‘blasphemous’ act

Why is it so hard for our ‘leaders’ to be civilized?!?! First.. it was eve-teasing in the assembly followed by a riot.. and now this! It doesnt matter who was involved, or which party (though this particular party is seen as the torch-bearers of morality for many karachites).. what matters is that they cant even have a little bit of decency while conducting a debate!! let alone conduct govt. business!

God save us from the Govt.! A message to all my voting friends out there in Karachi….. judge them to who you give your vote in the upcoming elections!!

According to ‘The News’
the so-called religious leaders of the MMA tore up the government bill seeking amendments for the protection of women rights and containing the name of Allah, Qura’anic verses, Hadiths and the name of the Republic of Pakistan and trampled its pieces under their feet in the National Assembly, adding, it was an unprecedented act in the history of Pakistan and Islamic world.

Update: Broken link to the news story fixed.

24 Comments so far

  1. Adnan (unregistered) on August 23rd, 2006 @ 5:01 pm

    Religion,Sex and Politics are always interlinked with each other.Dont you know that?Atleast I am not surprised.


  2. Original-Anon (unregistered) on August 23rd, 2006 @ 6:40 pm

    @Mansoor : 1.Your link does not work
    2. Please refrain from posting about general political and/or your personal rants. This is a metroblog and posts should relate to Karachi.


  3. verysmart (unregistered) on August 23rd, 2006 @ 6:59 pm

    I think the post is perfectly related to the city, what else would be if not the next (possible??)government that will run our country and the city?

    I think we must vote those whoever has a good number of technocrats in their representation. Otherwise I see ourselves travelling back in time and soon be living in caves.


  4. SWA (unregistered) on August 24th, 2006 @ 4:02 am

    The mullahs by their own uncivilized conduct prove to everybody that they are not worthy of being followed. Awesome.


  5. yo yo (unregistered) on August 24th, 2006 @ 7:06 am

    Lets take the Mullahs out..then who is the shinning CANDIDATE to leade us to glory????


  6. Mariam (unregistered) on August 24th, 2006 @ 7:34 am

    I liked Mansoor’s idea.

    It is a golden opportunity to make some Mullahs pay the price of their evil deeds. Govt. should punish all who are responsible so they can learn a lesson. Maybe Mullahs foget all about Hudood ordinance and will be urging to change the Blasphemy Law ;). I hope my countrymen will find out why Quaid wanted a secular govt.

    About the link, yup its broken. I couldn’t find anything at NEWS site but did find other links. Here they are


    Pakistan law change ‘un-Islamic’

    MMA up in arms over women’s rights bill: ‚Ä¢ All-party select committee proposed
    MMA, ARD clash over Hudood amendment bill matter

    Pak Opposition against amending Hudood Ordinance


  7. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on August 24th, 2006 @ 10:13 am

    Mariam did you bother yourself to read the main lines of that particular BBC link?


    Pakistan’s six-party religious alliance has condemned government moves to change controversial Islamic laws.

    Since when Hudood laws become Islamic Laws.If you read carefully,BBC actually saying the actual Islamic(Quranic laws) controversal.But our liberals are so busy to curse that they didnt notice it. *sigh*

    Can we getrid of hypocricy?how many of us actually take care of islamic books and several news papers who publish hadiths,ALLAH and Prophet(SAW)’s name?dont you guys throw papers in dustbin without seprating pieces of paper where hadith or verse is published.We all are involved
    in blasphemous act.

    I feel pitty for you guys.


    It is a golden opportunity…

    that you open your eyes.


  8. Mariam (unregistered) on August 24th, 2006 @ 11:00 am

    Adnan,

    I gave the link to the sites which are available. The News have removed their link, I wonder why?

    Can we getrid of hypocricy?how many of us actually take care of islamic books and several news papers who publish hadiths,ALLAH and Prophet(SAW)’s name?dont you guys throw papers in dustbin without seprating pieces of paper where hadith or verse is published.We all are involved

    in blasphemous act.

    It doesn’t matter what we do as we never gave out Fatwa’s to kill someone unlike MMA leaders. Further more they did it in public and put their shoes on it.


  9. mansoor (unregistered) on August 24th, 2006 @ 12:47 pm

    Dear all..

    sorry about the broken link…

    here’s a link to the story.. i’ll update it on the post as well.

    http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=20977

    Adnan: liked ur point about BBC making the Hudood Ordinance sound like its a valid Islamic law!


  10. Adnan (unregistered) on August 24th, 2006 @ 1:49 pm

    I gave the link to the sites which are available

    Yes but please do go thru them first before linking them to public forum.Specially websites like BBC who never misses the chance to potray Islam in wrong manner.

    It doesn’t matter what we do as we never gave out Fatwa’s to kill someone unlike MMA leaders. Further more they did it in public and put their shoes on it

    It does matter.Maybe not for you which I can understand.Speaking of fatwas,well my haterd for them would not be lesser than yours but did anyone yet give any fatwa to kill someone for x reason?specially for hudood law.We non-mullahs also never miss chance to give fatwa in our own style.some of such people reside on this forum as well.

    Further more they did it in public and put their shoes on it

    No difference.I as a muslim believe that I am answerable to Allah for my actions not to public therefore committing sin in a closed room is not less harmful than commiting in public.


