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	<title>Comments on: Beggars can&#8217;t be choosers</title>
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		<title>By: wasiq</title>
		<link>http://karachi.metblogs.com/2007/01/29/beggars-cant-be-choosers/comment-page-1/#comment-24838</link>
		<dc:creator>wasiq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 09:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tom pakistani log bhi naa...tom ko allah kay naam pey
pakistan diya......?
aga khan diya......?
bangladesh diya....?
F-16&#039;s   diya......?
jemima khan diya...?
nuclear blast diya.?
MacDonald&#039;s diya...?
missile test diya..?
cable tv diya......?
internet diya......?

abhi jao signal pey jam na karo kal sonch kay aana aur kya chahiyeah.....

GOD BLESS AMERICA






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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tom pakistani log bhi naa&#8230;tom ko allah kay naam pey<br />
pakistan diya&#8230;&#8230;?<br />
aga khan diya&#8230;&#8230;?<br />
bangladesh diya&#8230;.?<br />
F-16&#8242;s   diya&#8230;&#8230;?<br />
jemima khan diya&#8230;?<br />
nuclear blast diya.?<br />
MacDonald&#8217;s diya&#8230;?<br />
missile test diya..?<br />
cable tv diya&#8230;&#8230;?<br />
internet diya&#8230;&#8230;?</p>
<p>abhi jao signal pey jam na karo kal sonch kay aana aur kya chahiyeah&#8230;..</p>
<p>GOD BLESS AMERICA</p>
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		<title>By: Abbas Rizvi</title>
		<link>http://karachi.metblogs.com/2007/01/29/beggars-cant-be-choosers/comment-page-1/#comment-24837</link>
		<dc:creator>Abbas Rizvi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey guys even a graduate from the most reputed institute wound&#039;nt get 2000 rupees per day thats a/c to an international survey on begging . one typically gets at busy junctions in karachi . what charm does education or alternate holds for them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey guys even a graduate from the most reputed institute wound&#8217;nt get 2000 rupees per day thats a/c to an international survey on begging . one typically gets at busy junctions in karachi . what charm does education or alternate holds for them?</p>
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		<title>By: Adnan Siddiqi</title>
		<link>http://karachi.metblogs.com/2007/01/29/beggars-cant-be-choosers/comment-page-1/#comment-24836</link>
		<dc:creator>Adnan Siddiqi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SK, thanks for mentioning this particular speech of Jinnah. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SK, thanks for mentioning this particular speech of Jinnah. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: SK</title>
		<link>http://karachi.metblogs.com/2007/01/29/beggars-cant-be-choosers/comment-page-1/#comment-24835</link>
		<dc:creator>SK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Adnan Siddiqui: After all it is our land and we have to work on it, with it, and for it...

&quot;Come forward as servants of Islam, organise the people economically, socially, educationally and politically and I am sure that you will be a power that will be accepted by everybody.&quot;
- Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah
Presidential Address at the All India Muslim League, Lahore, March 23, 1940</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Adnan Siddiqui: After all it is our land and we have to work on it, with it, and for it&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Come forward as servants of Islam, organise the people economically, socially, educationally and politically and I am sure that you will be a power that will be accepted by everybody.&#8221;<br />
- Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah<br />
Presidential Address at the All India Muslim League, Lahore, March 23, 1940</p>
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		<title>By: Adnan Siddiqi</title>
		<link>http://karachi.metblogs.com/2007/01/29/beggars-cant-be-choosers/comment-page-1/#comment-24834</link>
		<dc:creator>Adnan Siddiqi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 05:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dee: Tiffin business is going well in Karachi as well.

SMEs SMEs SMEs, where are they???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dee: Tiffin business is going well in Karachi as well.</p>
<p>SMEs SMEs SMEs, where are they???</p>
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		<title>By: Adnan Siddiqi</title>
		<link>http://karachi.metblogs.com/2007/01/29/beggars-cant-be-choosers/comment-page-1/#comment-24833</link>
		<dc:creator>Adnan Siddiqi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 04:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s always great to feel nice that how my fellow pakistanis are willing to help their countrymen. Nobody even know SK but majority is willing to help him. This is great, simply great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s always great to feel nice that how my fellow pakistanis are willing to help their countrymen. Nobody even know SK but majority is willing to help him. This is great, simply great.</p>
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		<title>By: Ramla A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ramla A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some thinkers now say that to tie well-being with formal education is not the right approach - it might be downright oppressive. I trekked up to a mountain village last August; which was so remote, that they thought I came from Japan (An old man, in the hope of wedding off his son asked me, &quot;Tum Japani hai?&quot;). 

They treated us with homemade butter, kilos of apples and apricots, and bread. And they treated our sore legs with &quot;tomoro qahva&quot; and local herbs. They had plenty of food and love. 

On the way back, we found some engineers taking measurements for a road. 

I still wonder. If the road is built; they can take their ill to the hospitals faster, and send their children to the school in Gilgit, 100 km away, more safely. But on the downside, someone will walk in, buy their lands, bring down expensive urban merchandise they can&#039;t afford, and finally tell them that they can&#039;t have access to food and animals just because they are too uncultivated.

