Signs of resistance

Finally…. some different news is being read in the newspapers. Karachiites are fighting back!

Armed men intercepted a youth on MA Jinnah Road and tried to snatch his motorbike at gunpoint. The young confronted with the robbers. In the meantime, a cop of the Pakistan Rangers intervened into the scuffle on which bandits opened fire and fled.

The motorcyclist and Rangers’ cop sustained bullet wounds and were brought to the Civil Hospital, where they were identified as Lance Nike Muhammad Hanif, and Adnan, 22, resident of New Karachi.

Once again… (and this goes out to Adnan Siddique) you see why i personally seem to prefer Army/Rangers over the ‘regular’ police force here. When you hear a persons mobile phone was snatched at gunpoint in a busy area on Clifton (Mottas General Store) right infront of a cop, who by the way, later comes by the victim and says “hota hai… sorry about that” the dislike for the regular cops just comes naturally. In another incident… three police walas were drinking tea at a dhaba (again in clifton) while two cellphones were snatched in front of them, and later said “we were on a break, we’re not responsible”.

23 Comments so far

  1. Zain (unregistered) on August 16th, 2006 @ 9:43 am

    Two weeks ago, a guy shot dead the robbers (two) who were trying to snatch his Prado! Dont know the full details but just heard that the person got away easily as he was a big shot, of course!!!


  2. K.A. (unregistered) on August 16th, 2006 @ 10:30 am

    Of course its the off duty police who are robbing, and the on duty police watching over them..

    I am sure the two dead robbers would’ve been policemen too.

    The big robberies have several times involved sons of high ranked police officials. Two instances I recall that the killed robbers were sons of very high ranked police officials.

    Shame on police.

    Though I wonder if all are like that. Yesterday I gave a ride from Sunset Blvd to Kh-e-Ittehad to a very decently dressed gentleman in his early fifties. He told me that he is an income tax officer and gives part time tuitions after office hours in Defence as he gets better pay for his tuitions than in other parts of the city.

    An income tax officer without sufficient income to own a transport.. there’s always a ray of hope somewhere.


  3. Adnan (unregistered) on August 16th, 2006 @ 2:39 pm

    Mansoor I don’t understand the purpose of your rant,specially mentioning my name.


    you see why i personally seem to prefer Army/Rangers over the ‘regular’ police force here.

    since when were we discussing this topic?You comeup with a different issue here and yes I still oppose you due to a couple of reasons.

    1)Army people must be on borders rather in cities.
    2)Majority of police force is considered corrupt but it doesnt mean that everyone is like that.You also rejecting again that there is any corruption in army.

    P.S:My point 1) shouldn’t be considered ARDish anyway.


  4. MB (unregistered) on August 16th, 2006 @ 2:41 pm

    you see why i personally seem to prefer Army/Rangers over the ‘regular’ police force here
    Dear Mansoor. How about sending police home then? Army/Rangers are not for that purpose. Yes, they can do it better but they are NOT for that. Police reforms, in practical shape are the requirement. Right now the animals on the roads of Karachi behave better than Police. Teach them some humanity.


  5. verysmart (unregistered) on August 16th, 2006 @ 5:29 pm

    mansoor, my mate.
    I understand your central idea of this post.. and i am happy to know that we the people are fighting back.


  6. Cy (unregistered) on August 16th, 2006 @ 6:38 pm

    Mansoor: Is your phone really worth a bullet and potential death? I think the guy who resisted the robbers was crazy and is definitely not a hero.


  7. mansoor (unregistered) on August 16th, 2006 @ 8:01 pm

    everyone seems to have missed the central point..

    verysmart got it..

    have you ever wondered why doesnt crime rate raise so much up in lahore? ever discussed it with a lahori? there’s one theme in general…
    because lahori’s fight back!

    if a house gets robbed, the whole neighbourhood hounds the police to find the robbers till they do! if someone comes up to snatch a purse or mobile… people around gang up on the robber (seen the people running after a robber on TV serials?). This makes robbers second guess their actions.

    In karachi, we’re too willing to give up our possessions, we’re vulnerable and the people robbing us know that.

    If we dont fight back.. who will?

    anyways…..
    adnan: i mentioned you by name jee.. because you always find fault whenever i mention army :D thought i’d spark the discussion first thing time :p lol

    cy: its not about the phone being important… ofcourse it isnt! but my privacy and sense of security *is*. plus.. read my rant above :p


  8. Original-Anon (unregistered) on August 16th, 2006 @ 8:07 pm

    Mansoor, do you have some stats to back your Lahore low crime rate claim? Who told you that the Lahoris fight back? Whoever did that was having a good laugh at your expense.
    I’d say read what CY has to say again, and think about it. A phone is not worth getting wounded or killed. I don’t think we need to promote vigilante justice in Pakistan; things are bad enough already!


