Cruel Intention or Honest Reality


I may well be opening up a Pandora box of criticism here but deep inside many of us, if we can be honest with ourselves if not others; we know we desire them to go. Most or at least many of us want them to at least get out of our lives. We are sick of them, their ways of manipulation, of their lies, of their moral dearth. They all, when they started looked at them with a hope but soon found out they are, just another face of evil.

So Mr. Bugti is gone & maybe saying so for a person who is no more may well be cruel but is it not true we are happy he is gone. Who else you want to see be lost into history. We don’t need any court any laws testing their past or else because we know what that drama is all about & we very well know they are quite happy behind the bars as it’s the same, inside or outside. We just want them to go, to disappear somewhere. We are tired of even seeing their faces. Who is on our secret hit list? If you ask me, well I will agree to what ATIQ said here regarding Benazir & Mr. 10 %, Altaf Hussain Chaudhry Brothers, Nawaz Sharif & me adding the top Mullah’s. It’s just a thought, seemingly impractical but a secret wish among millions of Pakistani’s. Is it a too cruel intention/wish to be made?

29 Comments so far

  1. Omz (unregistered) on August 29th, 2006 @ 12:28 pm


  2. Cy (unregistered) on August 29th, 2006 @ 12:29 pm

    Hmmm … you seem to have left out the general? Or is he the one who will execute your plan?

  3. Poo Poo Head (unregistered) on August 29th, 2006 @ 12:35 pm

    MB once again a stupid post. This is not a political forum where you could post what ever you want. And do you realize what are you suggesting? Kill people w/o trials. Shame on you. I guess dictator Musharraf is paying to some people for doing propaganda.

    Believe me that we just have to show patience and in few years , in few decades we would get nice politicans and nice system but if we keep relying on dictators then forget every thing. I agree that politicans have not been very nice but how long Pakistan have been there ? just 60 years and out of those more than half is governed by Army. We just have to give time to system and should resist to all dictators. You all people are looking for short term goals. Ever wonder why do every one in first world wish for democracy ?? Just give a thought to that my old friend.

  4. Abdul Sami (unregistered) on August 29th, 2006 @ 2:20 pm

    Ever wonder why do every one in first world wish for democracy ??

    Because they have equal laws for everyone from King to sweeper. They have supreme judiciary.

  5. Adnan (unregistered) on August 29th, 2006 @ 2:45 pm

    Ever wonder why do every one in first world wish for democracy

    Hope you will not comeup with example of US ??.

  6. king_faisal (unregistered) on August 29th, 2006 @ 4:02 pm

    sorry for the long post.

    this topic does relate to karachi. in the mid-90’s, most of karachi was held hostage by mqm. around three to five thousand people died in the violence between mqm, haqiqi and the rangers. this whole tamasha only ended when rangers stepped in and cleaned the house. here is a chilling reminder of those events:

    “…The organization has received reports of hundreds of cases of unlawful detention, torture, deaths in custody, extrajudicial executions and “disappearances”, mainly in Karachi, but also in other cities of the province…”

    my own family members who resided in localities like nazimabad and sakhi hassan and who were mqm voters were very grateful that army stepped and handed a dose of some tuff lovin to mqm. since that time. there has been a huge improvement in karachi’s economic and law and order situation. mqm has learnt the error of its ways and has come back to the mainstream.

    same approach now needs to be applied to hinterland because karachi cannot progress in isolation. we simply dont have the infrastructure to support the kind of migration that occcurs into karachi from up country. in addition, most crimes in karachi are comitted by people from up country. if karachi progresses and hinterland stagnates, this situation will get much worse.

    the hinterland unfortunately will continue to stagnate as long as the power of fuedals and sardars are not curtailed. this group of people will be the biggest losers should people under their influence become economically empowered. situation in baluchistan started worsening when govt started announcing plans for economic development. government obviously cannot tolerate groups blowing up pipelines or killing security officers because there can be very little progress without peace.

  7. MB (unregistered) on August 29th, 2006 @ 4:10 pm

    PPH : I guess Adnan & Sami have well replied.

    I just wanted to know if it is true that within our hearts we do want the ones mentioned above to go.

  8. Original-Anon (unregistered) on August 29th, 2006 @ 6:45 pm

    Who is on our secret hit list?
    Hmmm – does it have to be only politicians? And who is going to make these people evaporate? That seems to be your idea; that people you don’t like, should just disappear, get out of our lives.
    You are advocating that this happen by killing them – right? How about not electing them next time they are up for office? But of course, the notion of ‘free and fair elections’ is alien to Pakistan!
    And I totally concur with Poo that this is not your personal soapbox; Use your own personal blog for airing out your rants and ideas.

