Musical Nights, Karchiite culture?

Been to a “mehndi” (on a weekday) recently.
After the “rasms” and the “khaana”, a musical night was organized by the hosts, which started off pretty good and ended… Do not know when. It was 4 and the performers seemed fully charged in front of the yawning audience.

Made a slip and ran back to home wondering: “Is that becoming a culture to have musical nights as a series of wedding celebrations, in Karachi?”
(Is it same all over the country?)

46 Comments so far

  1. Anathema (unregistered) on November 1st, 2006 @ 11:24 pm

    actually i think it is:
    1. becoming a norm in wedding celebrationns. unlesss there are the lot who realise too many functions are a waste of good money
    2. its becoming a part across the country


  2. MB (unregistered) on November 1st, 2006 @ 11:51 pm

    ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ANATHEMA


  3. Hasan Mubarak (unregistered) on November 1st, 2006 @ 11:52 pm

    For those who can afford, yes, it’s becoming common throughout in Lahore, Faisalabad, everywhere in Pakistan!


  4. Yahya (unregistered) on November 1st, 2006 @ 11:54 pm

    Unaiza, are you getting married? We have kinda figured it out already but it would be nice if you can confirm this.


  5. Adnan V (unregistered) on November 2nd, 2006 @ 12:09 am

    CONGRATS :d !!


  6. Adnan V (unregistered) on November 2nd, 2006 @ 12:11 am

    CONGRATS :d


  7. MB (unregistered) on November 2nd, 2006 @ 1:30 am

    ” Unaiza, are you getting married? We have kinda figured it out already but it would be nice if you can confirm this. ”

    I knew something like this is coming Unaiza’s way. and i think in my email to our author’s mailing list I had send a similar comment.


  8. Aussi_Paki (unregistered) on November 2nd, 2006 @ 4:13 am

    Awkward eh? Each to their own. I wouldn’t spend that much on a wedding. How about feed some poor people with that money and pray to Allah for the health and love of your family. Another reason is, I don’t have much in Pakistan except my grandparents, so who to invite is always going to be an issue :(.

    Why do a lot of youth today see only “hala gulla” as life? Just curious to know. Unless after moving overseas I have a lack of social life and hence all my time is devoted to my studies/work/family.

    No offense intended. I think people can do better than that:).


  9. TheRepublicOfPakistan (unregistered) on November 2nd, 2006 @ 7:57 am

    @Aussi_Paki: Didn’t you know they are “Modern” and “Progressive”, and yea don’t mention “Religion”,”Islam” or “Allah” it kinda offends them. And yeaaa just don’t take it personally when they call you “Mullah”, “Backward”, “Relic”, “Fascist”, “Extremist”, I know there are others but you get my point.
    How dare I say that, I can’t go around telling people what to do, they live in a free country and chose to do what ever they want. RIGHT? Did I miss anything?


  10. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on November 2nd, 2006 @ 9:31 am


    I wouldn’t spend that much on a wedding.

    Let’s see! *grin*.


  11. Haseeb A (unregistered) on November 2nd, 2006 @ 9:42 am

    khuwaaaar wannabes


  12. Haseeb A (unregistered) on November 2nd, 2006 @ 9:50 am

    Mehndi per koi iPOD to nahi bech raha tha purana?


  13. Kashif (unregistered) on November 2nd, 2006 @ 9:55 am

    so, planning to have a musical night too?


  14. Mona (unregistered) on November 2nd, 2006 @ 10:36 am

    I guess its part of the STATUS symbol in Pakistan – from what I know of Pakistan :P

    It’s very strange how when people move countries and cling to the good ol’ cultural values :) where as people back home are just after americanisation :P

    I gather minority can afford such extra stuff there – and may be this is an ever increasing gap between the poor and the rich.


  15. Faisal (unregistered) on November 2nd, 2006 @ 11:18 am

    Pray tell,

    How is holding a musical night considered
    “americanisation”?


  16. Mona (unregistered) on November 2nd, 2006 @ 12:00 pm

    Mate, I was referring to change in cultural values in GENERAL! HUH!


  17. Aussi_Paki (unregistered) on November 2nd, 2006 @ 4:06 pm

    @TheRepublicOfPakistan

    Completely agree with you. Thank God someone held my view. I was almost ready for some bagging of my “outrageous” views of the current Pakistani youth, living in Pakistan. =/


  18. Yahya (unregistered) on November 2nd, 2006 @ 4:38 pm

    @Aussi_Paki

    So you are one of those who go with the Australian sheikh who said women ask for rape. No wonder everyone in west is starting to believe that Mulsims are crazy. Think you can last 10 years like that over there? I am beginning to doubt.


