Chand Raat tonight?

Ramadan2.gifThe world over, Muslims are celebrating Eid today but we here in Pakistan still have a day (or two) to go. To start off the festivities the Government of Pakistan has declared a public holiday from today Oct 23rd – Oct 25 i.e Monday to Wednesday treating us with a nice long weekend. It may appear that the bureaucracy is pushing for Eid on Tuesday after having observed only 29 rozas, but as we all wonder, what if the chand is spotted on Tuesday for an Eid on Wednesday. Will people head to the office on the 2nd day of Eid *bummer* ….. The usual tale of Eid confusion for us Pakistanis… LOL

The question I ask today is.. What do you do on Chaand Raat? If you go out where is the most happening place around town. A request to all our readers, take tons of Chaand Rat pictures and email them over to me at drawab at Gmail dot com for a photo-post on the happenings of chaand raat (attribution will be provided)

—- Shawwal Moon has not been sighted Eid is now on Wednesday —-

55 Comments so far

  1. MB (unregistered) on October 23rd, 2006 @ 2:06 pm

    mai toh ghar per baith ker maatum kerta hoon saari qom per. Dunia chaad per 50 saal pehlay pohunch gai or MARS per ja rahi hai or 100 saal agay ka bhi usko pata hai ki chaand kab kahan or kis jaga kitni dair ke liye niklayga or hum log kin kharafaat mai lagay huey hain ki aaj EID hai ya kal EID hai. Hell to all “daqianuusi” minds and hell with our religious Aalims. I will better watch an adult movie then wasting my time in finding where chaad is and whether it will be visible or not & all that bullshit.

    As for where i go when i shop toh i go anywhere my item requires me to go. But usually i prefer ki pehlay hee kerlia jaai agar kuch kerna hai toh. I also try to catch friends and see if we have any common interest in Chaand raat. Any requirement that needs to be met. Otherwise I go on doing my normal work and stuff.

    And as for taking pictures i will sure try magar agar kisi ne dhunai kerdi toh aap hee responsible hoongay janaab. Just kidding. Hey everyone get the best pics possible. I will sure see if I can catch any.


  2. MB (unregistered) on October 23rd, 2006 @ 2:09 pm

    Hey by the way. That Ramadan GIF is excellent one. Forgot to say that initially. Looking perfect on the page. The stars are looking awesome


  3. WellWisher (unregistered) on October 23rd, 2006 @ 4:17 pm

    Mr MB, Your post blames the religious Aalims for not using scientific methods for predicting whether the Eid Moon will appear today. They have perfect reasons behind not using these methods.

    They say
    - It is necessary but in fact Sunnat to see the moon with your own eyes. But as we may say “kya har kisi ko dekna zaroori hai” the religious Aalims have reached a concensus (IJMA) that registered and trusted members and reporters of a particular organization (Reut-e-Hilal Committee) can testify the sighting of the Moon.
    - whether You personally may use scientific methods, is another question on which concensus is yet to be reached, but the sighting is most necessary.

    I believe that if we all go out of homes today for seeing the moon, it is worthy of sawaab (rewards) and IT IS NOT permissible to call our religious preachers as going to hell, if they miss out something or they misguided us, it is due to the lack of their education and we must compensate them for that.. unless we do not give them the respect for their intention to show us the religion, good deeds, they wont respect our scientific wishes.


  4. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on October 23rd, 2006 @ 4:27 pm

    Somebody tell MB the meaning of ‘royat’ so that he dont waste his *precious* time to comeup with such posts.

    MB, Hum kuch nahi Kahsaktay, Allah ney shayed tumhara muqaddar mey ramdan ki akhri raat porno movie he dekhna likh dia hay. Hum bus tumhara lia dua ha karsaktay hain. *sigh*.

