Stand Bold Against the Offenders Please.

We have been depriving women from both human and religious rights since centuries. We have killed them in the name of honor. We have insulted them and have deprived them justice, have harassed them at workplace at schools and educational institutions, have forced them to obey us, “The MEN”. When we need a bride we get them all dressed up only to reject them for just being too short or too tall, as if we are shopping for a furniture to suit our rooms. When they set foot out to work we point fingers at their dignity, we often harass them abuse them and yet we don’t allow them to raise a voice against us.

Today while traveling in a local bus I over heard two Loafers who were mare teenagers. They were narrating a disgusting and explicit account of how they have been physically assaulting innocent girls/women in various crowded shopping centers in Karachi. From their chat I figured out that they specially chouse girls from lower middle class society avoiding anyone in modern outfits, they make sure the victim were shy enough to keep the offence concealed out of embracement, giving them a clear chance to escape.

A depressed girl is often considered innocent and more fit to become a good wife this notion forces the parents to raise their girls in a more protected and often depressing environment. Girls are not allowed to talk about Taboo issues openly, gender based social problems are almost never discussed in our families, girls specially are not allowed to even study such issues, we assume this will “Spoil” the girls. Spoil !? Volumes are needed to explain the word spoil and it’s coveted meanings alone, and I have no intentions to go down that lane at this moment.

The reason for this post is to briefly address this issue, To let you know that being a victim does not make you a criminal, keeping quite about such incidents will make things even worst, such loafers and eve teasers should be addressed strictly. Also parents and educational institutions should create awareness specially in girls to fight back such crimes, and to stand firm and bold against such criminals. There is a need to challenge such customs and practices which are in human, against our religion and are constantly undermining the women.

If you change your self the whole world will eventually change around you, raise your voice against such crimes so the criminals dare not tease another innocent girl.

39 Comments so far

  1. UZi (unregistered) on October 10th, 2006 @ 6:27 pm

    Hear Hear!

    I second (and third and fourth :P) every point made by Jamash above! Good post, mate!


  2. yo yo (unregistered) on October 10th, 2006 @ 6:40 pm

    Good post JAMASH….We all know what the goverment should do to fix the problem. But the question is what ca nwe as a person do in our society.


  3. Ramla A. (unregistered) on October 10th, 2006 @ 7:52 pm

    Very well, Jamash!

    You know what – I am actually happy that we are all discussing and debating these issues. It is not choas, but a sign of hope that we the youth of this nation have NOT LET OURSELVES be indoctrinated. We have lived past and under dogmas, and here we are: still thinking with our own minds, still holding on to our opinions.

    It is indeed a great sign of hope!

    You have spoken rightly on this matter. It all begins at home. Give the girl trust and courage, and she can hold her head high. The abusers usually know well that no one is going to listen to their victim.

    P.S. if you really want to see the worst of it, visit markets in Punjab.


  4. Teeth Maestro (unregistered) on October 10th, 2006 @ 8:25 pm

    Jamash – you have raised a very important issue. Good job.

    I have often wondered why the woman would not just turn around and give a decent whack at the teaser. I was once at a shopping mall I actually saw a middle age man physically tease a woman, the brave woman turned around and smacked the guy across the face. I am sure its embarrassing but this MUST be done humiliate these idiots and hope they learn and think twice.

    The incident brought a smile on my face actually portraying to the guy *I hope it teaches you a lesson* BTW the guy did get a decent whopping after the shop keepers rounded him up ;) but this is just a lone incident, I hope to see more around especially during the eid shopping season


  5. Captain's Log (unregistered) on October 10th, 2006 @ 9:07 pm

    Sorry mates. You could not ever stop this. Just accept it that it would happen ever and ever. Only solution is to open bars/clubs , promote pre marital relationships then no one would be deprived and we would all be happy. Pay money, jerk off and stay happy.If you can not do that (as its Islamic society)then promote early marriages. I strongly believe that guys should get marry by 20-21 and gals by 17-18.If you could master cause then you always gain effects what ever you want. Just by slapping a guy would never help. Discussing in drawing room would never help this issue.


