KMB Bloggers Lead the Way for Main Stream Media

http://karachi.metblogs.com/archives/images/2007/01/SeaView%20Sculptures-thumb.jpgCitizen Journalism or more commonly known as blogging is a phenomenon that has engulfed the information age in the recent few years, it is, as we all know a unique concept which allows even a person at home the ability to discuss and report an issue or news item immediately far sooner then the early morning paper produced by the main stream media. Pakistan is not far behind as blogging is slowly becoming popular and a well-known concept with blogs like KMB becoming popular by the day, there is no doubt that a time will come when bloggers would be in a position to give the classic paper based journalist a run for their money.

One such incident appeared just recently when Jamash reported on the Sculptures Along Seaview End Up Stolen on the morning of January 24th and the very next day on the 25th Urooj Zia of Daily Times covers the story accompanied by a picture which ‘appears’ to be a photoshopped version of the image taken by Jamash, since they don’t attribute credit to the KMB as a source we assume (and also claimed by Urooj Zia in her email exchange with Mansoor) that it was taken by a Daily Times photographer. But a closer side-by-side comparison does reveal some remarkable similarities, the same shot taken from the same angle with the exact same light source can only lead to suspicion. All said, its no use arguing over an image but we take this in a positive light and stand proud to have become an important source where the main stream media journalists look to us for news stories to be later reported within the pages of a filthy-rich main stream media, while we on the other hand continue to do voluntary work purely for the sake of having a good time (*snicker*)
http://karachi.metblogs.com/archives/images/2007/01/vandalised-thumb.jpg
Update: I feel it is important to share the image taken by Dawn published on 26th Jan 2006 Metropolitan Section Page 3. It shows another image of the sculptures maybe not the exact same statue but one of the few placed by the artist

98 Comments so far

  1. Poo Poo head (unregistered) on January 28th, 2007 @ 11:36 pm

    Dr. Sahib : Actually I am relativist. I do not have any principles except 1)I would never accept any dictatorship 2) I will always try to held one’s self respect. I make my own rules and I break them and then comes up with new. Say me what ever but no one could question my integrity. Oh yeah, I have to email you back but I am collecting my thoughts and once I am done, I will and it will be soon believe me.

    Omar, here it seems that you are actually launching personal attacks, why could not you imagine for a second that Uzi was right and all is mis understanding. Please give yourself chance.

    MU, you are a sick person. Why are you asking proofs ? For you a pic is more important than one’s word.Uzi is not gonna post any pic and serve your request. You may go to Hell.

    Uzi. I admire you for facing all these stupid comments. Most of the times when I have criticized these KMB authors, they never responded back. Good luck and I wish to see you more active here. we need active people like you.

    Uzi is she or he. No difference as long as she can stand tall for her.


  2. UZi (unregistered) on January 28th, 2007 @ 11:45 pm

    Mu :: will do!


  3. d0ct0r (unregistered) on January 28th, 2007 @ 11:50 pm

    Zag’s pic of Khayaban-e-Ittehad was used in KESC’s newsletter “connection” and distributed with montly bill this month.. the min a saw the pic i knew where it came from but they did’nt gave him any credit and even cropped out the “KARACHI” watermark… here is simply no concept of giving credit…

    http://zagtalk.surferzag.com/?p=208
    http://zagtalk.surferzag.com/?p=254


  4. A for [pine]apple (unregistered) on January 28th, 2007 @ 11:51 pm

    After reading this whole thread Gosh I’m even more interested in rest of the pics … Uzi why dont you grab the photographer along, to this thread, too ;-)

    BTW Uzi you can get zillions of Ideas for more reports in DT by this thread alone *think think*


  5. Jamash (unregistered) on January 29th, 2007 @ 12:00 am

    Thank you Ramla :) .

    Uzi, Doctor Sahab had been really polite with post, actually I was too furious to say anything when I saw My photograph in the newspaper, It was a poor rip-off attempt and your (or your newspaper) failed in it. Your are a reporter, talk to any professional photographer, and he will tell you that it is impossible even for me to reproduce the same shot with the exact same camera and light source angle. It was only possible if I had my camera fastened to a tripod and would have left it at the exact place for your photographer to find it later.