    @awab: hmmm sab samjhta houn k pics kion mangi jarhe hain. Bhabi ko bataoun?? ;d


  5. Haseeb A (unregistered) on October 23rd, 2006 @ 5:40 pm

    aaj batanay kafaida nahi bhabi ko. bhabi bari masroof hongee shopping ya tayari main.eid kay baad batana


  6. UZi (unregistered) on October 23rd, 2006 @ 6:08 pm

    oh and by the way, today (Monday — October 23, 2006) was the first day of Eidul Fitr in NWFP. :D


  7. MB (unregistered) on October 23rd, 2006 @ 6:59 pm

    @Wellwisher:
    o bhai meray, sunnat mai ot bhi hazaar cheezain aati hain jin mai sab se baari cheez aqal ka istimaal hai. Jo mullah nahi kertay. Aaap ki info ke liye arz hai ki Azaan ka concept bhi sirf time ke restriction ki waja se tha. Agar Hazuur (SWA) ke time per ghari hoti toh Azaan ki bhi zarurat nahi hoti logon ko batanay ke liye ki namaaz ka time hogaya hai.

    As for Seeing the moon. I just understand one thing. When there are methods well available why would i not use them and instead go blind using sunnat as a pretext. Its simple stupidity nothing else. That sunnat was for that time and it was due to limitations in not knowing anything about astronomical science. This is an absolete pount that everyone comes up with, i.e seeing with own eyes is sunnat. Why the hell no one gets the the logic behind why the Prophet used to see with his own eyes. There is a thing called human intellect and the biggest sunnat is to use it effectively and thats what the Ulema lack.

    @Adnan
    aap be fiker rahain. mai toh kam az kam khul ker keh raha hoon ki daikhta. Poori qom toh markets mai bhi yahi hee daikh rahi hogi. You know what i mean.


  8. IllusionFS (unregistered) on October 23rd, 2006 @ 7:00 pm

    TM, that gif is indeed very cute :)

    I wish kay eid sukoon aur aman say guzr jaye karachi mein, Amin.


  9. darthvader (unregistered) on October 23rd, 2006 @ 8:27 pm

    HAPPY EID ALLLLLLL!!!!


  10. Jamal Shamsi (unregistered) on October 23rd, 2006 @ 11:17 pm

    Monday 23 October 2006 I decided to stay at home, and not to come out before the ESHA Azan, so how come people were looking for me to announce that EID will be on 24 October 2006 Tuesday.

    So People look for me 25 13 7 North / 62 19 8 EAST at 1801 hrs October 24 2006 and you will see me –

    Happy EID to All – Eid Mubarak,

    EID AY SAEED MABROOK


  11. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on October 23rd, 2006 @ 11:34 pm

    @MB: My dear Why do you copy others? you could copy good things of others. I think you are a mature person.

    Your attitude reminded me one of my childhood friend who used to call Maa behan k galian in Ramadan and used to feel proud of it k jaise koi bara teer mara hay. Allah tujhe hidayat day aur tere sadqay mujhe bhee.

    Since tonight is no chand raat so its another roza in Pakistan. I am happy coz i think I got one more day to fix myself. I don’t go out on chandrats as I don’t like it. What would I be doing tomorrow night to thank God for giving me a better ramadan than past as I did many things in this ramadan which I couldn’t do last year. I think the best way to celebrate chand rat to perform Isha in masjid and then read Surah Yasin in night and offer Fajr on Eid day.

    Not to depress my fellows but just to share with others that how foolishly we celebrate such occasions.


  12. Dee (unregistered) on October 23rd, 2006 @ 11:59 pm

    Salam Karachi and Eid Greetings from Canada.Yes,we are celebrating Eid-ul-Fitr today.So we(ladies) performed Eid namaz and men went to Islamic centre and we been told this year Islamic centre had to stretch Lines way out of Islamic centre.After that its usual sweet and svory delicacies and we will have Eid lunch arround 3PM.
    We are missing Pak big time and so the calls to relatives in Pak and North America getting longer.Islamic association sent fax to colleges, schools and Universities so all the kids at home all dress up and recieving Eidi and gobbling up all the food.
    Well we pary you guys in Pakistan have a wonderful Eid tomorrow.Allah Hafiz
    Dee


  13. sadia (unregistered) on October 24th, 2006 @ 12:32 am

    Islam doesn’t tell you to not use scientific methods if they’re going to help you.. if we used them, there wouldn’t be this craziness about ‘chaand dikha ke nahi deikha’. Khwamakhwa mein things complicate kertay hain.

