Eid, ego, eliminated

After Inspirex’s post on the crass indifference of those offering prayers, The News has another Eid related story. The torment of a sacrificial animal led the owner to object, but to his misfortune they belonged to a “secular political party” (read between the lines) and ended up killing a family member.

Another bitter tale in a city where the only thing that really matters is a gun.

12 Comments so far

  1. Karachiite (unregistered) on January 6th, 2007 @ 12:12 pm

    Yaar, one gang related murder in a city of 15 million cannot be used to condemn the whole city.

    By the way, while Karachi has a high murder rate compared to equally sized Muslim cities like Cairo or Tehran, yet it is lower than in “civilized” places like New York or Chicago.

  2. Cy (unregistered) on January 6th, 2007 @ 12:21 pm

    Spoken like a true ignorant Karachiite.

    I’d like to see a survey that compares the crime rates between Karachi and NY that makes your point – good luck finding it.

  3. Karachiite (unregistered) on January 6th, 2007 @ 1:05 pm

    Murders per 100,000 population:

    Karachi: 5
    New York: 7

    I got these figures from the following sources. The figure for New York has already been calculated while I figured it out for Karachi based on 743 murders in a population of 15m.

    New York


  4. EnVoy (unregistered) on January 6th, 2007 @ 1:14 pm

    Go Karachi Go…..WOOO HOOOO!!!!! :-)

  5. Mariam (unregistered) on January 6th, 2007 @ 1:28 pm


    Not every murder which takes place in Karachi(and other third world cities) is reported to the authorities and same goes for other crimes. If these statistics are showing such a little difference then it only proves murder rate is quite high in our beloved city. As long as we are talking about statistics; what is your information about other crimes such as phone snatching, burglary, firing and etc.

    I’m quite saddened by this that Edhi center the most favored charity ignored for sacrificial animals skin. I wonder how much role gundas from Jammat and MQM played as it’s a common knowledge that they start harassing people long before Eid. If someone unable to deliver the skin they have to pay cash otherwise there are consequences or what not.

  6. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on January 6th, 2007 @ 2:43 pm

    Cy,It was not a difficult task to google and find facts yourself. Regardless the authenticity of rate of murders in both sources. The guy has proved his point that rate of murder in KHI is greater than NYC. He mentioned “rate of murder” not rate of net crimes. On the other hand you provided no evidence to refute his claim. Now who came out as a “true ignorant karachiite”, decide yourself.

    Not every murder which takes place in Karachi(and other third world cities) is reported to the authorities and same goes for other crimes

    Fine, nobody can ignore this fact but this is not with 3rd world countries only. You can’t claim that every crime on Americal soil is reported to FBI or police dept. Yes I agree that reporting system in US would be better than KHI but one should find out the reasons behind it, use of technology,skilled policemen, proper training for policemen to cope with different kinds of crimes,training of citzens to cope with such situations,less corruption, these are few of many things which are not followed by Pakistani[Sind govt] and If I keep all these things in mind that things are STILL a lot better than NYC. Noone can claim that snatching is an alien concept in NYC or any other American city.

    The worst thing is that there is no step being taken by concerned authorities and if things keep going like this then I am sure that soon will beat NYC and would earn the title of “city of higest crime rate in the world”.

  7. Cy (unregistered) on January 6th, 2007 @ 3:48 pm

    Adnan wrote: “Regardless the authenticity of rate of murders in both sources. The guy has proved his point that rate of murder in KHI is greater than NYC.”

    I assume you meant the opposite? In any case, how do you “prove” something if the authenticity of the data is itself in question?

    As for Karachiite did you bother reading the rest of the “statistics”?

    “The minister said the number of cell phone snatching /theft incidents during January-June this year stood at 720, but declined to 438 during the second half of the year.”

    So, according to your source, 1158 phones were stolen in 2004. Stretching credulity a wee bit, don’t you think?

    Nevermind. I’m going to return to my policy of not commenting on threads I’ve started.

  8. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on January 6th, 2007 @ 7:25 pm

    I assume you meant the opposite?

    No it means that my opinion doesn’t matter and I am not considering credible to both of you.

    Nowhere I got agreed with you or that guy. You asked him to provide a survey as a proof[fake/genuine doesn’t matter] so he did while on other hand you didn’t provide anything which could back your statment instead of that you called him an ignorant[Ad hominem] which is surprising from a person like you.

    how do you “prove” something if the authenticity of the data is itself in question?

    very true. Infact we are living in an era where the things appear in media can’t be taken seriously but the question is why one should consider YOU authentic while you didn’t even bother to provide any data? I have no problem if you provide some stats which refute his claim.

  9. shaDy (unregistered) on January 8th, 2007 @ 10:47 am

    Minor squabbles aside, I find this story revolting. It’s got so much wrong in it that I can’t help but wonder how you guys can argue over what city has more murders. I’m sure we have way more murders than new york that aren’t reported.

    check out: http://www.karachinews.net/story/223219

    the thing is that nobody really knows what’s happening. 400 people could get quietly bumped off and mass buried and nobody except their families would know that they’re missing, or care. it’s very different in western countries, as they have a much better infrastructure than us for dealing with such things. If you don’t turn up to work or classes for three days the authorities are notified. Compare that to our “FIR”‘s and all the red tape one has to dance through just to file a missing phone report. Nobody wants to get into that headache, so a lot of crimes/murders just aren’t reported. With that said:

    There is no comparison between New York and Karachi.

    But since we’re on the subject of cities…. I’d rather live in new york for 1 reason:

    1. GIRLZ can walk the STREETS.

    I assure all of you, if we had given women more power, our men would be much more in control and happier too. It’s common knowledge that people who don’t get enough exposure to women become a little weird.

    did i mention they like bothering animals and roam around in packs like dogs? well i have now.

    They also turn gay (lack of choices / khwaree) and take to holding hands etc. (a familiar sight in karachi near any bus stop – two guys holding hands and walking), which is something I find hilarious since we’re all such a bunch of pseudo-religious freaks anyway, and being OF THEE GAY is not acceptable in islam (apparently).

    We’re a country full of hypocrites.

    Where are all the online religious preachers / do goody gooders now? Why aren’t they helping these poor people who’ve had such a big injustice done to them? Their FATHER WAS SHOT AND KILLED ON EID FOR STANDING UP FOR AN ANIMAL. Why aren’t you awesome muslims giving them cash? Zakat? Support? A Shoulder to CRY ON? Something?!



  10. UZi (unregistered) on January 8th, 2007 @ 8:05 pm

    @ Shady :: *standing ovation*

  11. salman (unregistered) on January 9th, 2007 @ 2:57 am

    i agree with uzi

  12. Prescriptions Man (unregistered) on January 22nd, 2007 @ 7:39 am

    Not the secret that there are problems about health in the countries of the third world, at the developed tourism it becomes a problem and for US WBR LeoP

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