the KESC doesn’t do anything about this flagrant exploit of resources.

  3. KO (unregistered) on April 17th, 2005 @ 5:46 pm

    You must hand it to them though for this brilliant ‘greening’ idea.

  4. ija (unregistered) on April 17th, 2005 @ 6:47 pm

    yeah,a complete wastage of resources but who cares!!ppl behind all these probably think they ‘ll get all the SAWAB this way..huh!!by lightening streets n darkening ppls houses.

  5. ArsalaanHaleem (unregistered) on April 17th, 2005 @ 11:00 pm

    Well now we know what they mean when it is said that we should keep the Quaid’s city clean and GREEN. There is just so much greenery that we are almost blinded by it.

  6. hafsa (unregistered) on April 17th, 2005 @ 11:00 pm

    the thing i find most annoying is the way these green lights confuse you all the time as being the traffic lights :/

    a couple of times these slight fooled me and i tried to speed my way through only to find another green light! and then another and then another!

    adds more confusion to the already messed up karachi traffic! :/

  7. Saadie (unregistered) on April 18th, 2005 @ 3:29 am

    and the things we do in the name of religion :S.

  8. A (unregistered) on April 18th, 2005 @ 10:55 am

    All that annoying green lights were for Eid Milad un Nabi? Reminds me to keep my eyes open on Karachi roads from now on…

    But honestly, I would not show any contempt for the maulvis, at least not publicly…if I do, what would hten be the difference between them and me? They tolerate not hte likes of me and intolerance is one thing I simply can not reciprocate; contempt another.

  9. umar (unregistered) on April 18th, 2005 @ 3:00 pm

    it sure is waste of resources and time. nowhere does it say in islam that you should celebrate the birthday of prophet in such manner. and it does say in islam at several places that you shouldnt spend money on useless things. this is a clear violation of teachings of islam. the amount of money spent on this could have been used to help the poor and needy.

  10. Zag (unregistered) on April 18th, 2005 @ 4:20 pm

    Waste of resources….. Yes. Hooked illegaly from kundas….. from what i’ve heard.. Nope. From what i’ve heard and it has been announced via some banner somewhere that they have got an agreement with the KESC and have paid them a lum sum for the electricity that they will be using during these days. I guess that’s why they are putting as many lights as they can, since it’s all been paid for….

  11. Akhlaq Ahmed (unregistered) on April 24th, 2005 @ 3:14 pm


    First of all I read everybody’s comment about EID Milad Un Nabi. I am kind of disappointed. All of you are woried about waste of resources but non of you thought about this resource. Where we got it from and how we got it. Allah Subana wa Tala Said O Prophet (PBUH) if it was not to you I would not have created the Universe. This is Hadith Kudsi. It means that these words are Allah subana Wa Tal’s word. If it was not of Prophet we wouldn’t be here. There would be any Electric. Prophet (PBUH) said Our Allah is Rahman. Meaning he forgives. If you move small stone from the street with good intention Allah Subana Wa Tala will forgive you. Main Thing is intention. So if these people put up Green light all over Karachi with good intention for Prophet’s Birthday. Allah subana Wa Tal can forgive them and could give them Haven.

    Also one of you said Prophet never said to celebrate his birthday. However there a lot of things that Companion of Prophet did which never told them to do but they did it with love. Some example. Companion Use to fight over the abulation water meaning when Prophet use to perfom Wudu they use to fight over the water which fall while Prophet performed Wudu. there so many other examples like this. Adition to that there is Hadith Prophet (PBUH) use to fast on Monday and Thursday When one Companion Asked Prophet (PBUH) why do you fast on this day Prophet (PBUH) said I was born on this day and Quran was reveled on this day.

  12. Teeth Maestro (unregistered) on April 25th, 2005 @ 2:18 pm

    Akhlaq – Its interesting how you defend your logical arguments but before I begin to respond to your comment Please do not be offended by my comments and take it ONLY has my logical understanding of the problem, it may be wrong but I am open to discussion.

    Have you ever realised that Eid-Milad Un Nabi is celebrated with so much vigor ONLY in India and Pakistan and this ceremony is to be found NOWHERE else in the world. It takes birth as the Sub-continent soundly believes in celebrating URS and other traditions for Sufis and Saints of the Past. Worldwide I have never seen any Milads or those loud-speaker-blarring late night sermon ‘singing’ sessions, seems to be more of a ‘drama’ then actually knealing down in prayer asking for forgiveness and Thanking Allah for his blessings.

    I will not argue what is quoted in the Hadith etc but I might argue the logic of doing something which appears harmless. It might be harmless now but it does not take long for a harmless tradition to merge into faith.

    You argue that since the Proohet PBUH kept a fast on those specific dates, it logically resons that the Prohet PBUH would want us to celebrate his birthdate with so much vigor. I infact label this new Indo-Pak tradition as an additon to our religion and better labelled as ‘BIDAT’.

