making….
For the last two days, I’ve been fighting with myself, thinking where does this post belong. I’ve finally decided to put it up here.
Two days ago, while driving back home, a car crossed in front of me. It was an Alto, filled with four boys and two girls. A boy was driving, and a girl was sitting in front, while three boys and a girl were sitting in the back. Pretty normal till now… right?
Till i noticed that the girl was sitting facing the boy, his arm around her shoulder, hers around his. From the position, it appear she was sitting on his lap rather than the seat. Still.. pretty okay, i’ve seen lots of people in that position…
And then they started making out!! Right there… on the main road.. in broad daylight.. without even the benefit of tinted windows! I couldnt see the guys face properly… but the girl’s face was very clear. She wasnt more than 13 years of age.. (i have a 13 year old cousin who looks older than her!).
On a seperate note… atleast she looked like she was enjoying it :p start the blame game people~!
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Are there laws about PDA in Pakistan?? If not then WTF do you care?
hmm.. well. ahem.
I am not sure if we have a legislation regarding the age limit for sexual concent. please some student of law correct me at this.
If we dont have a law against it, and if she has her concent, how can we interfere?
However, to sound politically correct;
a) Hey you pervert, stop molasting the kid
b) People, get a room for GOD’s sake
c) Lahoolwilaqooat
hahahahaa… i have no words… all smiles ;)
All i can say is lucky guy! ;)
actually, the guy couldnt have been more than 14 himself.. so they were both minor..
secondly, vs.. i go with option B
GET A ROOM!!!! :p
day dreaming Mansoor?..guess u have too much time at ur hands after all.
yo yo: lol! wish i was jee! :p
I am not sure if we have laws on public display of affection per se. But I’m sure there are other laws related to indecency or lewd acts that can be applied here.
Age of consent is an issue in countries where extra-marital sex is not a crime. In Pakistan extra-marital sex comes under zina related laws. Laws on age of consent, consenting adults, etc become irrelevant. But I wonder if there is a minimum age for marriage.
As for why this was happening, as sad as it is, I am not surprised. Declining moral values, decadant culture, ignorance, inferiority complex, TV, cable, satellite, MTV, movies, morally bankrupt parents, increased social acceptance of such behaviour, irrelevant and incompetent religious leadership - take your pick. When all of these things come together, do you expect anything different?
The fact is that our society (just like most other countries) is becoming increasingly morally polarized. If you see more girls wearing hijabs compared to 15 years ago, be prepared to see such behaviour more often.
Where exactly was this? (what side of the ‘bridge’?)
oh i love you so, i guess i guess i guess you know oh i love you s…honey im pregnant..motherfuck.. plop
aiwain naaa cjhooot bolaya kur
Let us all donate a digi cam to Mansoor ;)
heheh.. i have an idea..
our sufayed Wardi walay traffic police could have him for being underage and driving.
Later they could have charge him with kidnap, rape and a possible attempt of murder :) hahahaha
SIR YEH MASHKOOK AADMI LAG RAH THA..
see this why our police rulesss, they nip crime in the bud ;)
Profanity:LOL! on a serious note,its a bitter fact.
@TM:seems you are very much willing to read part II of “A Spoil” post :>
you sure they were kissin and not practising mouth to mouth??
so , we going to let this happen ,cause we cant interfeare ,right . afterall , its a free society.
Its a free society, but it dosnt mean you can have sex on the road !
Also dont foreget, like it or not, we live in an almost-talibanized city, i guess its not appropriate.
Kashif.. wht is not right.. Talibanized city or smoooching.. :)
i dont mind the later
Both
it’s ” start the blame game people ” part of this post that i don’t get. rest is just a page out of the diary of perverted voyeur. those kids were minding their own business .whatever that is . you mind your’s.people in their cars doing whatever is not exactly worthy of any discussion much less a post on KMB , unless, one can see that car is driven by mullahs or taliban types and you sense that they are up to some no-good ,in which case i say inform the police .
i guess it’s the pressure of trying to come up with “something” to post on KMB that spawned this profoundly unintelligent piece of writing(for lack of a better phrase).
