Unpatriotic MQM activists

Pakistan_by_Aankhia.jpg14th August saw a whole day of intense celebrations in the streets of Karachi, literally everyone flocked to Sea View to be a part of the activities in the 59th Independence Day celebrations. It was undoubtedly a proud moment for every Pakistani to witness the thousands of cars all unified waving the white and green flag in unison, every person, every car and every motorbike was proudly displaying the flag. We saw the country come together during the Oct ’05 earthquake and we see the same patriotic emotions yet again yesterday. I truly believe we have the potential to shed all forms of hatred and become a unified nation believing in our own ability to economically become a stable nation competing with the rest of the world.

In this proud moment I was also a witness to a few “black sheep” within the crowd which left a very bad taste to the entire evening. It was the presence of the ever prominent MQM activist waving his own flag as if in defiance to the existence of Pakistan, amongst every few hundred green flags of Pakistan was self proclaimed “first muhajir then Pakistani” waving the Red, Green & White colors of the MQM flag.

This display of a party flag (or for that matter any party flag on 14th Aug) can be a stab deep into the heart of my beloved nation. My blood has been boiling ever since and feel its time to put these unpatriotic crooks to task. As a Pakistani I stand up and defend my country against the unpatriotic designs of any person or party working against my country. As a democratic nation (though presently a dictator ruled nation) they naturally have the fundamental right to their own political opinion to which I am not arguing just now, but all said, a number of their top brass continue to hold some top positions in the government and each person has sworn to the fact that they are Pakistanis, so why come out today (and on occasions in cricket matches) to defy the very nation which is their birth place (forget where the parents or grandparents were born, lets talk about ‘this’ generation) this nation is also their livelihood and will remain their home forever. Why work to destroy your own home, if you at all object to Pakistan then stay home in protest at least on the 14th Aug..

I am first a Muslim, then a Pakistani, beyond that no race or region has control over to my being a true Pakistani. I protest and would like others who continue to be offended by this unpatriotic display to also lodge their support by commenting in the area below.

I know this issue may erupt in sparks with the potential of a heated discussion but I strongly request all commenters to choose their words very carefully so as not to hurt the opinions of the other side. To ensure a good discussion I will exercise my right to delete any offending comments or sentences even to the extent of deleting all nonsensical or off topic comments. I give you my word that I will not censor any comments but the use of profanity can potentially get blocked by the spam filter installed on Metroblogs to which I have no control. Be decent and civilised and respect the other persons opinion, of all things be peaceful
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35 Comments so far

  1. hafsa (unregistered) on August 15th, 2006 @ 5:42 pm

    its nice to see someone speak out against MQM so boldly. nice job doc saab.

  2. Asad (unregistered) on August 15th, 2006 @ 5:55 pm


  3. danny (unregistered) on August 15th, 2006 @ 5:58 pm

    It’s no secret that some people desire a 5th province, Karachi, to be made. And why not? This whole muhajir problem could be solved by making the area from Karachi to Hyderabad a province. This would finally give the muhajirs, a majority province and they would not fall victim to this racist quota system so ever-present in our country.

    Despite its tiny size, this new province would do quite well economically, being the main financial and commercial hub of the country and being a port.

    Just my 2 cents. — I am not opposed to the idea of a 5th province.

  4. yo yo (unregistered) on August 15th, 2006 @ 6:44 pm

    Teeth..you are going too far with this…first tell me did you actually read ” first muhajir then Pakistani”?
    If yes then I rest my case.
    Otherwise there isn’t any law saying you cannot wave party flags on 14th August. Its part of freedom of speech/expression. If you burn a US flag on US soil you have committed no crime. I think we should be mature enough after 59 years to not feel so insecure.

  5. Teeth Maestro (unregistered) on August 15th, 2006 @ 6:47 pm

    Danny – well if this nation can’t live within Sindh despite having full control of its bureaucracy for years what guarantee and surety is there that they will have a peaceful reign in a 5th province, I just feel its an excuse, like a spoilt child, “I just wanna have it ‘becoz”. In my heart I know we will NOT be any better Karachi will continue to be run with the force of Kalashnikov, absolutely nothing is bound to get better.

