barah so mein.. sirf barah so mein!

I remember this line from when i went to get my license made for the first time. Back then, it was either give bribes or waste an entire day/week at the office to get your license.

for the benefit of non-urdu readers, the above line reads “twelve hundred.. twelve hundred only”

Then the new DSP came, and things changed. When i went with my brother to get his license made, we couldnt even FIND an agent, much less bribe one. The poor guy had to go through three failed tests (theory) to get his license, but he was happy to get it done right. The first two times, he failed cuz he didn’t know what the signs meant in urdu :S and the last because he didn’t use the correct word of urdu.. such were the antics of the traffic cop taking his test. Still, it made him learn the whole book.

Today, i read that DSP has been removed from the traffic office, and of agents rejoicing! Their reign of bribery, curruption and a dreams of a house in the dubai are back! Too bad for us folks though, when a 1600 license starts costing us about 3000……

26 Comments so far

  1. Kashif (unregistered) on February 27th, 2007 @ 10:07 pm

    That DSP was removed after a news of corruption in Clifton license office was published in The News (?) – do you think that news was incorrect or the DSP was unaware of corruption going under his belt?


  2. MB (unregistered) on February 27th, 2007 @ 10:10 pm

    Ahhh!!!…This had to happen with few *** heads at the top defaming this CDGK.
    Again babar ghauri or some waseem akhtar will be behind it i can bet….
    Oh…i just read it….Mr. Waseem Akhtar
    Oh when did Altaf dada will get rid of these evil ass** if he wants to get his party’s name not being taken with evil names

    I pray the development that is going on doesn’t prove to be a nightmare too after ten years


  3. KhiTorPit (unregistered) on February 27th, 2007 @ 10:50 pm

    Since this post is all about lincense, I have a question.
    To get an international in Khi, do they test the driver with a left hand side roads and cars ?
    How doest it work to get an international lic. ?


  4. Sufi (unregistered) on February 27th, 2007 @ 11:37 pm

    I got my license the legit way. I learned all the signs and fortunately the theory exam taker could understand my mix urdu english gulaabi language, faced no problems. Then gave the driving test and got my license.

    We must realize, that it is us who set the trend, if we stop paying bribes and do things the right way, there is no way rishwat culture will prevail.

    Khitorpit, if you have a Karachi license you don’t need to give any test for the international license.


  5. Zainub (unregistered) on February 28th, 2007 @ 1:34 am

    I took a learner’s license six months ago, it expires on 6th March, so I’m planning to go to the place next week Insha Allah…and give my tests and everything (those signs aren’t too tricky are they?)

    When I told my driver I’d like to give a test, he reassured me he could get me a license without any tests at all in Rs.2000, I had to actually explain that I really did want to give the test. I asked him how he got his license, he said he’d given the test cause he didn’t have the “extra fees” for without test license! And I was like extra fees! That’s not extra fees, that’s bribery, and he goes no…its extra fees!

    And then though…sigh…bribery is so common in this country its accepted as normal…what could be more depressing?


  6. Sufi (unregistered) on February 28th, 2007 @ 3:17 am

    extra fees haha.. nice.


  7. Farhan (unregistered) on February 28th, 2007 @ 9:28 am

    I got my license in 45 min from the korangi branch ( now closed ) and I payed only the official fees even though my previous license expired a year earlier .


  8. DRIVER (unregistered) on February 28th, 2007 @ 12:57 pm

    My brother got his license in 20 minutes while sitting in the office of the DSP Clifton Traffic and sipping tea. :)


  9. paidagir (unregistered) on February 28th, 2007 @ 1:23 pm

    lolz … driver .. help me get one too ..


  10. F. AHMED (unregistered) on February 28th, 2007 @ 1:37 pm

    I had an old license from the mid 90’s and in 2001 or 2002 I went to the Clifton branch to get a new one.

    The DSP at the time was someone known to some relative and we were sitting in his office and he was scolding some one that if he sees an old license he would put that person in jail as people should have changed to the new one long time back.

    I began to sweat a little as the DSP looked a bit of a badmash with his beard and giving galees to some poor soul in front of me and 3 -4 other people.

    I went there with someone and wanted to just escape before he found out that I too had the old license and that too, I was sure was a fake, as I got it made through a cousin in the police and never even knew where the license branch was located before that day. I told my friend that we would probably get the same treatment.