    On CHaand raat I know that the malls are pretty crowded so you shouldn’t go there really.. esp. if you’re going by car, because you wont get parking.

    I will try getting pictures if I go out, but I doubt it. Theres just so much rush everywhere.


  14. Rohail (unregistered) on October 24th, 2006 @ 1:22 am

    We as muslims are suppose to follow the Quran and Sunnah. Quran does not mention anything about moonsighting and Sunnah tells us very clearly
    Quote:
    The holy Prophet says, 1. Do not fast until you see the (Ramazan) moon and do not stop fasting until you see the (Shawaal) moon. 2. Do not start fasting without seeing the (Ramazan) moon and do not stop fasting without seeing the (Shawaal) moon. If the sky is overcast (and the moon is not visible) then complete the 30 days of Shabaan. 3. Fast on seeing the (Ramazan) moon and end fasting on seeing the (Shawaal) moon. If the sky is overcast then complete the 30 days of Shabaan.
    This Hadees does not specify that it was for that particular time so I think we shouldnt really blame anyone.


  15. WASIQ (unregistered) on October 24th, 2006 @ 3:37 am

    MAMA KEHTI HAIN AAP NEY PRESIDENT SAB KA BOOK KHATAM NAHEIN KIA ISS LIAN AAP KO EID NAHEIN MILLA……….


  16. KhiTorPitt (unregistered) on October 24th, 2006 @ 4:24 am

    @MB, I enjoy comments written by you, Captain, Illusion, Teeth Maestro, Umar, Mansoor and sometimes stupid comments by Cy, but I am surprised to see your comments this time.


  17. yo yo (unregistered) on October 24th, 2006 @ 4:31 am

    MB…you are a true MAWALI…I think thats why you donot have a personal blog. MB- MAWALI BADMASH


  18. MJ (unregistered) on October 24th, 2006 @ 5:53 am

    I suggest aquiring some knowledge and the reading such papers as the one posted below on the moonshighting by actual islamic scholars, before we begin to rant and rave…
    Wasalam
    and *~Eid Mubarak~*
    http://www.zaytuna.org/articleDetails.asp?articleID=100
    http://www.hilalcommittee.com/


  19. Captain's Log (unregistered) on October 24th, 2006 @ 7:21 am

    I have never heard any one accusing doctors that they are not well versed, even if some one is not good, we do not call profession bad but the person is incompetent. Why do we generalize for religious scholars.

    First of all , I can not understand where are you people remaining 11 months and why there are shouts only for Shawwal’s moon. No one bothers for other 11 months and we always take what ever those religious scholars tell us but we can not wait Ramadan to finish earlier I guess.

    It is very much possible that you could sight moon in one area and not in other so there should be _NO_ objection on two eids. Has any of you seen that it is raining in Gulshan-e-Iqbal and not in Gulistan-e Jauhar? Has any one ever see the junction of raining/non raining areas. When that is possible then why moon sighting at different days at very distant places is not possible.

    It is also beyond my understanding that how could you criticize any [religious]scholars when you do not have even basic knowledge and ask them to use common sense. It’s really ironic. Can any of you challenge any science scholar. Here every one thinks that religion is “ghar ki murgi”, do what ever you like to do with that, say what ever you want to say. Why do you people think that such high qualified people would go against common sense or shariah. I believe that it’s a game of Satan, he would put all those doubts in your heart. Read translation of last surah of Koran. It clearly tells that Satan would always pollute you by making doubts in your heart. Islam is all about belief. Let’s assume for a second that scholars have made a mistake [after all , they are neither prophets nor angels]. You people should still have belief that they are making their best efforts in making right decision. Islam too much stresses on “Niyyat” so I believe even if there is a mistake, Allah would give you people same award. Do not post stupid messages and try to split ummah.

    By the way people who are asking to use science should know astrology has been here for ages and we always had great astronomers in Islamic history. There was a time when there was no compass and people just use position of stars to go from east to west. But some people are so ignorant that they are asking now that Azan[Athan] is redundant as we have now watches.

