Dengue Prevention – The Islamic Way

You’ve probably noticed im following the roll out of dengue and its related activities with quite some interest now. My last thread was on how to detect the presence of dengue carrying mosquitos around your home/office. Today, i bring you a prevention technique which caught my eye recently.

Without further ado, i present……

Prevent Dengue Fever – The Islamic Way
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Translation: Read surah #64 AT-TAGHABUN and blow it on a glass of water. Serve this glass of water to everyone in the house. Inshallah good health will follow (Anyone can come up with a better translation, let me know). Interestingly, according to the MCA website, Surah At-taghabun relates to Mutual disillusion

P.S. Dengue fever is still quite an active threat, dont take it lightly. Prevention is better than cure afterall.

50 Comments so far

  1. Akbar (unregistered) on November 29th, 2006 @ 6:59 pm

    Most Christians, Jews, Muslims and other theists, ditheists and polytheists naturally resort to prayer when they learn that they, a family member, or friend is ill or injured. I strongly urge that anyone suffering from a disease or disorder use prayer only to back up some reliable form of treatment that has been shown to be both safe and effective.


  2. SWA (unregistered) on November 29th, 2006 @ 7:07 pm

    Prayer can be a source of hope to many, but before you take the wordings in this picture to heart, please remember “GOD ONLY HELPS THOSE WHO HELP THEMSELVES!”

    Translation: THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE TO PROPER PREVENTATIVE METHODS! Dont rely on prayer alone to keep you safe and free from Dengue! Follow all the other steps as well that are necessary to keep you safe from it! Prayer should only be a source of hope and strength to be able to carry out the things you ACTUALLY have to do in order to be safe from this disease.


  3. SWA (unregistered) on November 29th, 2006 @ 7:09 pm

    btw, on another note, I would like people who come up with such magical shortcut ideas based on Islam, to start quoting a source of Hadith or the Quran where they got them from! There is sooo much superstition and quackery in religion in our society its disturbing.


  4. zahra (unregistered) on November 29th, 2006 @ 8:04 pm

    i have to admit, it was nice to see some religious/spiritual inclination in these rather decadent times that we live in…

    but on the other hand, 2 things: 1) read whatever part of the quran, because it’s all shifaa. and there are also many “masnoon” (from the practice of the Prophet, peace be upon him) duas and prayers that can be used.

    2) totally agree with SWA, in that you have to help yourself with all the means available to you. God only helps those who help themselves.

    and, by the way, for anyone interested further in the subject….the discourse on Preventive Medicine in Islam, is generally quite fascinating

    peace


  5. ash (unregistered) on November 29th, 2006 @ 10:21 pm

    I think the caption should not read the islamic way. Rather islamic supplementation. Because this is not a substitute ofcourse, to the things you have already mentioned in your prior post.


  6. Asad (unregistered) on November 29th, 2006 @ 11:24 pm

    This blog is reflective of the mindset of our nation. Read this 50 times you will start flying. Read that 101 times you will be a millionaire.
    This is why we are what we are today. The most impractical nation in the world. The purpose of our great Book is not what we have made it. Be practical. Read and understand.

    For Dengue : Protect yourself from mosquito bites.
    Be clean. Cleanliness is half of our
    faith. Unfortunately as a nation we
    already missing half of our faith. Y
    Yet claim to be the most pious of all


  7. zahra (unregistered) on November 30th, 2006 @ 12:33 am

    ash&asad: well said, i couldnt agree with you more.


  8. kidal (unregistered) on November 30th, 2006 @ 12:40 am

    First, it would be much better if mosques, teachers or even posters like Mansoor mentioned a reference from the Qur’an or Hadith before disseminating such information. Secondly, whoever put that poster up should mention that dua does not preclude other preventive precautions or treatments. We all know how ignorant and gullible some people can be.

    On a different note, I was looking at the Pakistan page on Wikipedia. To my shock, someone has replaced the word “Pakistan” with “Porkistan” throughout the page. Its nothing but a childish and vulgar way of showing one’s feelings of hatred and jealousy. If any of the readers have Wikipedia editing rights, could you please change it asap.


