Misbehaving audiences.
I went to a concert on Saturday, that was being held at the Defence Authority Club. While the performers itself were great,, the audience was horrendous, which made one feel like they’d paid money to be subjected to harrassment. More than 60% of the crowd was ill-behaved, and were bent upon treating women like their objects of pleasure [well not so literally, but you get my point]. While this is commonplace at public concerts, what really ticked me off was the attitude of the organizers and the security staff - there were barely 3 security guards visible at the concert, and most of them only appeared when Ali Azmat [one of the performers that night] came on stage. When I went to complain about a certain person who was misbehaving with girls at the venue, the guard blithely informed me that someone would be there soon to sort out the issue. 6 hours later, that ‘certain person’ started shoving people around, and the awaited guards were nowhere to be seen. It really pisses me off how we pay good money to enjoy ourselves, and concert organizers don’t give a shit about the security of the audience.
Related posts:
This is really terrible. Who organized this concert? You can start by pointing out the organizers here… this will be the first step in doing something about this evil. If you don’t do this there is no point in posting this information here.
There is no harm in pointing out specific people here. We should discuss this openly and point out their incompetence in public. If someone differs from this they can also comment.
Huma, you do need to let people know who the organizers were. The best way to teach them a lesson is to not go to their events.
I am truly sorry to find out that such harrassment still occurs in Pakistan. Next time wear steel toed boots and let them have it where it hurts the most!
Oh and I am really sorry that you also had to suffer Ali Azmat.
its so annoying to see that most of us (pakistanis) are illiterate even though we are literate!!!
I would also suggest to take pictures of them and openly criticize each individual!!!
Huma, who told you to go there? Don’t you know that ALL do the same thing! If you have 10 guys near you 8 of them will try to get their hands on you… Its a well known fact! literate or illiterate! doesn’t matter, All have the same instincts.
Its also natural, in a sence that if there is a mercedese parked on the road side… its more likely to be touched my passer-bys rather than if it is covered! I hope you got my point…
But now about doing something about what has happened…. NOTHING will happen if you go to the organizer OR you make a complain about the security guys… OR taking pictures of the ‘bad guys’ for publishing OR start wearing a stupid steel toe!!!!!
All you can do is to take it as a lesson!!! consider self defense techniques, physically and psychologically
welcome to the real world honey!!!!
We are loosing our civic sense, I have been in concerts and have see people act like crazed animals going after and teasing Girls.. I once had to by my shoe and I have seem behave worst then animals On a channd raat, To days back at safari park the management was asking boys to behave and look at girls as they look at there sisters, It is true that we are so Twisted that we actually have to be told to respect ladies. It is a very shameful thing, and yet it is true.
I believe that our media should play a role in improving the civic sense among people, But Only if they come out of this spell of cheep commercialism.
Also I must add that GEO has taken a bold step in pointing out the flaws in our Hudood ordinance, someone should have done that a lot earlier but better late then never.
I guess our record searches in the world for “SEX” on google is now being expressed openly….
but instead of figuring out ways to kick their arse…..
try to understand y its happening…..are we ourselves playing a part in it? or are they like that since genesis?……i guess we should have a blog just on this topic……to discuss the reasons behind all the disrespect shown to women in our society….and its best we push down our emotions and use our frontal lobe if ne such discussion shoots off….
y dodnt u girls keep some pepper-spray type shit?
Its more about civic sense and respect for the community than anything gender related. Last week I watched a show “Living on the edge” on The Musik in which a female participant of the show was asked to violently head-butt a woman so that “she shrieks aloud”. The participant accepted the “dare” and is shown in the program head-butting a woman standing on a bus stop. The hapless woman was caught completely unaware and was seen clutching her head and screaming in agony. If that was not sickening enough, a visit to the website of the show revealed that various participants have been asked to perform dares like sexually harassing young woman, violently knocking down unaware people, throwing eggs on their faces and snatching their purses and mobile phones!!!!
Not only its sickening to see women getting head-butted or people soiled with eggs, it also is a grim reminder of the lack of civic sense in our society. Nearly all the participants of the program seem to be from highly posh localities of Karachi, yet their obliviousness to simple social values is appalling. And while the so-called hip directors/hosts of the show are adept at shamelessly ripping off ideas from foreign shows, whenever they try to do a simple improvisation they make a complete fool of themselves. It seems they are not even literate enough to change a dot.