DarthVader webster dictionary describes voyeur as : a prying observer who is usually seeking the sordid or the scandalous.
I dont see the author of this post as prying hes just reporting what he saw in broad daylight in a public place. An act of passion by underage kids no less on a public street in a car. The kids would have been minding their own business if they were doing that behind closed doors, they were in a public place and thus the post. The topic is a sensitive issue in Pakistan and the author did not do anything wrong by writting about it.
“Mind your own and let them do what they want” would suddenly change I bet if the gal was one’s daughter or sister.
Hahaha you hypocrite society.
Well this has increased very recently. I have often seen cars parked roadside with some intimate activity going on. The most surprising such observation was at a store on B’abad. I was with my family on the top floor where there were hardly any other customers. There was a cutish sales girl in her late 20s. There were 3 salesmen one was attending my family. Since it takes them ages to do their shopping I sat down in one place. Soon the girl went into a store type room in a corner followed by one of the men and the door closed. 15 mins later the guy came out and closed the door behind him. 5 min later the other guy went in and came out after approx same time , and as he was coming out I saw the sales girl standing inside buttoning her ‘uniform’ and without her dupatta. You can guess the rest……..
Nancy I call it fudalism rather hypocricy.Thats how fudals work here.As I always say that the liberals who preach of *modern* society are not less pathetic than radical religious extreemist.
So much for our “Enlighted Moderation”. My heavy & Big Foot !
1. No Big Deal:
They were just spoiled kids doing their “normal” business. Why it’s bothering you Mansoor. It’s just that you saw only one, out of hundred events taking place in Clifton & Defense.
2. Class Difference:
Police can catch any gareeb for any thing but you can go on raping a woman if you are a TOP GUN.
3. Too Late:
Yeah, too late dear. People living in those area particularly, be they are Officers, Our “muqadus” ( my foot again, this time more heavily ) Defenders, Judges, Police Officials, Politicians, Businessmen ( un bicharon ka toh special huq bunta hai, kionki wo awaam ko chuusney mai kafi mehnat kertay hain), they all are doing every kind of illegal “dhundaa’s”. Kia hua agar un bicharay excited,young,nasumujh, spoiled bachoun ne kuch aisa kia. It’s still wrong I know.
4. Summary:
Try finding bigger events. Like the one in which Mr, Adil Sheikh (correct me if the name is wrong) attacked an Army Major. They Army Major could not even lodge an FIR because of the MQM factor. He was so bold enough to threaten to kill the family of that Major. If anyone knows more about the issue, enlighten us. So the corrections need to be made in parents. Bachay correct wo khud kerdaignay. What you expect the kid of a big fish to be like when his dad has 5 flats and one or two bungalows & he is into prostitutes.
Still it’s too bad we are heading towards disaster. Many up there and others talk about we are getting westernized bla bla. I dont agree. The westerners have also learned to be humans. What about that part. We are only accepting their bad side. We haven’t actually taken any positive side from them, which was supposed to be the case
what happened to the law where couples were asked to show their nikahnamas even while ‘appearing’ to be on a date? or does that only apply to gareeb mukhlis awam enjoying a stroll at sea view or some public park? or was it just the tullas trying to make some pocket money? or am i talking about the stone age?
murtaza: tullas trying to make some pocket money would be my bet :D
Nancy: Three cheers to an hypocritical society!!!
K.A. I wonder if you can point me towards this store :D three stories you say…. that does point to only one.. i think i’ll go check ‘er out :D thanks for the tip!