    Fundamental changes in religion happen over time, it starts of with a simple cereomony and two to three generations later becomes a die-hard prinicpal of the religion. Chirstaniity is a prime example, The bible was written 13 centuries A.D. do you think it is tha actual representation of what Jesus said, there is NODOUBT tons of changes that can have taken place while being passed from one generation to the next. Heck play the whisper game with 5 people and you would be surprised at the results, forget about a span of 500 years for 6 gernetations to remember what started where…

    Our religion preaches simplicity and it also demands us to preach the simplistic religion to our children not our own concoctions of our interpreations of what the Prophet PBUH would have wanted us to do. I strongly oppose this Milad tradition and feel for us to achieve the peaceful life-after one ONLY has to pray to ALLAH, that is all he asks off us. He does not ask us involve ourselves in religious extra-curicular activities for which we are assured in the Quran will not matter during our judgment in life-here-after

    I remain open to any arguments.

  13. A (unregistered) on April 26th, 2005 @ 12:42 pm

    Akhlaq: No one is suggesting that Eid Milad un Nabi not be celebrated. There is no denying that the Prophet (SAWS) was Rehmet ul Lil Alameen, and thus, it was a momentous day. But look at his life(SAWS) Seerat. The Prophet (SAWS) lead a simple and humble life, with utmost regard to others’ needs, rights, conveniences. And what kind of followers does he have?

    You mentioned fasts? Fasts and prayers were the seerat. Not namood o numaish. Not fanfare, no inconvenience to others.

    I second Teeth M’s opinion, there is no instance of Milads in any other part of the Islamic world, leave alone the Arabian Peninsula.

    The Saudi authorities had to ward off South Asian pilgrims from Roza e Aqdas, such was their (disturbing) zeal at the site. Disturbing because it is akin to equate the Creator with teh Prophet (SAWS).

    In a religion where women’s modesty is part and parcel, you have loudspeakers and all night naat sessions, relaying to the world?

    I also recollect reading that Hadhrat Aisha (RA) had once asked that the voice from Masjid e Nabwi be toned down as it disturbed her peace at home (that was after the death of teh Prophet, SAWS)

    This weekend , when I reached home, all dog tired from work, I found loudspeakers installed in the adjacent street, positioned to maximise voice relay…and we all rushed through our evening prayers. our fear? once the milad starts, there would be no peace.

    At home we had countless rounds of discussions on te disturbing Milad trends. This year, it took on another turn…there were actually alams, like they have at Moharram processions, and bro brought home news of Haleem nights in many areas, again reminding one of Moharram and te Ashura. All these lights, I found, competing with the Sabeels that crop up during Ashura.

    You can’t turn Milad into a show of strength…No one has the right to put me at stake because i refuse to partake in such blatant festivities, that to me, are so much in defiance of teh Seerah.

    I say its a disturbing trend. as things stand, you never know when any celebration or lamentation session takes a violent turn. Emotions are at an all time high at such times. The discussion here was on a waste of resources.

    Do you really think all this lighting was necessary to celebrate? Do you not think it would have served teh purpose better if just for a day we had refrained from vice, intolerance, bigotry, violence, lie, deceit, just for a day followed Sunnah, fasted, prayed, acted humbly, be considerate? Putting up a grand show, for te sake of putting up a show is good? everything can be justified, even murderers have a motive, a sense for justification.

    You say disappointed? It is mutual.

  14. ArsalaanHaleem (unregistered) on April 27th, 2005 @ 7:42 pm

    Agreeing with Teeth Maestro and A, I would say just this. I haven’t and will not understand ever, that why people like Akhlaq don’t get this – a man’s faith (whatever faith that may be) is only between him/her and HIM. No other human being and any living creature can interfere in this intercourse.

    I like to add my own version to a popular saying-‘We may fool everyone some of the time, and some people all the time, but nobody can fool everyone, all the time and we certainly cannot fool ‘HIM’ any of the time.

  15. mohummed (unregistered) on April 28th, 2005 @ 1:13 pm

    I think these extremisms r all brought by illetrate XXXXXXXX who have come 2 karachi 2 make it dirtier!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    Comment edited by Teeth Maestro to block of words that might spur hatred – Please keep this board clean.

  16. A (unregistered) on April 28th, 2005 @ 1:57 pm

    mohummed: Don’t you think you are being an extremist in labelling and blaming XXXXXXX for such acts? how would you say you are better than those you condemn when you yourself are quick to wag a blaming/accusing finger?

    We were talking of bigotry and intolerance. what would your stance be on it?


    Comment edited by Teeth Maestro in light of the previous comment by Mohummed – (@A – I apologize for blocking it out but needed to keep this board clean)

  17. A (unregistered) on April 29th, 2005 @ 10:15 am

    TM: No apologies for blocking waht i had quoted from Muhammad’s comment. I see where you are coming from.

    You can but apologize for missing that ‘f’ in:

    “Comment edited by Teeth Maestro to block of words that might spur hatred – Please keep this board clean.”


