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		<title>By: wasiq</title>
		<link>http://karachi.metblogs.com/2007/01/09/a-tale-of-2-rs/comment-page-1/#comment-23789</link>
		<dc:creator>wasiq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 06:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>abbey yaar yehan bahut serious discussion chal rahaa hai bachoun ka yahaan koi kam nahein lets go to the next post....lol
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>abbey yaar yehan bahut serious discussion chal rahaa hai bachoun ka yahaan koi kam nahein lets go to the next post&#8230;.lol</p>
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		<title>By: Sufi</title>
		<link>http://karachi.metblogs.com/2007/01/09/a-tale-of-2-rs/comment-page-1/#comment-23788</link>
		<dc:creator>Sufi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 06:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bhai, tum log piyo dubbon ka doodh. mein to taza hi piyonn ga :P

Packaged/processed milk in the US/EU is used widely primarily becuase it would cost a hell lot more to distribute &amp; buy the fresh milk. Its a good naimat that you get taaza doodh so cheaply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bhai, tum log piyo dubbon ka doodh. mein to taza hi piyonn ga :P</p>
<p>Packaged/processed milk in the US/EU is used widely primarily becuase it would cost a hell lot more to distribute &amp; buy the fresh milk. Its a good naimat that you get taaza doodh so cheaply.</p>
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		<title>By: ahmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>ahmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look guys r going beyond the scope of reason, If the Big Corporations like Nestle and others dont force the local Dhoodh/Pani wala to up the price n dec his quality ppl arent gonna change the trend of buying Unpasteurised Milk, My Cousin told me that in ISL for the past 2 yrs there has been a campaign on the hygienicity of the Milk n ppl have changed the their preference to Brands so i guess it will take time but we all will essentially be forced to opt out n the gawwalahs will have nothing to do but sell to Corporations. Coiuld u guys shed some light on it as i m not there in Pak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look guys r going beyond the scope of reason, If the Big Corporations like Nestle and others dont force the local Dhoodh/Pani wala to up the price n dec his quality ppl arent gonna change the trend of buying Unpasteurised Milk, My Cousin told me that in ISL for the past 2 yrs there has been a campaign on the hygienicity of the Milk n ppl have changed the their preference to Brands so i guess it will take time but we all will essentially be forced to opt out n the gawwalahs will have nothing to do but sell to Corporations. Coiuld u guys shed some light on it as i m not there in Pak.</p>
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		<title>By: d0ct0r</title>
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		<dc:creator>d0ct0r</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 00:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>comparing telecom industry with dairy sector won&#039;t be fair... mobile operators simply invest in hardware and are ready to offer services whereas with dairy sector raw material (milk) is involved which has to be painstakingly collected the processed and then delivered.. only thing that can be adopted from telecom experience is the role of regulator(PTA) which is positive and mutually beneficial for both consumer and well as the industry...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>comparing telecom industry with dairy sector won&#8217;t be fair&#8230; mobile operators simply invest in hardware and are ready to offer services whereas with dairy sector raw material (milk) is involved which has to be painstakingly collected the processed and then delivered.. only thing that can be adopted from telecom experience is the role of regulator(PTA) which is positive and mutually beneficial for both consumer and well as the industry&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: MB</title>
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		<dc:creator>MB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@MANSOOR

Great, nice comment. I agree completely to what you said specially the competition point.</description>
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<p>Great, nice comment. I agree completely to what you said specially the competition point.</p>
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		<title>By: mansoor</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, im in favour of packaged milk, and the only reason being that it is not largely water!

And price controls dont work, competition does. Instead of making the market more competitive (telecom industry?) price bans make it less attractive. Many people drop out, and the remaining get monopoly over their areas/sector/niches/whatever. Let two three more distributors get up and running (like Olpers and Goodmilk) and you&#039;ll see a whole new ball game. Another one of the problems is the ganging up of a particular industry against the consumer. E.g. Car Battery manufacturers are all producing the same low quality batteries and selling them at high prices. You have 4 brands to choose from, but theres no difference apart from the color used. All will die within a year :S The same can be seen in the packaged milk industry, where through &quot;TetraPak&quot; they&#039;ve essentially ganged up on the little man. 

And i am surprised that we&#039;re in the top 5 milk producers and YET we have no milk for ourselves. 

But as with all problems, there are opportunities for business here as well. Momekh on Lahore MB posted a few months back of starting up a milk distribution company, &lt;a href=&quot;http://lahore.metblogs.com/archives/2006/06/fresh_milk_deli.phtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Keemak Milk&lt;/a&gt;, where he gets the milk directly from the farms, packages it, and sells to houses at very reasonable rates..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, im in favour of packaged milk, and the only reason being that it is not largely water!</p>
<p>And price controls dont work, competition does. Instead of making the market more competitive (telecom industry?) price bans make it less attractive. Many people drop out, and the remaining get monopoly over their areas/sector/niches/whatever. Let two three more distributors get up and running (like Olpers and Goodmilk) and you&#8217;ll see a whole new ball game. Another one of the problems is the ganging up of a particular industry against the consumer. E.g. Car Battery manufacturers are all producing the same low quality batteries and selling them at high prices. You have 4 brands to choose from, but theres no difference apart from the color used. All will die within a year :S The same can be seen in the packaged milk industry, where through &#8220;TetraPak&#8221; they&#8217;ve essentially ganged up on the little man. </p>
<p>And i am surprised that we&#8217;re in the top 5 milk producers and YET we have no milk for ourselves. </p>
<p>But as with all problems, there are opportunities for business here as well. Momekh on Lahore MB posted a few months back of starting up a milk distribution company, <a href="http://lahore.metblogs.com/archives/2006/06/fresh_milk_deli.phtml" rel="nofollow">Keemak Milk</a>, where he gets the milk directly from the farms, packages it, and sells to houses at very reasonable rates..</p>
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		<title>By: AhadAustin</title>
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		<dc:creator>AhadAustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yar Sid 