    Just google on Al-Khwarzami, Al-Farghani ,Omar Khayyam , Al-Khujandi and see their contributions towards astrology. In 10th century Al-Khujandi measured earth tilt towords sun as 23o32’19″ and now with all those technology , they tell us 23o34′. Could not they measure moon psoitions ???

    Bottom line is that moon sighting is sunnah and we can not totally rely on science. In Islam , sunnah or following of his prophet is the most imp. thing(even if it does not make sense to you) than indluging in stupid debates .

    And I pray Allah shows us right path.

    Happy Eid to all Muslims world wide


  20. Faisal (unregistered) on October 24th, 2006 @ 9:32 am

    You have all gone certifiably bonkers……


  21. JAY (unregistered) on October 24th, 2006 @ 11:49 am

    Going back to Karachi is the best thing i can do on this EID!!! Chand Raat Mubarak to all.


  22. MB (unregistered) on October 24th, 2006 @ 12:25 pm

    @wasiq : ” MAMA KEHTI HAIN AAP NEY PRESIDENT SAB KA BOOK KHATAM NAHEIN KIA ISS LIAN AAP KO EID NAHEIN MILLA………. ”
    lol……..great…….

    yar kasam se tum logon ko sumjhana deewar per sar maarney ke barabar hai kasam se. the same arguments the same sunnat lecture and who is denying the contributions to Science. Captain’s Log bhai i think mai ab mazeed kuch kahonga toh aap ne phir bhi nahi sumujhna………. I think you all should listen to what the great scholor Javaid Ahmad Gamadi said in recent TV interview regarding moon sighting. Shayd ussi kee baat aap sab ke aqul-e-shareef mai ghus sakay…….. Even he thinks that seeing moon is as “dakianuusi” as any other pre-islam jahalat act. People are too blind in religion to see beyond the logics of sunnat and the limitations and restrictions. Some one please get Javaid Gamadi’s video and watch it.


  23. Rohail (unregistered) on October 24th, 2006 @ 1:28 pm

    Religion is based on faith and yes blind faith nobody has seen Allah have faith in him right and we dont need science to prove this do we, but if people now think that practising sunnah is like any other pre-islam jahalat act there is just no use discussing about this.


  24. MB (unregistered) on October 24th, 2006 @ 2:19 pm

    Rohail :
    Dear, Javaid Gamadi is still on AAJ TV telling people like you what should actually be followed. I quote what he has to say :
    ” Moonsighting has absolutely no link to the understanding of Sunnah ” It is purely a worldly act and should be taken as such and for reasons he has well described on recent TV appearences we should stop draging sunnah into this issue now.

    According to him, the announcement of EID should be (1) Handed over to astronomical scientist as they are they experts of that area
    (2) If not then the we should all follow whatever the Ruet-e-Hilal Committee says.

    Also, according to him if for example the committee does make any kind of mistake in their calculations, we as followers have absolutely no worry to have as we have followed the order of the “riyasat” and its responsible people designated for this purpose. And ALLAH (merciful) does know whom to take to task and whom to bless.


  25. MB (unregistered) on October 24th, 2006 @ 2:26 pm

    And for GOD’s sake, dont take things out of context. I know why we believe in GOD and that blindness was the refusal of our minds to think outside established lines. And now i am sure you will again try to enlighten me on “Hudood-ul-llah” etc. As i have said the biggest sunnah is to use the mind. Try to understand Islam today.


  26. Break the Rules (unregistered) on October 24th, 2006 @ 2:41 pm

    there is no need to complicate things when a simpler solution can be found, both for the sake of religion and practical logistics. A pre-determined establishment of the moon on a year-round basis is the need for a modern progressive society, not so that we can miss one roza, but so that there’s a reliable schedule to our lives. The constant uncertainly about the moon, while adding spontaneity and spice, does nothing to ensure a planned way of living.


