New Year Balls Delayed by a Day

In a very interesting development all (at least according to my sources) New Year balls which were scheduled today on New Years eve have been delayed by one day as it seems the Core Commander Karachi has informed the organisers that the team of Rangers would be unavailable to extend their security protocol late into the night as the jawans have to offer early morning prayers themselves.

It now seems that tickets have become a hot commodity especially from those who were a little reluctant to join the drinking festival on Chaad Raat, now the its probably an even better excuse to dance away the Eid celebrations, who cares about 2007, its the drinking and dancing that’s more important (am I too sarcastic)

78 Comments so far

  1. Nobbs (unregistered) on January 2nd, 2007 @ 7:01 pm

    People,

    Come on!!!!!

    We are living in Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

    Islam never allows drinking and dancing.

    Atleast we should abide by what Quran says.

    This is the only reason why Muslims are so infamous amongst Western World that whatever their religion is, they do not follow it.

    We should do Istighfaar in front of Allah, because he has given us such a good religion which not only tells us the way we live but also to spread it to others.

    Please come forward and make this world a happier place to live in.

    On new years eve there were the highest number of causalties reported in London just because of the alcohol..

    Now you can imagine alcohol not only harms you but the society overall…..

    Do not get carried away in debate and be a Human atleast.


  2. Anon (unregistered) on January 2nd, 2007 @ 7:55 pm

    STOP PREACHING! It’s a choice, it’s a choice and guess what? It’s a choice.


  3. Anathema (unregistered) on January 2nd, 2007 @ 10:05 pm

    just wonderinig out loud. what do u guys have to say about dancing at mehndis? by women. who you are not mehram to?

    and do none of you blasters out here have a desire to dance with joy, ever?


  4. d0ct0r (unregistered) on January 2nd, 2007 @ 11:42 pm

    @shaDy i dunno if you’re a Christian or not but ever thought about all those poor turkeys that are consumed worldwide on easter celebration?

    “he tells you to kill your son in his name and then replaces it with a goat at the last minute and encourages muslims to go on killing goats for the rest of eternity”

    he(god) did a favor, imagine your dad(practicing believer) conducting a draw and among your siblings your name came up for the sacrifice … *wink* , thats why we say Allah is Al Rahman Al Raheem…

    all those people who drink do it in the name of having fun ,nice time and enjoyment.. don’t u have any other thing to do for enjoyment other then some thing thats clearly prohibited…


  5. d0ct0r (unregistered) on January 2nd, 2007 @ 11:57 pm

    @JayJay

    The cancer rate in alcoholics is ten times higher than that in the general population

    alchohol consumption can suppress the immune system, leading to increased susceptibility to infections

    http://www.benbest.com/health/alcohol.html

    http://seniorhealth.about.com/cs/mentalhealth/a/alcohol_harm_5.htm

    http://alcoholism.about.com/od/health/Health_Effects_of_Alcohol.htm


  6. Glow Subz (unregistered) on January 3rd, 2007 @ 12:12 am

    i m wondering those who doesn’t consider drinking in ‘chaar diwari’a sin, will one day defend ‘zina bil raza’ in chaar diwari


  7. Rix (unregistered) on January 3rd, 2007 @ 12:48 am

    This is why a theocracy sucks – a bunch of religious people try to impose their belief systems on others.

    If in my belief system drinking, adultry or watever is ok (which you may or may not consider islamic, that’s your prerogative, and which i may or may not consider islamic, that’s my prerogative too) then its none of your business.

    As long as I’m not infringing on anyone else’s rights and going around forcing you to drink, you shouldn’t keep telling me to straighten up my ways and not party like i want to.


  8. wasiq (unregistered) on January 3rd, 2007 @ 4:34 am

    The x-files……eid is almost over…..feasting never does atleast in this part of the world….iam very sorry that most of you have to miss what we take for granted….khatoon(non-muslim) ki jeans dooh din disappeared rehney kay baad aaj khud hi wapas ajaay gi don’t you worry….it happens every year twice a year…..unexplained phenomenon…!!!Mtv tum bhi…??


  9. R (unregistered) on January 3rd, 2007 @ 5:27 am

    @Doctor… i could post just as many links showing that having alcohol in moderation (like 1 glass a day) is good for the heart and blood pressure etc.


