Oh Really???

Look whose talking. Have we forgotten the year 1995?? Dead bodies found in sacks? Torture cells? Or are we just too dumb to ignore the terrorism??
I remember, back in 1995, the holy month Ramzan, my aunt and her son (An engineering student) were slaughtered in Karachi, in the name of racism and politics. The other son went into trauma seeing blood flowing from the door of the room.
(Husband, who was working abroad when came to Karachi and due to life threats left the country forever along with the ailing son)
Ten years down, the poor boy is still in a sanitarium.

… And they talk of no-violence!
Ha, times may have changed but mentality remains the same.

85 Comments so far

  1. UnholySaint (unregistered) on November 23rd, 2006 @ 6:22 am

    Oo I see, now even Pakistani have got the virus of being ‘politically correct’!

    Adnan, here is what you posted:
    “The incidents between 92-95 were main reasons I quit supporting MQM but It doesn’t mean I sound ignorant enough that I forget how Nawaz with Army made a split between Altaf and Amir and then started an operation in Karachi.”

    BS! This whole episode was Bhutto design. Although sad for the loss of innocent side but I love 2 politicians fighting each other to show their true colors to the general public! This b!tch has to audacity of come to Harvard to lecture here about Society and Political science! USA should send her ass to Gitmo! And about Pir Saab, SOB sound have been ‘liquidated’ there & then!

    Stop taking politicians’ sides!

  2. wasiq (unregistered) on November 23rd, 2006 @ 7:03 am

    She’ll only come out at night
    The lean and hungry type
    Nothing is new, I’ve seen her here before
    Watching and waiting
    Ooh, she’s sittin’ with you but her eyes are on the door

    So many have paid to see
    What you think you’re gettin’ for free
    The woman is wild, a she-cat tamed by the purr of a Jaguar
    Money’s the matter
    If you’re in it for love, you ain’t gonna get too far

    (Oh-oh, here she comes) Watch out boy she’ll chew you up
    (Oh-oh, here she comes) She’s a maneater
    (Oh-oh, here she comes) Watch out boy she’ll chew you up
    (Oh-oh, here she comes) She’s a maneater

    I wouldn’t if I were you
    I know what she can do
    She’s deadly man, she could really rip your world apart
    Mind over matter
    Ooh, the beauty is there but a beast is in the heart

    (Oh-oh, here she comes) Watch out boy she’ll chew you up
    (Oh-oh, here she comes) She’s a maneater
    (Oh-oh, here she comes) Watch out boy she’ll chew you up
    (Oh-oh, here she comes) She’s a maneater

    (Oh-oh, here she comes) Here she comes, Watch out boy she’ll chew you up
    (Whoa-oh, here she comes. Watch out) She’s a maneater
    (Oh-oh, here she comes. She’s a maneater) Ooh, she’ll chew you up
    (Oh-oh, here she comes) Here she comes, she’s a maneater
    (Oh-oh, here she comes. Watch out) She’ll only come out at night, ooh
    (Oh-oh, here she comes) Here she comes, she’s a maneater
    (Oh-oh, here she comes. She’s a maneater) The woman is wild, woo
    (Oh-oh, here she comes) Here she comes. Watch out boy, watch out boy
    (Oh-oh, here she comes) Oh, watch out, watch out, watch out, watch out
    (Oh-oh, here she comes) Yeah, yeah, she’s a maneater
    (Oh-oh, here she comes. She’s a maneater) She’s watching and waiting, ooh
    (Oh-oh, here she comes) Oh, she’s a maneater

    by Hall & Oates

  3. xia (unregistered) on November 23rd, 2006 @ 11:57 am

    Atleast MQM is saying something about the violence. Tell me which other political party has condemned violence at this scale in recent days? Altaf Husain, although I am not a big fan of pir sahib :-), have made several comments and speeches in recent days condemning violence on the basis of race and religion. Atleast that is what I have seen/read. This is really good that one of the major political party is not preaching hatred. Read more comments in dawn here