  18. Akhlaq Ahmed (unregistered) on May 8th, 2005 @ 10:19 am

    Teeth Maestro : Salaaaam Brother First of all I am not offended by your comments. Second of all whatever statemnet I made were not Logical statement but they were Facts. Now about no one else Celebrets Milad except Indo Pak is not true Alazhar University is well know University in Cairo they celebreted as well. I will suggest you to Download the books from the following Cite:


    Person who wrote this book is not from Pakistan nor from India. He is frm Turkey

    Check Following cites you will get more info:



    If you want to send me an Email. My Email Address is pardesi718@aol.com.

    The Key thing is to read everythin than make your decision.

    May Allah Subana wa tala guide us on the path of those who were gifted by Allah Subana wa tala


  19. Akhlaq Ahmed (unregistered) on May 8th, 2005 @ 2:38 pm

    Teeth Maestro and A – Sallam If you didn’t not get a chance to read the material that I recomendad in my previous post. If you are seriously intrested in this topic I would greatly recomand at least you should read the following article. The text which is on bellow link is not from someone who is from Pakistan nor India.


    May Allah Subana Wa Tala put us on the straight the path of those Who Allah Subana Wa Tala has gifted

  20. Teeth Maestro (unregistered) on May 8th, 2005 @ 4:00 pm

    Akhlaq – Thank you for providing those links – let me digest the information and the will post back my views. All the best

  21. A (unregistered) on May 9th, 2005 @ 3:45 pm

    Akhlaq: Wasalam and thanks for the links.

    The contention here was not whether or not to celebrate Eid Milad un Nabi. As I said earlier, the question was how things take a turn for the worse…

    blaring loudpeakers disturbing others’ peace of mind can hardly be justified when one is trying his/her level best to concentrate on the words in namaz, among other things.

    The topic was a waste of resources. The temperature in Karachi these days is a blazing 35C plus, during the day and drops by 10 degrees by night. There is load-shedding to make lives dreary. Was such flagrant lighting all around the city then called for?

    It was, seemingly, an elaborate show of muscle…and that is what piques me. Pious is as pious does, not shows.

  22. Akhlaq Ahmed (unregistered) on May 13th, 2005 @ 11:50 am


    A : Brother A I am pretty sure that you have not read the links that I have posted here cuz one of the link I posted it has almost more than 5 books on it. and I am pretty sure that you have not read the last link that I posted.


    Read the following Paragraph from the above mentioned link.

    “Each year on the 12th of Rabi` al-Awwal, after the salat al-Maghrib, the four qadis of Makkah (representing the Four Schools) and large groups of people including the fuqaha’ (scholars) and fudala’ (notables) of Makkah, shaykhs, zawiya teachers and their students, ru’asa’ (magistrates), and muta`ammamin (scholars) leave the mosque and set out collectively for a visit to the birthplace of the Prophet, shouting out dhikr and tahlil (LA ILAHA ILLALLAH). The houses on the route are illuminated with numerous lanterns and large candles, and a great many people are out and about. They all wear special clothes and they take their children with them. Having reached the birthplace, inside a special sermon for the occasion of the birthday of the Prophet is delivered, mentioning the miracles (karamat) that took place on that occasion. Hereafter the du`a’ for the Sultan (i.e. the Caliph), the Emir of Makkah, and the Shafi`i qadi is performed and all pray humbly. Shortly before the salat al-`Isha’, the whole party returns from the birthplace of the Prophet to the Great Mosque, which is almost overcrowded, and all sit down in rows at the foot of the Maqam Ibrahim. In the mosque, a preacher first mentions the tahmid (AL HAMDULILLAH) and the tahlil, and once again the du`a’ for the Sultan, the Emir, and the Shafi`i qadi is performed. After this the call for the Salat al-`Isha’ is made. After the salat, the crowd breaks up. A similar description is given by al-Diyarbakri (d. 960) in his Ta’rikh al-Khamis.”

    ” The houses on the route are illuminated with numerous lanterns and large candles”

    If your concern was resources Than you should have used Candles on your house and suggest to all you neighbours to do that as well. Let me tell you one more thing areas that don’t have an electric in Punjab they still use Candles to Dacorite mosques.

    May Allah Subana wa tala put us on the path of those who he is gifted.

  23. LionKing (unregistered) on May 25th, 2005 @ 1:00 pm

    Asalam Alaikum all…

    People ask whether we should celebrate the Prophet(Saw)’s birth, I say we should celebrate him every second of the day, every day, for the rest of our lives. Reviving one sunnah is celebrating him.

    If the Prophet(Saw) were here, I am 100% sure he would not approve of an extravagant celebration of his date of birth. If you love him, keep his sunnah, if you want to celebrate him, tell others about his compassionate and perfect character and his very difficult life, which he endured serve Allah and his own ummah, he was stoned, spat on, cursed because he cared for us and wanted us to be safe and the non-believers to be brothers in faith. And he himself gained nothing in this world even though he could have had the best riches, he denied all extravagance, his own daughter’s wedding was so simple, why should our weddings be extravagant? Are we more respectable children than the prophet(Saw)’s children? Who are we to have extravagance?

    We are not 1% of him, if anyone deserved extravagance it was the Prophet(Saw)…if he denied it, so should we….

    It’s time to make the heart and minds extravagant in imaan, inshaAllah.

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