  27. Kashif (unregistered) on October 24th, 2006 @ 2:52 pm

    Javaid Ahmad Gamadi, great religious scholar? RFOL


  28. Rohail (unregistered) on October 24th, 2006 @ 3:18 pm

    Dear MB
    Dont get me wrong i am no scholar to enlighten you on Hudood-ul-llah. Heard Jawed Ghamdi on Aaj TV and absolutely agree with him that we as a nation should follow the decision of Ruet Hilal Committee in this regard but one thing that i still disagree with is this statement:
    ” Moonsighting has absolutely no link to the understanding of Sunnah ”
    If sunnah has no link what is the authenticity of the sunah i m quoting here:
    Messenger (S) said: “Fast when you see the crescent. If it is obscured to you, then complete thirty days of Sha’aban. And break your fast when you see the crescent. If it is obscured to you then fast thirty days.” [Bukhaaree and Muslim]


  29. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on October 24th, 2006 @ 3:34 pm

    @MB: Chanda, Meray raaj dularay, more you speak things, more you are giving others reason to laugh at you. Why don’t you admit that you are desprate to watch a xxx movie? *wink*.

    Every religion is set of rules so is moon sighting is another rule. If you don’t follow or accept basics of a religion then fine nobody forces you to follow it but don;t come up with generlize moronic statment by painting everything as “Daqyanusi”. Sighting moon with naked eye is not a daqyanusi thing. GO and read the books rather wasting your time on this blog. But i see you are follower of Ghamdi so what could be said *grin*.

    The issue is in Pakistan only. Not every muslim country follow Saudia calender for moon sighting. The real issue is that govt failed to give a true status to Roiyet Hial comitte. Their function to collect the evidence is very weak and a provice always have issue to accept their decisions. I think Royat Hilal people should give a major share to provinces like Balochistan and NWFP to sort things out.


    Javaid Ahmad Gamadi, great religious scholar?

    Haan bhai when Altaf Hussain Bhai can be a religious scholar then why not Ghamdi?. Someone should read a bit about Ghamdi History. He was student of Ahsan Eslahi, one of the pioneers of Jamat-e-Islami who gave his own controversal interpretition of Surah Feel. Ghamdi also has worked closely to Molana Moududi, another Jamat figure who once said in his book that any person who follow a certain criteria can reach to status of “Nabi”/Prophet.


  30. JAY (unregistered) on October 24th, 2006 @ 6:58 pm

    How old is MB ???


  31. MB (unregistered) on October 24th, 2006 @ 8:10 pm

    Adnan :
    Since you cannot think beyond xxx movies so what can i say? You even don’t know the difference between an adult movie and a porn movie. My sympathy is with you. Waiting for the moon to appear is the worst of things to do & obviously time wastage when we know by calculations if it will appear or where would be its appearance. So bro try to understand the point dear instead of catching your fav word and roaming around it.

    The only thing that i could agree in your statement was the para related to Committee. And no need to tell us what Ghamadi is though its shameful you have , as was evident from that Altaf vs Ghamadi comparison, a pre determined bias against him. Its amazing how easily you could compare a terrorist with a person who tried to ( and he did succeed ) in providing the 21st century interpretation of Quran.

    His is obviously not liked by the ultra conservative lot who has made it their duty that religion wont be allowed to reinterpret or touched. And ghamadi has proved that religion according to time can be translated viz a viz whatever be the time.

    @Rohail :
    I guess you missed the point bro. When he says no link between the understandings it means there is no contradiction, the way mullah’s put it. The way we all put it. That science as if by default has made it to contradict what religion has said.


  32. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on October 24th, 2006 @ 9:45 pm

    @MB:i am just my toungue to express your mentality. Now since you sound very educated about movies. Would you like to enlighten us what are “adult” movies for you?


    And no need to tell us what Ghamadi is though its shameful

    as i said you have no idea about Ghamdi’s back ground. Go and ask your parents about Molana Moududi and Ahsan Islahi then come and argue with me. Just for a quick note, Ghamdi is one of those who offended Umar Bin Khattab and other companions and rejected their status.


    evident from that Altaf vs Ghamadi comparison

    You are right! Though I despise altaf much but unlikely i would like to give 4 more marks to Altaf for reciting the verses of Surah Nur properly on a TV channel.


    bias against him

    right now you seem bias towards ghamdi. Maybe I have read him more than you. Umm maybe I would have read his books? have you?


    could compare a terrorist

    Racism! umm do you belong to that BIG PROVINCE?