  9. mansoor (unregistered) on August 16th, 2006 @ 8:44 pm

    org-anon: the first time i was told this… i thought so too that they were having a laugh at my expense… however, the next couple of times i head the same thing i thought there might be something to it.

    you can even see the difference in views both in karachi n lahore.. How many houses in karachi can u find with walls chest high? or without broken glass or sharp spikes on top? Now, how many in lahore can you find with the same? The answer becomes obvious.

    We’re the same people.. however the way we think, and go about our daily lives differ.

    also, do you have an idea what its like to walk around the city without fear of being stopped and mugged? Of not looking at every stranger, checking them out and marking them as a threat or not? of driving around and NOT eyeing every motorcycle or car filled with guys suspiciously?

    My mobile… or my car may not be worth it! but this daily threat to my safety IS!


  10. verysmart (unregistered) on August 16th, 2006 @ 9:09 pm

    Dear everyone.
    12 years ago, some armed men scaled the walls of a house in north nazimabad, trying to rob the family, the owner of the house stood aginst them, fought valiantly untill three bullets got him at his head and one each at his lung and heart, right infront of his family, his eldest son got shot at but the bullet missed him, miracle.

    that young boy was me, and the man died was my Father (ALLAH give rest to his soul, Ameen).

    No doubt he was a wonderfully thriving businessman at the time, and we lost most of our equity after him. But he taught me never to give up, not to surrender at any costs.

    I think it helped me throughout my life, Today, I am an Engineer who have just completed his MBA from UK.

    I am proud of him, and his morals are still very much with me, guiding me even when I succesfully delivered at the challenge of designing a City wide fiber optic telecom infrastructure for just under $3.0 millions…everyone thought its impossible, I never gave up!

    the point is.. My success in life was not hindered by the fact that i lost my father at the age of 15. With the grace of God and some hard work I achieved what i wanted to.

    But if we hold back, if we surrender without a fight, we will be one day just prisoners in our own houses, waiting for the inevitable, this is when we will really loose!

    I think I qualify to talk about this atleast.. dont you all think so?


  11. mansoor (unregistered) on August 16th, 2006 @ 9:22 pm

    verysmart: May god bless your fathers soul! He may have lost his life then, but what he gave you from that day forward was something not a lot of fathers can give their children, even when they’re around for their whole life.

    But if we hold back, if we surrender without a fight, we will be one day just prisoners in our own houses, waiting for the inevitable, this is when we will really loose!

    So true!!


  12. Dee (unregistered) on August 16th, 2006 @ 10:09 pm

    Verysamart….>I am sorry to hear about your father but i am sure he is proud of you :).You are one fine man with strong convictions.

    Now to the concept of fighting back.I am wondering if we have private security concept for residential clients?.Hearing all about these roberies etc i think instead of depending on police we should go private.

    Mansoor,,,,> you are right once you got robed you loose your sense of security.But loosing a life is worst than that especially for the family.

    Dee


  13. Adnan K (unregistered) on August 16th, 2006 @ 10:33 pm

    VerySmart I am sorry to hear about your loss and espicially the way it happened. My family had a similar experience in 96 when two guys came into our house on a friday afternoon right after nimaaz. My father had just parked his car in the house and the servant was closing the gate when the two pushed their way in. they put a gun to my father’s head and asked for his keys. he thought about it for a second but when he heard the loading sound of the gun he handed over the keys to the car. They then told him to take them inside the house. he came up to the door and somehow managed to quickly get inside and shut the door behind him. I had overslept and not gone for nimaaz that day and i sometimes wonder what would have happened if i had been with him. We have the brinks system in our house so we put the alarm on and i guess the blaring siren scared them away. After the incident many of our friends and family were undecided as to whether my dad was brave or stupid. but hey, he did what came to him at that panic stricken moment. He was also lucky that the guys didnt shoot at him as he was making his run.

    But after listening to your story and a few others over the years i am thankful that everything turned out alright. And I agree with you, if we just sit there and give up, it just feeds the confidence of the aggersor and makes it that much easier.


  14. Mariam (unregistered) on August 17th, 2006 @ 10:17 am

    I agree with Adnan, MB and everyone who are against Army doing Police’s job. BTW, Army cant train people from Karachi to take care of themselves. There are so many unemployed youth in the city they’ll be happy to be the part of police force. If Karachiites are stopping the robbers they’re just getting tired of the system. I know right now they don’t have a leader but all the powerful people should contact the central govt and asked for the police force comprised of locals. Until locals are not hired for this job this problem will prevails. Here in the US each and every person is elected like from police chief to local clerk. Probably we could do this or something similar to it.