  9. Yahya (unregistered) on November 30th, 2006 @ 1:56 am

    Nice discussion. Now if we can get these guys into government instead of all these babays that we are stuck with…


  10. ash (unregistered) on November 30th, 2006 @ 2:03 am

    I have to share some good news with you all. Straight off the bbc website. Its about corruption and the widening gap but check out this quote

    “The world may have focused on the political ups and downs of the country’s President, Pervez Musharraf.

    But since the General took power in a coup seven years ago, his most radical actions have been on the economic front.

    The country has swallowed the usual World Bank-recommended diet of privatisation, liberalisation and opening up of markets.

    But what makes Pakistan stand out is the speed it has done this, and the extent of the change.

    Growth has soared, foreign debt has been cut, and the nation’s consumers have gone on one of history’s greatest shopping sprees, splashing out in record numbers on anything from fridges and flats, to luxury cars”


  11. ash (unregistered) on November 30th, 2006 @ 2:03 am

    Not bad for pakistan however any idiot tries to misspell it!


  12. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on November 30th, 2006 @ 9:21 am

    SWA: Sorry but your concept of a ‘Dua’ is entirely wrong. Second the thing you quoted, ‘God help those…’ actually talks about combined ignorance by a nation like Pakistan wherevery one is suffering due to offending the religion rather appreciating it and not being able to raise voice against the evil acts of rulers.

    It’s just a matter of reciting a surah. Read it? but don’t give excuses to stay away from Quran.

    Ash,bibi you’re living in a dreamland. I already gave current stats about different things that how Mush govt is getting failed in different fields INCLUDING econ.


  13. mansoor (unregistered) on November 30th, 2006 @ 9:43 am

    asad: good point.. we do lack in that one area quite a bit.

    ash: the way the poster is drafted, its supposed to be a substitute…. otherwise your topic idea would’ve been taken into consideration.


  14. ash (unregistered) on November 30th, 2006 @ 10:51 am

    Adnan
    I dont know why i’d accept your claims over info posted on the BBC. Maybe you should stop living in nightmare land.

    Mansoor,
    sorry i didnt get your sarcam first time round.


  15. ash (unregistered) on November 30th, 2006 @ 10:52 am

    sarcasm


  16. mansoor (unregistered) on November 30th, 2006 @ 10:54 am

    ash: no worries jee


  17. Gen. Zia (unregistered) on November 30th, 2006 @ 11:11 am

    What’s next – Surah Yasin for Hepatitis B? What a waste of that whiteboard space. This idiot could have possibly saved someone’s life by actually writing and disseminating some useful info. Prayer is just that – a prayer – not a treatment and shouldn’t be quoted as such. Another classic example of blindly following the written word and not once understanding what it means.


  18. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on November 30th, 2006 @ 11:27 am

    Ash,it shows you didn’t read that because there was no BBC link in that reply. Thankyou!


  19. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on November 30th, 2006 @ 11:46 am

    Ask a surgeon about the ‘Importance of prayer’ when cases go out of his hands and still the patient is saved.


  20. mansoor (unregistered) on November 30th, 2006 @ 11:49 am

    gen: if u read the surah with understanding, then it does do wonders to heal your faith… however what would be the reprecussions on dengue i dont know. But i totally agree, a prayer and treatment should never be substitutes for each other, they should be used in tandem with each other.


  21. SWA (unregistered) on November 30th, 2006 @ 1:23 pm

    @ Adnan Siddiqui: I disagree with you completely. What you said is just your own interpretation of things and is based on faith to the point of an excess.

    I too believe in God wholeheartedly, and I too believe prayer is to ask God to help you out, but if you support that people should just sit on their butt and just think of prayer everytime to do everything for them, arnt you being a bit impractical?
    I am sure even God likes everything in moderation and encourages people to go and do something for themselves and others. I dont think even God would like you to just sit there asking him for something and not move a muscle yourself.
    Same goes for faith as for prayer. Its too easy to commit excesses in everything but the moderate path is the hardest to choose.