    I know My KMB post became a story source, but my image ending up in a news paper without my permission, and without giving me any credits… and it’s not even about credits, if you would have just asked me I would have told you to go ahead and print it, I might even have given you a larger and better image but you guys were so unethical that a small thing such asking permission looked too far fetched an idea to you and you decided to simply rip it off KMB.. That’s sad

    You know that’s exactly the same is piracy which is eating away our media industry, killing our artists forcing them (like for example Ali Azmat) to make Coftazz on a cooking show instead of singing.


  6. Poo Poo head (unregistered) on January 29th, 2007 @ 12:09 am

    Jamash , is your photo shop licensed ? Is your windows licensed ? Are all softwares in your box licensed ? Just answer me honestly please …. If answer of any is No then you do not have any rights to come of your bill and asking for copy rights.

    Please answer me and do not ignore. At least Uzi replied to all of those accusations/comments. Not replying this comment would mean that you are hyprocrite and I would understand that. And please do not tell me that having illegal softwares is some what different than copying your pic [let’s assume that you are right].


  7. Jamash (unregistered) on January 29th, 2007 @ 12:28 am

    Yeah, I am one of the only few people who have actually purchased windows XP Professional and Photoshop from the Inbox. The Microsoft office in Karachi told me they don’t have OneNote to be sold in Pakistan and have said that I can use one without worrying about the license till they introduce the product for Pakistan.

    Please note That I am not running a commercial business and yet I spent around Rs. 25,000 just so I could have the legal software.


  8. ash (unregistered) on January 29th, 2007 @ 12:29 am

    Uzi to be very honest you made it sound on jamash’s post like you had thought of the same thing before he did. However I admire your honesty in admitting that he was the first one there intellectually.
    Keeping things in perspective if a mistake was made then hopefully it wont be made again. I do respect her journalism here, at least she wrote a thoughtful intelligent piece.
    For what its worth jamash all your readers here are very impressed with your investigative journalism.


  9. Lilly (unregistered) on January 29th, 2007 @ 12:34 am

    I agree with Poo Poo Head! losers! I can’t believe the sh*t you guys talking about. I think KMB writers should be invited to a program I am planning to launch very soon: “‘Obsessive Compulsive With Too Much Time on Their Hands.” :P

    Jamash: Do you seek permission from microsoft for windows which you are using to post these stupid comments?

    Omar Qureshi: If you are so jealous, why don’t you just take your misery somewhere else or kill yourself?


  10. Lilly (unregistered) on January 29th, 2007 @ 12:39 am

    @Jamash: Show us the proof of licenses you are claiming to have. Since you do not take other’s words so why should I belive what you claim?


  11. Poo Poo head (unregistered) on January 29th, 2007 @ 12:39 am

    Jamash, you did not not answer my 3rd question “Are all of your software …. ” Besides I do not trust you unless you scan all the receipts and drafts of your conversation with Microsoft. I would also like you to take your PC to one of my friend in Karachi and he would check all your softwares in your machine and then I could trust you otherwise I am sorry and I would think you are a liar.

    My next level would be , you have not rented/bought any Indian/English CDs/DVDs ? Right ?? I know I will get you my friend some where ….

    Ash could you please contact me at paloaltanbuddy@yahoo.com. Need to talk with you about some thing.


  12. A for [pine]apple (unregistered) on January 29th, 2007 @ 1:00 am

    BTW if the robbers who actually stole the sculptures get hold of this thread they would be delighted enuff … I guess arent these enuff of clarifications??


  13. Poo Poo head (unregistered) on January 29th, 2007 @ 1:05 am

    Those scupltures would be in drawing room of some house in defence and the guy would be saying that we paid 10 lacs for this piece.

    Jamash I am still waiting for your reply and receipts. I won’t let you go “now” my friend


  14. Teeth Maestro (unregistered) on January 29th, 2007 @ 1:27 am

    PPH – you are simply distracting away from the topic – The post is about Daily Times and plagiarism. He posted an image and feels it was copied by a newspaper without his consent. mind you I used the word ‘feels’ but as per Uzi response she claims that it has not been….. so what can we do…

    Jamash has the right to ask the question and what he does with his computer should basically not matter here – I hope Jamash you DO NOT respond to this query as it will definitely distract away from the topic. again PPH nothing personal here


  15. Poo Poo head (unregistered) on January 29th, 2007 @ 2:03 am

    Dr Sahib, I never take things personals and I value people more than their words/actions.