    Let’s talk about the early 90s. I was there and dodged several stray bullets at college. I guess I can say I had a fair share of early 90 violence. People who are old (and mature enough) know what bahadur ali was famous for. you talk about torture cell. Why don’t you talk about interrogation cells. how young guys were taken away from their homes and were put upside down from the ceiling and were given “mirchoon kee dhooni”? Ask those guys who have lost their MANHOOD due to illegal “cheeras” that were performed in front of their families? Do you forget how Azim Ahmed tariq was killed in front of his wife and kids? How about asking someone how he felt when he was given liquids to drink and then was forced not to go to bathroom by blocking/tieing up of certain part of the body? Why was all of that done to guys who were karachites and Pakistanis and mostly muslims? Where were all you pathetic losers or your ignorant rants? May be you were still too young to remember. Someone mentioned Naseeruallah Babar? Do you know during this time what was the hottest item that was imported? Power Drills. These were used to drill holes in people’s knees and knuckles.

    And yes I know MQM side did similar things and worse in some cases. They were not saints either. Zani, qatil, thug, chor, you name it. You would have found them in the sector.

    I sympathize with your loss and may Allah give you and your family with patience. And may Allah give Jannah to all those who were killed in these battles. May Allah give us muslims hidayah not to indulge in these ruthless acts against any living thing. May Allah unite us all so that we can concentrate on other things. I pray that we abandon these racial divides and become one ummah. May Allah guide us all inshaAllah..

  4. xia (unregistered) on November 23rd, 2006 @ 12:12 pm

    Here is another quote by Altaf Husain.

    Disclaimer: I am not a supporter and neither a hater of MQM. I am only quoting what pir bhai is saying lately….

    KARACHI: MQM chief condemns preaching of hatred

    KARACHI, Nov 14: Founder of Muttehida Qaumi Movement (MQM) Altaf Hussain has said that preaching hatred or attacking non-conformists, desecrating their holy places, mosques, imambargahs are satanic acts and totally against Islamic injunctions.

    read more at : http://www.dawn.com/2006/11/15/local23.htm


  5. xia (unregistered) on November 23rd, 2006 @ 12:16 pm

    Here is another news report.

    Disclaimer: I am not a supporter and neither a hater of MQM. I am only quoting what pir bhai is saying lately….

    KARACHI: Altaf tells workers to improve character

    KARACHI, Nov 12: Muttahida Qaumi Movement chief Altaf Hussain has emphasised the importance of good character in an ideological movement and called upon all MQM members to become ideologically strong and be prepared to improve their character and etiquettes in order to further the message of their movement and bring about a positive change in the country’s current medieval system.

    read more at: http://www.dawn.com/2006/11/13/local15.htm

    My Point: ATLEAST SOMEONE IS SAYING THIS TO PARTY WORKERS. I know you can find tonnsssss of material where he preached hate. That was past and yes it was disgusting. If someone is doing good, or atleast trying, give them a chance.

  6. ash (unregistered) on November 23rd, 2006 @ 12:32 pm

    Thanks xia i loved those quotes. It doesnt matter whats happened in the past b/c its all bad. This is the stuff we must hear now and in the future.

  7. masoom bachi (unregistered) on November 23rd, 2006 @ 12:39 pm

    araay mere piraree behnoo aur unke bhaio KHuDARA is discussion ko band kerdoo jisse kuch bhe nahee honewala..yeh batao kis kis ne UMRAO JANE AADA movie dekhi hae???

  8. Anathema (unregistered) on November 23rd, 2006 @ 1:03 pm

    u have to excuse uniaza. she’s heard one side of it. unlike msot of us who are telling her she’s oblivious, he has not dodged bullets or seen victims of torture or janaazas in multiples from one house ona daily basis or…. a lot of things.

    encounters is probably a word she’s heard. she clearly has not read papers, kartography, herald and newslines of the time. she clearly has not herd WHY the ATC was established (unaiza do u know what ATC was?!).

    i am no supporter. but having seen those bullts, sacks, those janaazas, that mother (times hundred) who has lost all her sons to “encounters”.

    unaiza is blinded by one incident. that maikes her say “oh really”.

    u ahve to excuse her. she did not live through it. she did not read about it. she’s only …. uninformed

  9. Faisal (unregistered) on November 23rd, 2006 @ 3:19 pm


    What the hell does the song “maneater” have to do with this topic.

    In a lighter vein, it did bring back memories of my teenage years and “lounge parties” at the Karachi American School.

