For the last two days, I’ve been fighting with myself, thinking where does this post belong. I’ve finally decided to put it up here.

Two days ago, while driving back home, a car crossed in front of me. It was an Alto, filled with four boys and two girls. A boy was driving, and a girl was sitting in front, while three boys and a girl were sitting in the back. Pretty normal till now… right?

Till i noticed that the girl was sitting facing the boy, his arm around her shoulder, hers around his. From the position, it appear she was sitting on his lap rather than the seat. Still.. pretty okay, i’ve seen lots of people in that position…

And then they started making out!! Right there… on the main road.. in broad daylight.. without even the benefit of tinted windows! I couldnt see the guys face properly… but the girl’s face was very clear. She wasnt more than 13 years of age.. (i have a 13 year old cousin who looks older than her!).

On a seperate note… atleast she looked like she was enjoying it :p start the blame game people~!

71 Comments so far

  1. mansoor (unregistered) on August 18th, 2006 @ 6:47 pm

    manny: social class? both upper (very rich) to lower (maids n all). Its prevalent all over the society.

  2. Mansoor 'Manny' Siddiqui (unregistered) on August 18th, 2006 @ 8:16 pm

    ic, hhuummhh, interesting.

    To all unmarried guys/girls:
    Are you willing to accept the ground reality that your future life partner might have had intimate relationship with other people in the past?Its quite ironic, isn’t it?

  3. mansoor (unregistered) on August 18th, 2006 @ 8:20 pm

    manny: im not sure how i’d feel after i get married… but lately, i’ve tried a new approach and its going very well. Whatever happened in the past remains in the past.. as long the other person would be loyal to me after ‘we’ are together… i wouldnt have any problem….

    like i said.. till now, its goin quite well.

  4. Moiz Kazmi (unregistered) on August 18th, 2006 @ 10:54 pm

    thts the juicy part of life dude ! let em njoy !!

    they must be some bunch of westernized kids !! :D :D

  5. Mansoor 'Manny' Siddiqui (unregistered) on August 18th, 2006 @ 11:40 pm


    I understand what you are saying but this raises other questions.

    If we were to follow what you just said (Whatever happened in the past remains in the past), would it imply that people will be willing to marry a widow/divorced person? I don’t think so! We all know how difficult it is for widow/divorced to get marry again; even secular and open minded like you and me would hesitate to marry a widow/divorced. Am I right?

    In my point of view, a widow/divorced person is more respectable b/c they had a legal life partner in their life, in contrast to a non-married person who had illegal partners.

    Honestly speaking, if I had a choice in the past b/w a non-married fucked up slut and a widow/divorced woman, I would marry the widow!

    By the way, I am glad your relationship is working out fine. Good luck.

  6. Mariam (unregistered) on August 19th, 2006 @ 5:05 am

    Blame goes to both parties alike whether male or female. I guess this is a time we need to teach about sex education to young Pakistanis as there are far more consequences related to sex related diseases than moral related.

  7. Darthvader (unregistered) on August 19th, 2006 @ 5:38 am

    PPH and OA , nice to hear from you.
    busy lives huh.

  8. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on August 19th, 2006 @ 10:57 am

    Have you ever thought about rendering your services to Jang? I guess they could use one ;).

    mariam my dearest and only friend on earth,I am not Jang lover.I read it because I dont have any choice.BTW read again I mentioned OutlookIndia.The story has nothing to with particular paper.

    I guess this is a time we need to teach about sex education to young Pakistanis as there are far more consequences related to sex related diseases than moral related.

    No I think its time to getrid of those so called p-head liberals who are ready to copy west all the time without knowing any shitty reality of it.I wonder none of sex education preacher actually cameup with things tht should be taught to infants.

    @Mansoor:Seems you know everything about a Woman that you are saying that Women do sex for fun?How many women have you actually experienced in your life?I am not talking about prostitutes but women who reside among us and are treated as “satti savitri”.

    Nancy no need to abuse here my friend.majority of people are already aware of that particular spot.

  9. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on August 19th, 2006 @ 11:01 am

    May be, May be not. Altaf bhai knows better.

    abay MB rehanay day yar.You seriously lack history details.

  10. Cofused Desi (unregistered) on August 19th, 2006 @ 11:49 am

    How easy it is to copy Bad part of West and how difficult it is to copy the good part of them?