MB: why is it bothering me? who says its bothering me? :D
also, i have no idea about the Adil Sheikh sorry.. sorry.
erm. I think this thing is part of the Hudood Ordinance: the one about extra-marital affairs not being legally acceptable. It is part of zina. and hence the part about age: i think is again part of the Hudood Ordinance. i dont know if its covered there but Islamically a girl is “of age” once she hits puberty. of course islam forbids fornication.
im not sure about the contents about the Ordinance but i do agree about the social barring. Although the “area barring” is a surprise.
where is that gorgeous quote by some amazing commenter on KMB: “wake up and smell the fornication”. to say people around you arent engaged in all this would only say you’re oblivious.
to say its socially acceptable: ive noticed its more about personal space. their business or not. its your reaction that determines the social norm. i guess thats where the “clifton defence” part came in: quite biased id say. want me to quote instances of all this on the non-clifton/defence side?
there are some who’ve accepted it all. there are some who are shocked and revulsed. there are those who decide something must be done about it.
the hudood ordinance does demand a nikahnama be presented if a couple is seen. as for this public display: whatever happened to see no evil?
doesnt Islam say dekhne wala bhi gunahgar hai? :P
im not saying mansoor has committed a crime or sin. but. i do thing its wrong for us to say “clifton defence mein ho raha hai”. cruel intentions had one amazing quote: “everybody’s doing it. its just that nobody’s talking about it. its like a secret society”
i remember someone once advising: “if you cant avoid rape, enjoy it” . it takes two to do what mansoor witnessed. they’re not complaining. so why should we?
oh yes. i do agree about the part that if someone in my family did this, id say “go get married. do it legitemately”
yes feel free to bombard and point fingers.
so who’s asking the next question: protection?!
@MURTAZA: me too, i bet they were for the money
@MANSOOR : saain us ne aap ko bother kia hai toh hee aap ne post ki hai na topic.
Well i think Musharaf ruled out that law about nikkah nama.
As far as this is all concerned, we cant really do anything about it. Its actually sad to know kids such age are doing this and they dont even have any guilt about it, yea i guess we have media to blame but that doesnt change anything.
We sure are getting westernised, sooner or later we’ll have to have some laws about this.. lets hope its nothing extreme =)
@MB:I also didnt hear any such story about Adil Shaikh but yes I did this in papers.
MB:so was it done by Altaf?
Mansoor:your army hmm?? *grin*.I hope you wouldn’t comeup with statment that ISI has nothing to do with Army =)
MB:my Indians’ humbleness preacher,here is a sizzling story for you.
MB: i posted it cuz i thought it would be a good disucssion. i wanted to know what views of different people were on this issue… :D is all :)
adnan: lolz!!
Mb, i tried to read your sizzling story ( i can read a bit of Urdu) and felt like laughing. Only “Jung” can write this kind of fiction ( Nawa-e-waqt also does the same, but i believe they both are from the same media group). Ok, here is the sad story (http://www.dawn.com/weekly/cowas/20060709.htm) I read the other day in “Dawn” and really felt bad for a 80 year old, twice decorated Pakistani brigadier who was humiliated by his own country’s secrete service.
MB, why worry about what India is going to do when your own security agency is doing this kind of damage to Pakistan’s honour. so sad.
Hi Jyoti!
Welcome here,I foud you first on Adil’s blog.I lost the post where you made the post.
Mb, i tried to read your sizzling story
It’s not MB its ME who linked that story up and FYI,that article appeared in Indian magazine which jang referred.Jang itself didnt make any effort to write that up.
and MB is not worried about India,Infact hes big fan of Indians nd Amitabh Bachan.Kindly go thru old posts:)
Jyoti,
I do agree that story has no merit. Anyway it appeared in Jang which never considered as a reputable news source.
Adnan,
It only said Indian Magazine so how come they never gave a newspapers full name. Even our KMB (they always refer source) authors have more ethics than Jang. I’m not refuting that there are few groups in India who wants to do this but come on we have people like it in Pakistan too.
Mariam ask Huma,she’s part of the Jang network and yes i never said we dont have such people here.
news without source is tabloid.. which jang isnt very much above….
According to this ,it seems it was outlookIndia magazine.I actually searched “Can we make Pakistan pay”.Unfortunately i didn’t get the exact reference or I am not sure whether outlook publishes an e-copy of its magazine.
Yes i agree that they shud have given the name of magazine rather just copying the story.I dont expect such stupidity from Jang.