  10. unaiza nasim (unregistered) on November 23rd, 2006 @ 4:42 pm

    @Anathema: Not really.
    Another incident, Bufferzone, 5 janazas from one house. All five brothers from a Shia family.
    Want to know how I know them?? (I am certainly not disclosing the reason behind the murder, but what an educated mind can extract, Having known the family since childhood)
    We have a couple of houses on rent in that area. and one is adjacent to the victims family.
    I am not saying other parties do not do bad. This post is just in relevance to the banner.
    Please stay where the topic is.
    And yes, I have seen very closely, how it ruins the life of students, the very known “APMSO”.
    Adnan Siddiqi, I guess you know how I know. If you have not forgotten university days.

  11. MB (unregistered) on November 23rd, 2006 @ 8:06 pm

    This comment was posted a day back but it was held so i am pasting it again.

    Yeah Unaiza, this is REAL world. Pictures/posters/banners like these often make me laugh and then cry at times. And the perfect line to say then is the one you said: “Look who is talking”.

    It’s ironic that since there is no concept of principles political, moral, religious or otherwise in our society people do become hero’s one day and corrupt the other. One of the culprits in that case is the people who make them such which includes 160 million souls, directly or indirectly contributing into it somehow, sometimes may be not knowing it and some times being a part of it.

    A man, Mr. Altaf is preaching what he could never follow. A man, Mr. Musharraf does the same. Men like those up the slot and down to the rickshaw driver and the chokeedar, all do the same. Preaching what they cannot follow. Every society has it but we, unfortunately has it more. The religious ones have it in extreme.

    And if you look outside your country, International relations have it too. USA preaches what it doesn’t follow. And so does all major powers. But they do it with others and seldom have they done it with their own people. We are unfortunate to be doing it more among ourselves then others.

    Having said all this, it’s a good sign at least they have put the banner there. It would look more meaningful and practical had they asked Altaf bhai to quit as a sign of a man of actions than words. Again a man, Mr Yasir Arafat, once labeled as enemy was hailed as hero and peace maker, but when he denounced terror. Such is the complexity of international affairs but ours should be pretty easy. We know by now who is what. It would be better if Mr. Nawaz, Benazir-Zardari co, the religious ones & Altaf bhai rest and let a new blood come in. Otherwise you should never be surprised if you see the army pitched against the MQM again on the streets. Let’s hope and pray, which is the only thing at our hands right now.

  12. Zami (unregistered) on November 23rd, 2006 @ 8:13 pm

    Sorry Unaiza but mostly Mohajir tortured and killings was done by Pak Army (Punjabi) High Command with whole heartily cooperation from BB & NS.

    Mostly powerful Punjabis in power during late 80s/early 90s master minded the Karachi operation on the basis of Jinnahpur- i.e. WMD as in Iraq.

    All mohajirs agree on that!! BB and NS would have liked to wipe out or subdue the enrite Mohajir population/generation from the city!! It was a plan done in Islamabad that back fired on them from the biginning otherwise Musharraf is not dump enough to bring MQM back into power. He looked at the root cause and knew exaclty treat mohajirs to fix their agony!

    Try to first honestly find out who carried the extra judicial killings, throwing of Mohajir youths from building rooftops and leaving their dead bodies in jute bags for Edhi (Edhi had to run to England to save his life from the army), creating MQM-H as a front organization along with Rangers to terrorize entire mohajir neighborhoods !
    You know what ask any Muslim Bengali in BD (former E. Pak) how they were humiliated/supressed/killed before 71? and they would proudly tell you that was the exact reason they had to get BD!

  13. Dee (unregistered) on November 23rd, 2006 @ 8:38 pm

    Hi all, Yes i do remember the horrific Late 80s and Mid 90s era.Mostly marked by strikes and curfews.God i remember one day due to electricity failure we were on the roof top and all of a sudden exchange of fire between rangers(ah how i hate them) and MQM supporters.We were leterally trapped up there as we can see and hear firing and too afraid to run down stairs and take cover.One of our room witnessed bullets quite a few times.
    I guess that was the reason we decided to migrate as situation was out of our hands.Selfish as it may sound but recalling those incidences i think it was a right choice.Now i hear and read about robberies and mobile phone snatchings and etc and looked back i see nothing changed, just faces.