    Regarding distracting away from topic, I do not think that I am. Jamash is not feeling any thing, he is simply accusing one for stealing. Uzi has clearly told that she has not but no one is trusting her and that is very ridiculous. Unless we know that accuser is very clean person, we should not take any thing said by him seriously. Unless Jamash could show that he is not cheating in first place, how could we trust her. And what Jamash has told about light and tripod position is simply ridiculous. I have taken 3 advance courses in computer grafix and I know every thing is possible.

    I also know one basic thing, when you do not trust one’s words then you are simply yourself liar/cheater.

    Uzi please DO NOT post any pic any where. We trust you and you do not need any thing to proof. These people are nothing and you just be your self and let them say what ever they want.

    On the side note, If Jamash still “feels” that his work was copied then he should write to editor of Daily Times. We do need any media trials. Follow official procedures what ever they are instead of ranting uselessly here. Jamash has already got a response from Uzi that she has not copied so I really do not think that we should pursue this case any more.


  16. Sufi (unregistered) on January 29th, 2007 @ 3:17 am

    pph, looks like ap yahan kay soobaydaar lagay hoay ho :P .. i vouch for jamash that he has original copies of the softwares he mentioned. who are you to ask him for the receipts.

    uzi, you used his pic, you should be courteous enough to ask his permission and then you are defending yourself after using his picture. ok so yeah the picture can be reproduced, but I highly doubt if that happened.


  17. Poo Poo head (unregistered) on January 29th, 2007 @ 5:36 am

    Sufi, when I can’t ask for receipts from Jamash then no one should ask for the proof from Uzi and that was the whole point. Why would I care that Jamash uses license softwares or not. If he has paid 25K for the softwares the he is most stupid person I have ever seen. I would rather give 25K to some one needy instead of paying for licenses when I could use softwares w/o buying it and now please dont preach me moral values. To me helping needy is much more imp. than paying to these corporates.


  18. Omar R. Quraishi (unregistered) on January 29th, 2007 @ 10:46 am

    lilly — i have no need to be jealous of someone who indulges in plagiarism please and quit the ‘go-kill-yourself-remarks’

    jamash i completely agree with you and as a journalist with 13 years plus experience (including six as reporter) all I can say is that at the very least your pic should have been given the credit — actually the professional norm would have been to credit the original source of publications — Btw if you want to take this up with the respective newspapers get in touch or email their editors directly. Daily Times’ resident editor in Karachi is Sarfaraz Ahmed (you can give him my reference — say Omar R. Quraishi of The News and formerly of Dawn told you to get in touch with him), for Dawn it’s Abbas Nasir and for The News it Talat Aslam — I think you will find all them reasonable and responsive unlike some people here — also if you have any problems getting in touch with Sarfaraz feel free to email me at omarr.quraishi@thenews.com.pk

    ash its not enough for urooj to admit that jamash was the one who mentioned it first — he should have clearly been attributed in her article and so should have been KMB

    Poo poo head and others — FOR THE NTH TIME I dont what people are saying is that Urooj is a malicious thief — what they and certainly I am saying is that she made an error of judgement in being a journalist and this was her failure to not credit Jamash and KMB as the original source of publication of the picture and news item — that’s all — I think the most straightforward and honourable thing would have been to admit that a mistake had been made, to not make it in future and move on from there

    also PPH I am not launching any personal attacks but here I am speaking as a journalist myself — what urooj did was wrong and maybe it wasnt deliberate — and it wouldnt have blown up to this level and become so big (on this blog) had the reporter admitted to her mistake instead of coming up basically silly excuses — the one about ‘sources of information’ and ‘news sources’ being the icing on the cake!


  19. Poo Poo head (unregistered) on January 29th, 2007 @ 11:07 am

    Mr Omar, you are such a low class that I do not even want to reply you but still I am.

    Who has made you God to judge people ? What ever you say, how much you try to sugar coat your bitterness, how much you try to behind your professionalism, I can tell you one thing that you are a low ball. You know it goes all back (if you know what I mean).Stop this rubbishness and take her words and do not try to impress us by mentioning names. No wonder the journalism in Pakistan is so pathetic.