    As far as reading a Surah goes, yes you should read it WITH UNDERSTANDING. Not as a book of magical spells that cure stuff. And not just the surah, but maybe the whole Quran? God actually tried to tell you something with those words. But unfortunately most of us just started worshipping the book instead of paying attention to what was really even being said in the book. Thats a whole long discussion btw that I would like to avoid here. Bottom line: PREVENT YOURSELF FROM MOSQUITO BITES and pray to God to remove this menace from society. THERE ARE NO MAGICAL POTIONS OR MAGICAL SPELLS!


  22. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on November 30th, 2006 @ 1:44 pm

    SWA: You totally misunderstood my point. I was not encouraging shortcuts at all neither I forward any such emails in which it’s asked to ‘forward to other people otherwise you’ll be unlucky’.

    What I tried to say that prayers work when everything done by human is failed. The example of doctor I mentioned above is one of those. Fate of a person is also dependant on duas.


  23. Arsalaan Haleem (unregistered) on November 30th, 2006 @ 1:49 pm

    Guys..guys..guys, please stop this now…we are going nowwhere with useless comments and mud-slinging…thankyou.


  24. zahra (unregistered) on November 30th, 2006 @ 4:36 pm

    arasalaan, who made you the referee? chill :)


  25. ash (unregistered) on November 30th, 2006 @ 9:45 pm

    Adnan,
    Shows that i didnt read it? well this shows that you were completely wrong about that as usual.

    You can check out this link. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6181596.stm

    its a really fair article. It does focus on the widening gap and corruption too.


  26. Gen. Zia (unregistered) on November 30th, 2006 @ 10:48 pm

    @ Adnan Siddiqui – Mansoor & SWA:
    Mansoor said it best: A “prayer and treatment should be used in tandem with each other.” And SWA couldn’t be more true.

    Thats all I was saying too. The whiteboard says “Dengue Virus say bachao kay liyay…”

    As for prayers I totally and wholeheartedly believe in them. I am a doctor and do see miracles happen from time to time. Just that I tell the families to pray but still do my job and don’t stop just because now they are praying so there’s no need for any scientific intervention.


  27. Adnan (unregistered) on December 1st, 2006 @ 9:27 am

    Gen.Zia: Every *good* doctor[regardless of his faith] know his limitations and know that he can’t go beyond to certain limit. A doctor can just give a capsule for certain disease but it’s not in doctor’s hand to cure the disease and it’s because it’s in Allah’s hands and dua is the most effective way to contact the ‘Big doctor’. Nowhere I claimed that One shouldn’t contact a doctor.

    Ash, leave it! since you don’t know what was being referred in my last post. It had no keyword ‘BBC’ at all neither BBC was referred. Thankyou


  28. Ramla A. (unregistered) on December 1st, 2006 @ 5:08 pm

    Some interesting references from the Sura-e-Taghabun:

    Whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is on the earth glorifies All√¢h. His is the dominion, and to Him belong all the praises and thanks, and He is Able to do all things. (At-Taghabun 64:1)

    Obey All√¢h, and obey the Messenger (Muhammad SAW), but if you turn away, then the duty of Our Messenger is only to convey (the Message) clearly. (At-Taghabun 64:12)

    All√¢h! L√¢ il√¢ha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), and in All√¢h (Alone), therefore, let the believers put their trust. (At-Taghabun 64:13)

    Ahem.


  29. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on December 1st, 2006 @ 6:44 pm

    Actually It’s all about ‘IKHLAS’. I am not sure about the appropiate term used for Ikhlas in english but I guess it means ‘a Blind belief’. If you even say The first Kalima with Ikhlas, you are in heaven, on otherhand you prayed 5 times a day for 60/70 years with no Ikhlas then do get worried for even passing the grave test.


  30. Ramla A. (unregistered) on December 1st, 2006 @ 7:27 pm

    @ “Zia”:

    Oh no, it’s not exactly Sura-e-Yasin. To be precise, it is Sura-e-Rehman. Sura-e-Rehman is also used especially for psychological and neurological diseases – including depression, anger, mental issues. It’s also been used on Hepatitis B, cardiovascular and paralytic patients by DOCTORS in Pakistan, and their testimony + signed declaration were shown in a PTV program spanning several episodes. The program, heavily contested, ran after the special intervention of Gen. Pervez Musharraf’s mother. Its producer is General Manager PTV, ISB, Shakir Uzair.