Now I see why so many events are advertised as ‘No stags’.
Why do these young men not have any respect for women and other people in general? Social graces, good manners, polite behavior are all things taught first at home and then at school; so does this mean our families and our schools are failing to teach any basic human values?
Or is there something inherently wrong with the young men of Pakistan?
And then to blame the women for going to any place because the men cannot be expected to behave themselves just irritates the heck out of me.
You need only go back and read some of the comments in this blog to see that women are treated as objects and not shown much respect.
I don’t know how you gals manage this attitude. Last time when I was in Karachi, I was too scared to go anywhere after few incidences. One of which involved someone shoving me from behind while I shop with my Aunt in Bohri Bazar. Another one is at the Airport yes where most of them have paid thousands of rupees. I was with my parents and this nice looking guy keeps pushing me with his brief case. Well I politely tell him excuse me once but he keep doing it. Later my Dad asked what the problem is and I blurted that he is hurting me with his brief case and Guy was like what are you talking about. The annoying part is he kept doing it until we boarded the plane. Apparently my fellow country men have no sense of queue (line) too. It’s free for all everywhere. You can’t win with this attitude.
I had a choice so I can stay at home but most women cant do this for various reasons. Only God can make these so called Decent Men to behave themselves.
I was there too. The security at the gates was pretty tight, and I didn’t see any ‘harrassment’. But then again I’m not a girl. I was at the front of the audience, in the first standing row in fact, and no one I could see was interested in treating women as objects or misbehaving. Everybody was more keen on enjoying the music. [Although there were some jeers at the female host of the show, but she WAS very pathetic, but some were for the wrong reasons none the less] When people started coming too close to the stage, the organization was quite effeicient in deploying security guards to keep people from coming onto the performers.
I’d say that 60% would be an over-estimate. 20% would be quite a prudent figure, from my perspective.
When I went to buy the tickets a few days earlier, I manage to talk one of the head honchos of the club in question, and he specifically said that tickets would not be sold to ‘hooligans’, and in fact, they were not selling to anybody who did not have a membership or a member’s reference.
This would continue to happen unless people get what they need. Sorry, say me what ever you want but only solution I see is that to get guys/gals marry at very young age like 19-20. This things dont happen in US/Europe not because they respect women but because they are not curious or keen to explore opposite gender. If sex was easily available to people in Pakistan then no one would care of those pretty gals or hot guys. Sex is hunger and you could expect any thing from hungry people. Islam does not allow pre martital relationships but have showed many examples of getting marry at very early age but then Satan has its own ways , he would just pollute the faiths of people that how could you get marry at so young age when you could not support your wife[wives] and kids, if I could go back 10 years from today , I’d marry by age of 20 but now I could not change that but I guess I would prefer my kids to get marry early.
Don’t give me example of decent guys who never do such things, I am[was] also a very decent guy.
Keep this thread constructive instead of throwing stones on me please . I have my own ideology but that does not make me lesser I guess.
damn! i missed da concert :@
I totally agree with POO POO head…. This is the first smart comment i’ve heard since the begining of this topic…
secondly…. discussing islam or having thoughts with an islamic expression does not make one lesser… i think you should be proud of what you have said… and stick to it…
The thing is that if Islam have asked women to be covered then why they don’t? if you keep the meet open the always-hungry egle will definitely snatch it away… its not to say that the guys ‘ARE’ the devils and women “are” always harrased by them… The idea is… both of them should know their boundries (well tought by islam). so both the genders should limit them selves and know what happens when they cross the line… (the enemy don’t kill you if you don’t go behind the enemy lines)
nadir: keeping islam aside for a moment, i agree with your comment wholeheartedly. what is a poor guy to do when some girls come in front of them in tight leather pants and two-size short tank top?! For the female kind, i say its other females cuz of who they get harrassed. Since quite a many females have this ‘progressive and open’ attitude, they infact invite the unscruplous ppl to do stuff. And in the diddy-daddy of events to follow, girls who want no part of it get stuck as well… all my sympathies to them, but its your own kind which emboldens. The same is true for guys as well.. if in a crowd, most of the group is of the unscruplous kind, then hanging out with/near them will also attract danger YOUR way… if you want personal safety.. be conservative.. but PLEASE dont go around asking for everyone else to turn their eyes while you either
a. be the inviting kind
b. hang out with the inviting kind.