    Very Smart, I am glad that everything workout for you. But not everyone is lucky like you every kid needs a father while growing up. As

    about resisting the robbery, I think its foolishness not bravery as ones life is

    irreplaceable. BTW, a friend killed resisting a robbery. This is the third acquaintance one who

    died this way.

    I got these links in email. I thought you guys might wanna

    take a look at it.

    Amnesty International – Targeted killings of health professionals Pakistan

    Amnesty International – No protection against targeted killings

    Amnesty International – Human rights crisis in Karachi

    UN Refuge Agency Report on MQM 1995-1996


  15. Mariam (unregistered) on August 17th, 2006 @ 10:19 am

    I agree with Adnan, MB and everyone who are against Army doing Police’s job. BTW, Army cant train people from Karachi¬¨‚Ć to take care of themselves. There are so many unemployed youth in the city they’ll be happy to be the part of police force. If Karachiites are stopping the robbers they’re just getting tired of the system. I know right now they don’t have a leader but all the powerful people should contact the central govt and asked for the police force comprised of locals. Until locals are not hired for this job this problem
    will prevails. Here in the US each and every person is elected like from police chief to local clerk. Probably we could do this or something similar to it.

    Very Smart, I am glad that everything workout for you. But not everyone is lucky like you every kid needs a father while growing up. As
    about resisting the robbery, I think its foolishness not bravery as ones life is
    irreplaceable. BTW, a friend killed resisting a robbery. This is the third acquaintance one who died this way.


  16. mariam (unregistered) on August 17th, 2006 @ 10:22 am

    The sentence in above comment

    BTW, Army cant train people from Karachi to take care of themselves.

    should be read as

    BTW, why Army can’t train people from Karachi to take care of themselves.


  17. Mariam (unregistered) on August 17th, 2006 @ 10:25 am
  18. verysmart (unregistered) on August 17th, 2006 @ 11:22 am

    Mariam,
    a) I am a great believer in destiny (maybe being a muslim its being fed into me), If I am supposed to die on a street fighting a thug, and its written in destiny, then even if I give my phone away, the low life will pull the trigger.

    In that case I would love to go down fighting.

    b) if its the destiny of my child to achieve greater heights, then come what he will definitely gonna do it, I am alive or not.

    c) maybe my father had not died that day, could have had lost all his equity in a business disaster, died of heart attack a few years later, by the time I could hav had become a spoilt brat and ended up no where… maybe his death has spurred me to do what I have done today.

    I cannot say if I can convince anyone with my theory here, it depends how much we believe, what we believe. the point is, being a bit braver can solve our problems

    ALLAH always has a greater plan, HE knows better!


  19. Adnan (unregistered) on August 17th, 2006 @ 11:29 am

    Verysmart being a believer I also blindly believe in destiny but God also permitted us to use “Khopri” before taking any action.


  20. Mariam (unregistered) on August 17th, 2006 @ 11:38 am

    Adnan,

    LOL!!


  21. mansoor (unregistered) on August 17th, 2006 @ 11:41 am

    adnan: when the use of “khopi” invovles backing away in a cowardly fashion…. then i guess believing in destiny is a better choice.

    verysmart: being a bit braver can solve our problems adnan: when the use of “khopi” invovles backing away in a cowardly fashion…. then i guess believing in destiny is a better choice.

    verysmart: being a bit braver can solve our problems


  22. verysmart (unregistered) on August 17th, 2006 @ 12:29 pm

    Adnan, mariam,
    I said it depends upon our personal level of belief. This is how deeply I believe. you might wanna disagree depending upon yours.

    Mansoor: thanx


  23. Mariam (unregistered) on August 17th, 2006 @ 1:31 pm

    Very Smart and Mansoor,

    What about bravery in asking your govt. to do their job in safeguarding your lives. We are not having a bravery competition here we’re talking about responsibilities. The responsibility that no one has given to the Mush, but he bestowed upon himself when he deposed then PM. Last I check police men are usually some rural Punjabis. I’ve nothing against Punjabi, half of my family is from Punjab but come on can any Urdu speaking imagine to go in Lahore and act as a policeman there. I don’t think so. My point is there are real grievances among Karachiites and unless it not got addressed, they’re going to be fooled by some Altaf.

    Very Smart,

    True money is a solution to many problems but there are other issues too especially if kids are young and happen to be females.

    This is my last comment on this post. I guess its time to move on.



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