    Fountain House of Lahore, a place for the mentally ill, is one such organization where the effect of Sura-e-Rehman is being tested and studied.

    @ Adnan:

    It’s “sincerity” – the purification of the heart from selfish or other-than-Allah intent.


  31. Gen. Zia (unregistered) on December 2nd, 2006 @ 11:31 am

    @Ramla A.:
    Maybe all doctors ought to be Hafiz-e-Quran then too? Not just the surahs, but a lot of other stuff is also used by some DOCTORS in Pakistan on their patients, all with good intentions I’m sure but with little insight. One needs to do HIS BEST and pray – NOT JUST PRAY and be done with it. READ THE SIGN AGAIN and try to see why its not sound advice to prevent Dengue Fever – its a prayer, for God’s sake!!! And it has not one reference to mosquito bites. Next time the Metblog servers are down, we should get an Aitikaaf going, right? Now if I only knew which Surah is being tested for restoring DoS attacks.


  32. mansoor (unregistered) on December 2nd, 2006 @ 11:52 am

    gen zia: “don’t stop just because now they are praying so there’s no need for any scientific intervention.” thank god for that!!! the reason science has taken a backseat for centuries!

    and lol on surah for DoS attack :-D


  33. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on December 2nd, 2006 @ 4:37 pm


    And it has not one reference to mosquito bites. Next time the Metblog servers are down, we should get an Aitikaaf going, right? Now if I only knew which Surah is being tested for restoring DoS attacks.

    General, Ignorance is never an excuse my friend. Please don’t curse us for your own mental limitations and disability. I’m sure you would never get it. better quit it and move on

    Ramla ,thanks. I did realize later that IKHLAS has some link with “KHALOOS”-sincerity.


  34. Ramla A. (unregistered) on December 2nd, 2006 @ 8:14 pm

    @ Zia:

    No dear, it’s the other way round. One needs to pray first, then do their thing. That’s because, by definition, all things come from and go to Allah, Who is the Lord of all things.

    BTW that doctor thing, is FYI. Feel free to do your own research, that’s why I gave you the b/g info.

    As for the “fact” that there is no reference to mosquitoes in the Sura – why, based on that logic, we can dispense all medicine in the PAcific Sea too. Remember penicillin, when it was “discovered”, didn’t come with a tag aorund it’s neck saying, “Look at me, I kill bacteria.”

    BTW, Sura-e-Taghabun is not a mosquito-killer. Sura-e-Taghabun has been recommended over centuries for PREVENTION and PROTECTION against EPIDEMICS. If you’re a doctor, please differntiate between mosquito killers and epidemic-prevention to begin with.

    Second, as for the “reference,” the Naqshbandi order specifies this particular Sura for this use.

    Be honest. If you are ticked off at the Sura, just say it. Finally, I’ve seen everything: that to suggest that one read the Qur’an means being virtually stoned.


  35. Ramla A. (unregistered) on December 2nd, 2006 @ 8:28 pm

    If everyone’s so concerned about references, go and take out a copy of the Quran, and in the first place, find the Sura so we can stop blaming Mansoor for concocting something. THEN, in the above photo or blog post, show US a reference where it was suggested, “Don’t consult your local doctor.” While the concern for “not doing anything” is genuine and perfectly legitimate, it is horrid the way not only Mansoor is attacked, but also the anon benefactor, AND the Sura’s credibility itself!

    Second, read the translation and know for yourself what it’s declaring and how may that be relevant to epidemics or any ill thing. There is a lot in this Sura which is ironic in the context of this discussion.


  36. Gen. Zia (unregistered) on December 2nd, 2006 @ 10:13 pm

    @Ramla A.:
    -“One needs to pray first, then do their thing.” — Read what I wrote: “One needs to do HIS BEST and pray.” Notice I never said ‘then’ pray.

    -“As for the “fact” that there is no reference to mosquitoes in the Sura ” — I said there is no ref to mosquitoes on THIS SIGN… “READ THE SIGN AGAIN and try to see why its not sound advice to prevent Dengue Fever… it has not one reference to mosquito bites.”

