Education Abroad

Daily Times reported today about a Two-Day Exhibition of Foriegn Universities in Karachi. Nothing new, exhibitions like this happen all the time. But it makes me sad whenever I look at the list of participating universities/colleges. Heres an excerpt taken from the article.

The institutions included, the University of Sunderland, City of Sunderland College, Leicester College of Technology UK, British Institute of Technology and E-Commerce, London School of Science and Technology, UK, the Preston International College, LASALLE-SIA College of the Arts Singapore and the Asia Pacific University College of Technology and Innovation, which was a Malaysian entity.

There is not a single name in the above list which I have heard/read of in world rankings. Infact, on my several visits to the UK, I have found many of the above mentioned names to be bogus colleges and atleast one of them operating in a 2 room building. I do realise the purpose of these colleges. They are used to get an entry into the UK, and later students get involved in full time work as security agents (the primary job that most Pakistani students involve in), retail shops, sales on streets etc etc. They definately offer a handsome pay when you convert your sterlings into rupees.

My point here is why do the Ivys, Oxbridge etc don’t come to Pakistan to attract students? Oxbridge I am not sure about, but the Ivys have been participating in exhibitions in China, probably because its a bigger market. My plea to all Karachiites, is to inquire about the college/university that they are headed to before applying there ie if they really want to study there and just not ‘get out of Karachi’.

20 Comments so far

  1. YO YO (unregistered) on November 15th, 2006 @ 9:09 pm

    SUFI..dont be sad…And think a famous college does not need to market itself. People go to it regardless.

    Its the smaller universities who have to do all the marketing.


  2. Sufi (unregistered) on November 15th, 2006 @ 9:22 pm

    Catharine R. Stimpson, dean of the Graduate School of Arts and Science at New York University, said N.Y.U. was reaching out more than it had.

    “With the rise of global competition, which is really acute,” Dr. Stimpson said, “we can no longer assume that we are the primary destination for international students.”

    She added that this year the graduate school sent a vice dean to a recruitment fair in Shanghai.

    “In my eight years as graduate dean at N.Y.U.,” she said, “this was the first time we have sent a graduate school official outside of the United States and its territories explicitly for recruiting.”


  3. Kashif (unregistered) on November 15th, 2006 @ 10:08 pm

    IllusionFS is now Sufi?


  4. Sin (unregistered) on November 15th, 2006 @ 10:19 pm

    Ivy league universities and Oxbridge don’t come here because they can more than sufficiently make up a very solid student body from their currently existing applicant pool, as well as just their local applicants. Note though, that this is the dean of a graduate programme speaking.

    Graduate students are a whole different game. They’re cheap labour in that they substitute for teachers/professors in exchange for a minor reduction in course fees), in the way they function as excellent researchers for more senior staff–it’s easier and more fiscally savvy to assign work to a grad student than to hire a trained assistant. Hence, it’s worth a university’s while to have a fair number of them.

    Additionally, the number of applicants to graduate schools outside of MBA and JD programmes has never been superlatively high–most people can’t afford MA and MSc degrees (which are effectively free cash for universities, since most won’t provide funding for such a programme to any great extent), so it’s another cash cow. Despite the great focus on education, money remains a key driver in motivating what universities do and why. It doesn’t help any that Pakistan only has a handful of truly internationally recognised high-schools, colleges and universities, whereas countries like China are pumping out highly qualified, academic juggernauts by the tonne.


  5. danny (unregistered) on November 15th, 2006 @ 11:34 pm

    The University of Pennsylania (which is an Ivy) comes to Pakistan and India every year. An admissions officer from UPenn was in Karachi a couple months ago. They don’t advertise in the newspaper and usually visit schools directly.


  6. Mona (unregistered) on November 16th, 2006 @ 2:30 am

    Same here in Australia, by the looks of it people do not find out as much about uni’s and go to uni’s which locals wouldn’t want to go to… or at least if you’re a good student. As they say, grass is always greener on the other side.


  7. sucker (unregistered) on November 16th, 2006 @ 8:44 am

    those of you who are considering us cheap labor
    just try to step out of Pakistan and you will see the real word.
    you will see how difficult it is to pay international fees on your own…..its a
    day to day to fight we don’t sit in our sweet home wasting whole night in front of computer screen with no tension of financial issues..

    when you goanna spent 12 hours in night shift
    standing at a gas station you will forget every thing …
    my dear survival is every thing here………
    welcome to USA


  8. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on November 16th, 2006 @ 9:11 am


    IllusionFS is now Sufi?

    Following what Mush recently wished; Promote Sufism in Pakistan. *grin*

    Sooner or later, Dr.Sher Afgan will like to be called as Sufi Sher Afgan and Durrani as Sufi Muhammad Ali Durrani.