  19. ABC (unregistered) on November 2nd, 2006 @ 4:39 pm

    So you are one of those who go with the Australian sheikh who said women ask for rape. No wonder everyone in west is starting to believe that Mulsims are crazy. Think you can last 10 years like that over there? I am beginning to doubt.


  20. KhiTorPit (unregistered) on November 2nd, 2006 @ 6:21 pm

    When it comes to wedding I like these native American and Canadian ppl, they dont waste money on their wedding like us, mostly I have seen the bride and groom, they go to a park along with a couple of friends, take pict. put a ring and go to their home … thats it. khallas.
    Islam also teaches us simplicity but its our culture and society which makes us all to show off our wealth and status.

    Guys!! tell me, who are with me … not to get any kind of Jahez (laanat) for them ???


  21. ABC (unregistered) on November 2nd, 2006 @ 7:08 pm

    test


  22. Yahya (unregistered) on November 2nd, 2006 @ 7:14 pm

    Aussi_Paki, so you are one of those who go with the Australian sheikh who said women ask for rape. Think you can last 10 years like that over there? I am beginning to doubt.


  23. Yahya (unregistered) on November 2nd, 2006 @ 7:15 pm

    Aussi, so you are one of those who go with the Australian sheikh who said women ask for it!. Think you can last 10 years like that over there? I am beginning to doubt.


  24. TheRepublicOfPakistan (unregistered) on November 2nd, 2006 @ 7:25 pm

    That’s the problem, when ever you try to tell them that we are not progressing or becoming modern the only criteria they come back for such things is oh we have parties, we go out and date, we wear “Modern” cloths. Here and in other places you will see people talk about dating spots or where is the party on Saturday night, how to get a girl to go with you etc etc but as soon as you mention anything remotely Islamic or object to such behaviors by Muslim youth you are labeled a “Mullah” and dismissed. If this is how much we value Islam in our life than heck why not just convert or become atheist. Cauz apparently the only thing that matters is “What I want”, “It’s My life”. Than there are people “Oh I love Islam, I can die for it”, it’s easy to die but hard to live and implement Islam in your life. When was the last time you gave/took a bribe?, When was the last time asked some one not to take a bribe? When was the last time you stopped someone from harassing a girl? When was the last time you told your bf/gf that you can’t make out because you are Muslim? When was the last time you asked your friend to stop boasting about how many girls he had? Be honest with your self and ask is this how much your faith matters to you? Even if you are not doing things like that you know people who are, and just keeping in your mind and thinking its wrong is not going to help any more. You need to get involved and reject these things strongly and vocally. I know that some of you don’t like me posting such things but it needs to be said.
    Sahi-Bukhari 6:60:377
    Narrated By: Jubair bin Mut’im
    Translations By:Dr Muhammad Muhsin Khan
    I heard the Prophet reciting Surat At-Tur in the Maghrib prayer, and when he reached the Verse:’Were they created by nothing, Or were they themselves the creators, Or did they create the Heavens and the Earth? Nay, but they have no firm belief Or do they own the treasures of Your Lord? Or have they been given the authority to do as they like…’ (52.35-37) my heart was about to fly (when I realized this firm argument).


  25. TheRepublicOfPakistan (unregistered) on November 2nd, 2006 @ 7:42 pm

    @Yahya: Do you have any other arugument besides Mullah this or Sheikh this. You can not justify one wrong with another wrong. I am sorry if you got molested or something by a “Molvie” as a kid but it’s not just the Molvies who have to follow Islam. Aussie may or may not agree with the Sheikh but similarly do you agree with a prostitute about how it is liberation for her to sell her body for money. Or a Muslim guy/girl that it’s freedom for them to commit zinah. I hope you don’t. In short come up with a better argument and start using your brain. and OH yea your fav “Why Does every thing has to become about religion” and lets c if you can get this thru ur head “Because for a Muslim Everything is”
    p.s I am not gonna go away so better learn to deal with it


  26. ash (unregistered) on November 3rd, 2006 @ 2:24 am

    There is no culture in any country which doesnt incorporate music in their celebrations. Had you said is this our religion however then republic would quite correctly have said how dare you ? :)
    (although religion has quite often been called the opium of the people…oh but never mind that)

    How many people on this site remeber when karachi had casino’s and free alchohol? I am not saying thats a fantastic thing i am just saying that in the 60’s our “culture’ was in many ways a thousand times more “westernized” whether you see that as good or bad.