    -“Be honest. If you are ticked off at the Sura, just say it.” — I think the sign is fine and I honestly have no beef with the Sura suggestion; it (the SIGN) just needs a little tribute to our mosquito friends – thats all I was saying.

    “Sura-e-Taghabun has been recommended over centuries for PREVENTION and PROTECTION against EPIDEMICS.” — Shouldn’t it now be recommended ‘among other things’ like actual prevention when we do have the knowledge?

    “If you’re a doctor, please differntiate between mosquito killers and epidemic-prevention to begin with.” — My dear, epidemic prevention IS control of massive spread thru vector isolation, man and/or mosquito. They are not mutually exclusive.

    All in all, even though I am a believer and read the Quran from time to time (admittedly not enough), I can’t help but feel that we are still living in the Middle Ages with a small difference – all those witchcraft chants have been replaced with the religous rhetoric. Moderation, as SWA said it above, is key. ‘It can’t hurt’ is my opinion on this. That’s it – I’m out. Arrivederci.


  37. Ali Ahmed (unregistered) on December 2nd, 2006 @ 10:23 pm

    Assalam o alaikum
    this solution of reciting Surah-e-Taghabun is not proved from Sunnah
    so pls
    follow only sunnah
    and recite masnoon duas of subah shaam in which one asks ALLAH S.W.T for safety against these diseases

    one of them is

    Allah humma aafini fee badani Allah humma aafini fee samee Allah humma aafini fee basari
    La ilaha illa ANTA


  38. Ali Ahmed (unregistered) on December 2nd, 2006 @ 10:34 pm

    Assalam o alaikum
    Guys i believe the situation out there is gettin very tense i agree with the point that prayers and treatment should go in tandem
    just like Rasoolullah S.A.W told his sahabi to tie a rope in the camel’s neck and then rely on Allah’s security, Aman
    2nd the prayers should be very relevant
    for e.g. Rasoolullah S.A.W told us to use
    honey
    Raee (the black seeds i dont know what its called in english)
    both of them hav no side effects whatsoever
    3rdly a relevant prayer is
    Laahaula wala qoowwata illa billah
    Rasoolullah S.A.W said it this dua cures 99 diseases other then death and the least of these 99 is depression
    wassalam


  39. Ramla A. (unregistered) on December 3rd, 2006 @ 12:11 am

    @ GZ:
    Re: the epidemic and mosquito thing – the difference here is that Sura-e-Taghabun is not a mosquito-killer, it is against epidemics in general. The difference is mathematical: partial sub-set= dengue, which may or may not be an epidemic and universal set= all epidemics.

    Re: The PTV program: well, I gave you the exact reference so the interested can take their research there. By all means, feel free to contact PTV, research the program, and take your contest to your fellow doctors.

    @ all
    Sura-e-Taghabun is not as common as Ayat-ul-Kursi, but neither is the prayer of going to bazaar: “Oh Allah, protect me from a bad bargain, and make me not unfair in dealing either.” So what now? If we haven’t seen the Arctic Ocean, does the ocean evaporate off existence? If we didn’t hear of this cure, why insult and attack those who recommended it? The poor recommender didn’t ask anyone to sit in a dark room with a dead goat, red candles lit in the center of a Star of David, and pay him 15,000 for it. Neither does the sign, which I have examined closely, say, “Don’t go to a doctor.”

    What this sign did was to act like a Rorschach Test and reveal exactly what we think.

    Sura-e-Taghabun is an age-old recommendation – though more of a preventive nature – against EPIDEMICS (not just mosquitoes, which is my point). It has been used especially in times of plague and typhoid, the feared epidemics since antiquity. The “reference” is found often in books of Ahadeeth/Iswa-e-Husna, though excuse my lack of absolute knowledge of the Sahih Bukhari quote if indeed it’s in SB. It is certainly recommended by the Naqshbandi spiritual silsila.

    Second, for those who are interested whether Muslim or not, here is how these “prescriptions” were given: through Quran, Hadeeth, and Muslims. Muslims form a part of the faith Islam, we are not brainless robots accepting tables of stone. Therefore, Muslims including scholars, imams, other learned and fearing people – all prescribed certain portions of the Quran as prayers for various occassions.