Mansoor its Ideas on main B’abad opp Bank AlFalah. Go check out the bedding area. If you have any luck beyond the observer s position let me know. ;)
Idea’s :p ohkayyyyyy!
if i do get any luck.. i’ll let u know ;)
Somethings tellings me that Mansoor is about to be very very lucky :) heheheheeh
Adnan,
Have you ever thought about rendering your services to Jang? I guess they could use one ;).
K.A. You stupid fucking jerk. why the hell are you mentioning the store name here . Your whole story is cheap and you have no evidence. Stop watching porn and come out of fantasies.
nancy: language jee!
Mansoor, what are you talking about. I guess Nancy was right. How on earth you could come and post some thing ridiculous like that w/o any evidence. First of all , I do not believe that KA story was true and second if it were true then I pity that gal. No gal especially in Pakistan would do that just for fun. I cant imagine the misery of that gal. Either she needs that job badly or she has been black mailed.
The moderator of the blog should take care of such comments very seriously. Dr Sahib, I guess you are a reasonable man, please remove such comments asap. And all the gals mod should go to hell if they cant take care of a dignity of a fellow gal.
@Kashif:
“like it or not, we live in an almost-talibanized city, i guess its not appropriate.”
Do you live 500 kilometers outside Karachi, Kashif? Go roam around the progressive areas of this city & see the latest Talibanic trend which requires you to wear nothing at all. Dear brother we live in a mix plate masala society. Where you can live without anything & where you cannot dare live outside the “ninja” boori. The only thing that should be visible is eyes. That’s the limit of the hypocritical society we live in. Open eyes son.
@Murtaza:
” what happened to the law where couples ………… gareeb mukhlis awam enjoying a stroll at sea view or some public park? “
Murtaza kia hogaya hai jigger. Ab toh aik new law aana chaiye ki Law in Pak. Is officially meant to be for poor. Jo cheez practice ho rahi hai usko law bananay mai koi problem nahi hogi, I believe. And hey, tulla ke pass or bhi koi tareeka hota hai kia?
@UMER ZAMAN: “We sure are getting westernized “
Are you kidding umer. Have we started observing/practicing rule of law, justice, Islamic falahi mumlikat ke asuul or qawaneen, traffic signal, respect for pedestrians, merit & all that ?. It would be better had you say we are sure getting the evils of west.
@ADNAN Siddiqi: “@MB:I also didnt hear any such story about Adil Shaikh but yes I did this in papers.”
No dear it’s a different story.
“MB:so was it done by Altaf?”
May be, May be not. Altaf bhai knows better. But for sure they used the terror dunda, their political wing uses. Else who can imagine a Major being beaten, going for an FIR & doing a muk-mukka later, that too with Mushy bhai being the earthly GOD in Pakistan, after he was threaten with life,
@JYOTI: Please awaken dear when you reply. Adnan’s reply is enough.
@ADNAN: ” Infact hes big fan of Indians nd Amitabh Bachan.Kindly go thru old posts:) “
I only like many things about India dear. That’s only it. In fact that post also says there is nothing to be impressed about India.
@ PPH
“No gal especially in Pakistan would do that just for fun “
Alas it’s not 1947 but 2006. I am having serious doubts over your source of information. A good percentage of guls do that for fun my dear. I have many friends from our so-called-modern area of city & they often come up with such stories. A greater percentage for enjoyment and money. A good percentage for money/social reasons only which is prostitution. And a good percentage is raped. That’s the 2006 of Khi brother.
MB , you seriously lack some thing. I believe very few of prostitution is done for enjoyment :-( . You dont under stand gals , have you ever been with any prostitute ?? Most of them are done for money or in some cases “easy” money. Making with some beloved in not prostitution I believe so please dont teach me its 2006 . I know its 2006 but your ideologies are of 19th century. You better stop watching Fox news and BBC.
PPH is right to some extent.
About the particular girl mentioned above is surely exploited by employers and fellow workers. If she is a prostitute she wouldn’t be working as a salesgirl. I’ve known quiet few cases where retards take advantage of working girls.