  20. Ramla A. (unregistered) on January 29th, 2007 @ 1:12 pm

    Haven’t read all the comments above. But my (average reader’s) conclusion: The DT picture is very obviously Jamash’s photo, cropped. Resistance is futile.

    Now whether “due credit” should be given?

    Well, there is something interesting we’ve overlooked so far: THE KMB POLICY.

    Other than the courtesy acknowledgment that is being demanded, anyone who uses content from KMB is bound by KMB policy and content usage license.

    Look in the column to the right, the KMB content is licencsed under the Creative Commons Deed “Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 2.0”. (Click to read.)

    It says:

    You are free:

    * to Share — to copy, distribute, display, and perform the work

    Under the following conditions:
    * Attribution. You must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor.
    * Noncommercial. You may not use this work for commercial purposes.
    * No Derivative Works. You may not alter, transform, or build upon this work.

    I just checked, and Jamash’s photos on Flickr have “all rights reserved.”

    So.


  21. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on January 29th, 2007 @ 1:19 pm

    omar qureshi: telling again and again that you have been in industry for long time doesn’t make any sense while I[many other] have experienced your pathetic and sissy behaviour on Adil’s blog many times so better keep your so called friggin holy figure away from this thread while I know how Moron you are.

    as far as urooj matter is concerned, awab made a valid point that urooj should give the contact of designer of DT to KMB authors so that they can ask themselves about the reality. Yes that might not be urooj’s fault and she might just have shown the kmb URL for info and then designer would have gone wicked and STOLE the pic. What would be better for urooj now to give the email etc to kmb people and lead a simple life, she doesn’t need to accept sins which she has not done.


  22. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on January 29th, 2007 @ 2:01 pm

    It’s funny that ex and current employees of Jang group are criticizing Daily Times. It’s like a dacoit asks a theif about stealing.

    Everyone knows about the cunning attitude of Jang group that how they blackmail others and copy things. I personally have read the urdu translation of columns by different columnists around the world without giving any reference to orignal source or even THANKING them and if someone who is not used to read stuff on Internet would give credit to translator of entire research. Intresting thing is that name of translators would alwyas be unknown to regular readers. Jang’s group recent GUMNAM series is the latest example of blackmailing as they are publishing only those figures who are not getting agreed with them. It’s better than Jang group related people here keep their mouth shut while they themselves know the moronic and pathetic status of their own group and network. Most of their good columnists have left the network for other sources like DAWN or Express and only residue is left in form of Nazir Naji and few others. Najir Naji would be more senior than this Omar Qureshi but his experience doesn’t help him to getrid of ignorance which he often demonstrates in the form of articles.


  23. Omar R. Quraishi (unregistered) on January 29th, 2007 @ 2:18 pm

    PPH — i dont want to dignify your post with even a response

    ramla — it’s not KMB policy, its what a professional journalist would always follow — attribute your original source always, esp if its already been published (doesnt matter if its a blog)

    wow — teeth maestro — does your blog allow unsubstantiated personal attacks like this idiot here is making

    sorry to surprise you adnan, i actually worked in dawn for 12 years — and my ‘attacks’ are not directed at a newspapers but more at an erring journalist who refuses to accept that she made a mistake


  24. Mr. X (unregistered) on January 29th, 2007 @ 2:27 pm

    Questioning the creditbility of a journalist is the the worst hit he or she can take. A reporter has not one but many things to report. Time is always in short supply, information keeps flowing in, atleast the reporters, being questioned here, did something about the stolen sculptures.


  25. Omar R. Quraishi (unregistered) on January 29th, 2007 @ 2:30 pm

    Actually The News has recently seen several good writers become regular columnists Adnan such as Shandana Minhas (an excellent writer), Fatima Bhutto (who needs really no introduction), Fasi Zaka (ad executive, Rhodes Scholar and has his own show on MTV), Huma Yusuf (Harvard grad, now at MIT studying comparative media and former Herald features editor), Babar Sattar (former Harvard Law School grad), Ahmed Rafay Alam (convener of the Lahore Bachao Tehreek and lawyer and teacher at LUMS) et al. These are all additions since I took over the op-ed pages when I moved from Dawn around May 2006.