  9. Alam (unregistered) on August 29th, 2006 @ 7:15 pm

    Most of the ills u see in Pakistan r because of:

    1. Afghanistan Jihad (waged by military)
    2. Indian terrorism (all miylitants trained by military)
    3. Martial laws (brought about by military)

    Now, can u deny that Pakistan is getting a bad name just because of Pakistan Army? Who asked them to intervene in Afghanistan in 1979? Who asked them to intervene in East Panjab in 86-89?

    When Nawaz Sharif shook hands with Vajpayee, military was planning Kargil.

    We dont have good politicians, but to blame everything on politicians is just plain wrong.

    MB, your bias in favor of military is quite evident

  10. YO YO (unregistered) on August 29th, 2006 @ 7:23 pm

    NO need to kill anyone. These guys are aging and will be gone. Its our future and present generation which needs attention. We donot want more corrupt leaders from them.

  11. kidal (unregistered) on August 29th, 2006 @ 9:06 pm

    Abdul Sami, its naive of you to say “because they have equal laws for everyone from King to sweeper. They have supreme judiciary.”

    Laws can be just, but their application seldom is. And that’s true everywhere. It is a fact that the law is applied in the west better than in our countries. But the rich and powerful can still get away with a lot of things. I can give you many examples, but I’ll give you only two that you may be familiar with. Clinton lied under oath (perjury) when he said that he had no sexual relations with Lewinsky. He was not impeached. Bush lied about WMD before invading Iraq. No action has yet been taken.

    While our country is definitely not in good shape, we must stop romanticizing the west, thinking that it presents the perfect example to which we all must aspire.

    Why should we look elsewhere when we have Islam right under our noses. We can of course learn from the west about the sciences, but to look towards them to learn about justice, honesty, integrity – it just doesn’t make any sense.

  12. Kaash (unregistered) on August 29th, 2006 @ 11:07 pm

    Is tasweer main jo bhi hai sub ko ek cave main daal kur…uppar say 500 laser guided missle maar do….phir bhi mujhay lugta hai ek na ek kameena bahar zaroor nikulay ga.just kill’em all, we really don’t need these bastards.

  13. Sa'ad (unregistered) on August 29th, 2006 @ 11:44 pm

    Oh brother you took the words out of my mind. I too have a secret hit list. I too dream that one day a league of secret assassins will clean our country of the filth that has attached itself to us for so many years. their foremost loyalty should be to our people and this land. yet so many of these politicians have lost what their purpose was.

  14. mansoor (unregistered) on August 30th, 2006 @ 12:09 am

    killing might not be the sanest way.. it will only leave a vacuum of power i guess….

    but yes, they do need to be taken out.

  15. MB (unregistered) on August 30th, 2006 @ 12:43 am

    ” but to look towards them to learn about justice, honesty, integrity – it just doesn’t make any sense ”

    KIDAL, which universe you live in dear? Justice, honesty, integrity are the attributes to be found in WEST. As for Monica case, for your kind information it was his personal act and the reason why he was impeached was the lie, the one you mentioned and he did apologized to the whole nation. Because he was not a Muslim politician but a western one who knows when to stick to stance and not to bow and when to apologize.

    @ALAM :- Brother you really need to search my views on ARMY before you say any such thing. Believe me you will offer an apology.

  16. Da-Man (unregistered) on August 30th, 2006 @ 12:45 am

    Lets say they have all been swept into the sea in the Nahar e Khayyam. Who will replace them?
    Who would you like to see as your political leaders?

  17. kidal (unregistered) on August 30th, 2006 @ 1:05 am

    MB, may be I wasn’t clear. Justice, honesty and integrity can certainly be found in the west. But we have a better reference, a more relevant example, and that is in Islam. We don’t need to look too far (to the west) to find these values. All we need to do is learn our deen better.

    As for Clinton, his infidelity can be considered a personal matter (although, my personal opinion is that a man who can be seduced by a woman and cheat on his wife should not be allowed to lead a nation). But after admitting to lying under oath, he was never impeached. He only bowed and apologized when Ken Starr produced the evidence (the stained dress). By then, Clinton had no choice but to apologize.

  18. Faisal Siddiqui (unregistered) on August 30th, 2006 @ 1:22 am

    me and my friends have had long discussions about pakistan and its problems. I guess every person goes through this stage especially when he has been outside of pakistan to some well developed country and wishes y cant pakistan be like this.
    I remember we did discuss about a secret assasin group that would take out all corrupt politician and criminals.

    but i think the real challenege would be to figure out who will replace these corrupt politicians.

    just imagine that tommorrow all the political parties vanish and we have to form new political parties and have elections. how many political parties would we have and where would they be coming from. who would it comprise.

  19. kidal (unregistered) on August 30th, 2006 @ 4:12 am

    Da Man, Faisal, I share your concern. That is precisely why I believe that assassinating these leaders is neither possible nor advisable.

    Change has to come from us, from the bottom-up. Only then we will have a viable alternative to these people. After all, it is us who vote for them (or tolerate them) time and time again.