Being someone who lives in Europe and who wears hijab i can say for sure that these things STILL DO happen here even though you’re all covered up. Last month Sami Yusuf (canadian naat singer) performed in london, apparently sisters (hijabans) got up and started dancing - the poor bouncers had a tough time trying to control them.
So really, it doesnt make a difference about your outwardly appearance or where you live - what counts is your internal ‘haya’ and frame of mind. You cannot control society, as these things are second nature to most men (and increasingly in women as well these days)… the only thing you can control though is yourself. I am sure you went with the best of intentions, as do most of us.. but these days we really have to watch ourselves if we want to stay safe.
My humble suggestion would thus be, try to avoid these type of gatherings in the future… i guess you only learn from your mistakes hai na.
@ bublee agree with you. Every place is not the best place to be at. I have stopped going to a lot of places because of the same kind of hassle. I also don’t understand why our girls and boys both have started dressing so shamefully. We have to understand that we have to respect ourselves before we expect others to do the same. You should wear whatever you please but it should be modest.
I am not sure what exactly we want here, its kinda stupid to go to these concerts in an age where we have strict prohibition on alcohol, pre-marital sex, freedom of speech, etc; there comes frustration at so many levels. I wont go on blaming some individuals ’cause its useless. In a country where religion is so tightly bound to the state, and where every other thing is danger to the faith, and other throw us out of the cirle (daira-e-islam se khaarij), what my point is, if you see history there are sign of relatively relaxed attitude toward sex and alcohol (I’m just emphasising on these two as they ultimately are the major players), the muslim empire of india, caliphate of al-andalus, persia, and so many; those were the golden age of muslims, and one of the reasons were open minded attitude toward outer world. There were ‘mai-khana’ everywhere but not everybody was getting drunk. The music was not considered instruments of devil, in fact the muslims, in their heydays, gave birth to some of the finest music in the world.
The religious brain of pakistan is trying its best to destroy the country, baqol Iqbal, “din-e-mullah fee sabeel-ullah fasaad”.
What we need is a mass brain wash….
Thank God, I’m an atheist!.
what is a poor guy to do when some girls come in front of them in tight leather pants and two-size short tank top
“Lower your gaze”
Thank God, I’m an atheist!.
Ibless can never be an atheist.What kinda defnition of athesim did you study in books?
Last month Sami Yusuf (canadian naat singer) performed in london, apparently sisters (hijabans) got up and started dancing
amazing!wha kinda dance one can perform on nasheeds.I am just wondering!!
I also don’t understand why our girls and boys both have started dressing so shamefully
Because they are real muslims.People used to practise Islam in past were not englightened enough like our new generation *sarcasm*
@Adnan : Your answer “Lower your gaze” was terrific.
@Poo : I don’t quite agree with your philosophy (not the first time either :) How does one know that none of the misbehaving guys were married? Your assumption is that if someone eats at home, he will not be tempted by any foods available outside. I say it is more about your own self control, your respect for others and more than anything, respect for one;s own self and self dignity.
Well guys… did you notice??? The one who actually started all this is off the scene :)
I am a female who resides in Vancouver B.C.(voted #1 city in the world by U.N.) And I am a believer, I am what alot of Paks would consider too open and independent for a woman. I can say that disrespect even in the best society does exist. A woman is never safe really any where in the world, never has been never will be. I guess it is our lot to bear thanks to Bibi Evea. But at least the laws here protect women. To some degree. IN the west where I am born and raised we are taught from the begining that boys and girls are equal, black and white and everything in between is equal, however as I grew up as a insdepndent woman in this equal world I realised that men and women will never be equal. Men are stronger in some ways and women are stronger in other ways. We are not equal, not meant to be. However, I have learned through the years to use my “feminine” stengths to my complete advantage. The behavior of those “men” at the concert was totally wrong and disrespectful. But I guess the way that I was raised I know how to handle it better than those girls in Karachi. We must as Women reguardless of dress or background be able to look a man in the eyes and let him know and DEMAND our rights to be in a place and treated with arespect just as they want for themselves. Trust me girls no matter how a woman dresses or looks she should have the freedom in her own land to attend whatever she pleases. Women have to fight for their rights in the western countriesYou must stand up and demand your rights as a citizen. Oh, and one more thing: women should not judge other women on how they dress they do that Way too much in Karachi. Trust me I was there a couple of months ago and I almost slapped the SH** out of a few nosey ones The men liked and respected me for the most part. I felt there are more gentlemen there than here in Canada. Take care my sisters.