    ( and he did succeed ) in providing the 21st century interpretation of Quran.

    succeeded?but where? if your first rant is the product of his teachings which is making you to watch adult movie in ramdan then i really salue such *teachings*.


    His is obviously not liked by the ultra conservative

    oho now i am a right wing conservative. My son go and read history of ghamdi. As long as you don’t equip yourself with the background, its useless to discuss with you further. I tell you the keywords, Ahsan Islahi and Molana Modudi.

    The problem with Ahsan Islahi school of thought[ Ghamdi's mentor] that they consider Islam/religion as a subset of science while in reality science is subset of religion. Many thing science couldn’t prove few years back and Quran and bible had already mentioned it for instance of expansion of Universe which was discovered just in last century. Heck scientist are not even getting agreed to single value of “0″.

    MB, the day you figured this little fact then you will start liking such scholars. God bless you


  33. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on October 24th, 2006 @ 9:49 pm

    $r=str_replace(“toungue”,”tongue”)


  34. MB (unregistered) on October 25th, 2006 @ 6:52 am

    Adnan bro, you can find quite useful info about adult content and the resources are known to you.
    First of make some corrections dear. Even if Ghamadi has come from a JEW family, i am concerned about his own beliefs, and second since you dont seem to be convinced by him why dont you see what Dr. Javed Iqbal or What Dr. Mehdi has to say about the same issue. I hope you konw them as expertly as you do about Ghamadi. They have the same opinion. Thanks


  35. MB (unregistered) on October 25th, 2006 @ 7:18 am

    First of all **

    And yeah, my knowing about adult content has nothing to do with Mr. Ghamadi etc. At least get the point in its proper way insteading of making false links. I wont be amazed if you attribute the same for Dr. Javed Iqbal and Dr. Mehdi.


  36. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on October 25th, 2006 @ 10:04 am

    @MB: I didn’t call ghamdi a jew, you are calling him. You were simply suggested to make a read about his religious insititutes background and inpiration. If you want to keep the eyes closed then good for you,facts are not going to change. No false links were given. I aleady suggested you to ask your parents about Ahsan Islahi and molana modudi. They might be able to enligten you:)

    speaking of iqbal’s son ,everyone knows he’s a liberal and he doesnt believe in many Islamic views because they are beying human minds. For instance both Iqbal and his son jawed iqbal dont believe in concept of Hell and Paradise. Same is with Dr.Mehdi.

    You knew that both people were controversial thatswhy you brought them into discussion. One of the brother mentioned a clear hadith of Prophet(SAW) about moon sighting. If you consider hadiths not authentic source then fine bro, nobody is forcing to believe in it or even other Islamic sources.


  37. MB (unregistered) on October 25th, 2006 @ 4:04 pm

    I am quite impressed by the way you confidently mislead others.
    “I didn’t call ghamdi a jew, you are calling him “. My dear bro, where on earth i called him such. I would request you to read lines slowly and carefully. Just go up and read again.

    Anyways, this is quite new for me that Dr. Iqbal & Dr Mehdi according to you “dont believe in concept of Hell and Paradise ”

    Its also amazing that when i am reading your post i can see on my TV Dr Iqbal & Dr Mehdi clearly advocating the concept of Hell & Paradise. Its just that they argue its physical existence ( and also that hell is not permanent & Paradise is permanent, anyways) which is an interesting debate itself & obviously out of the context of this discussion.

    Since there is no point in giving you a list of great scholars one by one. May i humbly ask you to read The Great Iqbal himself or atleast his ” The Reconstruction of Religious Thought in Islam “. I won’t be amazed if you even come up with a point or two against him as well.

    Anyways, it’s a great day today. God bless you, EID MUBARAK to you and all.


  38. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on October 25th, 2006 @ 11:50 pm


    that they argue its physical existence ( and also that hell is not permanent & Paradise is permanent, anyways

    As ususual MB you couldn’t grasp my point. When I said “Concept” it was clearly mentinoed that they dont believe in Hell and paradise which is mentioned in Quran.