    If this is news, then so must be this: our method of praying is neither in the Quran, nor in Hadeeth, though various prayers of the Prophet peace be upon him have been modelled upon. The prayer methods were prescribed “in exactitude” by the early jurisprudential schools of Islams. Our problem is that we don’t know our history!


  40. Ramla A. (unregistered) on December 3rd, 2006 @ 12:13 am

    For the academically inclined and spiritually attuned, this is how it works: when Allah created Adam peace be upon him, Hu gave Adam “the knowledge of names.” If the Islamic reference is unpleasant, fine, Bible says, “First came the word.” (I’ll dig up the Sanskrit when I have more time.)

    “Word” was not some random sound Allah decided to make, word is the apparatus with which things move, according to the law of cosmology. That’s why it wasn’t a list of names which impressed the angels, it was because when Adam peace be upon him recited the names, their affects appeared! Angels, in fact, are created of individual alphabets, and full words and names were beyond them – read the story of the ancient origins of alphabets from any world tradition, including Grecko-Roman!!! Read the story of language and the first teachings of Trivium! This is not UFO stuff, whatever we are reading is based on this knowledge that we are no longer taught in school set up to make us industrial mechanics and clerks!

    To test this, imagine I call YOU “beautiful.” Au contraire, imagine I call you “jahil (ignoramus).” Compare the feelings.

    Word, or knowledge of names (Asm’a) was not a list of names with phone numbers and street addresses. It was a list of words that “operate” the Uni/Multiverse (Wikipede the terms). Once again, this is not something we don’t know. Just try sending a hate mail to a colleague at work, or say a choice selection of flattering words to the boss. Notice how words work. This law is surprisingly common to humans.

    Allah, Who created all beings, is likewise called into attention by certain names and pledges. Call Hu as “the Creator of New and Unusual Things (Ya badee-ul-Ajaib, bil-khaire-ya-Badee’oo),” and Hu’s Creative Self becomes attentive. This name is used to resolve tricky situations. Call Hu “the Gracious (Ya-Rehman’u)” and Hu’s Merciful Self becomes attentive. Used to get rid of ailments and for support/forgiveness. A sufi once used “the Door (Ya-Baab’u)” to open the “door” of sustenance/ rizq. (The 99 good names are only the “standard” ones – there are plenty more… signified by the phrase “Alhamd-o-lillah”… i.e. all “definitions” return towards Allah.)


  41. Ramla A. (unregistered) on December 3rd, 2006 @ 12:16 am

    For those who might chuck this aside as the rambling of a science-starved Muslim mind, the proof comes from… The Logical West:

    NLP – or Neuro-linguitic Programming affirms the affect of words on psyche. I do think it’s put to more evil/manipulative uses, though.

    Affirmative Statements – a psychotherapeutic tool used by a range of school of psycho- and spiritual therapy in the West from the hypnotists to the Freudians to Jungians to Dianetics. The list goes on. Even Atheists and freethinkers and seculars would agree on the effectiveness of “positive thinking”. I am not concerned with the off-the-edge maniacs and what they say.

    “Me to We” – a book about volunteer work and NGOs that gives scores of references of lab and other research that prove the existence and effectiveness of such intangibles as “gratitude,” “empathy,” etc. For those who thought spiritual/Islamic values and the scientific method were two, this book’s research is an eye-opener.


  42. Ramla A. (unregistered) on December 3rd, 2006 @ 12:17 am

    BTW Mansoor, why are YOU laughing?? Prayer is not a substitute for action, it comes before action… it determines action. Prayer isn’t gobble-de-ziaulhaq-gook, it is an affirmation of Allah’s power above all beings and things. IT IS THE VERBAL ASPECT OF A STATE OF MIND. The other part is action. Since Allah rules everything, no one can act unless Hu puts the idea in our heads first. A prayer first affirms that all things come from Hu, and then the believer acts. Life and death remain in the hands of Allah.

    The concept of prayer as a tasbeeh in hand, and head on the floor as a last resort after Mospel and the injection failed, though practiced even by the Light of the World – Mohammad peace be upo him – is a limited one. Prayer is the verbalization of our state of mind, the other part of which is action. The Yin, and the Yang.