  14. Yahya (unregistered) on November 23rd, 2006 @ 9:11 pm


    Very sad to hear of your aunt and cousin. May Allah rest their souls and give you peace. One can only hope and pray that no one has to go through such an experience. If it is any consolation, the perpetrators will get their just “reward” in the end. Sad truth is we live in a society with little regards for individual rights and where violence is prevalent. We can not however revenge everything that comes in our way. One must at least try to forget if not forgive.

    Coming to the point about MQM, it isn’t the first or the only organisation with track record of violence. Every party have their own fair share of violence and in turn their own complains and grudges. Just naming MQM in this way is out of context and one sided. Then asking everyone to stick to replying to this one sided topic is censorship. Where is respectability in this?

    You know better than that.

  15. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on November 23rd, 2006 @ 11:41 pm

    Unaiza bibi, nobody was refuting that particular case ,the thing which was unnacceptable for me atleast because I and several millions karachiites of areas like nazimabad, north nazd, Fb area,liqat/aziz[abad] can’t forget those days and nights so I actually don’t need to listen someone else to prove my point while I myself experienced manythings. I hate altaf politics, atleast I have guts to say this unlike followers of nawaz and bibi who hide their political affiliation and get ready to talk against MQM.

    @unholy: dude, wasn’t nawa in power in 92 when mqm was splitted in two factions? yes that was benazir era[95] when another grand operation was started. Now I don’t know how bhutto contacted nawaz and handed him a plan[how you better elaborate it]. This is the thing which I heard very first time. Technically everyone who argues with other sound ‘politically correct’, I think you’re not aware of this ‘fact’ :-)

    @Dee: which area? I was in nazimabad when I used to see rockets going from one place to another. A very different kind of fireworks.

    @zami: you wana say that bb and NS used to dictate to our Army? you must be kidding. Infact army would have dictated them and they ,for sake of KURSI got agreed with them.

    Shittiest Fact of the day: Same MQM is with a Foji and that Altaf is making all efforts to praise musharraf. *sigh*. Siyasat be kia kutta cheez hay, baray baroun ko kutta bana deti hey.

  16. xia (unregistered) on November 23rd, 2006 @ 11:41 pm

    Like someone said, what happened in past is history. We can only learn from it and toughen ourselves not to make similar mistakes. When APMSO was formed in late 70’s (Early 80’s), it was a right decision at the right time. It was ironic that people of Karachi were not getting jobs in their own city. Major Thanas/Police Stations had Punjabi language as an official language. Major government offices had people from every where else but Karachi and the new job seekers from Karachi were not given a FAIR share in their own city. There were other reasons as we know for forming APMSO as we read in history where students were beaten and harassed because they came from a place called Karachi at Karachi University. If it wasn’t for MQM and APMSO (in the early days) punjabi and sindhi politicians would have kicked us all out of Karachi to some island.

    You talk about APMSO and those days at Jamia Karachi. Do you know who brought most of the arms and ammo to student organizations? Jamiat. Ask any sane student of that time and he/she will tell you how much jamiat spent in arming up their students.

    Just hating mohajirs for the sake of hating is not good enough. MQM represented us in a true way when it was badly needed. And yes it was the only choice we had. I do not know all the details of who started what and when, but I do know that it is MQM who brought us middle class karachites to the center stage.

    Coming back to the subject, I urge you to read about the history of Karachi. You do not have to go back all the way to Mai Kulachi days. Just read about Karachi in last two decades. (hint, hint, read dawn) It is us, you and I, and definitely me before you, who have to change this ideology of hate that surrounds us in the form of nationalism, religious extremism, racism and sectarianism. If you see a banner, that at least condemns something that is bad, appreciate the effort. The hell with the political motives that it may have behind it. Appreciate that there is someone, who happens to have some power, is preaching a message of unity. If you find something that exposes him/her, by all means tell the world about it and back it up with authentic facts. Before criticizing a good thing, think. Think what you have done in last 24 hours that resembles what other has done. Do not do it for anyone else, but Allah. This will be a good start for everyone including me.

    BTW, things are really bad in Karachi. Here is a dua that Rasool Allah Sallalh Alaehe wasalaam prescribed when a leaving home.