Anon: Its 5:40 am here and I am so tired [read my blog for reasons] but being old friend I would try to reply you. That comment of mine might have been prejudiced but I still stand with that. When you are full you would not even care for birynai but when you are hungry then you would even love bhindi[I cant tell you how much I despise bhindi]. I agree that there would be always people who would try to take out in pockets from buffet if they are full but they are always in minority. I have rarely seen married people doing such things and besides marriages in Pakistan are barriers, you are forced to live with same person even if you do not like them. Divorce is still out of question in most families there, you have to survive and its just suffocation that makes you try harder out side.
Another perspective !!!!
Okay lets go in more depth. I have never been to any concert[what a waste of time and money, personal feeling] but I tell you the generalized behavior of these toddlers. When a guy of some group do some thing stupid with a gal, they all laugh together and the guy is appreciated with “chagaya hay yar’ or ‘cheeta hay mera bhai’ or ‘man gaya teray ko’ etc etc. Now this guy thinks himself HERO and do more stupid things and then other guys get inspired and some of them try to copy style and even if some one does not dare to , he still enjoys all that “fun”. Now it tells us some thing that this youth wants to feel good about themselves they want to feel like hero [not that its bad, its just their age so perfectly legal] but problem is that these heroes have not enough chances to show their energy and this energy comes out in negative ways. Unless we provide them the ways to express themeselves , they would always behave like that. Give them some things to do positive and definitely the ratio of such things would decrease drastically[here I guess I could write whole para against Musharraf dictatorship :-)]. We could not bring it to zero level other wise we would not have r-a-p-e cases here in US. How cheap is sex here and still people r-a-p-e I wonder why ???
Busy for next 12-14 hours so would not post any more in this thread.
And I will always be there… old friend.
@ sophia– What rights are you demanding for the muslim women, one that Kamal Ataturk gave to his female population in Turkey ?? If you meant that then I am sorry to say that you shouldnt say that you are a believer. I THINK ATHEISTS ARE FAR MORE BATTER THAN PPL LIKE YOU WHO TRY TO TRAVEL ON TWO SHIPS AT A TIME.
There are some responsibilities for men and women in ISLAM, men are asked to keep their gaze low while women are asked to dress modestly.
I DIDNT WANT TO DISCUSS RELGION HERE BUT WHEN PPL SAY THAT THEY ARE BELIEVER AND ACT LIKE THOSE WHO IN THE LIGHT OF QURA’AN ARE TRANSGRESSORS THEN I CAN’T REALLY STOP MYSELF LASHING OUT AT THOSE IGNORANTS.
There is a typing mistake in my previous comment, instead of typing BETTER, I typed BATTER in the following statement,
I THINK ATHEISTS ARE FAR MORE BATTER THAN PPL….
So i hope you guys know what I mean
Cheers
Religion is important part of this scenario, i’ll go as far as saying that it’s the main player here. None of the strongly religious (read islamic) countries have the ‘culture’ of concerts, open appreciation of music, choice of dress, freedom of movement and speech, all these things are interconnected.
It seems people need a customized version of islam, something like tick-box thing, i want this but not that, will do this but not that.
The solution to all this is just chill out and give religion a rest, i am an atheist but islam is very important for me, why? ’cause its part of my cultural identity.
Well guys… did you notice??? The one who actually started all this is off the scene :)
she always does that.YOu are new here thatswhy you are wondering:d.Huma aksar chingari jalakar chali jati hey;d
What Nocturnal said:
Men are asked to keep their gaze low while women are asked to dress modestly.
Well done for saying that! Goes both ways, don’t it? I’m not judging anybody, but could the threadstarter give a discription of how the girls being molested were dressed?
yea… I’m new…. and no doubt its good to be here :)
anyway… i think HUMA should jump back in this time :)
@hameed Well i totally agree with you… poeple want customzied solutions… :S
hameed Well i totally agree with you… poeple want customzied solutions… :S
turnkey solutions eh?
HUMA….60% is a big figure. I mean no organizer can really control and piss off 60% of his customers.