    The issue is to work towards unity not away from it.

  6. Teeth Maestro (unregistered) on August 15th, 2006 @ 7:03 pm

    Yo Yo – it has been a major issue for years, if you have not heard of it then you have not lived in Karachi or interacted with this extremely vociferous political organisation there has been a time when this was the ONLY slogan they used when define themselves with to anyone. They proudly identified themselves as Muhajirs first then called themselves Pakistanis.

    Well the issue is not insecurity but the display of support for your nation, a patriotic person once in a while feels proud to be Pakistani, its not only on 14th Aug that pisses me off but also during cricket matches when these supporters show up lets say in Australia and do not wave the Pakistani flag but prefer to wave the MQM flag, what does that have to do with a match between Pak vs Aus? I am not arguing the fundamental right to wave or not wave the flag — but question the moral obligation to being a Pakistani.

  7. verysmart (unregistered) on August 15th, 2006 @ 7:06 pm

    Dr. Sahib
    A very bold and patriotic attempt. I hope everyone would agree with you.

    I think, the entire problem started with the provinces being declared as the sub-governing regions. The best approach could have had been over 30 or 40 of Municiple Regions and Townships all over Pakistan, and our name could have had been The Republic of Union of Pakistan (RUP).

    This would have had solved a few greatest issues;

    a) The Sindhi, Baluchi, Punjabi, Mohajir mentality would have had been curbed and lost its significance as the land mass would not have had been substantial to claim any prominant sub-nationalities.

    b) The democratic power of self governance by the people for the people, could have had taken its root in the Pakistani culture, spurred by the much needed Municiple form of local governments who were directly responsible and answerable to the people who have put them incharge in their own region.

    c) Large projects such as the Water & Power megaplants and Dams would not have rewcieved such furious opposition, since there would not have been any specific QOUM or sub-nationlity that is suppose to gain or loose from it. SO the effect have had been a bit more dispersed and diluted

    d) A race to top could have been established by the compteting regions to provide its people with better utilities and ammunities compared to the other region. The only winners from the race that could have emerged would have been the GHAREEB AWAM themselves.

    e) The head of these regional assemblies and the head of oppoisition in these assemblies could have nominated their candidates for the National Assmebly. In the first step these candidates are to be elected by the regioanl assemblies to represent the region in National Assmebly, and then in the second step both are to be interviewed by a panel of technocrats of multiple fields such as military, socialogy, religions, science, developement etc. Their votes and the points accumulated in the interview could have been summed up and an overall winner could be selected (note: not just elected) to go to the National Assembly.

    f) A similar approach could have had been applied to the election of Senetors.

    SO in this way, we would have achieved a more techonocratic representation. secondly the public have to vote only once, but the process would have been so strong that the representatives of peopel dared not to move away from the confidence that the people hav put into them.

    This process would have been far more cost friendlier (since we have regional assemblies and nazims now working), effective and direct. I see in our country the only service people expect from their represetative is to enhace their standards of living, rather than fighting a battle over article 58(2B) or LFO. Who is interested in that?

    I see the popular vote has to be checked somewhere, because its not a thumbrule that the popular choice can always be the best choice. Specially in countries such as ours where 70% people cant even read or write, let alone decide about the fate of the country (Benazir, when interviewed for her reaction against the corruption scandles published in the papers, said to the journalist, “Write whatever you may want to, our voters dont (cant!) read Newspapers”)

    I see a technocrat government as the only hope since Islam also teaches us that even for selecting the candidate to lead you in Jamaat, “choose the one who is of the highest knowledge and faith amongst you.”

    these are just my humble view, a general Pakistani, who just soo badly want to see some change, some dim light at the other end of the dark tunnel. plz feel free to disagree, some comments will enhance the solution to a better model.

  8. Imran Quadri (unregistered) on August 15th, 2006 @ 7:45 pm

    U are rite verysmart, yoyo and danny.. wake up.. we’ve already lost half the battle before against racism and this kinda talk only leads to chaos in the end. MQM is one corrupt organization. Kher.,, Nearly every one is corrupt here (Benazir, Nawaz, Qazi, Altaf hussain etc etc).. u say the freedom of speech.. well friend.. do go to those countries where freedom of speech is observed and then kindly do note that they DO NOT STAB their own country in the back.. this is totally sick:(..