  6. Da-Man (unregistered) on October 10th, 2006 @ 9:38 pm

    Captain’s Log …. star date 800 B.C. LOL.


  7. UZi (unregistered) on October 10th, 2006 @ 9:50 pm

    ROTFLOL @ DA-MAN!


  8. Haseeb A (unregistered) on October 10th, 2006 @ 9:59 pm

    aik he hal hay aisay loafers ka
    waheen kharay kharay CHAMAAT maro. phir dekho.

    btw, agree 100% with Captain’s Log


  9. RAJA KHAN (unregistered) on October 10th, 2006 @ 10:17 pm

    I never let my fiance go out alone..she always takes mother in law with her…I am not letting her walk alone in markets full of cheap thrilling perverts.

    A girl should be given early training by the parents over these matters and she should stand out and raise her voice because once she does that the rest will be handled by the men in that area, aisa litrol karenge k yaad rakega kamina.

    I also agree with captain that these incidents occur because of very late marriages,no pre-marital sex,etc..etc..but hell we are muslims not kafirs, its a shame some muslims act like kafirs and harrass decent girls.

    Pervert :’oh i wanna touch her ass..i wanna touch her breasts…my god it feels good now i can go home and masturbate over the feeling.DISGUSTING!


  10. RAJA KHAN (unregistered) on October 10th, 2006 @ 10:17 pm

    I never let my fiance go out alone..she always takes mother in law with her…I am not letting her walk alone in markets full of cheap thrilling perverts.

    A girl should be given early training by the parents over these matters and she should stand out and raise her voice because once she does that the rest will be handled by the men in that area, aisa litrol karenge k yaad rakega kamina.

    I also agree with captain that these incidents occur because of very late marriages,no pre-marital sex,etc..etc..but hell we are muslims not kafirs, its a shame some muslims act like kafirs and harrass decent girls.

    Pervert :’oh i wanna touch her ass..i wanna touch her breasts…my god it feels good now i can go home and masturbate over the feeling.DISGUSTING!


  11. RAJA KHAN (unregistered) on October 10th, 2006 @ 10:18 pm

    I never let my fiance go out alone..she always takes mother in law with her…I am not letting her walk alone in markets full of cheap thrilling perverts.

    A girl should be given early training by the parents over these matters and she should stand out and raise her voice because once she does that the rest will be handled by the men in that area, aisa litrol karenge k yaad rakega kamina.

    I also agree with captain that these incidents occur because of very late marriages,no pre-marital sex,etc..etc..but hell we are muslims not kafirs, its a shame some muslims act like kafirs and harrass decent girls.

    Pervert :’oh i wanna touch her ass..i wanna touch her breasts…my god it feels good now i can go home and masturbate over the feeling.DISGUSTING!


  12. Extiinct (unregistered) on October 10th, 2006 @ 10:33 pm

    Excellent post! This topic could not have been addressed better.

    Confidence and support from home is the initial step.


  13. MB (unregistered) on October 10th, 2006 @ 10:50 pm

    Completely agree with RAMLA :

    “You have spoken rightly on this matter. It all begins at home. Give the girl trust and courage, and she can hold her head high. The abusers usually know well that no one is going to listen to their victim. “


  14. wasiq (unregistered) on October 11th, 2006 @ 12:21 am

    very good….!


  15. RAJA KHAN (unregistered) on October 11th, 2006 @ 3:24 am

    I apologise for posting 3 times,my Net was acting a little wierd.Sorry
    PS: My Fiancee ;-) not Fiance.


  16. RAJA KHAN (unregistered) on October 11th, 2006 @ 3:24 am

    I apologise for posting 3 times,my Net was acting a little wierd.Sorry
    PS: My Fiancee ;-) not Fiance.


  17. Captain's Log (unregistered) on October 11th, 2006 @ 8:12 am

    Da-man Star date 800 BC :-) , you made me laugh. Just go and ask you dad and grand pa what age did they get marry ?


  18. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on October 11th, 2006 @ 8:38 am

    *nods* maybe the word marriage is too new for them? *grin*


  19. Saadia (unregistered) on October 11th, 2006 @ 9:09 am

    This is a wonderfully written post. And this issue deserves serious attention. I’d like to also point out that we should support and encourage women to raise fingers and voices against people who abuse them anywhere. Whether its in public or private. Whether its a stranger or someone they know.