    Those willing to let go of past of their partner would they be willing to accept ex sex workers in their lives? atleat this business would be lessen to a bit after that.

  11. mansoor (unregistered) on August 20th, 2006 @ 12:49 am

    adnan: i fail to see how sex workers fit in with divorced/widowed women? Do you refer to them in the same context?

    manny: It depends on ur criteria for a life partner. Many may not like my views, or consider them ‘anti islamic’ or what not.. but they stand. My criteria for a life partner is someone who is comfortable living with me, who loyal to me, who can talk (and i mean really talk…) with me, and with whom, i can do the same things as well. I fail to see how ‘virginity’ guarantees that?!

    I, for one, do not carry double standards of having one set of rules for girl friends and another for life partner. They’re the same as for both as i’ve stated above.

  12. Dee (unregistered) on August 20th, 2006 @ 2:34 am

    Okay here is something to think about.I found this comment on Lahore Met blogs.It is written by ATAN in response to the topic of *Vulgur dances banned*. I wonder what do you guys think?

    “Raza, the question is despite no enforcement of the ‘benchmark’ in Canada or any other Western countries, you as well as millions of other Pakistanis live there. I assume that vulgarity in Canada and in other Western countries does not compromise you in any way. If it did you would not elect to live in Canada and you point out that good Muslims seal themselves from amoral behaviour.

    Therefore why the need for enforcement in Pakistan? Is it because you feel that some Muslims will fall short in Pakistan, if so why will they not fall short in Canada.

    You live in a secular society, as well as millions of other Muslim. It follows therefore that secularism does not compromise Muslims – If it does why so many ( including yourself ) elect to live in the West and many more would ‘elect’ to move to the West, by boat, by plane, by truck and even walk there if they could – Only tight immigration control frustrates them when all are cognizant of the loose morals found in the West.

    The contradiction – electing to live in the secular West whilst in Pakistan jumping up and down on the slightest freedom is hypocracy!

    If indeed the lack of societal benchmark was so corrosive on a Muslim then it would be Haram to live in the West.There is dichotomy here – living in the West and crying about ‘provocative dancing’ in Lahore.

    If these acts are so unhealthy on Muslims in Lahore then why are they any less unhealthy in Canada where you will find similar acts and then some more.

    And yes I am a Pakistan Muslim living in the ‘West!!! ”

    Posted by: Atan at August 18, 2006 05:49 AM

  13. wasiq (unregistered) on August 20th, 2006 @ 4:04 am

    chairlift…at full speed….tennis anyone..?

  14. Mariam (unregistered) on August 20th, 2006 @ 4:47 am

    Shout out to Atan.

    BTW, there is a great article by Irfan Hussain in Dawn named Wishing away reality. It tells us about reasons behind British Pakistanis extremism.

  15. Atan (unregistered) on August 20th, 2006 @ 7:44 am

    Mariam, the reason for the extremism amongst British Pakistanis is simple …. Its just a extension of the extremism in Pakistan. The ‘Mother Country’ Pakistan has exported the infection to the ‘Host country’ UK.

    Many first generation Pakistanis, most belonging a a very conservative background worried about their kids futures in UK. In 1980s mosques sprung up like weeds in every Pakistani neighbourhood and ignorant half literate Mullahs were imported from Pakistan to run these Mosques. The British government bearing in mind race relations freely allowed visas to these Mullahs.

    The Brits. are now realising a entire generation has been radicalised. Most families with carefree abandon sent their kids to these Mosques after school not knowing what they were being taught.

    In fact Talibanization by the backdoor was allowed. Now only is the government become aware. Fact though is that this phenomenon has only afflicted ( with some exceptions ) the Pakistan ex-pat community – Not surprising in the sense that community keeps in regular contact with ‘back home’ and is influenced.

    Funny thing is all other Muslims in UK will describe themselves as ‘Iranian, Arab,Turkish, Turkish Cypriot etc but Pakistan go around with the description ‘Muslim’ .. period.

    All others describe their identity in nationalistic terms, Pakistanis describe it in religious terms.

    Clearly if you identify yourself as ‘Muslim’ without any let or leave to nationalism then you start crying about Palestine, Lebanon, Bosnia, Chechnya and the next thing you do is grab a bomb and ………… 72 virgins.