  10. TheRepublicOfPakistan (unregistered) on January 3rd, 2007 @ 6:05 am

    ahhhhhhhhhhhhh so sad that something so simple is so hard. All the people who are drinking, going to clubs etc etc. Just ask yourself one thing, WHY ARE YOU DOING IT? and please don’t say because you want to, stop being so shallow and dig a little deeper. This is not only goes for drinking; this is the case with everything. The only right answer for doing anything is “Because this is what my religion teaches me” at least for a Muslim this should be the only answer. I know I am not there either but I realize what are my shortcomings and I try not to justify them with trends, fashion, times. We need to work on it to get to that point and if at the end we can’t at least we will know that we gave our sincerest effort.
    We are heading in the wrong direction and the saddest part is that we can’t even see it.

    @RIX: This is why a theocracy sucks – a bunch of religious people try to impose their belief systems on others. That’s is the case with every system, even in an anarchy you have the strongest imposing there views on others, all societies are based on rules and regulations which are based on the culture, religion etc. So to say theocracy sucks because they impose their belief on others is na√Øve if not stupid. Would it be ok if instead of imposing we called it Integration (same thing different word) because we are not threatened by it when other nations call for integration of different social groups by forcing them to adopt the social norms of the majority.


  11. TheRepublicOfPakistan (unregistered) on January 3rd, 2007 @ 6:13 am

    @ANON: The corps commander has the important task of protecting the country

    lol are you joking, which country are you talking about protecting. Protecting does not mean bending over every time you see a bigger dog. The only things I have seen them protect for the last 20 years are the interests of foreign powers. While giving our population an illusion of progress.


  12. Shahzad (unregistered) on January 3rd, 2007 @ 9:44 am

    I dont know if its Kamran or some non muslim is using his identity to post here.
    Some communists (non muslims) around here i guess posting their comments against Qurbaani and in favour of drinking etc. I guess there is no need to convince them.

    Sufi! Either fear or love of ALLAH makes the one go to Jannah. Its ur choice now :)
    Once u get the love, u get the fear automatically as its not wise to make ur loved one angry.


  13. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on January 3rd, 2007 @ 10:07 am


    what do u guys have to say about dancing at mehndis? by women. who you are not mehram to?

    Atleast I don’t prefer to visit such parties. I try my best to stop any such event in family shadis, If they don’t listen then I don’t go there. That’s the best I could do.


    and do none of you blasters out here have a desire to dance with joy, ever?

    ask yourself, you might have such desires but not everyone.

    STOP PREACHING! It’s a choice, it’s a choice and guess what? It’s a choice.

    Anon my friend, how do you define preaching? Those who are talking in favor of Alchol are ALSO preaching . Damn hypocrites!!


    a bunch of religious people try to impose their belief systems on others

    RIX, as long as you are part of a society, you gotta follow rules or just head towards Jungle but I have heard that jungles are not lawless either. Those who are favoring drinking ALSO trying to impose their views on others. No difference.

    I think I am bored now. Everyone here[pro/anti alchol] have explained their views. I think it’s time to move on.


  14. JayJay (unregistered) on January 3rd, 2007 @ 3:32 pm

    @Adnan Siddiqi

    “If alcohol was so bad, why were the faithful promised the streams of the substance after their death?

    JayJay where is it written??? do provide proof?”

    Refer to following Koranic versus as a proof. Let me know you need any further help.

    Koran 47:15
    Here is a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised. In it are…rivers of wine…

    Koran 37:40-48
    But the true servants of God shall be well provided for,…they shall be served with goblet filled at a gushing fountain, white and delicious to those who drink it. It will neither dull their senses nor befuddle them.

    Koran 56:7-40
    They shall recline on jewelled couches face to face, and there shalt wait on them immortal youths with bowls and ewers and a cup of purest wine:

    Koran 83:23-26
    The righteous will surely dwell in bliss. Reclining upon soft couches they will gaze around them: and in their faces you shall mark the glow of joy. They shall be given a pure wine to drink, securely sealed, whose very dregs are musk…

    Koran 78:31
    As for the righteous, they shall surely triumph. Theirs shall be gardens and vineyards, and high- bosomed virgins for companions: a truly overflowing cup.


  15. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on January 3rd, 2007 @ 5:15 pm

    @JayJay: Well, before I answer, I would like to know that did you 1)read the verses you yourself referred 2)do you know arabic? or read the orignal arabic content 3) any idea about Intoxicants?

    anwer these then I would reply you.


  16. wasiq (unregistered) on January 4th, 2007 @ 5:06 am

    the x-files continues…..Yaar khatoon ney aik din aur eid manali terey ko kya..? tu eidi ley aur agay chal…..welcome back Mtv pakistan…!