  9. yo yo (unregistered) on August 15th, 2006 @ 8:10 pm

    Teeth..I agree with you as far as “Moral Obligation” is concerned.

    IMRAN…Whats missing in Pakistan is law and order. BACK STABBERS in free and developed countries are contained via a system of enforcement and justice.

    But the act of waving the flag should not be considered BACK STABBING. YES all corrupt and criminals must face due process of law.

  10. SWA (unregistered) on August 15th, 2006 @ 8:11 pm

    Teeth, one advice: Judge not everyone by the actions of a few.

    Yes, I am a decendent of Mohajirs, No I dont associate with the MQM at all, yes I am proud of Pakistan, and yes I am also proud of my migrant grandfathers who gave so many sacrifices for independence and on their way to this country.

    And since this is our country as well, I will sincerely stand by any organization that opposes the racist quota systems and strives to bring a measure of justice to the Pakistani society. There have been some bad mohajirs that have defined the image of this group, but the good ones have outnumbered the bad ones and have many achievements to be proud of.

  11. YO YO (unregistered) on August 15th, 2006 @ 8:30 pm

    Teeth…I would like to know more from you on MORAL OBLIGATION. Really how far can we take moral obligation and not stifle FREE SPEECH. I remember you posted “Cartoons of Muhammad ( PBUH )” on your website. You had asked that people should decide for themselves. So why the standard is different when a political party is doing something which is not even illegal( waving flags )?

    I felt morally obliged as a Muslim and did not post any cartoons. Actually I thought our government felt morally obliged to block the cartoons. Yes they did a sloppy job and blocked the entire domain. But according to moral obligation guidelines they did the right thing. Keeping in mind Pakistan is a 97% Muslim country.

  12. Dee (unregistered) on August 15th, 2006 @ 8:31 pm

    @SWA….>Couldnt have said better myself.I am proud of my Pakistani origin but how and why on earth i want to get rid of my status as “Mohajir” as everyone else in Pakistan is more than pakistani that is as Punjabi, sindhi, pashton etc.
    Yes, i hate quota based upon provincial affiliation.I have no problem acknowleding the financial difficulties faced by middle and lower class citizens of pakistan.If you want to be fair make quota system on *Financial or disiblilites and minorties* basis.

  13. MB (unregistered) on August 15th, 2006 @ 8:32 pm

    Wow amazing. I knew people will forget Pakistan some time later when the “josh” of being a muhibb-e-watan Pakistani will die. But i didn’t know that it will come too soon and that too in public & openly.

    I hope those who are self illusion with the reality that we love Pakistan very much will open their eyes and hearts and will cry over what has come to our knowledge.

    And also i hope that my dear MQM friends who seemed quite angry over some of my comments in my “Going too far” topic will agree that MQM does need to consider having a strong check in their lines for some black sheep.

  14. mansoor (unregistered) on August 15th, 2006 @ 9:39 pm

    yo yo: your last comment is really insightful! Doc? ur answer?? why the double standard?

    apart from that… being pakistani above punjabi muhajir sindhi pakhtoon aur balochi is what i personally stand for!

  15. Semi-Ano= (unregistered) on August 15th, 2006 @ 10:41 pm

    Fun facts: Altaf shifted to London so he would remain his true blue muhajir roots, as a real muhajir must migrate every decade.

    Rumours are that he will now move on to New York and run for Mayor for Karachi from there.

  16. Tee (unregistered) on August 15th, 2006 @ 11:11 pm

    I dnt get it- why are people taking it to be against Mohajirs? what i understand is the Doc’s post is on MQM and NOT the Mohajirs in general.

    Totally completely agree with the post!

  17. Da-Man (unregistered) on August 16th, 2006 @ 12:40 am

    The post was about MQM waving their parties flag during independence day. No need to go off on a tangent dreaming up psuedo intellectual solutions.

    On Independance day, wave the Pakistan flag. During your party rallies, feel free to wave your party flag. Right on with you teeth.