No gal especially in Pakistan would do that just for fun ? oh come on! all fingers are *not* equal! my friends have dated girls who would sleep with you at the drop of a hat just for the fun of it. some do it for money.. some for booze.. and some still for mobile cards!
there are girls who are exploited, and who are made to go through hell.. but then, being exploited is their weakness.
Recently, a friend, working for a big TV channel here, got an offer by a ‘buddha producer’ for her own show, if she would accompany him for dinner and ‘dessert’. She exercised her option and walked out on him!
Taali eik haath say nahi bajte, for whom being succesful is more important than ‘not having sexual relations’, there will always be people who will exploit them.
In another incident, this female became VP of a well known software house, even through she had no qualifications, just because she used to sleep with the boss and give him ‘updates’ after it.
So pph, please dont preach ‘larkiyan aisa nahi karte’ wale routine. As far as the sexual drive is concerned…. its been my personal observation, that girls are not behind guys on any level.
Woow, amazing! I did not know soooooooo much is happening back in Karachi! One of my guy friends from CBM told me six months ago about the girls there, quote “Yaar woh ladkiyaan sirf mazay kernay aur time pass kernay kay liyeah hain, wife bananay kay liyeah nahi”
At that time I thought may be those girls have boy friends or something but did not know that not even those girls have boy friends, but they are sleeping with them now!!!
We should not single out girls, guys should also be blamed for that! I totally agree with one of the comment above kay taali aik haath say nahin bajti.
@Mansoor
Yaar you talked about your friends who happen to sleep with guys/girls just for fun/money/booz; could you tell us which social class they belonged? (Just curious, trying to figure out the patterns)
@K.A.
Dude, don’t post specific details like the store name etc here! I am sure some of the readers of this blog have already visited that store by now (Mansoor, did you? :) ).
Regrading K.A.’s story, no I cannot guess the rest! Could the storage closet really have been a storage closet? Is it possible they were rearranging some stored stuff? Unless you actually saw something fishy going on, what you are posting here is just based on your perception of what might have happened.
manny: social class? both upper (very rich) to lower (maids n all). Its prevalent all over the society.
ic, hhuummhh, interesting.
To all unmarried guys/girls:
Are you willing to accept the ground reality that your future life partner might have had intimate relationship with other people in the past?Its quite ironic, isn’t it?
manny: im not sure how i’d feel after i get married… but lately, i’ve tried a new approach and its going very well. Whatever happened in the past remains in the past.. as long the other person would be loyal to me after ‘we’ are together… i wouldnt have any problem….
like i said.. till now, its goin quite well.
thts the juicy part of life dude ! let em njoy !!
they must be some bunch of westernized kids !! :D :D
Mansoor,
I understand what you are saying but this raises other questions.
If we were to follow what you just said (Whatever happened in the past remains in the past), would it imply that people will be willing to marry a widow/divorced person? I don’t think so! We all know how difficult it is for widow/divorced to get marry again; even secular and open minded like you and me would hesitate to marry a widow/divorced. Am I right?
In my point of view, a widow/divorced person is more respectable b/c they had a legal life partner in their life, in contrast to a non-married person who had illegal partners.
Honestly speaking, if I had a choice in the past b/w a non-married fucked up slut and a widow/divorced woman, I would marry the widow!
By the way, I am glad your relationship is working out fine. Good luck.
Blame goes to both parties alike whether male or female. I guess this is a time we need to teach about sex education to young Pakistanis as there are far more consequences related to sex related diseases than moral related.
PPH and OA , nice to hear from you.
busy lives huh.
Have you ever thought about rendering your services to Jang? I guess they could use one ;).
mariam my dearest and only friend on earth,I am not Jang lover.I read it because I dont have any choice.BTW read again I mentioned OutlookIndia.The story has nothing to with particular paper.
I guess this is a time we need to teach about sex education to young Pakistanis as there are far more consequences related to sex related diseases than moral related.
No I think its time to getrid of those so called p-head liberals who are ready to copy west all the time without knowing any shitty reality of it.I wonder none of sex education preacher actually cameup with things tht should be taught to infants.