    Lastly, come on , i dont remember the 60’s but i do remember the 80’s and even under zia’s time you could hardly go to wedding without being almost forced to sing and dance. Yes that is absolutely part of our multilayered culture.

    Gentle suggestion – lets keep the disagreement somewhat less personal.


  27. hello there (unregistered) on November 3rd, 2006 @ 3:18 am

    hmm am i being censored?


  28. Mona (unregistered) on November 3rd, 2006 @ 5:20 am

    @Yahya:

    So silly! WHO would go with that idiot sheikh! lol Australian sheike haha sounds funny to me!

    Well Aussie Paki was merely saying how its good to help the poor rather than have extravagant events!

    NOW, WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE SHEIKE???


  29. ash (unregistered) on November 3rd, 2006 @ 7:03 am

    wow my original post got banned or something
    1. karachi used to have casino’s and legal alchohol back in the 60’s so clearly being “western” is really old news, so old infact that it is as part of our culture as anything else. Culture is a dynamic thing ofcourse, otherwise the whole world would have the same original cave man culture.
    2. music is part of culture in every single country and has been for ever, and actually will be forever.
    3. Now religion, as republic will tell you, frowns on many cultural practises…but culture especially ours is more multidimensional, in that you can join or abstain and still be 100% pakistani or from karachi or such.
    4. lastly from what i can tell we are not communists correct? so noone is going to give all their money to the poor for nothing (too bad, i really thought communism had some good stuff), how does the economy improve in capitalist (or “open” economies?) BY RICH PEOPLE SPENDING.
    So dont blow a fuse when you see it happening, it helps society a lot more than old school feudals who sit on their land and gold and never put it into circulation.


  30. (lets try again.) ash. (unregistered) on November 3rd, 2006 @ 7:06 am

    wow my original post got banned TWICE. whats with the thought police?
    1. karachi used to have casino’s and legal alchohol back in the 60’s so clearly being “western” is really old news, so old infact that it is as part of our culture as anything else. Culture is a dynamic thing ofcourse, otherwise the whole world would have the same original cave man culture.
    2. music is part of culture in every single country and has been for ever, and actually will be forever.
    3. Now religion, as republic will tell you, frowns on many cultural practises…but culture especially ours is more multidimensional, in that you can join or abstain and still be 100% pakistani or from karachi or such.
    4. lastly from what i can tell we are not communists correct? so noone is going to give all their money to the poor for nothing (too bad, i really thought communism had some good stuff), how does the economy improve in capitalist (or “open” economies?) BY RICH PEOPLE SPENDING.
    So dont blow a fuse when you see it happening, it helps society a lot more than old school feudals who sit on their land and gold and never put it into circulation.


  31. Aussi_Paki (unregistered) on November 3rd, 2006 @ 10:08 am

    @Yahya

    Firstly I am a girl :). Secondly, that Sheikh sucks. He is completely wrong. What made you think I was pro sheikh? I am pro giving money to the poor rather than wasting.


  32. TheRepublicOfPakistan (unregistered) on November 3rd, 2006 @ 8:35 pm

    @Ash: No one is saying that the feudal system helps, in my opinion pakistan should have done the same thing as what India did after Independence and had all these “Wanna B Gods” kicked out.
    now for “how does the economy improve in capitalist” that is never the case, no economy on this planet is purely capitalist, all of them need to have either socialist or some other form of ideology infused in them. That is because a Capitalist society on its own can never last, governments always need to have some sort of control over such markets i.e regulations, min wage etc.
    @Aussi_Paki: Ooops sorry, I think I was referring to you as a he.


  33. ash (unregistered) on November 4th, 2006 @ 2:59 am

    republic,
    yes we in particular are not totally capitalist at all, but spending means someone poorer is earning! lets not forget that!
    Also the stupider and more extravagant the expense the more money is spread around, if you but say gold thats not as good for the economy b/c you switch your mode of fixed asset.
    You spend on a musical evening ? you threw your money away and the poor guys running around for you earned it.
    Also, come on , lets not start get judgemental on what is stupid spending unless its our own money we are crying about.