  18. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on August 16th, 2006 @ 1:13 am

    Fun facts: Altaf shifted to London so he would remain his true blue muhajir roots, as a real muhajir must migrate every decade.

    hahahhaha!I really loved it!
    BTW,is this your orignal-anon?where is Poo?is he banned?

  19. ahmed (unregistered) on August 16th, 2006 @ 1:20 am

    one thing i dont understand what the term mohajir is? Is it a nation? or does it mean people who migrated from india. my father migrated from india but i was born in karachi, pakistan what does that make me a Pakistani or a Mohajir???

  20. UnholySaint (unregistered) on August 16th, 2006 @ 1:33 am

    very interesting observation. And Baba Danny, whats up with you man.. I am trying to make ppl realize that independence of Pakistan, India, Nepal and Bangladesh wasnt a good idea to begin with and you are trying to divide further whatever there is left.

    To those who think of themselves as mohajirs/pathans/sindhi/baluch: Look, you can think of yourself whatever you want, but the outside world sees you as the “brown man”. If you cannot unite, try to forget about your existence.

  21. AwryDude (unregistered) on August 16th, 2006 @ 1:39 am

    In my neighbourhood,that is near the ambala bakery I found them running a a very near to political compaign last year on 14th Aug as local bodies elections were soon to be held then.
    People should stop using pretext of celebrating my dear country to go forward with their political motives.
    And with a campaign I really mean singing ‘Altafi’;very very altafi songs.

  22. danny (unregistered) on August 16th, 2006 @ 2:10 am

    @Unholysaint: Guess I don’t post often enough for people to know my views but I actually completely agree with your view (althought it might be for different reasons). In fact I am pleasantly surprised to see someone voice that opinion openly — Whenever I try to bring up the topic with friends and acquaintances it always turns into a war with me on one side and everyone else beating me down and accusing me of being a traitor Indian, or something of that sort.

    This could become a long discussion so I’ll come back to the topic (although I’m curious to know your viewpoints and how you arrived at them perhaps we can chat offline) — the point I was trying to make is that mohajirs want a place they can call their own (since they’re no longer in India and have a ‘gaon’ they can go back to, unlike most other non-mohajirs). While I acknowledge the idea of a 5th province is far fetched and will not happen in my lifetime, creating a 5th province would hopefully give mohajirs a place they can call their ‘own’, and live without having to worry about racist quotas and domiciles and the like.

  23. Mariam (unregistered) on August 16th, 2006 @ 3:30 am

    Ahmed you asked

    one thing i dont understand what the term mohajir is?

    In Pakistan, migrants from India are called Mohajirs by other ethnicities. I never liked this term myself and got into many fights when someone called me this.

  24. Faisal Siddiqui (unregistered) on August 16th, 2006 @ 4:32 am

    In early 90s, when i was a little boy, i made a kite out of my carom board and hung it on one of the electric poles in gulshan iqbal. i was an avid supporter of MQM. But i was just a boy and naive.
    Now i dont belong to any party. There is no doubt about the stuff MQM has done in Karachi but frankly speaking, the rest of the political parties are no different. So to hell with all of them. When i saw the picture of that bastard, altaf, showing his red passport, i was like what the hell. that son of a bitch. traitor sala.

    displaying a flag other than Pakistan on our independence day is very unpatriotic and pathetic.

    these people that u saw must be part of our jahil awam.

    I think education plays a large part with your political association. I am wondering how can a well educated sincere pakistani choose a political party. we all know they are crooked.

    Who should i support?

  25. verysmart (unregistered) on August 16th, 2006 @ 6:51 am

    I remember that ugly picture aswell, where he had his red passport in one hand and making a victory sign from the other.

    I think its a slap on the face for millions who lost their equity, social positions, cultural heritage and even loved ones in India and migrated to their promised lands.

    I think the milions who strived to drive english out of their lands, are to be defeated of their entire life’s struggle, when the saw that their acclaimed leader made a victorious sign holding his british passport.

    My family migrated from Utter Perdesh, where my grandfather used to work for the Indian Development commission, and they used to be landlords owning an entire village to themselves. He left for Pakistan on 11th of august 1947, only taking his wife, my father and trunks of his prized book collection.