    My turn came and I gave him my old license and he gave it a cop and told him to check the record it is was fake or not at that point I really began to sweat. After a while the cop came back and told him that there was no record of that and the DSP looked at me and I told him that I got it 8 years back from the same deptt and have been paying my fees ever since and that your people at that time hardly gave an original license and pocketd all the money.

    The fact that the person who sent me there to him was a very senior police officer and that saved me!

    I am not proud of the fact that I had a fake license but want to point out that the police in the 90’s did not issue genuine licnces!!

    From there I was told to go and submit my fees and give the the test…etc. a police man was with me and told the testing offices that I have been sent by the DSP sahib, he very politely and nicely asked me if I woul like to give the test or should he sign without the test.

    I told him that I have been driving for 8 years and so he suggested laughingly that I should dish out some mithai money so I gave him a hundered or two and …..then got the computerized license, I know I should not have paid him but…I did.

    Even when I was directly sent to him by his DSP sitting a few meters away he asked for money!! I hope now things are better.

    the whole process took less then 40 minutes!


  11. F. AHMED (unregistered) on February 28th, 2007 @ 2:05 pm

    just to pint out one mote thing. i found the new system much better a the DSP only guided me what to do. i had to pay the fee and get therough the process… it was a surprise as i was expecting something much worse.

    a few years back when i went to renew the license i knew the drill and without any sifarish i got things done pretty quickly so i did not really have any complains.

    the same thing with the new paspport offices, they are quick and people friendly and now u do not have to apy anyone!


  12. BoZz (unregistered) on February 28th, 2007 @ 2:07 pm

    @ F.Ahmed – Ignorance is no excuse for stupidity. I think now you are grown enough to understand that. I am not sure what to make of your article, that either you are shamelessly promoting the Pakistani attitude or still living in a bubble created by your daddy. Either ways I see no remorse in your story.

    You try and avoid your responsibility in the first instance when you got your first license issued by stating various reasons.

    It is not true that you did not know where the licensing Office was located. It is not true that police did not issue genuine licenses in the 90’s. It is not true that they pocketed all the money.

    What is true is that you chose NOT to know better.

    Now, during the conversion of your fake license you still used strings, corruption and money to achieve your ends.

    This is sadly the story of Pakistan. We have CHOSEN NOT to learn anything since our Independence. We continue to persist in our traditional corrupt ways.

    You even have the impudence to say ‘I hope now things are better’. No things are NOT better and you know why. Till such time you – like majority of us, do not change our ways and start reform from within ourselves nothing will change.

    Going to the mosque, praying and saying ‘inshallah’ will change nothing. Take responsibility for your action.

    At least this time around you cannot claim ignorance.


  13. F. AHMED (unregistered) on February 28th, 2007 @ 2:23 pm

    if you read my piece then you should know what i said …

    “I am not proud of the fact that I had a fake license……”

    i agree i should have known better.

    but to be honest till that time i went to his office my cousin had told me it was a genuine license:)) i just sensed that it was fake.

    even if it was a genuine one i know i should not have done that.

    i admit i am part of the proble. so shoot me…iam not joking!


  14. F. AHMED (unregistered) on February 28th, 2007 @ 2:29 pm

    by the way i recounted this old story not to bragg about what great thing i did but to tell u all that i did a stupid thing!

    i was 18 at the time and was desperate for a license and the cousin in a different deptt of police told me to give him my photos and ID card copy, honestly i thought i would then go to the licensing deptt to get the license but after a few days/weeks he just gave me the license!

    i was surprised but to be honest at that time i did not mind it a lot!!


  15. F. AHMED (unregistered) on February 28th, 2007 @ 2:39 pm

    BOZZ:

    One more thing. over the years i had come to know the general location of the clifton license offic but had never actually been there before that day.

    and iam 100% sure that the fake licenses were given by police so that there was no official record of that and hence they do not have to deposit the money in the govt’s kitty. what other motive do u thing made the real policemen issue fake licences. i can’t think of any other reason.

    one question? r u or ur father in police?? pls don’t mind but i really wana know!