If this is the prevalent culture maybe avoiding such events is the best thing.
Ah , it gave me real pain when I read Mr Ibless comment though I acknowledge his writing style. I have been observing that Muslims in first world are trying to hide their identity. I was born muslim but I am an atheist now , I think religion is a personal matter and we have have same God or I believe in sprituality. I do not drink because it does not attract me , I do not eat pork because its filthy animal etc etc . They would come up with all those excuses and would never accept that their religion has forbidden these things. They would not to like expose their religion, they would try to show that they are same like those native people and they have accepted their culture. I guess they are afraid . I do not have any suggestion or solution for this but I hear same dialogues every day from my fellow muslims especially when some one does reasoning with them.
@Poo old buddy, you have raised so many points that I am compelled to respond to. First, on Bhindi I am with you all the way, a slimy vegetable indeed.
But, that is where our views diverge:)
Concerts are definitely not a waste of time or money, I go to a lot and am looking forward to seeing the ‘Secret Machines’ soon! That to me is indeed a postivie way to enjoy; however, the behavior you describe which is pretty common turns these healthy and positive activities into a real pain. But the real question is, why would the youth of Pakistan encourage such behavior and think it makes them cool (or whatever). To me that says that there is something inherently wrong with our social fabric. What makes you think these hooligans will get better when they get married? I was witness just last year to a married man,wife and daughter with him, sitting staring openly at the women around him at an airport in Pakistan; staring hard enough to make the women extremely uncomfortable.
As far as a hungry man stealing and one with full belly not robbing anyone, how do you explain our politicians? They are all rich and yet still take as much as they can from the country. Again, I stress that it is respect for others and our own selves that we lack. Have you noticed how rude and lacking in social graces the average Pakistani is? Have you seen how they drive?
Anyway, this link might be of interest - I tried to post it before but don’t see it so if it is a repitition, my apologies.
blanknoiseproject.blogspot.com
secret Machines !!! now thats a good band . check out Mogwai and Slowdive
altruistically challenged
Vader,the Dark Sith
@Darth - wow man good to have you back here!!! It has been a looong time. You have been missed.
Secret Machines is truly awesome. I will try the other two you mention; am listening to the ‘Flaming lips’ and ‘The Raconteurs’ these days.
Darth Vader, where have you been my old friend, I have been asking for you. Busy ?? Keep posting , I like your postings. How is Chicago, I was watching movie Break Up yesterday and it reminded me old chicago.
Anon : I am quite anti social and I like to go by myself to operas/movies so I guess concerts are not of my type[or I have not explored them by now] I said that its personal feeling. Enjoy your concerts. See you need to differentiate between hunger and greed. Sex is hunger and money is greed. There is no limit of greed but once your belly is full then you do not care for food. I hope it clears your politician theory.
what the hack is going on here
looks like we karachittes have to much time
on our hands
anyways keep going guys doing good job
Well looking (would be nice if they stop doing it) ain’t hurts anyboby but in my view Men need to keep their paws to themselves :). FYI women too stare a lot especially white folks or just different people.
@ noctornal: WHO ARE YOU TO CALL ME A TRANSGRESSOR YOU FAGGOT OF ISLAM> DO YOU LIKE BOYS? AND I LIVE IN CANADA NOT TURKEY YOU TURKEY> WHO ARE YOU TO TELL ANYONE HOW TO DRESS NO MAN HAS A RIGHT TO PUT HIS HANDS ON ANY WOMAN AGAINST HER WILL> YOU DON’t SOUND VERY BRIGHT IN CANADA AS WELL AS US YOU CAN WEAR A BURKAH YOU ARE NOT GOD AND ONLY HE CAN JUGDE US ALL> YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO CALL ME ATRANGRESSOR OR ANY ONE ELSE> ONLY GOD IS THE JUDGE OF THAT> DON”T HATE ME BECAUSE I AM BLESSED AND YOU ARE MISERABLE JUDGE THAT
HUMA is it possible to change the Topic Name to “Relegion, Society and Sex”
:D
Man… some gal named Huma is pissed off! lol. Ok, here is my story. I was there at the Junoon concert in 1998 at the same club. You should have seen the crowd there. Guys were trying to climb the tent poles. Now I would love to see women do that on steel poles, but guys disgust me! I think the point of most of the male crowd was to “check’em out!”. An d what would be a better way to impress females than acting like a jerk and moron! I think its the fault of old Punjabi movies.
and @ALZ : Not only do your views suck, so does your spelling skills. When you accept something wrong in the society as given, then the social order will fall. Come to USA, you will see a girl in a Bikini but no guy would be seen bothering her.