  9. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on November 16th, 2006 @ 9:26 am

    or maybe IllsionFS has started using SUFI BATH SOAP instead of life Buoy?


  10. Sufi (unregistered) on November 16th, 2006 @ 9:27 am

    Thanks for all of your responses everyone.

    Sin, I kind of agree with you. But my point is just not about ivys, I meant that if students from here are going to get education from a foreign institute, they should make sure that it is from a reputable institute.

    Sucker: I know how hard it is my friend, but then you chose this for yourself right. Or did anyone imposed on you? Its just a temporary phase, it will be over. :)

    Adnan: Kabhi koi relevant baat ki hai tum nay iss forum par?


  11. Adnan (unregistered) on November 16th, 2006 @ 10:48 am

    Sufi: Kabhi koi relevant posts kisi ne ki hey is forum par?


  12. llama (unregistered) on November 16th, 2006 @ 1:11 pm

    With internet access available to most educated people here, there is really no excuse for them to get suckered into applying at third-rate or bogus universities. The students (and their families) who wish go to abroad need to do their research.


  13. Umer Zaman (unregistered) on November 16th, 2006 @ 2:48 pm

    I believe the reason why the IVYs dont recruit here is cause they dont need to. Firstly its not there responsibility to help us in any way, 2ndly they get enough applications from Pakistan & india anyways.. why would they wanna get out and recruit.

    i complete agree with Sufi, going abroad and living a hard life to earn money to pay your tuition is your own personal decision. If they treat you like cheap labour then maybe thats wat you choose to be. I had to go through it too for some time but i believe theres nothing wrong in it, you become much more patient and definately learn alot. again as he said, its a phase.. it’ll be over hopefully soon..

    my personal request: once you have your degree, come back home and work for this country pls.


  14. Monkey (unregistered) on November 16th, 2006 @ 3:12 pm

    IVY’s do hold seminars in Pakistan, but unfortunately only for postgraduate programmes, not undergrad.


  15. Kashif Lakhani (unregistered) on November 16th, 2006 @ 5:06 pm

    Hi to all i am new in karachi metroblogging, just read the above thread and wanted to inform Mr Sufi that University of Sunderland and City of Sunderland College both are genuine. Regarding the world ranking, University of Sunderland, has a world ranking in Pharmacy.

    I live in UK, Newcastle a city which is only 15 minutes drive away from sunderland university.
    I came here as a student and now working with British Telecom after doing masters from nothumberland university which is again 10 miutes drive from sunderland univeristy.

    My message to all Karachiites is, all the UNIVERSITIES in UK are recognised globally and none of them can be bogus, only the colleges can be bogus and the Scenario which Mr sufi has given about the above mentioned colleges is 100% correct.


  16. Bubloo (unregistered) on November 16th, 2006 @ 7:21 pm

    Brother, Sisters and in between, I am 100% agree with @ SIN “Graduate students are a whole different game”. Graduated student can get almost 100% financial assistances through scholarships or teaching assistance ships. Just make sure to accrue good GPA above 3.0 (your BS or BA) as well as above average GRE score.


  17. rukun (unregistered) on November 17th, 2006 @ 12:24 am

    Ivys do visit Pakistan, but its more of a individual school information session. Like a couple of months ago Reps from Yale Harvard Penn and Princeton were here we had these talks at our school, The Lyceum.Students from other schools were also present.
    Large scale seminars arent really an option considering the major form of secondary education isnt really that highly rated and a move to recruit students would only be a possibility if some rich pakistani dude set up a fund at some ivy to discover talent from pakistan


  18. UnholySaint (unregistered) on November 18th, 2006 @ 9:00 am

    You know whats funny, Infosys – an Indian Consulting firm comes to MIT, Penn and Stanford to recruit the cream of the crop to work for them in INDIA!!! Many folks (all races) are starting to realize like that although making less in India but no taxes, they are better of working in India than US! I couldnt agree more.

    Where labor flows, capital flows. Where capital flows, supply follows…


  19. Sin (unregistered) on November 18th, 2006 @ 10:24 am

    Sufi, of course, they totally should. Never underestimate the desire of the average teenager to “go abroad” though. I know smart kids, who picked a crap school over a good one like LUMS (for example), just because it was “foreign”. It’s a foolish mentality, and one that needs to be changed.

    Sucker: I’m not sure how your point defeats my contention that the US sees grad students as cheap labour, but I’ve played the “work your ass off” game while I was at university abroad. I’m also a little confused as to why you seem to think that anyone’s “accusing” you of not having any financial issues.


  20. Doctaha (unregistered) on November 19th, 2006 @ 2:09 am

    agree with Rukun. ppl from yale,NUS and nottingham came to lyceum last year. But i guess these cases are limited to some schools. After all we know what state of our local schooling system is in right now :( , so there doesnt seem to be any point for the ‘good schools’ to promote themselves in paki.



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