E10, anyone?

Anyone got any experience with E10 fuel? It’s being tested in select vehicles in Karachi, Lahore and Islamabad. So who selects the vehicles to be tested? Why wasn’t my car selected? Just kidding. But seriously though, is this thing going to be successful in Karachi? Are we going to see a price drop in fuel? I certainly hope so.

Credit: Danyal Manzar

10 Comments so far

  1. Kashif (unregistered) on October 13th, 2006 @ 7:20 pm

    We won’t get more than couple of rupees per ltr off the new fuel.

  2. Saamia (unregistered) on October 13th, 2006 @ 9:52 pm

    Hey reading this E10 fuel thing made me curious so i went on yahoo and did some research and this is what i found . Ethanol (ethyl alcohol) and methanol (methyl alcohol) are two types of alcohol fuels. In their anhydrous or pure forms, they can be mixed with gasoline (petrol) if running either pure or 190 proof alcohol is not practical. Typically, only ethanol is used widely in this manner, particularly since methanol is toxic.

    E10, also frequently called gasohol,(OOps it rhymes with something else but won’t say it on this blog)Ha ha is a fuel mixture of 10% ethanol and 90% gasoline that can be used in the internal combustion engines of most modern automobiles. So you still wanna know why wasn’t your car tested for E10. Just kidding. Well if you find more on it do lemme know because i really wanna know what it actually is like the only place the price of fuel is gonna come down will be in our dreams.

  3. IllusionFS (unregistered) on October 13th, 2006 @ 10:38 pm

    Global crude prices have fallen 25 % in the last few months, and the government is planning to lower the Fuel Prices in Pakistan but MashaAllah say they cannot find a mechanism to lower the prices so they have given the task to the World Bank.

    MashaAllah say kaafi kaabil log jama kiye hoay hain :D

  4. Salman Zubair (unregistered) on October 13th, 2006 @ 10:48 pm

    Since I work for an Oil Company I know for a fact that prices are about to be revised downwards since the government is yet to pass on the benefit of a decrease in crude prices to the end consumer. So guys!! Do not fill up your tank unnecessarily as petrol prices are expected to fall substantially soon. As far as E-10 is concerned. Yes it will be around 2-3 Rs cheaper than petrol but you will have to compromise a little on fuel efficiency.

  5. decipher (unregistered) on October 13th, 2006 @ 11:08 pm

    So if it’s only 2 to 3 rupees cheaper and on top of that, I have to face the fact that it’s also inefficient, then why bother with E10
    I agree with salman, we will see some dramatic drop in oil prices in the near future but seeing the outrageously high prices of petrol for so long, I surely yearn for a hybrid, if any, in Karachi…

  6. Ramla A. (unregistered) on October 14th, 2006 @ 12:01 am

    If E10’s eco-friendly, I am going for it!

    BTW, has anyone (expat in USA) seen An Inconvenient Truth?

  7. Salman Ahmed (unregistered) on October 14th, 2006 @ 1:39 am

    Well i guess we all got over excited….
    this is government of pakistan we are here talking about and why do we keep on forgeting it gives a damn about the common people….

    “Government decline to reduce petrol prices”

    government’s mouth peice Tariq Azeem today announced that gov would continue to milk the pakistani public no matter what happens internationally…


  8. Salman Ahmed (unregistered) on October 14th, 2006 @ 1:54 am

    they(Government) milk the public through petroleum prices… even the poor non tax payer gets milked that way and when cbr says that xxx new tax payers added to tax net then i say that actually whole of pakistan is in directly being taxed…

    government is just busy organising Book tours for dictator and wasting money in every imagineable way they can and on the other hand they think of PDL (Petroleum Development Levy) as their birthright and
    they start whining when ever some one points out how unjustified PDL is…

  9. Azar (unregistered) on October 14th, 2006 @ 6:47 am

    As stated above, E10 fuel is 10% Ethanol and 90% Gasoline. Here in the US most Ethanol is derived from corn and has been big in the mid-west due to the ubiquitous supply of corn. As far as I know, E10 can be used in any gasoline engine, and although you will get somewhat reduced fuel economy, the advantage is that it is touted as more eco-friendly (less emissions). I have not seen Methanol being used as a fuel-additive here. Interestingly General Motors (GM) is now promoting E85 (you guessed it: 85% Ethanol and 15% Gasoline) which is much cleaner than E10. The difference is that while E10 could be used in a regular gasoline engine, E85 needs an engine specifically designed to use it (flexible fuel engine). There is obviously a lot of pressure and press here on the subject of US’ dependence on Middle Eastern oil, hence the push for these new renewable energy sources that grow domestically. One interesting thing that I have not see people try in Pakistan is the bio-diesel option… basically you take used oil (ghee) after it has been used to fry stuff, and can use it in a diesel car without much alteration. I am sure there is some tweaking involved but I have seen a VW Jetta that had it and it drove fine. There is a French Fries-like smell but the upside is that the owner usually gets his oil free from restaurants here (as they generally pay to have their used oil disposed). Might be a good option if you are good with diesel engines.

  10. SWA (unregistered) on October 14th, 2006 @ 10:22 am

    @ Ramla A.: I saw the documentary “An Inconvenient Truth” Its excellent. But most all it told me is that the United States is the biggest culprit in ruining the environment of this earth for us all.

    Apart from that, no doubt E 10 and E 85 are two good alternative fuel options, but for Pakistan, I think CNG is still the best, cheapest and cleanest option. Reasons:

    – Both E10, and E85 use gasoline as a mixture which is more polluting than CNG
    – E10 and E85 requires large scale corn farming for purposes of ethanol production. Most of our agricultural areas are saline or waterlogged. The only good ones we have, we already use them for growing other cash crops. So farming large quanitities of corn for fuel blends would require a lots of switching over, lots of economic adjustments, and we would lose large areas of farmland that can be used for foreign exchange earning cash crops.
    – Biggest reason against E10/E85 in Pakistan: we have a large quantity of natural gas reserves. Which means we dont have to import it much. Whereas corn farming for blends would require lots of agricultural imports, utilizing more of our natural gas would need minimal investment.
    – CNG is still cheaper and more economical than E10/E85
    – CNG is also less polluting than the blends and more environmentally friendly.

    Conclusion: I support CNG conversion wholeheartedly and oppose E10/E85 in Pakistan.

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