Come to USA, you will see a girl in a Bikini but no guy would be seen bothering her.
except you.Right??:D
@noctornal
There is no mention of Modest clothing in Quran. If there is one then please
point it out with reference to Surat and etc. Muslim of the world try to copy
the clothes which worn at the advent of Islam. Surprisingly, in the
nativity scene Mary too wear hijab and Jilab but I don’t see any Christians
enforcing it on fellow Christians. Why do we have to lack behind in everything
form behavior to respect for women.
@Sophia , kid you disappointed me, are you really in Canada ?? Please show consideration for others if you really want others to listen to you. The way you have yelled will do no good to any one, please be constructive , we all have our own ideologies , argue but with respect with valid points. “Your view sucks” mentality would not change any one.
And please now don’t shout on me, I am just trying to moderate this thread in the absence of Huma.
What do you expect when you put 200 sexually frustrated virgins together with 50-100 girls?
If you aren’t sleeping with someone, you are part of the problem, not part of the solution.
@ MARIAM- where in the quran it is mentioned that how to say your prayers? ,where in the quran method of HAJ is mentioned ? Where in the quran words/scheme/method for AZAN are mentioned???
There are loads of things that are not clearly defined in quran but we got those things from PROPHET peace be upon him, AS ITS IS MENTIONED IN THE QURAN, WHAT PROPHET TELLS YOU IS FROM US SO DO WHAT HE ASKS YOU TO DO AND KEEP AWAY FROM THOSE THINGS THAT (HE THINKS)ARE HARMFUL TO YOU.
BUT I THINK YOU COULD FIND AYATH(VERSE)ON WOMEN DRESS CODE IN surah AL NISA.
There is a saying that DONT TRY TO BE CATHOLIC MORE THAN THE POPE, so same is ture for brown DESI who try to be more GORA than goras.
That is why i gave the example of turkey , they tried to copy west, even they changed their language writing style, before they used to write in arabic script now they write turkish in ROMAN(english)script. They did every thing to be a part of european culture , their women are more westrernized than the western women BUT WHAT THEY HAVE ACHIEVED IS INFRONT OF ANY ONE , EUROPEANS DON’T ACCEPT THEM THEY ARE STILL SEGREGATED, THEY ARE NOT A PART OF UNITED EUROPE YET.
gher ka kutta na gher ka na ghaat ka.
I HAVE NEVER BEEN TO TURKEY THOUGH.
Dear fellows,
SALAM
Following are the links to two very important books written by Dr. Maurice Bucaille(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Bucaille),
I read these book 6 years ago, these book discuss the authenticity of QURAN as he compared various scientific theories and proven facts with QURAN and mentioned that what science discovered later, had been revealed to Prophet MOHAMMAD (Peace be upon him) 1400years ago.
Every one should get hold of these books; following are the links to his twin books,
http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/MB_BQS/default.htm
http://www.submission.org/Q-science.html
@nocturnal, What the hell are you talking about you MUST be gay. People of Turkey are WHITE idiot. Also some of us GAR KAY KUTTAY are not brown either. Trust me you backward cow. You aound so ignorant and racist against your own people. Look how you refer to them you sound like a HOUSE NIGGER. I think you are beyond help. But let me say this Hadith is not correct or reliable. Only the Quran is. The hadith was made after the prophets death. Alot of lies from unreliable sources are in it. It did not come from Mohamad ALS or God so stop quoting it. Stop comparing Turkey to the US or Canada they are totally diffrent countries. PPL like you unfortunately are so JUDGEMENTAL of others. YOU ARE A BROWN NIGGER and its funny. For the record I am not BROWN I am so fair that I have to tell people that I am PAK. So get a clue you MULLAH wannabe. Everyone is not the same and you are saying and attacking me because you probably feel INFERIOR to this “GHAR KE KUTTIE BROWN DESI WOMAN” Sorry nocturnal take your extremist views somewhere else.