  11. mansoor (unregistered) on August 24th, 2006 @ 3:43 pm

    adnan: I as a muslim believe that I am answerable to Allah for my actions not to public


  12. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on August 24th, 2006 @ 3:47 pm

    mansoor and your point is?


  13. mansoor (unregistered) on August 24th, 2006 @ 3:48 pm

    ooopps.. the rest of my comment was ‘eaten up’ :p

    my point was.. i finally hear something sensible out of u :p lol (no offence)


  14. Adnan (unregistered) on August 24th, 2006 @ 4:08 pm

    No offence taken.

    Its just that you are growing up day by day so things are making sense for you now. :)

    p.s:I am kidding too,well half kidding.


  15. mansoor (unregistered) on August 24th, 2006 @ 4:20 pm

    adnan: lolz :D


  16. Nasir (unregistered) on August 25th, 2006 @ 3:10 am

    Folks,

    There is a difference between acts in public by self proclaimed leaders and religious champions and individuals acting in privacy, think about it. Also you are assuming that individuals do not care about Quranic verses, against an on the record fact. There needs to be a difference in leaders and followers, leaders are suppose to be the role models. Unfortunately most of the followers (one may disagree) of these “mullahs” are illiterate masses, think about what kind of message is being delivered here to them?

    Nasir


  17. Concerned (unregistered) on August 25th, 2006 @ 5:30 am

    I am not sure why we come here and write about this type of stuff. Nothing changes. This place just seems like a place to get out our own pent up anger. This is a group of pretty much like minded ppl, we are changing ppls opinions here, we are not changing anything.


  18. Mariam (unregistered) on August 25th, 2006 @ 8:00 am

    Well jury is still out to consider Hudood law Islamic or not. First one General (created Taliban) told us its Islamic and whole Umma followed him and now another General (punishing Taliban) want us to think it is unislamic. I guess it is controversial as BBC stated. Now I have no connection with BBC but I do value truth. Here an Islamic scholar too saying that other Islamic scholars think Hudood law is Islamic.

    I should tell you guys I only believe in secular governments where religion play no role in ones life it should be ones personal business.


  19. mansoor (unregistered) on August 25th, 2006 @ 9:23 am

    mariam: im all for secular govt myself. religion is personal… not a mass controlling machine its become…


  20. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on August 25th, 2006 @ 9:54 am

    Mansoor:Secular term itself is very controversal and hypothetical as well.The definition of secular is covered in every religion.Seclarism was introduced to back aethism who always preached sepration of church and state.


    religion is personal.

    Yes its true for sunday school religion like Christianity but not islam in which even giving a “smile* to other gives reward(Sawab) to muslim,picking stone from middle of road is “Islamic”. You guys better need to make difference between Islam and other religions.In short need a proper study.


    Here an Islamic scholar too saying that other Islamic scholars think Hudood law is Islami

    Huh?what’s the authenticity of scholars of such site?there re many so called islamic websites run by non-muslims and qadyanis which appear very Islamic.If some *muslim* scholar permits zina and alcohol,will it be sensible that muslims start following it because some X scholar allowed?sounds very lame. I do read fatwas by so called scholars online but i dont believe everyone unless i refer the orignal source;Quran and Hadith.

    I myself lodged complaint against that news on BBC website.Anyone who would have read that news and have even a little knowledge about Islam would have already submitted the complain.


  21. mansoor (unregistered) on August 25th, 2006 @ 11:32 am

    adnan: even giving a “smile* to other gives reward(Sawab) to muslim,picking stone from middle of road is “Islamic” Thats the reason why religion is personal my dear… cuz it gives sawab to the person doing the act. Not the person who received it.


  22. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on August 25th, 2006 @ 3:21 pm

    Mansoor:you delibrately missed the point.That was certainly an example but when you generalis by saying:


    it gives sawab to the person doing the act. Not the person who received it.

    The example which goes againt your generalisation is saying salam.When A person says “Assalam Alaikum” to another muslim,he is actually wishing him Allah’s blessings,in return when he replies back then certainly he’s also recieving Allah’s blessings and Sawab is actually blessing of Allah in a single world.

    Even the smile example.Do you want to say that a person who gives smiles to other is not influential on environment?Think again that you dont talk anything against human nature.

    I already mentioned above that religion and politics are always interlinked and you cant comeup with a state that practically practise so called secularism.Even US and India who claims secular state are practically not secular.There is high influence of Christianity on Bush itself and Judaism on whole US govt machinary.Your denial will not make any difference to change the facts.


  23. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on August 25th, 2006 @ 3:37 pm

    my last post on current thread.Even that stone thing.Majority of us dont remove stones from roads.If i know that removing stone from road is something good+it gives me sawab then i would to take initiative anyway.At one side I am earning sawab and on other hand i am being benificial for hundreds of people by saving them from any accident.Therefore Islam is not a personal matter.

    In my knowledge,no religion comesup with such benifits.Thats differns Islam from other by declaring it as a “Deen” too rather “Madhab” only i.e a Sunday school religion.


  24. asif (unregistered) on August 28th, 2006 @ 4:02 pm

    hi

    first of you are right about the behaviour of MMA in national assembly.

    can you plz post some pics or the clip all news channels were playing about mma protesting and tearing the bill in national assembly.

    i will be really grateful to you

    asif



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