  17. JayJay (unregistered) on January 4th, 2007 @ 11:11 am

    @JayJay: Well, before I answer, I would like to know that did you 1)read the verses you yourself referred 2)do you know arabic? or read the orignal arabic content 3) any idea about Intoxicants?
    anwer these then I would reply you.

    Adnan Siddiqi@ 1) Yes, 2) Yes and 3) Yes: I hope your own answer to your own questions will be affirmative.

    Now you don’t have any more excuses left to avoid replying to my original question.


  18. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on January 4th, 2007 @ 2:18 pm

    @JayJay: If you have read then I am sure you would have enough knowledge that the word “sharab” in Arabic DOESNT mean ALCOHOL? Every wondered why do we use the term “Sharbat” or “Mashroob” in Urdu?

    Mashroob-e-Mashriq Rooh afza-Does it mean wine of east Rooh Afza?

    I am not giving any excuses and the reason I asked you that I wanted to know that whether you copy/pasted from some website or read yourself.

    You yourself mentioned 37:40-48 which ends with

    It will neither dull their senses nor befuddle

    them.

    While everyone knows that alcohol makes someone to lose his senses. So thise verse doesn’t mean ALCOHOL anyway.

    then you mentioned Koran 56:7-40 which ends as:

    ewers and a cup of purest wine:

    First of all this translation is unauthentic and naughty as I believe that “wine” was added delibrately. Every muslim knows that Pickthall and Yousuf Ali are the most authentic translations of Quran in English and when I read their translation, they say something as:

    056.016
    YUSUFALI: Reclining on them, facing each other.
    PICKTHAL: Reclining therein face to face.

    056.018
    YUSUFALI: With goblets, (shining) beakers, and cups (filled) out of clear-flowing fountains:

    PICKTHAL: With bowls and ewers and a cup from a pure spring

    but since translations re interpetitions, one could read the orignal arabic text here

    then you mentioned:

    Koran 78:31 as Theirs shall be gardens and vineyards,

    First of all you referred the wrong verse # and it’s actually 32. The arabic text doesn’t reflect anything regarding alcochol here. Check yourself the arabic text of same verse.

    The verse 56:55 contains the word “sharb” as “Shorbal Heym” means drinks like a thristy camel. Now someone might translate is “wine of camel” since it has the term ‘Sharab’?

    Islam/Quran completely prohbits INTOXICANTS and it was mentioned more than once in Quran.


    Quran, 2.219: They ask thee concerning wine and gambling. Say: “In them is great sin, and some profit, for men; but the sin is greater than the profit.” They ask thee how much they are to spend; Say: “What is beyond your needs.” Thus doth Allah Make clear to you His Signs: In order that ye may consider.


    O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,- of Satan’s handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper.The Holy Quran, 5.90: O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,- of Satan’s handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper.(Quran:5.90)

    Satan’s plan is (but) to excite enmity and hatred between you, with intoxicants and gambling, and hinder you from the remembrance of Allah, and from prayer: will ye not then abstain?(Quran: 5.91

    Quran clearly mentioned Intoxicants are not allowed this is why I asked you whether you have any idea about intoxicants or not.

    Now who’s giving excuses, decide yourself. I don’t need to say further beside one shoudn’t seek religious excuses for pathetic fantasies. Next time do read orignal arabic text along with authentic translation rather copying from Internet.


  19. d0ct0r (unregistered) on January 4th, 2007 @ 3:01 pm

    @JayJay heaven is an exceptional case… many things that are prohibited here are allowed in after life, there won’t be any social implications and problems in after life and all the desires would be fulfilled ..
    God just wants to test our patience , and for this patience we’ll be rewarded…


  20. Original-Faisal (unregistered) on January 4th, 2007 @ 6:10 pm

    So, in other words, in the afterlife it will be ok to be an alcoholic womanizer. Ha!


  21. Concerned (unregistered) on January 4th, 2007 @ 8:15 pm

    I am really disappointed to hear people justifying drinking and dancing (even if it is at Mehandis). I dont mind what people do in their own homes but you have no right to say that it doesnot make you a bad muslim, bec if I remember correctly these things were Haram.

    You might be a good person but it is still Haram and therefore you are a bad muslim. These things are haram for a reason, because they lead to the degradation of our morals. Imagine if these things became more common and all restrictions were lifted, You might not notice it now, but 15-20 yrs from now when your son or daughter walks in drunk or does something stupid while drunk then you will realise.