    Dawn, on the other hand (on whose op-ed pages I worked for six years).

    The current editor of The News in Karachi is a former Herald editor and senior assistant editor of Dawn and the head of reporting has also been at Dawn for some years — what I am trying to say is that the impression people may have of the Jang Group doesnt certainly hold true for The News at least — its changing — and we are getting more people as well, including one of Herald’s editors as well —

    Not sure if this makes sense to you Adnan
    Sorry to disappoint you again. BTW you know Adnan a rant is just that — a silly rant — if you dont marshal your facts properly —


  26. Omar R. Quraishi (unregistered) on January 29th, 2007 @ 2:33 pm

    The line above in my post “Dawn, on the other hand (on whose op-ed pages I worked for six years)”

    should read

    “Dawn, on the other hand (on whose op-ed pages I worked for six years) still a lot of foreign articles and many by retired generals and bureaucrats.”


  27. Mr. X (unregistered) on January 29th, 2007 @ 2:38 pm

    And I’ll add….the reporters of The News may not be Harvard graduates but they are committed. They are at work on Ninth of Muharram.


  28. Omar R. Quraishi (unregistered) on January 29th, 2007 @ 2:53 pm

    haha and so is the op-ed staff of the newspaper, neither of whom are harvard graduates either


  29. Mr. X (unregistered) on January 29th, 2007 @ 3:03 pm

    Well this says it all about the Jang Group or at least The News..


  30. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on January 29th, 2007 @ 3:14 pm

    Mr.X is some “ghost” reader who is here to back Omar. Intresting because same jang group strategy is being followed here which they followed to produced a fake series by naming it as “GUMNAM”

    Omar, read again I mentioned Jang paper as I am not a regular reader of THENEWS and I usually read THE DAWN paper. Most of your famous urdu writers has left Jang group like Jawed CH,hasan nisar,Auria Maqbool Jan and Abdul Qadir Hasan and it’s because your network doesn’t allow them to say things against govt which these guys are used to say against Mush regime. Example of Fatima Bhutto is silly because people would be paying attention due to her background rather her ability. “Ghost” like columnists translate international columns and publish them as they were proruced by them. pathetic! and read again moron what I mentioned above:

    What would be better for urooj now to give the email etc to kmb people and lead a simple life, she doesn’t need to accept sins which she has not done

    This is what Awab said as well. That’s her stupidity that she’s taking her personally and everyone else is playing with her. Go and grab the asses of your friends designers at DT who produced the images, why the heck an ageg idiot like you is after her while she herself admitting that she “didn’t produce” the images?


  31. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on January 29th, 2007 @ 3:18 pm


    the reporters of The News may not be Harvard graduates but they are committed. They are at work on Ninth of Muharram.

    yeah they are at office on 9th moharram so that they can make lame comments on KMB against DT. Lamers!


  32. Mr. X (unregistered) on January 29th, 2007 @ 3:26 pm

    Did I said anything againt Daily Times?


  33. Ramla A. (unregistered) on January 29th, 2007 @ 3:44 pm

    Memory lapse?

    DT has also been defended by an “ex-Jang Group member” – myself – on KMB when it was accused, in error, of lifting CNN content. I explained at length about “syndication” and the licensed usage of AP and Reuters content.

    That post has now been removed. If it stayed, it could be educative.

    I am only writing this to set the record straight about “ex-Jang Groupies”; since some persons in future may only read this thread and walk away with a wrong idea. The truth is that each case has been judged on its merit. There, DT owed a point; here, KMB is correct.

    Over & out.