  34. TheRepublicOfPakistan (unregistered) on November 4th, 2006 @ 9:57 am

    BTW I didn’t know about the mufti’s remark earlier to say anything about it. But as far as I can tell and what I have read, I don’t see anything wrong with him making that comparison. There are 2 reasons for it, 1st these are the same people who said there was noting wrong with portraying our prophet as a terrorist in there cartoons, so if a mufti made this comment than why are they making such a big deal about it. 2nd reason how is it that no calls for resignations are made and no uproar from the media happens when veiled women are compared to caged animals. Why use such a double standard? Just because when western values are questioned we are suppose to be all upset but when Islamic values are trashed around no one gives a damn and we are just called backward. I haven’t heard main stream media to call on Israel to stop the murder of Palestinians lately and how many times did Pat Robertson apologized? At least in the U.S all you see is a 2 min clip and than you are back to the cat stuck in a tree news (not literally but you get my point, unless the cat got scared of a Muslim).

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1939300,00.html how is that for women’s right or human rights for that matter.


  35. Mariam (unregistered) on November 4th, 2006 @ 10:38 am

    Some people do not realize arranging a musical evening do help some hard working folks aka our underpaid artists. I’ve fond memories of such musical functions when everyone including neighbors was invited and we all had fun as hosts usually arrange it on a weekend night. It was a bit musical and standup comedian’s kind a thing and I met some of our countries finest nameless artists at such events.

    Ash,

    You have excellent points.

    TheRepublicOfPakistan,

    Is it intentional that you forgot to mention Lebanon, I suppose it’s not that they happen to belong to a wrong sect. I’m still waiting to hear some Mullah to take a fatwah against Saudis who are restricting women around Kabbadue to some Men who can’t keep their hands to themselves. BTW, if there is a space is an issue then why not they restrict Men and let Women pray around Kabba.


  36. ash (unregistered) on November 4th, 2006 @ 10:54 am

    OH MY GOD. Republic you dont know what the guy said which i hope is the reason why you tried defending him.

    He said essentially that women are meat and asked to get raped/attacked (or whatever… meat that gets eaten by a cat what does that mean to you ? romance?)if they dont wear a niqab/purdah.

    I know from your prior posts that you dont support degrading women so its not really possible that you defended that argument.

    I dont care how pissed off mr mullah is by the danes, israeli’s, his mother, his life – his words express the hatred he has for women and that is completely intolerable.

    I am so embarrased by that idiot, and idiots like him, this is why we cant let them dress up in holy robes. They are garbage..complete garbage (the ones like him)…listening to a dog barking is more sensible than listening to them about anything.

    I agree with peaceful demonstrations about the danish cartoons, there is always a way to dissent without being a total fool.
    We cant kill all nonmuslims nor should we want to, people who have no respect for their own faiths are not going to suddenly have respect for ours, lets be realistic and not expect pigs to fly for us. Specially when its us living in their countries, mullah double standard doesnt hate australian culture when he’s sick and being treated by their doctors. Why doesnt he go live in tora bora? and abuse that beautiful health care system.

    Just by the way, does the mullah realise that some men are gay? Maybe he should wear purdah too, to avoid being eaten.


  37. Mariam (unregistered) on November 4th, 2006 @ 12:11 pm

    TheRepublicOfPakistan

    Do we Muslim Women have any Rights :))?

    Don’t tell me that it’s women fault when some men can’t control themselves. This is recent trend which is becoming popular among Men. The same thing as I mentioned above Saudi’s are doing by restricting women at Kabba as some men can’t control themselves from groping a praying women who are covered. Now this is a nice example to punish us just cause we are not men. I agree space is tight but how about letting women pray near Kabba and men remain behind.


  38. TheRepublicOfPakistan (unregistered) on November 4th, 2006 @ 11:14 pm

    @Ash: “He said essentially that women are meat” I am sorry but I think you forgot to mention immodestly dressed women. And yes if he said that than it is not any different from what some of the feminist groups had been fighting for in the fashion industry and I am sure I can find some quotes but they were asking for them to stop displaying women as meat. But no outrage about that. Now I have not read what you are saying but I have read things similar to that, I haven’t read that he was asking for Women to where burqa. As far as his words expressing hate, I think if they do express hate it is toward the act of wearing immodest dress not toward women and yes there is a difference. I,e just because my dad hates for me to sit in front of the PC all day doesn’t mean that he hates me, he only hates the act.