  20. mansoor (unregistered) on October 11th, 2006 @ 9:47 am

    well said jamash!!


  21. UnholySaint (unregistered) on October 11th, 2006 @ 10:29 am

    Captain Log.. early marriage just becoz you want some puntang huh? Question is, is marriage a cheap and legal way of getting ‘some’. If your answer is yes, then just skip my post.

    My goal is understanding myself and my personality before I say I am ready to accept someone else in my life. Early marriage is not always possible. Education, financial conditions, and maturity are main players in the decision making.

    Sincerely, I dont have any proposal for a fix. God made men for 1 thing and 1 thing only. Sorry, you cant fight nature. As soon as you admit nature, you become aware of your unintentional behaviour and end up changing yourself atleast a little bit.

    Till sex and relationships are a taboo in our society (which we adopted from the Victorian era), we wont see the problems in focus.

    Just my 2 cent…


  22. amna (unregistered) on October 11th, 2006 @ 12:03 pm

    http://www.pkblogs.com/blanknoiseproject

    heres something related which a group of women in india have started.


  23. Jamash (unregistered) on October 11th, 2006 @ 2:07 pm

    Thank you for all your comments and appreciation. Thank you Amna for sharing this wonderful link, I Hope these guys in India can start some thing similar here in Pakistan as well.


  24. Fakhr (unregistered) on October 11th, 2006 @ 3:38 pm

    To This is just pathetic! These types of people should be shot at sight!

    For the inspiration I want all gals to watch Mizmaar’s Tu Jo Mere video!!!
    Will be great start LOL.

    My girlfriend is like that! Heheh pray for my health!


  25. Fakhr (unregistered) on October 11th, 2006 @ 3:39 pm

    To This is just pathetic! These types of people should be shot at sight!

    For the inspiration I want all gals to watch Mizmaar’s Tu Jo Mere video!!!
    Will be great start LOL.

    My girlfriend is like that! Heheh pray for my health!


  26. Mubashir (unregistered) on October 11th, 2006 @ 5:14 pm

    Why do we keep talking about “Training girls at home” What about Training Boys at Home? Unfortunately the society we live in put boys on pedestal and the common attitude is that they can not do anything wrong. And who teaches them this attitude? MOTHER… A WOMAN. Only if we could teach our BOYS respect…


  27. Ramla A. (unregistered) on October 12th, 2006 @ 1:46 am

    Very true, Mubashir. That is the other half of the equation.

    BTW, Extiinct had written a similar post some months earlier… this adds on to it.


  28. Arifa (unregistered) on October 12th, 2006 @ 3:25 am

    While I lived in Karachi, I did come across and experienced the frustrated acts of such wierdos too and I think this is just a basic instinct that as soon as you FEEL something is happening you go to the ROOT (aka hand) and twist it so bad that you hear it crack. Ladies, the pure pleasure of listening to the sound of a jerk’s fingers cracking is unbelievably good. Smacking the face, you never know, might be just giving him more pleausre.
    About 10 years ago at one of those *WALK A CAUSE* events a pretty educated guy decided he had to stoop to his fellow Pakistanis level and he didn’t even get his fingers fractured but I followed the guy to his car, called his house and went there met his parents and made sure he got into enough trouble for the rest of his puberty. My mom, to this day, hates my guts. But you know what? This is the way to go. Infact if something at all happens donot wait for your male companion to react as more often than not they would try and tell you to keep quiet and forget about it. I have had some girls do that and besides a guy hitting a guy is not embaressing in Pakistan, a woman hitting means there was something very wrong going on.
    This is eid time, please make your eid pleasurable and go out on Chaand raat and slap them silly, try cracking their fingers, I love the helplessness on their face then.
    I am sitting at work and my boss wants to know why I am turning all red and typing furiously, I don’t have the heart to tell her what goes on back home.


  29. Alam (unregistered) on October 12th, 2006 @ 3:57 am

    I am with Ramla on this.