@Mansoor:Seems you know everything about a Woman that you are saying that Women do sex for fun?How many women have you actually experienced in your life?I am not talking about prostitutes but women who reside among us and are treated as “satti savitri”.
Nancy no need to abuse here my friend.majority of people are already aware of that particular spot.
May be, May be not. Altaf bhai knows better.
abay MB rehanay day yar.You seriously lack history details.
How easy it is to copy Bad part of West and how difficult it is to copy the good part of them?
Those willing to let go of past of their partner would they be willing to accept ex sex workers in their lives? atleat this business would be lessen to a bit after that.
adnan: i fail to see how sex workers fit in with divorced/widowed women? Do you refer to them in the same context?
manny: It depends on ur criteria for a life partner. Many may not like my views, or consider them ‘anti islamic’ or what not.. but they stand. My criteria for a life partner is someone who is comfortable living with me, who loyal to me, who can talk (and i mean really talk…) with me, and with whom, i can do the same things as well. I fail to see how ‘virginity’ guarantees that?!
I, for one, do not carry double standards of having one set of rules for girl friends and another for life partner. They’re the same as for both as i’ve stated above.
Okay here is something to think about.I found this comment on Lahore Met blogs.It is written by ATAN in response to the topic of *Vulgur dances banned*. I wonder what do you guys think?
Dee
“Raza, the question is despite no enforcement of the ‘benchmark’ in Canada or any other Western countries, you as well as millions of other Pakistanis live there. I assume that vulgarity in Canada and in other Western countries does not compromise you in any way. If it did you would not elect to live in Canada and you point out that good Muslims seal themselves from amoral behaviour.
Therefore why the need for enforcement in Pakistan? Is it because you feel that some Muslims will fall short in Pakistan, if so why will they not fall short in Canada.
You live in a secular society, as well as millions of other Muslim. It follows therefore that secularism does not compromise Muslims - If it does why so many ( including yourself ) elect to live in the West and many more would ‘elect’ to move to the West, by boat, by plane, by truck and even walk there if they could - Only tight immigration control frustrates them when all are cognizant of the loose morals found in the West.
The contradiction - electing to live in the secular West whilst in Pakistan jumping up and down on the slightest freedom is hypocracy!
If indeed the lack of societal benchmark was so corrosive on a Muslim then it would be Haram to live in the West.There is dichotomy here - living in the West and crying about ‘provocative dancing’ in Lahore.
If these acts are so unhealthy on Muslims in Lahore then why are they any less unhealthy in Canada where you will find similar acts and then some more.
And yes I am a Pakistan Muslim living in the ‘West!!! ”
Posted by: Atan at August 18, 2006 05:49 AM
chairlift…at full speed….tennis anyone..?
Shout out to Atan.
BTW, there is a great article by Irfan Hussain in Dawn named Wishing away reality. It tells us about reasons behind British Pakistanis extremism.
Mariam, the reason for the extremism amongst British Pakistanis is simple …. Its just a extension of the extremism in Pakistan. The ‘Mother Country’ Pakistan has exported the infection to the ‘Host country’ UK.
Many first generation Pakistanis, most belonging a a very conservative background worried about their kids futures in UK. In 1980s mosques sprung up like weeds in every Pakistani neighbourhood and ignorant half literate Mullahs were imported from Pakistan to run these Mosques. The British government bearing in mind race relations freely allowed visas to these Mullahs.
The Brits. are now realising a entire generation has been radicalised. Most families with carefree abandon sent their kids to these Mosques after school not knowing what they were being taught.
In fact Talibanization by the backdoor was allowed. Now only is the government become aware. Fact though is that this phenomenon has only afflicted ( with some exceptions ) the Pakistan ex-pat community - Not surprising in the sense that community keeps in regular contact with ‘back home’ and is influenced.
Funny thing is all other Muslims in UK will describe themselves as ‘Iranian, Arab,Turkish, Turkish Cypriot etc but Pakistan go around with the description ‘Muslim’ .. period.
All others describe their identity in nationalistic terms, Pakistanis describe it in religious terms.