    “Bismillahi, tawakkaltu ‘alallaahi, wa laa huwla wa laa quwwata ‘illaa billah”
    “in the name of Allah, I have placed my trust in Allah, there is no might and no power except Allah.”
    Abu dawud 4-325, at tirmithi 5-490

    For Arabic version, visit http://www.makedua.com/display_dua.php?sectionid=10

  17. unaiza is a post whore (unregistered) on November 23rd, 2006 @ 11:44 pm

    is it just me or Unaiza has become a post whore lately.

  18. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on November 23rd, 2006 @ 11:48 pm

    jazakallah xia. Between if one doesn’t remember it can read Ayatkursi as well.

  19. xia (unregistered) on November 23rd, 2006 @ 11:56 pm

    jazakallah khair for the addition. May Allah guide us all. Ameen

  20. d0ct0r (unregistered) on November 24th, 2006 @ 12:20 am

    you mentioned names like SHO Bahadur Ali but you forgot to mention Rehan kana,Farooq Patni,Sajid Handel, Faheem Camando who made us all proud worldwide …. (i had personally seen this camando guy along with his thugs roaming around in different areas in a red suzuki alto to collect “bhatha”(extortion money)

  21. xia (unregistered) on November 24th, 2006 @ 1:28 am

    kia kia mention karain hum doctor sahib? Like i said they weren’t shareef either. it is my fault, i shouldn’t have mentioned bahadur ali by his name. i should have said “an SHO”. I have noted your point and inshaAllah i hope not to make the same mistake again. Thank you.

    May Allah guide us all.

  22. Atonement (unregistered) on November 25th, 2006 @ 12:40 am

    How mature is our political system? Do we fund (legally, transparently) the parties we support?

  23. Atonement (unregistered) on November 25th, 2006 @ 12:54 am

    What happened during the 90’s was truly horrid. What was worse was that the citizens of the city were between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea. Choosing the axe by which to die is a limited option.

    A more balanced understanding of the events of the days is needed. Political commentary on such a widely read website has to be more well thought-out. If we were to comment so lightly on the state of “hypocrisy,” by God, only my kitten would survive blame.

    Those who have advised more restraint are well-wishing.

    If, at all, commentary has to be, it has to go deeper than this.

  24. Atonement (unregistered) on November 25th, 2006 @ 1:11 am

    Personally, I believe that a lot of what’s happening in the city right now is non-political, and more psychotic. Recently read a story about a certain cop-killer (Kamran something – featured in Jang’s weekly crime round-up – a horrid section), who had been on a spree since his girlfriend left him because he was detained by police for a crime. Imagine!

    Once outside the jail, he not only kept robbing, but managed to shoot and kill policemen when he chanced upon them. He had accomplices, too, who were not “internally motivated” llike him, but helped him in the chores nevertheless.

    ///// To talk about politics and violence on a public platform is not a small matter, Unaiza. With media, one has to be responsible with what they are saying and teaching. And a journalist/ blogger DOES educate/ shape/ bend the minds of the readers.

    There is a Chinese saying: “If you save someone’s life once, their life becomes your responsibility.” On similar lines, if we teach or communicate something once, the words and their repurcussions become our responsibility.

    I agree with the commentors who suggested that this post must not feature on this blog, for it jeopardizes the writer and the public. It is very unwise for the writer to present her life in vain and to involve readers too. What lesson does that give? Is life so unprecious?

    Life must be protected, and given only for a greater cause, that too after protecting the life in the best possible manner. I have never heard of any great warrior, whether they were martyred or they survived, who may have fought the Goliath of their time, suggesting that they took their life casually. They fought to protect their interest and the lived of their people and the future generations. THAT is why people fight. To defend themselves, not to put their neck on the line.

    You have been well-intentioned, Unaiza, and working for some causes. Keep at them, no need to go looking for trouble. If, at all, political commentary has to be made, then do research What Really Happened – and be balanced in your coverage. I.e. name all the sides.

    I am sorry for your aunt and cousin’s loss. Such incidents tech us nothing but that life is precious, it is the most precious thing God made: the life and honor of a human. Don’t be flippant wiht your life. Respect it, cherish it, and put it to positive use.

    God bless you, the souls of those who were slaughtered in those days, and our city!

