no more plastic bags

Few days ago we heard about yet another attempt by the government to ban the polythene bags in the city. They are suggesting paper bags as alternative. I am not sure how effective this is going to be in reducing pollution. But I have seen paper bags already been used at major fast foot chains around the city. So it is doable. However, I am not sure if paper bags are feasible for grocery shopping. Still, I support the decision if it is enforced and implemented properly. Obviously we won’t see overnight reduction in pollution but in the long run things are bound to get better.

Credit: d0ct0r

45 Comments so far

  1. Cy (unregistered) on March 21st, 2007 @ 4:52 pm

    As I understand it, only plastic bags below a certain thickness (30 microns?) are banned.


  2. Tee Emm (unregistered) on March 21st, 2007 @ 4:57 pm

    A lot, really a lot, depends on the consumer behavior. We, as consumers, have to learn that we cannot just jump out to buy our daily stuff. One needs to plan for it and be prepared with appropriate carrying arrangements.

    Additionally, I have even found myself in need of planning my trips to the shops bundling them together as much as possible to make sure I can carry them back home with ease in a proper bag.

    Shop keepers, for now, are hiding the bags in the inside of their shops. Push cart vendors are putting these bags in their pockets. A lot depends on the consumers – whether they support this drive and accept the temporary pain associated with the change or let the ugly thing raise its head again to pollute our already not-so-green environment.


  3. Xono (unregistered) on March 21st, 2007 @ 4:58 pm

    I think the city government muse also ban smoke emitting vehicles if they really want to control pollution. Ban on just plastic bags won’t do any good.


  4. fAr stAr (unregistered) on March 21st, 2007 @ 5:02 pm

    think about buying Milk or Curd from a local milkshop. u can’t use paper bags for any of them. the only option left is either take some liquid container or buy tetra packs.


  5. Raja Islam (unregistered) on March 21st, 2007 @ 5:58 pm

    The most affected from this ban are bikers who could not carry groceries without plastic bag.


  6. d0ct0r (unregistered) on March 21st, 2007 @ 6:25 pm

    @Raja Islam any one could easily use a cloth/jute sack…


  7. F. AHMED (unregistered) on March 21st, 2007 @ 6:30 pm

    i don’t think they are banning all plastic bags, also pointed by someone above, but only the smaller cheaper ones, which most people throw 10- 15 on average daily.

    i think the bigger and a bit expensive ones would be allowed so that people don’t throw then and woul save and reuse them later.

    and gradually we can move to total (almost) ban!

    and by the way has any one thought about the fact that when all the plastic bags have been replaced by paper bags then we would have to import trees from outer space, in a few decades!


  8. d0ct0r (unregistered) on March 21st, 2007 @ 6:37 pm

    and @CY rightly pointed out, its not a compelte ban,
    only inferior quality bags made from plastic waste are banned, but still traders are on strike so shortage in market and retailer are also cautious and fear raids by administration … so before u leave for grocery shopping, make sure u carry a handbag with you


  9. d0ct0r (unregistered) on March 21st, 2007 @ 6:40 pm

    @F. AHMED those better quality reusable bags like the one used by Dubai duty free can be a alternate for time being…


  10. F. AHMED (unregistered) on March 21st, 2007 @ 6:54 pm

    @d0ct0r

    yup, i guess thats a better option and when we know that we are paying a good amount for them then we would be carefull not to throw them away needlessly!

    it’s the only way forward. just banning them outright will mean the death sentence for the few trees that are left:)


  11. Hasan Zuberi (unregistered) on March 21st, 2007 @ 7:11 pm

    The ban is on cheaper quality – think bags … as D-Mart is still giving thick Plastic bags .. and Makro is selling plastic bags for Rs. 3 & 6, depends on size.

    The best i read was at a Qandhari-Nan house; “Kal say sub apnay saath ghar say kapra lay kar aao – theeli nahin melay gi” :)

    Offcourse … the violation fine is Rs. 50,000.


  12. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on March 21st, 2007 @ 7:13 pm


    I have seen paper bags already been used at major fast foot chains around the city

    My friend world is not all about buying fastfood like McDonalds,KFC etc neither entire population of Karachi can afford marts like Imtiaz,Naheed and Makro. The real world is very different,difficult and Ugly where people even faces difficulty to find a Rs.5.00 wali tandoori roti.


  13. Hasan Zuberi (unregistered) on March 21st, 2007 @ 7:43 pm

    The ban is on cheaper quality – think bags …

    * read it as “thin bag”


  14. Raja Islam (unregistered) on March 21st, 2007 @ 7:44 pm

    @Doctor
    for this i have to go home first to carry my jute sack with me what if i am bringing something on my way to home from office as happend last night with me.


  15. Ramla A. (unregistered) on March 21st, 2007 @ 7:54 pm

    A great move by the City Government. In time, we will learn to live with this more responsible way of life. Glad some things are changing for the better.