    Truly Hell is as a place of ambush,(Quran 78:21 )

    “Place”- The physical region not a condition that would be faced by souls after death.


    And on the Day of Resurrection thou (Muhammad) seest those who lied concerning Allah with their faces blackened. Is not the home of the scorners in hell?(Quran 39:60)

    Hadith:


    The Prophet(SAW) said,The awnings of Hell have four thick walls, each wall a distance of forty years(Tirmizi)

    So the debate which is “Interesting” for you is nothing but sign of arrogance of those guys while they themselves have read things clearly in Quran and rejecting anything from Quran means you are OUT of Islam. Read it ,its mentioned in Quran.

    I don’t have to say further to refute those two PHds. Problem with people like you tht they get impressed so much when someone holds Phd degree or talk a bit about science and it all happens when we stay away from source. When quran clearly describes something then I don’t need some xyz’s interpetition of Quran or beliving in them. Please try to spend your time reading Quran yourself rather depending on interpetition of others.


    giving you a list of great scholars one by one

    When ignorance is the bliss it’s folly to be a wise. When you have decided that you would follow something blindly then wht could I say? carry on. someday you come out of ignorance and like to read further about yours scholars , then you would start disliking them. Speaking of Iqbal, its stupid to compare iqbal with his son or with that ghamdi. Do you claim that you have read entire Iqbal? i don’t claim i have read iqbal a lot but still i know few things without any doubt like I know Iqbal used to follow a person as Murshid for his religious inspiration. Do you know it?


    obviously out of the context of this discussion.

    you already made all off the topic rants and my mistake was that i tried to stop you from the thing which I thought would be bad for you and arguments kept extending. I am not a saint but whatever I knew or try to follow, i thought to tell you, thts all muslims are ordered, to tell good things to your muslim fellows. I think i have to say further, yes it would be good if you do listen others. I kept saying you to read about ghamdi’s mentor but you kept coming to me to discuss same thing again and again and it’s not good thing at all.


  39. MB (unregistered) on October 26th, 2006 @ 11:02 am

    Adnan brother. I guess the issue is the interpretation of Quran as the words like place and home containg physical meanings to you.

    Since i dont have a habit of giving long lectures, unless required. And quoting few hadith or verses dont impress untill two people agree on same meaning of that verse or hadith.

    And yes for sure you think you know good deal more than Ghamadi, Dr. Iqbal, Dr Mehdi Dr. Allama Iqbal, Sir Syed , Jamal-uddin Afghani may be even. You expertise , one after another post have confirmed which circle you belong to. And yeah, thanks for telling me few “good things”.

    And i was pretty on spot and on the topic when i had said i will go about doing any other thing rather then wasting hours seeing the moon to appear. Your habit of misleading just wont go. Will it ?.


  40. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on October 27th, 2006 @ 6:57 pm

    *sigh*

    @MB: as i said above, when Ignorance IS the bliss, its folly to be a wise. Nobody gets hurt if you follow some goddamn person rather orignal sources. I am not one of them. You reminded me an ueducated villager of distant area who follows a peer more than a prophet and then in the end gets screwed by that peer. if youa re not aware of such peers then do make a read of BLASPHEMY written by Themina Durrani. It might open your eyes.

    That was my mistake that I coudn’t figure you out earlier. Other readers were right about who used to criticized on your posts and comments. Keep appearing as a racist and ignorant, it’s fun to enjoy your pain.


  41. MB (unregistered) on October 27th, 2006 @ 9:14 pm

    May GOD have mercy on you friend. Your personal attacks are much of a fun than annoyance.


  42. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on October 28th, 2006 @ 2:45 pm

    mb no personal attack, you does appear racist when you make lunatic comments about urdu speaking people or mqm[which is not different than other parties]. You always hide your political association because you know the day you expose it you will be virtually “taken” by others. What I said is not my own personal statment anyway. I siad what some others said as well. Hope you understand this. Good bye and keep holding the tail of Ghamdi and others like wise *wink*


  43. MB (unregistered) on October 28th, 2006 @ 4:56 pm

    bhai meray ALLAH ke karam se koi political association nahi, kionki koi es laaiq nahi. Second aap befiker ho ker wo kahain jo aap ko kehna hai. Others know how to deliver their own message.