  34. Omar R. Quraishi (unregistered) on January 29th, 2007 @ 5:10 pm

    yes adnan mr x is here to ‘back’ me just like many others came here to ‘back’ urooj and viciously abuse me — haha —

    btw adnan i think we all know what your leanings are towards so its no wonder you detest tv channels like geo — probably must be a big fan of haq tv and labaik tv eh?

    adnan dear — i work for the news and not jang — GET IT — what you are saying doesnt apply to me — i did inform you about my own pages and what kind of writers we have managed to get — what happens to jang is not my concern — GET THAT as well —

    adnan — it seems you have made a profession of posting false and baseless posts — fatima bhutto happens to be a graduate of Columbia and SOAS — and the others are not ghost columnists — i think posts such as the last one by you show your ignorance and prejudices more than anything else because you apparently seem to think that The News has ghost columnists when the editor of the pages where these columnists write is telling you otherwise — I wonder who people will believe — you or the editor of those pages —

    ‘ageing idiot’? you probably must be talking about yourself adnan


  35. Omar R. Quraishi (unregistered) on January 29th, 2007 @ 5:15 pm

    adnan — if i am an ageing idiot (at 34) then you must be ageing imbecile as well — haha


  36. Poo Poo head (unregistered) on January 29th, 2007 @ 6:54 pm

    Thanks Omar. That’s what I wanted. Dr. Sahib knows what I mean. Each town has its own clown I guess. Have a wonderful Muharram Holidays.


  37. original-anon (unregistered) on January 29th, 2007 @ 9:44 pm

    Regardless of what Lily says, I am just so excited to finally know someone named Lily.

    Pictures of Lily made my life so wonderful
    Pictures of Lily helped me sleep at night
    Pictures of Lily solved my childhood problems
    Pictures of Lily helped me feel alright


  38. omar r. quraishi (unregistered) on January 30th, 2007 @ 12:35 am

    yes — PPH — with a nick like yours you should be talking


  39. d0ct0r (unregistered) on January 30th, 2007 @ 1:50 am

    come on guys! just chill…


  40. ash (unregistered) on January 30th, 2007 @ 2:29 am

    jorno’s versus jorno’s. Come on. By her own admission uzi lifted the idea and unbeknownest (maybe ) to her someone lifted the picture too. Maybe what jamash says on a blog isnt considered copywright by dawn or maybe dawn has no idea what happened. Maybe someone should write to dawn instead of slugging it out with inconsequential people who just love a bad argument.


  41. wasiq (unregistered) on January 30th, 2007 @ 4:59 am

    hum toh samjhey theay anannas woh aurat nikali…

    MAZEDAR!


  42. saima Nasir (unregistered) on January 30th, 2007 @ 11:12 am

    I knew it! Only WASIQ could end the bickering on this thread….you’re the man!

    @lily
    Hire him as the moderat for for your planned program!


  43. saima Nasir (unregistered) on January 30th, 2007 @ 11:16 am

    I meant moderator!


  44. ash (unregistered) on January 30th, 2007 @ 9:26 pm

    pas-e -diwar khud diwar nikali :)


  45. wasiq (unregistered) on January 31st, 2007 @ 5:08 am

    i don’t know if its the too much haleem or the milk shakes i had this week or the Mtv pakistan showing the names of Allah……i feel psychic…watching me going into one of those local convention centers jam packed with the press corp…and never coming out…lol

    ps:its not that hard to count the wings of a flying bird because they all have two….its only when you catch the mocking bird you find that the two wings are made of so many feathers…and that there is a statutory ban on the use of fur in the EU….and that in the US and canada there is a very strong lobby in the favor of a complete ban…..


  46. Tamashbeen (unregistered) on January 31st, 2007 @ 4:38 pm

    There is huge difference between the two stories. Jamash only reported that the sculptures were not there. He didn’t inquire authorities or the police. What if DHA or the Artists had removed the sculpturs for some extra work? Jamash didn’t know that. So it was basically a rant with no factual importance.

    As a responsible reporter, Urooj found the story from the rant, investigated and then sent her peice to the newspaper. Urooj’s peice has a factual importance of a news story. She actually picks the story from a rant finds out whether it is true or not and then presents her investigation to the newspaper readers.

    About the picture, I think that the photographer stole the picture. So according to the CC license they didn’t attribute the work, used it for a commercial publication, and modified it. Jamash has a very strong case here.


  47. Yahya (unregistered) on February 9th, 2007 @ 2:38 pm

    It’s really sad to see the sculptures made by our great ANJUM AYAZ.. been scribbled all over and not to forget been spit with pan as well.


  48. MB (unregistered) on February 9th, 2007 @ 6:07 pm

    @TAMASHBEEN
    Thats the whole point
    No one is arguing about the story mostly
    its the picture
    And thats why we had to do here



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