  16. KhiTorPit (unregistered) on March 21st, 2007 @ 8:28 pm

    I didnt understand why there is a ban on plastic bags, nobody has mentioned here, is it bcoz it clog the gutter system? We dont have other alternatives to stop that … if that is the case, instead of putting a ban on bags ?

    @Adnan Siddiqui, tandoor ki roti cost 5 rupeees. OMG … thats too much.


  17. BitterTruth (unregistered) on March 21st, 2007 @ 8:54 pm

    Its like double sawari ban on motorcycle. Without alternative it can never be enforced. City Government cant control prices but it attempts to pass alien laws.


  18. Mazhar (unregistered) on March 21st, 2007 @ 9:28 pm

    I bought some food stuff from Shell Select and they packed it in a paper bag made out of cement bag paper…I could still see some traces of cement powder on the inside. I complained but they did not have any alternative.
    City Government should check on this as well as it puts lives at risk…a problem of higher magnitude than some choked drains.


  19. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on March 22nd, 2007 @ 12:09 am

    @BitterTruth: Bravo my friend. It’s really like double sawari banned providing no alternatives. Keeping in mind the previous steps by city/fedral govt in the name of welfare of citizens, I have theory that in few days karachiites would be asked to use particular brand of papers bags of some company which would have some association with MQM.Like Almehran or Mehran Building as some relation with MQM. Similarly Expos at ExPo center are organized by Pegasus Consulting, a firm run by President Dictator’s closed relative. So it would be matter of few months when everything will be crystal clear and our “ignocent” awam would get fooled again by govt officials.


  20. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on March 22nd, 2007 @ 12:13 am

    @KHITOR: Ji Janab, saadi chai Rs.7.00. It was just matter of few years back when I used to enjoy doodh pati in Rs. 5.00


  21. A for [pine]apple (unregistered) on March 22nd, 2007 @ 12:45 am

    I believe for grocery and likewise shopping jute bags and cloth bags are the best (as someone already suggested), not only that carrying them is easy also they are easy to make if you cant get a readily made one … and with wooden handles they look CHIC :-)


  22. Tamed~. (unregistered) on March 22nd, 2007 @ 12:52 am

    Bhai pehlay dhuaan denay wali bus par to pabandi lagao, wo sab say ziada khatarnak hay


  23. Newb3e (unregistered) on March 22nd, 2007 @ 12:56 am

    lugta hai kisi party ka bhata bund hogaya hai
    poly producer in trouble


  24. ali (unregistered) on March 22nd, 2007 @ 1:02 am

    firt they banned black plastic bags long time ago….cause as we see around garbage is being burned….tht pollutes the air…..paper bag is a good idea….as gov. can make money even through recycling it…and in canada gocery shops avoid to give plastic bags and they charge for it…tht encourages people to use boxes which can be recycled….


  25. Sufi (unregistered) on March 22nd, 2007 @ 1:03 am

    Adnan, isn’t the cost of roti Rs. 3 at most places :S ??


  26. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on March 22nd, 2007 @ 1:08 am

    Sufi many naan-bais have changed the rates now. The cost of Puri is Rs.4.00 now and Halwa is NOT free anymore.


  27. Sufi (unregistered) on March 22nd, 2007 @ 2:27 am

    Adnan, halwa was never free far as I can remember. Chanay used to free, they are still free. My nan place (hopefully) still sells roti/nan for Rs. 3 a piece. Even though they are worth it for Rs. 5 a piece too (compared to the prices everywhere else in the world) but certainly its back breaking for poor mazdoors who use these places most extensively.

    Allah kher karay.


  28. M.Saad Ibrahim Lakhany (unregistered) on March 22nd, 2007 @ 3:37 am

    they have only banned plastic bags less than the thickness of 30 microns but these shopkeepers say all type of plastic shoppers are banned so they dont have to give a shopping bag and save as much money they can.


  29. KhiTorPitt (unregistered) on March 22nd, 2007 @ 3:48 am

    Oh yah Sufi, I agree with you that halwa was never free, but when you dont buy halwa they just give u a little bit of it for free and yah chanay is always free.
    Anybody have tried Mehfooz sheer maal’s tandoori roti ? I guess they have the best tandoori roti in Khi, infact they sells all kind of roties.
    @Adnan, things are getting too expensive in Khi, hard to beleive that chai is 7 rupees.

    Back to the orig. topic:
    @Ali, In Canada its just “Food Basic” and “No Frills” who dont provide the bags otherwise all other chains provide the bags.


  30. Adnan Sheikh (unregistered) on March 22nd, 2007 @ 4:14 am

    RECYCLE is the best option or use those baskets kind of things .. that ppl were used to use back in 90’s — another option is cloth bags.


  31. Sufi (unregistered) on March 22nd, 2007 @ 8:39 am

    Khitorpitt, yaar mehfooz ki roti achi hai, par aur bhi bohat logo ki rotian achi hain :)
    Aur 5 rs wali chaye bhi milti hai bhai.