  20. MB (unregistered) on August 30th, 2006 @ 8:22 am

    “Change has to come from us “. Thats very true dear

  21. PRO BUGTI (unregistered) on August 30th, 2006 @ 12:38 pm

    killing of the guy who was around 80 years of age made our government believe that 35% of the problems have been cleared or should I rather call it created 35% of the problems, while on the other hand BUSH does not want our dear leader to take up any issue with Bugti so that in future when they need to act against Iran they can use our cities as a base. Tell me if it’s possible that u can find “Rs100 million and $96,000 cash, two satellite phones, documents, eight AK-47 rifles and some rockets under the rubble of the cave. There is no chance of retrieving the body of Nawab Akbar Bugti from the cave in which he died for four to five days. Can I ask our military to stop making fool out of us? I think that they have been watching a lot of Indian dramas.

    @-: Poo Poo head

    If u don’t like these topics and find it stupid then why in the world you are even dropping a post here???

  22. Da-Man (unregistered) on August 30th, 2006 @ 6:58 pm

    Actually it is a believable scenario.
    If he had earmarked the cave as his hideout, then finding the weapons, cash, explosives etc is very likely.

    There was a firefight, the explosives stored in the cave ignited, the cave collapsed. Some army guys also died, but since they were at the mouth of the cave, extracting their bodies was easy.

    This 80 year old guy received crores of rupees from the government and spent it on buying weapons, cars, houses private militia, private jails etc. Did nothing for his people, would not allow roads or schools, hospitals to be built because he wants to keep his people ignorant so they follow him without question.

    Leaders like him keep the Baluch people backward and unable to compete with the rest of the country. Then they claim that they are being exploited.

  23. Poo Poo Head (unregistered) on August 31st, 2006 @ 8:44 am

    Hello Pro Bugti, I am insane, can’t help.

  24. Arifa (unregistered) on August 31st, 2006 @ 8:05 pm

    As my mom always says “We need a Chairman Mao in our country, who lines up every DOG in the country infront of a firing squad” look how much they have prospered ever since…
    I feel it is us who have wronged our country. It is we who choose these damned politicians, had we never voted for these people they would never have done all that they did. Maybe I can’t change US, but what I don’t get is; why can’t the people who can actually do something for our country come forward and take part in politics we do need a fresh face and a fresh start.
    I recently met a small time politician from Punjab, no personality, no conviction and no plans whatsoever.. he was in politics ’cause his dad said so and ’cause his wife likes it… huh!!!! do we need such people and guess what!! he’s only 28!!!! how does that happen….
    As for the mqms and haqiqis etc well these are social parasites who need to be removed completely from the face of the planet (I just went back and read all this.. I do sound like Hitler)

  25. MB (unregistered) on August 31st, 2006 @ 10:38 pm

    No you dont sound like HITLER dear if you change “mqms and haqiqis” to “mqms and haqiqis politicians”.

  26. Arifa (unregistered) on September 1st, 2006 @ 2:48 am

    MB- I meant politicians :0)

  27. Mohsin (unregistered) on September 1st, 2006 @ 6:15 pm

    to all pro-mush and media influenced hypocrites,

    open ur eyes and see the difference!

  28. alybaba (unregistered) on September 3rd, 2006 @ 12:20 pm

    This is all our fault. No one elses.

    We vote along stupid ethnocentric lines that allow politicians to do as they want. We reject the idea of democracy and allow military dictators. We think the only way to solve the problem is to make everything “Islamic” and that will solve everything. We don’t vote at all. We don’t expect any accountability because we’ve never had it. We sit and criticize the system and its corruption, but we happily pay bribes when it benefits us. We sit around and blame the CIA, RAW and the Jews for everything. We say the government doesn’t do anything, while we do anything to avoid paying taxes. We refuse to invest money in our people, because we believe India is a bigger threat than illiteracy, poverty and disease. We allow foreign powers to dictate our policies so we can buy weapons. We sit and criticize the West for its immoral ways, yet we would run away there if we had the chance. We are willing to sacrifice long-term change for the sake of short-term stability. We are not willing to make a change, because it might negatively impact ourselves. We are not willing to sacrifice ourselves for the betterment of society. Everyone is only worried about either their family, community, sect, job, business, factory, NA seat. Those that try to make changes only do so for the sake of their worldview – whether it be Islamic, liberal or whatever.

    We all say its the politicians, its the military, its the mullahs, its the feudals, its the business community, its the Indians, Afghanis, Americans or the Jews. Its never us that is the problem.

  29. MB (unregistered) on September 3rd, 2006 @ 6:02 pm

    Wow, Alybaba, you rock dude. That is so true of what you said brother. I wish if we can understand and do something, by first changing ourselves. Its so good that our youth is still alive in thinking at least. I am impressed man.

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