Clearly if you identify yourself as ‘Muslim’ without any let or leave to nationalism then you start crying about Palestine, Lebanon, Bosnia, Chechnya and the next thing you do is grab a bomb and ………… 72 virgins.
Atan,
You are right. The thing which worries me most sometimes these groups are growing in North America too, particularly in Canada. I don’t have any problem with religion as long as no one imposes it on me. My point is you come to the West for better opportunities so better take advantage of it otherwise what’s the point coming here. Another thing I noticed so many Muslims are on some kind of social welfare funded by tax payer’s money. They have a problem with interest banking but heck no problem with handouts from that same system. I call it hypocrisy.
All others describe their identity in nationalistic terms, Pakistanis describe it in religious terms.
This is gift from Gen. Zia.
And what this is all about Hijab. It’s not even mandatory in Islam but its cultural thing. But hey this is the only way Pakistanis could be come as close to be an Arab as possible.
Nice to hear some rational voice.
On a different note have people noticed how often the statement ‘the Arab and the Muslim world’ ………. The ethnicity of the former supersedes the Muslim identity.
There is something not right about this, after all Arabs are not all Muslims just like not all Pakistanis are not all Muslims.This statement would only make sense if 100% of Arabs were Muslim therefore the term Arab would be implicitly taken as Muslim, but thats not the case.
I say this because many British Pakistanis show a marked proclivity for Arabs, almost a unhealthy ‘licking’ even if that is be wee bit harsh.
Sorry for detracting from the discussion in hand.
Thank you Mariam, it is a privilege to read your well thought comment.
I think I should point out that I have never been to Karachi, indeed don’t have any connections direct or indirect with the largest city in Pakistan.When I visit Pakistan I land In Islamabad, see some family there, head off to Muzzafarabad, AJK and then dash down the mountains to Islamabad ‘the beautiful’. Then its reach for the skies from Chaklala Airport. End of Pakistan vacation.
Does this disqualify me from ‘Karachi blog’?
atan: well said! Your argument follows the reasoning of its upto one’s own self, and much less the societal pressures on how they shape themselves.
And no.. this does not disqualify you… any voice of reason is welcome on KMB :)
i fail to see how sex workers fit in with divorced/widowed women?
How a woman is converted to a Sex worker?Do you know that?I dont think i shoudn’t respect a prostitute because she IS a prostitute.I dont know about you that whether you meet any such woman or not but yes I did and story is very horrible.That woman is actually mother of my friend.
Yes my family woudnt accept any such woman as Bahu its true and yes its double standard of our society but yes i am a bit helpless on this issue.
i am a bit helpless on this issue.
you keep talking about change… yet when it comes to your ownself… change is a faraway concept!
im not asking you to go out and marry a sex worker, however, what i am advocating is treating them like humans as well.
you say Society doesnt accept? Arent “WE” society? Isnt that akin to saying you dont accept either? Come on man! they’re just as human as you and i.
How a woman is converted to a Sex worker?
For whatever reasons, the main is to stay alive. In a generation, where women are forced *not* to study and be only housewives, they have nothing to fall back on when their ‘man’ dies/disapears.
It is an evil in our society, but we are the ones condoning it.
by the way… i know quite a few divoced women who were married again, and are happy in their lives. Same goes with a widowed woman, an uncle of mine married after the death of his first wife. They’re both happily married (mashallah) and living life contentedly.
Since we are on the topic, let me describe the last situation further…
The wife of my uncle was a cancer victim, and even though held out for quite some time, she eventually succummed to the disease. She was well loved within the family, and for most of us, it was inconceivable someone would come and take her place. Yet, my uncle decided to marry again, against the wishes of the family, even to the point of being shunned. Now, 2 years after marriage, his new wife has been accepted into our family, breaking away the ‘notions’.
I, for one, am very proud of him and of my family for showing the courage of going against the societal norms.
Adnan… WE are society… and if there’s something going wrong.. its upto US to change it, not wait idly by till some ‘knight in shining armor’ comes and saves the day.