    @ Mariam: I am sorry that you feel that Muslim women have no rights, but the guys was talking about modesty and I don’t know how any Muslim Man or Woman defend wearing immodest cloths. You may not want to follow it but you can not come and defend such a thing either. I don’t really care for the argument that “just because men can not control them selves”, especially if its coming from Muslims, and the reason is that I for me my whole reason for doing or not doing something is based on Islam, and things like Modesty for both men and women are clearly stated in the Quran so there is no IF or BUT for me in that. But yes one can debate about if face, hands and feet are supposed to be covered or not (I am not going to say anything about that due to lack of knowledge.) But things like low cut dresses, tight shirts and jeans, small skirts and things of that nature should be obvious to a Muslim as not allowed. PS: don’t know much about the Kaaba issue, I have to look in to it before I can say anything, btw this is not something by the “Progressive Muslims” i.e amina wadud type, cauz sorry to say but I am not a big fan, if that’s the case than I would be a little hesitant to support cauz I think her groups agenda is not just getting women there rights (Islamic rights that is), and please don’t start a debate on her ÔÅä

    Yes Ash you are right I am against degrading women, but for me things like immodesty are pretty simple, if it was allowed in Islam I would say fine but because it is not allowed I am not going to say it ok its there choice. It may be there choice but it is not OK.
    Other argument not from a religious perspective but just merely observation and logic. His comments were not just about women BTW, he said if I may, “If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it … whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat?” There are 2 parts to it, uncovered meat and cats. We obviously agree that uncovered meat is meant to be women dressed immodestly (according to Islam that is). How come we should be so pissed and mad about comparing women to meat but it is ok for men to be compared to animals. Where are the calls for heads when some one calls “All men are dogs”. Just a question?
    Now granted if he meant that all the blame lies on the woman than I don’t agree with him, if a guy has committed rape than he will be punished for it period. But he didn’t get in to hot water in the media because of that, it was the “Meat” comparison that got people upset. It is surprising that a president is calling for his resignation when there are countless others in the west who have tried to make similar arguments; I see that there are similar buttons that can be pushed to get the west all upset. Is it just me or everyone to blind to see the irony and hypocrisy in the west.


  39. TheRepublicOfPakistan (unregistered) on November 5th, 2006 @ 3:37 am

    Hmm i guess its taking a long time for comments to post.


  40. ash (unregistered) on November 5th, 2006 @ 6:09 am

    mariam,

    You are completely spot on. So many people who preach modesty, religious virtues etc just say those things to use them as a smoke screen.

    How come prayer is important but restricting women from praying is o.k? Too bad they cant even say the women asked for it as its the kaaba where everyone wears a hijab/niqab

    Sadly for all muslims everywhere the govt. of Saud decided a long time ago that women are 5th rate citizens, too undeserving to be allowed to vote drive or apparently now even pray.

    Its so true what v.wolfe wrote, women need to be weak so weak men can feel strong. Its pathetic how many men in power are still so insecure. I think the vast majority of educated people – men and women – see how wrong and false these concepts are. But if you cant even question whats happening you cant change things.

    Typical mullahs. Hypocrites first. Muslims second. Few exceptions to that rule.


  41. Yahya (unregistered) on November 5th, 2006 @ 6:44 am

    “how about letting women pray near Kabba and men remain behind.”

    Can’t do that. Who knows you may ask to become imam next…said the Mullah.


  42. TheRepublicOfPakistan (unregistered) on November 5th, 2006 @ 12:46 pm

    hmm how come my posts are not going thru? which liberal did i piss off now ;)


  43. TheRepublicOfPakistan (unregistered) on November 5th, 2006 @ 12:53 pm

    “So many people who preach modesty, religious virtues etc just say those things to use them as a smoke screen.” again with the allegations, same thing can be said about people who promote anything else.


  44. TheRepublicOfPakistan (unregistered) on November 5th, 2006 @ 12:59 pm

    @Ash: “I am so embarrased by that idiot, and idiots like him” I hope you felt the same way about the Pope and his comments.
    I hope my other comments make it in otherwise these are going to look odd.


  45. ash (unregistered) on November 5th, 2006 @ 1:55 pm

    Most religious “leaders” suffer the same afflictions, so true to form the pope is clearly either demented or highly vindictive. Thank God we are not mandated to have any “leaders” at all

    i said
    So many people who preach modesty, religious virtues etc just say those things to use them as a smoke screen.”
    you said
    again with the allegations, same thing can be said about people who promote anything else

    what does that mean? that its o.k to be a liar and a fool because other people do it too? Thats o.k logic, but why take religious instructions from fools and liars?

    I didnt see the other posts you talked about


  46. TheRepublicOfPakistan (unregistered) on November 6th, 2006 @ 4:17 am

    @Ash: “what does that mean? That its o.k to be a liar and a fool because other people do it too? Thats o.k logic, but why take religious instructions from fools and liars?” nope What I meant was that you can not make such accusation and pass it of as an argument because all you were saying is people who preach use religion as a smoke screen. This was not an argument, merely an allegation, which can also be alleged about anyone.

    PS: I guess the other posts got chopped of or something.



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