  16. Mariam (unregistered) on August 20th, 2006 @ 8:03 am


    You are right. The thing which worries me most sometimes these groups are growing in North America too, particularly in Canada. I don’t have any problem with religion as long as no one imposes it on me. My point is you come to the West for better opportunities so better take advantage of it otherwise what’s the point coming here. Another thing I noticed so many Muslims are on some kind of social welfare funded by tax payer’s money. They have a problem with interest banking but heck no problem with handouts from that same system. I call it hypocrisy.

    All others describe their identity in nationalistic terms, Pakistanis describe it in religious terms.

    This is gift from Gen. Zia.

    And what this is all about Hijab. It’s not even mandatory in Islam but its cultural thing. But hey this is the only way Pakistanis could be come as close to be an Arab as possible.

    Nice to hear some rational voice.

  17. Atan (unregistered) on August 20th, 2006 @ 8:50 am

    On a different note have people noticed how often the statement ‘the Arab and the Muslim world’ ………. The ethnicity of the former supersedes the Muslim identity.

    There is something not right about this, after all Arabs are not all Muslims just like not all Pakistanis are not all Muslims.This statement would only make sense if 100% of Arabs were Muslim therefore the term Arab would be implicitly taken as Muslim, but thats not the case.

    I say this because many British Pakistanis show a marked proclivity for Arabs, almost a unhealthy ‘licking’ even if that is be wee bit harsh.

    Sorry for detracting from the discussion in hand.

  18. Atan (unregistered) on August 20th, 2006 @ 8:57 am

    Thank you Mariam, it is a privilege to read your well thought comment.

    I think I should point out that I have never been to Karachi, indeed don’t have any connections direct or indirect with the largest city in Pakistan.When I visit Pakistan I land In Islamabad, see some family there, head off to Muzzafarabad, AJK and then dash down the mountains to Islamabad ‘the beautiful’. Then its reach for the skies from Chaklala Airport. End of Pakistan vacation.

    Does this disqualify me from ‘Karachi blog’?

  19. mansoor (unregistered) on August 20th, 2006 @ 1:29 pm

    atan: well said! Your argument follows the reasoning of its upto one’s own self, and much less the societal pressures on how they shape themselves.

    And no.. this does not disqualify you… any voice of reason is welcome on KMB :)

  20. Adnan (unregistered) on August 21st, 2006 @ 11:18 am

    i fail to see how sex workers fit in with divorced/widowed women?

    How a woman is converted to a Sex worker?Do you know that?I dont think i shoudn’t respect a prostitute because she IS a prostitute.I dont know about you that whether you meet any such woman or not but yes I did and story is very horrible.That woman is actually mother of my friend.

    Yes my family woudnt accept any such woman as Bahu its true and yes its double standard of our society but yes i am a bit helpless on this issue.

  21. mansoor (unregistered) on August 21st, 2006 @ 11:52 am

    i am a bit helpless on this issue.

    you keep talking about change… yet when it comes to your ownself… change is a faraway concept!

    im not asking you to go out and marry a sex worker, however, what i am advocating is treating them like humans as well.

    you say Society doesnt accept? Arent “WE” society? Isnt that akin to saying you dont accept either? Come on man! they’re just as human as you and i.

    How a woman is converted to a Sex worker?

    For whatever reasons, the main is to stay alive. In a generation, where women are forced *not* to study and be only housewives, they have nothing to fall back on when their ‘man’ dies/disapears.

    It is an evil in our society, but we are the ones condoning it.

    by the way… i know quite a few divoced women who were married again, and are happy in their lives. Same goes with a widowed woman, an uncle of mine married after the death of his first wife. They’re both happily married (mashallah) and living life contentedly.

    Since we are on the topic, let me describe the last situation further…
    The wife of my uncle was a cancer victim, and even though held out for quite some time, she eventually succummed to the disease. She was well loved within the family, and for most of us, it was inconceivable someone would come and take her place. Yet, my uncle decided to marry again, against the wishes of the family, even to the point of being shunned. Now, 2 years after marriage, his new wife has been accepted into our family, breaking away the ‘notions’.

    I, for one, am very proud of him and of my family for showing the courage of going against the societal norms.

    Adnan… WE are society… and if there’s something going wrong.. its upto US to change it, not wait idly by till some ‘knight in shining armor’ comes and saves the day.

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