    As for Pakistan living in the stone age, my dear if following my religion means I look backward, then I am backward. And if you cannot take living in the stoneage with the rest of us, you are more then welcome to go to the civilised world where girls get pregnant at the age of 11-12 or where drunk driving is normal on weekends or where you can find people puking all over the place on a major holiday.


  22. Poo Poo head (unregistered) on January 4th, 2007 @ 8:43 pm

    So, in other words, in the afterlife it will be ok to be an alcoholic womanizer. Ha!

    Depends on your perspective. I am too lazy to write some thing meaningful right now as reply so I would just pray that Allah gives all of us strength and faith.


  23. Anon (unregistered) on January 5th, 2007 @ 3:00 am

    Girls in pakistan also get pregnant at the age of 12-13, they also infact get burnt by their husbands and relatives – muslims are no better than christians as human beings, no doubt about it! Muslims are probably worse, hypocrits, lost and confused!


  24. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on January 5th, 2007 @ 9:50 am

    Actually I had replied to JayJay Mian but since it got lengthy so it’s held for approval. JayJay actually don’t know that the word “sharab” in urdu and arabic have very different meanings. in Urdu it means alcohol while in arabic it means a “drink”. Even in urdu we use Mashroob and Sharabat words for drinking stuff.

    Jayjay copied all the data from somewebsite which even produced wrong translation of 56:7-40, which according to authentic translations like Pickthall and YOusuif Ali is:

    YUSUFALI: With goblets, (shining) beakers, and cups (filled) out of clear-flowing fountains:


    PICKTHAL: With bowls and ewers and a cup from a pure spring

    and it contains no term like “cup of purest wine:”, neither in Orignal arabic text nor in English. Infact Jayjay refuted himself by quoting 37:40-48 in which it was mentioned as:


    those who drink it. It will neither dull their senses nor befuddle them.

    and it’s not a nature of a “Sharab”. Alcochol always makes lost of sense when use in accession while the quranic text says that it would “NOT DULL” the sense.

    IN orignal text in arabic it was also not mentioned any term which gives the meaning of “alcohol” in arabic

    I could produce lots of mistakes in the post but it would again make a lengthy post.

    what quran says about alchol and gambling, read yourself.

    The Holy Quran, 2.219: They ask thee concerning wine and gambling. Say: “In them is great sin, and some profit, for men; but the sin is greater than the profit.” They ask thee how much they are to spend; Say: “What is beyond your needs.” Thus doth Allah Make clear to you His Signs: In order that ye may consider.

    The Holy Quran, 5.90: O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,- of Satan’s handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper.

    I wonder our english zealots fail to grasp the meanings of intoxicants? why is it so hard to make an effort to find yourself the actual thing in orignal source even in the presence of Internet? why such ignorance?


  25. Anon (unregistered) on January 5th, 2007 @ 11:51 am

    @Adnan, thanks for the clarification.


  26. JayJay (unregistered) on January 5th, 2007 @ 3:03 pm

    ADNAN SIDDIQI: If your interpretation is to be trusted, it will take away one of the biggest attraction from heaven. One might as well drink here, if one is not going to have it in the second life after suffering a “dry” life. While men still have 72 virgins to play around with, poor Muslim women will receive a double whammy – wretched in the life and nothing to look forward to in the other world (as if it exists at all). Duded out all the way.

    You have not presented the translation from Pickthal or Yousaf Ali for any other verse, which I had cited, except 56:7-40. I take it that you agree with the translation I had quoted for these verses.

    Anyway, contrary to your interpretation of word, “Sharab”, Dr Israr Ahmad (47:15), relying on Pickthal, seems very clear that the faithful would be rewarded with “rivers of wine delicious to drinkers”. He has not used word water or juice but wine. (http://www.tanzeem.org/resources/quranonline/English/Pickthall/surah47.html)

    Dr Israr Ahmad again refutes your theory about on “Sharab” at 83.25. “They are given to drink of a pure wine, sealed,” (http://www.tanzeem.org/resources/quranonline/English/Pickthall/surah83.html)

    Next you will say 72 virgins is also an illusion. Don’t spoil the concept of paradise for a few who still trust the mumbo-jumbo.


  27. Tahir (unregistered) on January 5th, 2007 @ 4:13 pm

    @Adnan, DOCTOR,
    lets stop wasting our time, not everyone here is a muslim. The muslims even if they drink, know they are doing bad and ask for Allah’s forgiveness. The non-muslims can continue to drink, i dont mind.


  28. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on January 5th, 2007 @ 4:45 pm

    Jay: As I clearly mentioned that when arabic source is present, I dont need anyone else whether its asrar or pickthall. *nuff said*



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