Education doesn&#039;t only come from books. To know farming is also education. Why should we think only a certain kind of education - the urban-industrial-capitalist variety - should entitle anyone to food and health? It&#039;s a deep, colorless, odorless, undetectable bias that we must become aware of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some thinkers now say that to tie well-being with formal education is not the right approach &#8211; it might be downright oppressive. I trekked up to a mountain village last August; which was so remote, that they thought I came from Japan (An old man, in the hope of wedding off his son asked me, &#8220;Tum Japani hai?&#8221;). </p>
<p>They treated us with homemade butter, kilos of apples and apricots, and bread. And they treated our sore legs with &#8220;tomoro qahva&#8221; and local herbs. They had plenty of food and love. </p>
<p>On the way back, we found some engineers taking measurements for a road. </p>
<p>I still wonder. If the road is built; they can take their ill to the hospitals faster, and send their children to the school in Gilgit, 100 km away, more safely. But on the downside, someone will walk in, buy their lands, bring down expensive urban merchandise they can&#8217;t afford, and finally tell them that they can&#8217;t have access to food and animals just because they are too uncultivated.</p>
<p>Education doesn&#8217;t only come from books. To know farming is also education. Why should we think only a certain kind of education &#8211; the urban-industrial-capitalist variety &#8211; should entitle anyone to food and health? It&#8217;s a deep, colorless, odorless, undetectable bias that we must become aware of.</p>
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		<title>By: Ramla A.</title>
		<link>http://karachi.metblogs.com/2007/01/29/beggars-cant-be-choosers/comment-page-1/#comment-24831</link>
		<dc:creator>Ramla A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Dee

Yup the Tiffin wala documentary ran on the BBC.

Many such examples will be found on the World Challenge website; anyone can also request multiple CDs from them + brochure. 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theworldchallenge.co.uk/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.theworldchallenge.co.uk/&lt;/a&gt;

In Lahore, Dr. Amjad Saqib is operating an NGO by the name of Akhuwwat (&quot;brotherhood&quot;) on principles of micro-finance + people-to-people help + teach a (wo)man how to fish. 

These initiatives are not the job of the government alone. Contemporary thought is that people should help themselves. The World Challenge, and Akhuwwat, amongst many others, are testimony to the truth of this thought. 

@SK
P.S. SK, tell us more, of course. I&#039;m mailing you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Dee</p>
<p>Yup the Tiffin wala documentary ran on the BBC.</p>
<p>Many such examples will be found on the World Challenge website; anyone can also request multiple CDs from them + brochure.<br />
<a href="http://www.theworldchallenge.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">http://www.theworldchallenge.co.uk/</a></p>
<p>In Lahore, Dr. Amjad Saqib is operating an NGO by the name of Akhuwwat (&#8220;brotherhood&#8221;) on principles of micro-finance + people-to-people help + teach a (wo)man how to fish. </p>
<p>These initiatives are not the job of the government alone. Contemporary thought is that people should help themselves. The World Challenge, and Akhuwwat, amongst many others, are testimony to the truth of this thought. </p>
<p>@SK<br />
P.S. SK, tell us more, of course. I&#8217;m mailing you.</p>
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		<title>By: Hamid Hashmi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hamid Hashmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is a great idea please let me know how we can help sitting abroad in Canada.
We can try and do whatever possible from here, may be start a chain of emails and a website where people can go and donate directly.
All the best great ideas start just like this,please also let me know which city are we talking about.
May ALLAH bless you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a great idea please let me know how we can help sitting abroad in Canada.<br />
We can try and do whatever possible from here, may be start a chain of emails and a website where people can go and donate directly.<br />
All the best great ideas start just like this,please also let me know which city are we talking about.<br />
May ALLAH bless you.</p>
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		<title>By: Karachiite</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karachiite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is very heartening to see some of you guys actively working towards solving the problem, which is far more than, I admit, I&#039;m doing, but the way I see it, this is a problem that can ultimately only be solved by action at the government level rather than by NGO&#039;s.

The larger forces at play here are:

1) Countrywide levels of poverty, not just Karachi. We know that Karachi, Lahore and Islamabad have higher levels of income but most of the rest of the country is full of millions of poor people. As long as there&#039;s poverty anywhere, people will move to Karachi etc so no matter how many you take off the streets there&#039;ll be an endless flow of people to replace them.

2) It is ultimately the govt.&#039;s responsibility to provide decent quality education to EVERY child in the country, a responsibility in which they have failed miserably. The education budget is still only 33% of what is needed and we&#039;re far from 100% enrolment.

3) The fact of children being abused by adults is an OUTRAGE. Any parent or other who forces a child to beg needs to be in jail. The custody of the child should be taken over by the govt.

4) Beyond that, any parent who just keeps a child, boy or girl, at home and away from school should be penalized. It should be compulsory to go to school till the age of 16, or Metric.

Short of govt. level action we&#039;ll only be touching the problem on the surface.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is very heartening to see some of you guys actively working towards solving the problem, which is far more than, I admit, I&#8217;m doing, but the way I see it, this is a problem that can ultimately only be solved by action at the government level rather than by NGO&#8217;s.</p>
<p>The larger forces at play here are:</p>
<p>1) Countrywide levels of poverty, not just Karachi. We know that Karachi, Lahore and Islamabad have higher levels of income but most of the rest of the country is full of millions of poor people. As long as there&#8217;s poverty anywhere, people will move to Karachi etc so no matter how many you take off the streets there&#8217;ll be an endless flow of people to replace them.</p>
<p>2) It is ultimately the govt.&#8217;s responsibility to provide decent quality education to EVERY child in the country, a responsibility in which they have failed miserably. The education budget is still only 33% of what is needed and we&#8217;re far from 100% enrolment.</p>
<p>3) The fact of children being abused by adults is an OUTRAGE. Any parent or other who forces a child to beg needs to be in jail. The custody of the child should be taken over by the govt.</p>
<p>4) Beyond that, any parent who just keeps a child, boy or girl, at home and away from school should be penalized. It should be compulsory to go to school till the age of 16, or Metric.</p>
<p>Short of govt. level action we&#8217;ll only be touching the problem on the surface.</p>
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