  25. Mariam (unregistered) on November 25th, 2006 @ 7:08 am

    This article Testosterone for the sake of God brought back so many memories. Just change insert Karachi instead of Lahore ;).

  26. Mariam (unregistered) on November 25th, 2006 @ 7:18 am


    I’m very sorry. Why have they killed your Aunt and cousin? I know lot of people was killed at that time but mostly were police men and MQM workers by each other.

    The thing is, Karachi went through a gun culture and everyone is responsible for the situation. More blame goes to elected personals and law enforcement as when one is in power then they don’t need to resort to street fighting.

    Can anyone tell me why MMA ladies are against any amendment in Hudood bill. Don’t they know how to read Quran?

  27. ash (unregistered) on November 25th, 2006 @ 8:22 am


    The MMA doesnt know and doesnt care whats actually written in the Quran. If they could pass a law saying all girls should be buried alive soon after birth they would pass that in a heartbeat.

  28. Jamal Shamsi (unregistered) on November 25th, 2006 @ 1:24 pm

    90s; was the sadest DECADE of Karachi. Every Opportunist ENCASHED it, be it religion, cast, community or trade.

    The worst part is – Inbreed genetic HYPOCRACY is part of US, what shall we do about it????

    honesty, tolerence, flexibility can be inculcated but cannot change the genetic structure.

    What we see Good for US is bad for Others and vice versa, it happened, is happening and will continue

    unless each individual ensure self accountibilty.

  29. Atonement (unregistered) on November 25th, 2006 @ 1:51 pm

    If the citizens choose to stay out of the political system, this is what will happen. The insitutions and the systems of any nation reflect the state of that nation.

    Do we, the citizens, ever choose to be responsible?

    I have often thought about the bhatta and the daaka system of “funding” political activity. And I am just curious that as an urban Karachiite I have never heard of a “legal” way to fund a party. We’d often want something to happen for us, without having to pay for it. E.g. most homes in my street refuse to pay to the watchman/ garbage collector and expect that the street is safe and clean. How on earth will that be possible? Only a few homes that are directly affected by the filth that gathers in a certain vacant plot pool in. Thank God for the mosquitoes which prompted the whole street to pool in – after years!

    Somehow I feel that a lot of corruption in our economy/ country/ etc. is because we have not developed and funded perfectly legitimate needs.

    They teach in spirituality, “There is no such thing as a vaccum; if there is no good in a place, there will be evil in that place.”

  30. Dee (unregistered) on November 25th, 2006 @ 8:41 pm

    @Atonement….> WEll said.

  31. MB (unregistered) on November 25th, 2006 @ 10:27 pm

    Excellent one Shabana mir. I guess that “Testosterone for the sake of God ” does say it all.

    Apart from that As Jamal shamsi puts it , “Inbreed genetic HYPOCRACY ” is the cancer we need to do a surgery about first. All other lectures are secondary practically.

  32. MB (unregistered) on November 25th, 2006 @ 10:29 pm

    Excellent one Shabana mir. I guess that “Testosterone for the sake of God ” does say it all.

    Apart from that As Jamal shamsi puts it , “Inbreed genetic HYPOCRACY ” is the cancer we need to do a surgery about first. All other lectures are secondary practically.

  33. unaiza nasim (unregistered) on November 26th, 2006 @ 2:48 pm

    @Atonement: Who siad you cannot?
    Any one who wants to fund MQM can always go to “90” and give in, what ever he/she has to offer.

  34. Yahya (unregistered) on November 26th, 2006 @ 3:41 pm


    I think *you* should spare us, go to 90 and do all your “bharaks” over there. Who knows it may help you in some way.

    Everyone sympathises with you on your loss and no one is trying to undermine it but your loss seems to have effected your judgment. Its time to stop on this.

    This is one of your lesser posts…crude…and bordering on mean. Can you not take a polite hint from so many commentators?

  35. Atonement (unregistered) on November 28th, 2006 @ 8:30 pm

    UN: The funding question was not directed at you, but the general audience. It’s “food for thought.” Don’t take it personal.

    BTW, dropping a load of cash at someone’s place is not how political funding is done at all. Or rather, any kind of funding. Political funding, whether for MQM, PPP, etc., has to be institutional.

    Enough said.

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