  44. saima Nasir (unregistered) on October 30th, 2006 @ 8:11 am

    MB,

    Forget Ghamdi and Maudodi and read TEHMINA DURRANI as Adnan Siddiqui is suggesting…..Nobody knows more about Islam than him ( no pun intended)!!!!!!


  45. Adnan (unregistered) on October 30th, 2006 @ 8:30 am

    Saima i am happy that you still love me.

    p.s: Tehmina durrani has no relation with Islam. The book was suggested about fake peers. Anyway thanks for your love.


  46. JIA (unregistered) on October 30th, 2006 @ 8:32 am

    HEY ,Y IS EVERY ONE FIGHTING WITH ADNAN??? AFTER ALL HE’S RIGHT! JIA.QURESHI@HOTMAIL.COM


  47. saima Nasir (unregistered) on October 30th, 2006 @ 8:52 am

    JIA.QURESHI,

    Thats what i said Adnan Siddiqui is always right (again no pun intended)

    Adnan,

    Love is too small a word or emotion….I am in AWE of your knowledge about religion(s) and (Choice and rejection of) religious scholars……every word of yours is a pearl of wisdom which I collect and ponder on and have learned a great deal (no pun inteded)!!!! keep expressing yourself ….it really helps mortals like us……no kidding….I am dead serious….!!!!!


  48. MB (unregistered) on October 30th, 2006 @ 11:02 am

    @SAIMA NASIR :-
    hahahah…
    Okay I respect your opinion (no pun inteded )


  49. Adnan (unregistered) on October 30th, 2006 @ 11:33 am

    saima, i thought you would have quit the habbit of trolling but oh.. my bad.

    I often disagree with the scholars who I think are learned. As i said that I am not one of those village woman who follows a peer blindly and prefers him more than a Prophet or God just because he appears more reasonable to him. If this is something unusual to you then I can’t help you out. I didn’t stop anyone to follow some xyz blindly.

    It doesn’t matter me a bit you make fun or not. Anyway thanks again that you still miss me. Keep trolling and have fun.


  50. Adnan (unregistered) on October 30th, 2006 @ 11:48 am

    Jia, I dont think anyone here is fighting, it’s just they are not agreeing with me and it’s quite natural. Their reaction might be severe because they prefer to be in state of Intertia like their ancestors and start reacting severely if someone says something which is against their ideology.

    Such thing happened long time back when a person in Arabia claimed as a Prophet and introduced a new religion. People of that time(jews/christians) had believed that they were damn right hence were not ready to accept new things and prefered to live in dreams. They still follow same path[ pope's statment]. Such things happen in world. Not everyone gets ready to accept and listen new things and prefer to follow old path. Enjpy the moments like I enjoy. Have fun =)


  51. Adnan (unregistered) on October 30th, 2006 @ 12:09 pm

    Jia,Before some of them blame tht I am comparing myself with a Prophet, let me clarify for such thick brains that here I am explaining that when people didn’t miss chance to blame Prophet and disagreed with them then I am just an ordinary human being.


  52. saima Nasir (unregistered) on October 30th, 2006 @ 5:13 pm

    Adnan,

    Great to read some more wise thoughts of yours and don’t ever degrade your esteemed self by comparing to the “village woman”…you belong to the higher circle of “village clergy”…..the global village…i mean this world…universe…see I told you…I am in awe of you.


  53. Farah Naz (unregistered) on October 30th, 2006 @ 6:49 pm

    ah!chaand raat.it is as boring as my eid.zyada se zyada i sit n watch t.v bt i loathe going out in dis dhukum pael n al u get is frustration.so beter stay home n RELAX!!!


  54. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on October 31st, 2006 @ 12:10 am

    farah what kinda chand raat are you celebrating now? :D


  55. farah naz (unregistered) on November 5th, 2006 @ 6:33 pm

    mr adnan m nt currently celebrating chand raat but i wuz describing my usual way of celebrating it.first think bfore criticising others!



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