    However, since Allah is the Omni-Listener, and Hu can move through and without any instrument, even a verbal prayer often will do, i.e. it doesn’t limit Allah in anyway, so let’s not attack the effectiveness of the Sura under the guise of attacking the weak believers. If we are only concerned about the action part, and not upset at the “Islamic remedy,” why didn’t we thank Mansoor for the “additional info” – why was the Sura, and its original recommender attacked? Did “the white board” – which is actually a paper chart – say or imply just read this, and don’t seek cure?


  43. Ramla A. (unregistered) on December 3rd, 2006 @ 12:24 am

    The Qur’an is the word of the Lord of the Nature. All I want to say is that prayer is not a chutney on a buffet table which may be topped on or not. Prayer is much larger than one of the pills in the medicine kit. It is not even a choice, it is THE WAY. Enough said.


  44. Ramla A. (unregistered) on December 3rd, 2006 @ 12:28 am

    @ Ali Ahmed: those are called “black caraway” or “nigella” seeds. They are not “raee” at all, which is a bitter seed often used for taste-making.

    They are “kalonji” – rich in vitamins and minerals. Kalonji, as is often misunderstood, is also NOT onion seed.


  45. Dee (unregistered) on December 3rd, 2006 @ 5:29 am

    @Ramla, Thanks alot for the information.I guess for me dua and action are not mutually exclusive .By the way where one can find the information about *Alphabets*(“Angels, in fact, are created of individual alphabets, and full words and names were beyond them “)?.

    Now someone asked about Rai?.Rai is Mustard seed but Ramla is right its Kaloongi or Nigella(sometimes also called cararway seeds) seeds .If i remember correctly then there is olive(which by the way making a huge comeback in NorthAmerica thanks to Italian cusine) and figs , holds an important position too.

    As far as how the words can be a replacement for medicine?.I would say these may not be replacements but perhaps an option?.Mediatation is infact becoming a part of overall health plans.So if the west (considered as a God father to some) can open up to those why cant we consider them as well?

    Dee.


  46. mansoor (unregistered) on December 3rd, 2006 @ 11:38 am

    ramla: really an eye opening discussion u’ve put forward here.


  47. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on December 4th, 2006 @ 10:00 am


    If this is news, then so must be this: our method of praying is neither in the Quran, nor in Hadeeth,

    Did you mean “Salat”? Yes it’s in hadiths. Quran discusses about Sajda,namaz of Tahajud,Fajr and Asar,Isha and Zohar. If you mean that Quran didn’t give a detailed commentary of how to lift the hand and say “Allah Akbar” then yes it was not described and it’s in hadiths. If you don’t believe in hadiths that’s other case, I won’t say further but If you say it’s in not in hadeethis then I must reject you hence there are hadiths which discussed the method of Namaz and it was not latere *invented* by different schools of Fiqh.
    Contact me off the site as I have no intrest to discuss it here.


  48. Ramla A. (unregistered) on December 5th, 2006 @ 2:29 pm

    @ Adnan: No thanks, I only liked my teachers fully baked.


  49. mansoor (unregistered) on December 5th, 2006 @ 3:00 pm

    not directly related.. but since u guys like to promote/bash islam so much.. go over to Melbourne metblogs where such a discussion is taking place.. :S

    http://melbourne.metblogs.com/archives/2006/12/the_great_austr.phtml

    God help us.


  50. Ramla A. (unregistered) on December 5th, 2006 @ 3:01 pm

    @ Dee:

    I am researching the very origin of language, and “Word” in a sacred sense. (Think “Da Vinci Code.”)

    To look for language sources, or research its ancient history: you may wikipede TRIVIUM and QUADRIVIUM – not exactly on language, but ancient schooling methods which focused on the study of the nature of language. Long subject. This not the right place.

    However the exact source of info are books on ISLAMIC ART – the bit about alphabets is from “Splendours of Islamic Calligraphy” I believe. I learnt it from an article on Islamic calligraphy by a friend who used both the book above, and interviews of Islamic calligraphers.

    Princeton researchers are undertaking a project on similar lines – called the GLOBAL CONSCIOUSNESS project.



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