    I dont understand somethings about us, we dont mind paying 175 rs for a 2 scoop ice cream cup at hot spot, but get very annoyed paying 7 Rs for a cup of chaye :( .. yar ghareeb ko bhi kuch kamanay do..

    but I do agree that things are getting really expensive, even for the middle income people.


  32. zeeshan syed (unregistered) on March 22nd, 2007 @ 9:10 am

    “I think the city government muse also ban smoke emitting vehicles if they really want to control pollution. Ban on just plastic bags won’t do any good.

    Posted by: Xono at March 21, 2007 04:58 PM”

    Ok but tell me, if we put a ban on such vehicles, how we are then going to cater to the needs of our nice, helping, cheering, every-friendly, non drug addict, non-murdering, not involved-in-weapons-supply-Afghan-brothers who do not run the traffic mafia here?


  33. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on March 22nd, 2007 @ 9:41 am

    Halwa was free initially and I am talking about 93/94. May be it’s too old for thing but puri walay in mohallas used to give it free. Yes big shops like one in FB Area Water Pump was not used to give it free.

    Sufi,are you talking about Mehfooz Sheermal Wala?

    @Khitor: yes it’s hard to believe but it’s true. Four days back i wished to eat omelette paratha with chai. The guy charged Rs.7.00 for saadi chai:/

    Yes things are getting very expensive. Ab tu gareebi bhe Mufat nahi milti. Kam az kam 5 rupay do:/


  34. F. AHMED (unregistered) on March 22nd, 2007 @ 11:19 am

    halwa with puri was never free…it’s cost was and is built in the cost of the puri:))


  35. F. AHMED (unregistered) on March 22nd, 2007 @ 11:27 am

    @Sufi

    i agree with what u said above.

    we can buy exp food but it kills to pay for a cup of tea from the old rest.!

    akhir woo becahray kiyaa 1990’s kee price par bechaain??

    everything is getting exp.!


  36. Jamal Shamsi (unregistered) on March 22nd, 2007 @ 4:17 pm

    wow, seems it is all diverted from thickness of bags banned in town. – and curved into halwa pori, nan and chai .

    Puri still come in Brown paper bags.

    backin 80s’ when i was at DJ Science college – The famous fresco use to give 50 paisa per puri – halwa and alo chana sabzi free. the tea cup was 25 paisa.

    WE ALL use to Storm the place eat as many as we can consume and he tells us, kha leya Allah ka shuker ada karoo khood he bata dou kitna khaya hai aur paisay day do.. imagine the trust he HAVE in us and never complained that we underpaid or cheated him.

    The thin fellow in his late 20’s at that time, son of the then SETH saheb has turned into BIG FAT Old man became SETH now and still sells halwa pori daily still give me 100 GM halwa free charging Rs. 4 for a puri –

    My nephews never believe the treat they get whenever we visit the place HE treat the kids as — tum log mujhay dada kaha karoo – yeah tumhara chacha mayray samnay ka bacha hai tum sai zara bara thaa jab sai janta houn., college ke uniform mai aya karta tha,…

    don’t jump ok – am not from stone age am talking about 80s’


  37. F. AHMED (unregistered) on March 22nd, 2007 @ 7:01 pm

    @Jamal Shamsi

    then at least i can call u uncle@Jamal Shamsi

    then at least i can call u uncle


  38. Jamal Shamsi (unregistered) on March 22nd, 2007 @ 8:30 pm

    Sure dude, on my next trip to Dubai – Let us meet, U know SAIF ZONE, thats my work place , Marina is where I stay – Be my guest.


  39. F. AHMED (unregistered) on March 22nd, 2007 @ 10:43 pm

    @Jamal:

    y not. where is SAIF ZONE in Dubai or sharjah? my office is very near LAMCY in Karama, Dxb.

    let me know when u will be here next time. my e-mail is : immortal2001@hotmail.com


  40. Jamal Shamsi (unregistered) on March 23rd, 2007 @ 3:43 pm

    SAIF ZONE – opposite American University & Military City Sharjah,


  41. Obi Wan Kenobi (unregistered) on March 23rd, 2007 @ 6:12 pm

    Jamal Sahib, I promise that I will send you my shadi card as now I have got your address.


  42. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on March 23rd, 2007 @ 10:48 pm


    it’s cost was and is built in the cost of the puri:))

    built-in cost.LOL . Funny! :-)


  43. F.AHMED (unregistered) on March 24th, 2007 @ 2:18 am

    ADNAN:

    just means that there is no such thing as a free lunch:))

    cheers


  44. wasiq (unregistered) on March 29th, 2007 @ 4:03 am

    Ammi! mobile phone khareed ney per jo shopping bag aya tha na woh kahan hai…..mujhey garam roti leney jana hai….lol


  45. Salima (unregistered) on March 31st, 2007 @ 3:21 pm

    But if the govenment has banned the plastic bags they should give a good alternate product as most of the people are having trouble. We Pakistanis are using these bags for many years and one day it is suddenly banned. I know it is good for pollution and all that but the proper ways should be put in.



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