  16. BoZz (unregistered) on February 28th, 2007 @ 4:26 pm

    @ F.AHMED – Asking personal questions is not required under the law :)

    How ever to put you to ease, the answer is a – NO – now don’t ask me out on a date next time.

    The problem here once again is, you have not bothered to read what was written.

    I did not say that all Licenses issued in the 90’s were real, neither were they all fake.

    I did not say that police did not take money, neither did they take all the money.

    If what you did was stupid at 18, why did you repeat it when you re-applied? (conveniently left out of your defense in later two posts!) This time you were around 25 or so?

    Now at 30+ you surely must realize that in most parts of the world 18 is considered as an adult and if convicted of a crime could and would face an adult punishment.

    Else where in another blog you proposed that people should get married early, around 20 or so, especially girls. Do you really think that it is a wise suggestion and conviction still on your part?

    I mean considering at 18 you were still ‘innocent’ no?


  17. Sufi (unregistered) on March 1st, 2007 @ 12:21 am

    Driver, Bohat bara teer mara hai aap kay bhai nay. Kaafi fakhar mehsoos ho raha ho ga ap ko :P


  18. F. AHMED (unregistered) on March 1st, 2007 @ 11:06 am

    BoZz:

    sorry for asking a personal question. would try not to do it again:))

    to be honest…i did not know that youare a female. fom ur nic I thought you are a guy!!

    damn with the license deptt. and dmn with the police…. just kill em all!

    regarding the early marriage issue…..i still believe that people should not wait to cross 30 before they start thinking of marriage. esp if they have finished their education and are well settled.

    iam 100% sure there are many many people aound you, and all of us, who are educated and well settled and still do not seem to have even started contemplating marriage seriously!!

    immortal2001@hotmail.com


  19. BoZz (unregistered) on March 1st, 2007 @ 2:44 pm

    First you ask me to ‘shoot you’ then you instigate me to kill the police. You are a real crime propagater are you not!

    No, I rather try and educate and show the alternate path to both parties.

    As for people around me who are well settled and educated and not married – well it is called a Personal Choice. I respect their choice of not marrying for what ever reason – not my business.

    And trust me, most of them lead morally correct lives too. It is possible you know, in case you like to give it a go. ;)

    By the way I have left an intriguing if not interesting blog for you on ‘That’s a Social Disorder we have’…….. see ya


  20. F. AHMED (unregistered) on March 1st, 2007 @ 3:13 pm

    Bozz:

    iam not instigating you for anything. it’s ur choice if u wana rid the society of evil. starting from the pakistani police is the best idea…

    u might be talking about single women who lead good lives without being proccupied with the regular stuff….but almost every man i know is going nutts about gils and thay hardly have anything other on their mind.

    good for people if they can remain single and level headed….i have hardly seen anyonen who is single like that…believe me such people have their own problems….


  21. F. AHMED (unregistered) on March 1st, 2007 @ 3:19 pm

    Bozz:

    just a few points…u write such high level stuff that i understand your writings only after reading them at least 10 times….

    well.. to start with iam married so i do not have any problem that the usual un-married guy hasBozz:

    just a few points…u write such high level stuff that i understand your writings only after reading them at least 10 times….

    well.. to start with iam married so i do not have any problem that the usual un-married guy has


  22. Kash (unregistered) on March 1st, 2007 @ 4:45 pm

    I am living in london, few months ago i aquired an international license paying £50 to a guy here and he got me a lincense posted to me with in 15 days :)


  23. F. AHMED (unregistered) on March 1st, 2007 @ 5:00 pm

    kash:

    nice to know that the goras are like uskash:

    nice to know that the goras are like us


  24. BoZz (unregistered) on March 1st, 2007 @ 7:56 pm

    —so i guess u did not do any thing illegal!!!–

    And by that deduction of yours, F. Ahmed, would make Ghoras NOT like us…….


  25. F. AHMED (unregistered) on March 2nd, 2007 @ 12:00 am

    Bozz:

    i guess so….but the gentleman thought he had done something illegal….i just wanted to reassure himBozz:

    i guess so….but the gentleman thought he had done something illegal….i just wanted to reassure him


  26. F. AHMED (unregistered) on March 2nd, 2007 @ 1:13 am

    I THINK THE PEOPLE IN KARACHI SLEEP EARLY NOW A DAYS!



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