In Karachi; if only for One day People don&#039;t buy the Milk from Dood walla (Pani walla). But (abay yaar kion kerayga)  

Buy the Haleeb, Opel, or Milk pack. What ganna happend ? Who will suffer (Dood walla) ? As we are Good Nation for Boycotts lets fights local Dens First. Right ! 

God helps those who help themselves. 

Think Global Act Local 

Ahad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yar Sid </p>
<p>In Karachi; if only for One day People don&#8217;t buy the Milk from Dood walla (Pani walla). But (abay yaar kion kerayga)  </p>
<p>Buy the Haleeb, Opel, or Milk pack. What ganna happend ? Who will suffer (Dood walla) ? As we are Good Nation for Boycotts lets fights local Dens First. Right ! </p>
<p>God helps those who help themselves. </p>
<p>Think Global Act Local </p>
<p>Ahad</p>
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		<title>By: JayJay</title>
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		<dc:creator>JayJay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few factors which should be considered in this debate to help us understand milk shortage and rising prices:

‚Ä¢	Lack of milk storage facilities (freezers, etc) at the point of production, which results in wastage (ask any Punjabi villager where the utilization of surplus milk is a problem on occasions) as the daily production has to be consumed daily;
‚Ä¢	Lack of safe milk transportation facilities (frigid trucks) from the point of production to the processing/selling point - again results in wastage, restricted delivery circles, and high mark-ups charged by the middleman - Karachi therefore cannot be supplied from Sargodha, Sahiwal or other major milk producing areas;
‚Ä¢	Inadequate milk processing facilities - again wastage results; 
‚Ä¢	Inadequate commercialization of milk production industry. Majority of milk in produced by small scale farmers, with limited resources and technical expertise, rather than by large, professionally run, dairy farms;
‚Ä¢	Inadequate scientific research is conducted to augment milk production per animal as well as minimum information flow from research institutions to producers, if any research is carried out; 
‚Ä¢	Informal marketing methods (dhoodwalas, instead of bottled milk from supermarkets) resulting in artificial pricing, lack of quality of the product and insufficient incentives for producers;

If you think here might be more factors.

BTW, Pakistan is the fifth largest producers of milk in the world and houses third largest number of buffaloes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few factors which should be considered in this debate to help us understand milk shortage and rising prices:</p>
<p>‚Ä¢	Lack of milk storage facilities (freezers, etc) at the point of production, which results in wastage (ask any Punjabi villager where the utilization of surplus milk is a problem on occasions) as the daily production has to be consumed daily;<br />
‚Ä¢	Lack of safe milk transportation facilities (frigid trucks) from the point of production to the processing/selling point &#8211; again results in wastage, restricted delivery circles, and high mark-ups charged by the middleman &#8211; Karachi therefore cannot be supplied from Sargodha, Sahiwal or other major milk producing areas;<br />
‚Ä¢	Inadequate milk processing facilities &#8211; again wastage results;<br />
‚Ä¢	Inadequate commercialization of milk production industry. Majority of milk in produced by small scale farmers, with limited resources and technical expertise, rather than by large, professionally run, dairy farms;<br />
‚Ä¢	Inadequate scientific research is conducted to augment milk production per animal as well as minimum information flow from research institutions to producers, if any research is carried out;<br />
‚Ä¢	Informal marketing methods (dhoodwalas, instead of bottled milk from supermarkets) resulting in artificial pricing, lack of quality of the product and insufficient incentives for producers;</p>
<p>If you think here might be more factors.</p>
<p>BTW, Pakistan is the fifth largest producers of milk in the world and houses third largest number of buffaloes.</p>
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		<title>By: UnholySaint</title>
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		<dc:creator>UnholySaint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 11:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo SUFI! This is the 1st time I have seen a reasonable argument produced on a board on the internet! And you have got reasonable responses too! Agree or disagree, I am delighted to hear very reasonable and educated opinions!

I feel its a lack of 
1. enforced regulations on the Milk industry to preserve quality of the product
2. Competition 
3. Lack of accountability - i.e. corruption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo SUFI! This is the 1st time I have seen a reasonable argument produced on a board on the internet! And you have got reasonable responses too! Agree or disagree, I am delighted to hear very reasonable and educated opinions!</p>
<p>I feel its a lack of<br />
1. enforced regulations on the Milk industry to preserve quality of the product<br />
2. Competition<br />
3. Lack of accountability &#8211; i.e. corruption.</p>
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		<title>By: d0ct0r</title>
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		<dc:creator>d0ct0r</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 05:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*aggravated</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*aggravated</p>
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