    I still remember when he first saw that picture, his face expression was that of a defeated man.

  26. UnholySaint (unregistered) on August 16th, 2006 @ 7:13 am

    @ Danny. Glad you are still alive. lol. I know what you mean. If I understand you correctly here is what you are saying, if we cant assimilate mojahir in the society, then lets isolate them. I say why? I isolate anybody? Key is getting rid of this social tags of Pathan,Sindhi so on.

    Again, what do I know if I am against nationalism as well! lol.

  27. SK (unregistered) on August 16th, 2006 @ 8:46 am

    I totally agree with Doc. I have fallen victim to one of the so-called rights movement of MQM back in 1995 when their attrocities were at their peak. Despite the fact that my own cousins support MQM I am strongly against this so-called nationalist Indian sponsored party.

  28. anon_khi (unregistered) on August 16th, 2006 @ 10:03 am

    Hey did any of you see the speech Mr Altaf Clown gave from London to Punjab. He kept screaming Salam…salam…SALAM. My family was laughing hysterically at him.

    Who is inspired by this clown? Why would any sane Pakistani ever listen him or pay for his abode in London. Why does he have this power over the uneducated? I am sure the educated class knows better. Is it just his ‘ghunda-ghardi’?

  29. K.A. (unregistered) on August 16th, 2006 @ 10:42 am

    Its Pakistan’s Independence Day = Pakistan Flag – Period.

    p.s. did anyone see the news item on Aug 14 about Dera Bugti in Balochistan. First time they are celebrating independence day as they had to wave black flags on Aug 14 (as per them against their wish) under orders from the Bugtis.

  30. Adnan (unregistered) on August 16th, 2006 @ 2:49 pm

    my dear MQM friends who seemed quite angr

    MB,nobody is angree but you.We were actually educating you by telling facts that such elements existed in other parties as well.Even the doctor came up with “Mohajir first” theory.Yes there were elements in MQM who had such theory like there were in other parties like Bugti’s army,JSQM and few others.The other issue was raised about MQM’s association with India.might be,I personally don’t know but again there were/are parties who always needed India’s “Asherward” to stay in _power_.

    1971 War is the biggest terrorism in Pakistan history and there was no Altaf in it.How many of you actually condemn the politicians and army culprit of that time.

  31. Mariam (unregistered) on August 17th, 2006 @ 11:58 am

    Good point Adnan!

    If our Army has some self esteem they should’ve kept their paws off the govt. and let the people decide what is better for them.

  32. irfan syed (unregistered) on August 31st, 2006 @ 7:26 pm

    i am extremely sorry to read the comments about mohajirs. many people forget that our prophet was him self a mohajir. furthermore the word mohajir is also mensioned in the quran . there is also a hadis of the prophet ” A MOHAJIR IS A PERSON WHO GOES AWAY FROM BAD THINGS TOWARDS THINGS WHICH ARE GOOD ” it is reported in sahibokhari as well as adudawood which are promenent hadis books. Dr. Awab Alvi has a negative view about the mohajirs

  33. Teeth Maestro (unregistered) on September 1st, 2006 @ 12:54 am

    @Irfan, I think you have your facts a little messed up, here we are talking about the MQM, Muhajir Qaumi Movement or now recently Mutehda Quami Movement. There has been NO reference to the Muhajirs of Madinah at all. I have never expressed a negative comment on those muhajirs.

    But if by accident you refer to the MQM, the party of hoodwinking dacoits who run the country with the barrel of a gun, well yes, I have some very negative opinions about them not of my choosing but of entirely their creation as they have literally destroyed my country from inside out, if you want to be humored by all my thoughts on this issue do drop by on my blog where many a post await your reaction, positive or negative, I would love to hear them as I truly believe in an open debate.

  34. handsome (unregistered) on September 1st, 2006 @ 12:54 am

    bughti ki tarah altaf kuttay k bhi mardo

  35. BLACK (unregistered) on September 5th, 2006 @ 3:18 am

    tum ney Ghandhi ko keun mara…..? bolo bolo bolo.

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