I have a crush on sophia.Sophia may i have your Yahoo/MSN/Gtalk ID?sophia is a real pakistani girl and I love pakistanis!!
Sophia..Hadith are not lies…
Quran did not reach us today via fax…it has been carried over by and preserved by the same people who have been preserving hadidth. Its like a chain going back 1400 years.
If you think Hadidth is fake how can you believe in the Quran…I do not understand?
@Poo: I see congratulations are in order for you and nocturnal - LOLLLLLLL!
@Sohpia: Does Islam not teach any tolerance or how to engage in civilized debate? No respect for other peoples’ beliefs or their color or race? I see how you show disrespect for Blacks.
And finally, before telling Poo to learn to speak English, please correct your own spelling and grammar errors!
There is no mention of Modest clothing in Quran. If there is one then please
point it out with reference to Surat and etc. Muslim of the world try to copy
the clothes which worn at the advent of Islam.
If you would have made a search on google than you already would have your answer.Quran doesmention about women dress code.There is men’s drss code as well and usually the term “Satar” is used.Quran gives 3 rules of dress code.
1)best garment
O children of Adam, we have provided you with garments to cover your bodies, as well as for luxury. But the best garment is the garment of righteousness. These are some of GOD’s signs, that they may take heed(7:26)
2)covering up
read Quran 24:31>i cant quote here because its lengthy.(http://www.muslimaccess.com/quraan/arabic/024.asp)
In quran the term “Khimar” has been used for viels instead of “Hijab” because in arabic hijab is taken as something which is not visible or apear. Read arabic text of 24:31 and you will find the term there.
Surah an-Nur verse 31 reads:
And say to the faithful women to lower their gazes, and to guard their private parts, and not to display their beauty except what is apparent of it, and to extend their headcoverings (khimars) to cover their bosoms, and not to display their beauty except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband’s fathers, or their sons, or their husband’s sons, or their brothers, or their brothers’ sons, or their sisters’ sons, or their womenfolk, or what their right hands rule (slaves), or the followers from the men who do not feel sexual desire, or the small children to whom the nakedness of women is not apparent, and not to strike their feet (on the ground) so as to make known what they hide of their adornments. And turn in repentance to God together, O you the faithful, in order that you are successful.
Surah al-Ahzab verse 59 reads:
O Prophet! Say to your wives and your daughters and the women of the faithful to draw their outergarments (jilbabs) close around them; that is better that they will be recognized and not annoyed. And God is ever Forgiving, Gentle.
@nocturnal: The Quran was sent down by the Angels to the H.P. the hadith was not did you ever read the Quran with meaning? You cannot put the hadith alongside it EVER. Hadith is not a book from GOD or authorized by the Prophet of Islam. It means nothing. I can see you have more knowledge of hadith than of the Quran itself. As for @original: why don’t you guys stop stroking eachother? My comment HOUSE NIGGER means back in the old slavery days of the US certain slaves were forced to work in the fields and some slaves were kebt in the house. The other slaves resented these house slaves because they were so close to the white masters. When nocturnal calls people Brown Desi he brings up skin color and puts down PAKS. It seeems he has no tolerance for others and neither do you for supporting his EXTREMIST views. You shouldn’t stereotype people and place everyone in the same box. As for my grammer, It’s 400 am here and I must go to work soon I couldn’t sleep. Whats your excuse? Wow is this the only way you guys can talk to girls?
Bottom line: NO MATTER HOW A PERSON IS DRESSED NO ONE SHOULD EVER BE PHISICALLY ATTAKCKED> PS @original learn some US history before you make comments.
VOVO: Just tell me where it says in the Quran to read hadith? you are brainwashed.
@Sophia: This thread was started to protest against vulgarity and immorality, yet your post reeks with these immoral and vulgar words.
And while you are awake sister .. just google out how much care and verification the Ashaab did in penning down the ’sahih’ ahadith. These ARE authentic and accepted by Islamic scholars all over the world.
hahhaahahah, don’t you know that BROWN SKIN IS CONSIDERED BEST SKIN IN WEST, THOUSANDS OF WOMEN GET THEIR BODY TANNED, THEY SPEND MONEY IN ORDER TO MAKE THEIR SKINS BROWN
Gories are crazy to have brown skin , goray say we like ASIAN girls cuz they have brown skin, goreis try on asian guys cuz they have got brown skin and black hairs.