A point of view..

A quote by a butcher made in Dailytimes year roundup article,

“Sure, the poor and the middle class always suffer but then if you look at it, this is because they didn’t earn like others did. They should also earn like the others if they want to survive.” while talking about the skyrocketing price of meat.

Agree or Disagree?

14 Comments so far

  1. K.A (unregistered) on January 3rd, 2007 @ 10:06 pm

    Disagree, In my opinion, the butcher over-simplified the situation.


  2. Arsalaan Haleem (unregistered) on January 3rd, 2007 @ 10:18 pm

    Huh!! Mansoor, I don’t think I understand what you are trying to say here,…but my analysis of the situation is that instead of everyone running after making more and more money, wouldn’t it be easier just to control the prices so that everyone can enjoy the basic necessities.

    I can be wrong here, but isn’t its easier to ‘police’ a few thousand monopolistic traders, then to tell 150 million people to go and make as much money as you can because you need it.


  3. Lies (unregistered) on January 4th, 2007 @ 2:03 am

    Thats called Communism. Marx beat you too it by a bit.Didn’t work.


  4. ash (unregistered) on January 4th, 2007 @ 3:43 am

    yes the free market beat out the commies “from each according to their ability to each according to their need” agenda. But free market/capitalism assumes that their is a level playing board.(certainly not in pakistan)
    A society which is repressive, unequal and unable to provide basic tools for industry to its people can not expect the illiterate poor disadvantaged to suddenly change their own fate.
    The truth is as always somewhere in the middle of those two ideologies.


  5. ash (unregistered) on January 4th, 2007 @ 3:43 am

    there not their


  6. Alam (unregistered) on January 4th, 2007 @ 5:37 am

    Ash,

    Can there be an equal-opportunity society in market economy?

    If yes, u r telling me that Bill Gate’s child will be attending the same school as any other kid? That u can send ur kid to MIT even if u r running 7-11?


  7. Dee (unregistered) on January 4th, 2007 @ 6:24 am

    If only you can give us some examples of how one can earn more money?. Besides,higher education and born in a previliged home.Higher education is not accessable to everyone due to financial constraints.Also, dont forget the environment.It requires effort from a whole family as well as system to help ppl suceed in a society.I dont know if we have that system.But i will sure hope someday we do.Amin.
    Dee


  8. ash (unregistered) on January 4th, 2007 @ 6:42 am

    The whole world is imperfect. But Bill gates’s kid will not be richer than his nanny’s kid if the nanny’s kid is an american and a genius. So far no other counrty approaches that level of reward for potential.Dont get me wrong if communism didnt embrace atheism i wouldve been one.


  9. mansoor (unregistered) on January 4th, 2007 @ 10:15 am

    in the free market economy, you can go and setup a business if your willing, and it will succeed, if ur shrewd about it,

    govt. red tape is everywhere, even though ours may be more than others, but it still exists. Even in the high and mighty america, its lobbying which gives you benefits, not abiding by the rules. The rules will take u down :p


  10. ash (unregistered) on January 4th, 2007 @ 10:44 am

    thats right mansoor but thats b/c america is not free market enough!


  11. Poo Poo head (unregistered) on January 4th, 2007 @ 7:18 pm

    Islam is much closer to communism. They force you to take way your wealth and Islam precahes to distribute your wealth. Both work towards the same goal but the approach is different.


  12. ash (unregistered) on January 5th, 2007 @ 12:29 am

    PPH
    Islam is pretty socialist in many ways. But capitalist in others. Our Prophet PBUH and his first wife worked in a “buisness”. Islam does not prohibit slavery although we have guidelines for the humane treatment of slaves etc.
    Even zakat is a percentage of what you earn/save …like taxes…certainly not like communism when you can’t earn above a certain limit.


  13. Poo Poo head (unregistered) on January 5th, 2007 @ 8:29 am

    Ash,

    I said Islam is much “closer” to socialism as compared to capitalism. I agree that Islam has always encouraged business and it has asked us to earn good because there is hadith that poverty is much closer to “kufr” but buisness does not mean capitalism. Islam model of business is very clean as compared to today’s model. Islam has no concept of interest[nor cheating] so any one should be able to do business which is not possible in today’s corporate world where riches are getting more rich and poors are getting more poor. I would take socialism over capitalism any day.

    Zakat is not like taxes. You pay taxes because you receive services. You pay Zakat because it cleans your wealth. In return of Zakat, you don’t expect any thing.You even can not expect “Sawab” becuase this is for wellness of our money.

    Isalm says that we should not think of tomorrow and should trust in Allah. This means that earn good and then spend well on your family (other hadith is that the best money is that money which is spend on family) what ever is remaining, we are encouraged and expected(not forced like communism) to distribute our wealth so end result is the same as communism but the difference is that you earn Allah’ favor in return. Islam has combined the best of capitalism and socialism. There has been hadith that you could not be true Muslim unless you like the things for your brother as you like for yourself. All these things hint to socialism.

    There has been times in Muslim History when severals have denoted all their money for others. At the war of Tabook, Usman RA brought half of his trade and Ali RA brought his whole house stuff and said that he has left the name of Allah’s and His prophet PBUH at home.


  14. ash (unregistered) on January 5th, 2007 @ 9:54 am

    I agree that islam combines socialism and capitalism. I disagreed with islam being “much closer to communism” as you originally said. But i get the gist of what you meant.



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