    Women in Pak r too submissive, educated and uneducated alike. What women Orgs should do, is spread around pepper sprays, teaser guns, etc.

    Women can’t get independence in Pak, unless they move ahead. Govts can’t do shit.


  30. IHATEBURGERBACCHAY (unregistered) on October 12th, 2006 @ 3:46 pm

    Uhm the solution to our problem isn’t to make women feminazis and bitches as some people are suggesting. All women should be taught to have the courage to speak about any such perverse offences they experience. It is the ISLAMIC thing to do to bring these bastards to justice. But instead of focusing so much on “women’s rights” maybe we should focus more on “enforcing laws in the books” – because no person, regardless of woman, man, or child should ever be sexually assaulted. I see homosexuals harming young boys in the streets too… We need to bring all of these bastards to justice and start by BITCHSLAPPING them if they dare do anything stupid and Un-Islamic like this.

    One other suggestion I think is important – while I advocate free media, there needs to be controls as to how women are projected including on billboards. Right now they are slowly becoming “objectified” in the name of “enlightened moderation” – we need to go back to the Islamically correct way and stop this sex-craze non sense and impose harsh penalties on advertisers and media people who blatantly misrepresent women and encourage debauchery and sexual ludeness.

    AND ALLAH SUBHANA WAT ALLA KNOWS BEST


  31. IHATEBURGERBACCHAY (unregistered) on October 12th, 2006 @ 3:52 pm

    @ Alam

    There is nothing wrong with being submissive so long as perverse horrible things are not happening. You may prefer FEMINAZIS and BITCHES like in Western society, but I believe our society is much better off because females are not like they are in the West. Furthermore, I believe that they are much sweeter and nicer and compromising than the BITCHES in the West. That is something to be proud of not upset b/c you think it doesn’t match up with some horrid form of secular fundamentalism.

    Women should get all the education and should be encouraged to speak out of crimes they face in a way that does not violate their dignity or honor. Furthermore, MEN should not let WOMEN shoulder all the responsibility to make sure this happens. MEN need to step up and BITCHSLAP other MEN who act in perverse ways. Similarly MEN need to stop thinking with their genitals and BITCHSLAP ladies who act in a sexually crude way. In particular we need to just take a cricket bat and slam the heads off homosexuals who are harrassing young boys on the streets.

    This is a two-way street, it isn’t just about “women” – men are part of the problem and need to be part of the solution.

    AND ALLAH SUBHANA WAT ALLA KNOWS BEST


  32. IHATEBURGERBACCHAY (unregistered) on October 12th, 2006 @ 5:01 pm

    one last thing i wanna add… As I was reading Fajr I was thinking about this story…

    This again proves my theory of classism – There is no religious or cultural conspiracy at-hand here.. This is the result of class conspiracy… The rich burger mafia that feels they can get away with everything… poorer citizens perpetually live in the shadow of fear as they feel powerless to do anything to stop the menace of the elite and privileged…

    There is a reason these punks pick on lower middle class females – because economically they are weak

    when we destroy burger classism and associated euro centrism in our society, then perhaps we will liberate not women – but the entire proletariat from perpetual oppression

    that’s my 2 cents

    AND ALLAH SUBHANA WAT ALLA KNOWS BEST


  33. Alam (unregistered) on October 12th, 2006 @ 10:37 pm

    @ IHATEBURGERBACCHAY

    Stupid ppl like u r confused.

    Every woman in west is not whore, like ur mama. And every young boy is not sexually molested in streets like u seem to have been.


  34. Jamash (unregistered) on October 13th, 2006 @ 12:22 am

    @ IHATEBURGERBACCHAY

    http://karachi.metblogs.com/archives/2006/09/beyond_honour_l.phtml

    I suggest you give this book a good read please :).


  35. Abdul Sami (unregistered) on October 13th, 2006 @ 10:44 am
  36. TheRepublicOfPakistan (unregistered) on October 14th, 2006 @ 10:06 am

    JAMASH, I think all of your points are valid and should be addressed, issues like these just shows us how far we are from the teaching of Islam, women should be respected and they should not live in any fear. But from some of the posts it seems like people are unintentionally or intentionally blaming Islam and think that the solution is by adopting western values. Men in our societies need to learn there duties and responsibilities as Muslims, this lack of understanding is the reason why women have to face these issues. In the process of doing so we need to be careful and not sacrifice our Deen. There are a lot of sisters that i personally know in my family and outside who work, study and do everything that they need to but they also realize and know what the boundaries are, same goes for a lot of brothers who do the same thing. But there are people who in the name of oppression are just trying to promote Haram. All of us need to follow or at least try to follow our religion. How many of us do this what we are told to do (both guys & girls)?
    Guys who bother and feel the urge to harass girls should read this and see that its not just women that Allah asked to be modest and respectful.

    An-Noor
    24:30-Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: And God is well acquainted with all that they do.
    24:31-And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband”s fathers, their sons, their husbands” sons, their brothers or their brothers” sons, or their sisters” sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands posses s, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards God, that ye may attain Bliss.


  37. IHATEBURGERBACCHAY (unregistered) on October 15th, 2006 @ 9:58 am

    @ Alam

    Stupid dumbsh** secular fundamentalists like yourself are fuc**** morons. Don’t bring MAA BEHEN into this you c***-sucking bas****.

    See I can curse to. It does nothing. Attack my points, don’t be a stupid dumb sh** elitist fundamentalist.

    My points stand firm. And I was being facetious anyways. Not everyone is a whore, but I think it’s fuc**** stupid for people like you to claim that apparently Western society is better because their females aren’t submissive and instead “independent” – you are a fuc**** tool.

    Pakistan has a mix of submissiveness and independent, West has a different mix. Both have their ups and downs. I prefer Pakistani women, they actually have some decent moral values, unlike most women in the West that would give DIVORCE in 2 minutes if anything happened.

    For idiotic Pro-Western sellouts like youself to say women are submissive and instead need to be “independent” or something stupid like that, you need a big fat cricket bat on your bad.
    @ Jamash

    The book sucks. it’s filled with off-hand references to orientalist thinking. If I want to read an intellectual book on honor I’d rather read stuff from the Middle East from the 13th century when intelligent scholars dealt with this issue instead of Western crap where they talk about the importance of liberation and why these so-called honor traditions are all “backwards” – why do I want a burger to tell me about my culture? They can go die in their ivory tower for all I care.


  38. Amna (unregistered) on October 16th, 2006 @ 1:21 pm

    @ IHBB. you need anger management. also when you say

    “I prefer Pakistani women, they actually have some decent moral values, unlike most women in the West that would give DIVORCE in 2 minutes if anything happened.”

    its because she is empowered enough economically to stand her ground and tell the man he cant bullshit her. what do moral values have to do with not putting up with crap? so a man can say anything he wants and if a woman challenges it that makes her a whore? or morally lesser? you seem like a man who likes meek and economically weak women who would have to listen to you only bec they have no choice. im married and i work and make a decent amount of money but that doesnt make me better or worse than my husband, when i dont agree with something i say so. and yes if that leads to a fight so be it. but the women of today are economically sound enough to not have to listen to the utter crap that sometimes escapes the mouths of men who think they know better just because they are men.


  39. Imran (unregistered) on October 17th, 2006 @ 4:21 am

    As here in West women are more sexually assualted when CCTV cameras not watching than anywhere in muslim coutries. There are incidents in which one person make mobile phone video of her while being raped on street.

    To reduce such assualts by passers-bys following care should be taken:

    first man should lower their gaze, He should not look at the girl second time if first time he look at the woman accidently. give respect.

    woman/girl should wear scarfs and hijabs. No half selves and see-through tops. You are not a supermodel you are a member of respectable family.

    Earlier marriages. Ideal age to get married is 21. As refelted by Sunnah of Prophet Muhammed (SAW)

    media should show be less vulgar. Indian movies and dramas should be banned.

    Lastly if it happens to you use a pepper spray and raise your voice. Men in the area will beat him and ask them to make call to his parents, which is going to be ultimate humiliation. Or leave it to Allah which is the Best provider of Justice in the World and Hereafter.

    JK



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