A man of the cloth?
“I sent my son to the mosque to learn the Qur’an,” Hussain told Daily Times. “Last week, my son came home crying in pain. When we questioned him, he said that Ali took him to his hujra in the mosque by force and sodomized him. He also said that this had been going on for many days. Ali also threatened the children against telling their parents.”
Incidents like these are probably played out all over Karachi day after day. It’s sad but true the danger that parents will expose their children to in the name of religion.
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and to think.. these are the same parents who go down legitimate schol teachers throats for so much as “looking” at their children harshly!!
I don’t think that these are dangers parents expose their children to ‘in the name of religion’. These are dangers, yes, but children are exposed to them regardless, and should be better protected. You’re assuming that only Quran teachers sodomize :p
This is absurd!! how can these ‘mullas’ call themselves ambassadors of Islam?
All such animals should be “STONED” to death in Public!!
Trust me, you do this for 2-3 ppl, then see who dares!
@Farrukh
It has nothing to do with Mullahs. Its related to human mentality. Dont drag the mullah issue here. The enlightened are as immorals as the beared ones. Its just that the former does it more professionally. The later being a public figure in the eyes is considered to be more clean (which he isn’t) so once in a while the animal inside him wakes up too.
Mullah Kafir, all of these belong to the same Mafia, of which the Madressa Hafsa and Lal Masjid terrorists are also a part,they have nothing to do with Islam and none of these bastereds can prove there actions in light of Islam,these are the biggest enemies of Pakistan,Islam and humanity,I repeat that all of those belonging to LalMasjid,madressa hafsa are only and only terrorists.
Why you guys are dragging every mullah into this just because one did it?
If that’s the logic, it means all non-mullahs are even more perverted than the mullah’s. The mullah’s have at least had some self imposed restrictions on some liberal norms. The non mullah’s consider themselves as madar-pidar-azaad.
It is time to rise up against mullahism and their witch-hunting.
Now some thing about the Mullah Rashid Ghazi the head of all these terrorists,If crime is to be punished that Mullah Rasheed (now called Ghazi) is first to be punished. I might not remember but I do. When he was in the high school, he stole a receiver from a public telephone booth in Aabpara and made a radio from the receiver. He never stopped bragging about his achievement and his father, maulvi abdullah, had no guts to stop him from stealing the property of the government of pakistan and that of tax payers.
If madrassa education was so good, what did maulvi abdullah instead sent Rasheed Chore to the government school.
Rasheed’s addiction to stealing has contnued. Now he has stolen state land to built an illegal madrassa and made his own army.
Now they are owners of wealth but I know Rasheed and Aziz and their sibblings when they lived in a lowely C type quarter in the corner of the street in G-6/1-3,across the Naval HeadQuarter. It was Zia and his patronage and later the power of gun which has made them so powerful. People of area do remember Mullah Rasheed’s sister’s bell-bottom and other fashions (nobody accused them of prostituting) and now he is “arresting” other women.
This is very worrisome. The Govt, which nevers fails to unleash force on average citizens, is sitting and not doing anything with these hooligans. So now, it is okay to terrorize citizens as long as you are wearing a hijab/niqab,beard and skull cap! This is sick! These people are mentally sick! I hope to God the Govt wakes up before it is too late.
Such people should be trailed under the blasphemy laws and should be executed in public. Sadly we live in a country where 90% of the children are victims of child sex abuse, there are laws against offenders but most of the parents never get to know what happened to their child and even if they are told they don’t believe their children, and those who hardly take any actions out of embracement.
There is a need to educate children in such a way that they trust their parents and discuss their confusions with them
There is a need for an awareness campaign, people should know what signs to look for in their children to know if they have fallen a victim of CSA, and how to deal with it.
People need to get out of the typical mind set of deeming such topics as Taboos and not discussing such issues in family, they should realize that keeping a lid on such issues only favors the offender.
Such victims should be given immediate Psychiatric aid, should be treated respectfully. Putting the blame on the victim, not believing him/her, or getting angry with her only adds to the confusion and fears the child has due to the offence.
While such incidents are always shocking and disgust us, we must not make this yet another brick in the wall we have to erect to keep the extremists and fanatic mullahs out of our country. The Lal Masjid issue has every one so psyched up about any maulvi or religious cleric that now every thing is being associated with it. Don’t get me wrong, I am 101 percent FOR driving these extremists out of my country but the incident mentioned above could very well happen in a public/private school as well as a religious madrassa.
Let’s focus on condemning the act, not using a current stigmata of our country to link to it unnecessarily.
The Saints Of Dark Sins
An AIDS conference woke Pakistan to a stark, ugly reality: the rampant sodomy in madrassas
MARIANA BAABAR
Special Issue: 4. International
For decades, it has been a sight common to most Pakistani homes: the bearded maulana teaching children the holy Quran. But what has changed over the last few years is the presence of a family elder at these private tuitions, irrespective of the child’s gender. The family elder, though it’s tacit, is there to deter the maulana from preying upon children for sexual gratification. Indeed, the maulana’s penchant to sodomise the male child, or molest girls, has been Pakistan’s darkest, best-kept secret.
Until it was made public last month at a most unusual venue: a World AIDS Day conference in Islamabad.
Husain cited 500 cases of sexual abuse in 2004, 2,000 in 2003.
And the person who dared talk about it was the country’s junior minister for religion, ushr and zakat, Dr Amir Liaquat Husain. The irrepressible minister, who conducts a weekly religious programme on a private TV channel, said Pakistan
must countenance the harsh truth about the madrassa’s role in spreading AIDS. This was because, he offered to explain, maulanas are guilty of rampant sexual abuse of children.
There was an ironical backdrop to Husain’s decision to blow the whistle. The Pakistan government has in recent times been trying to revamp the country’s antediluvian madrassas, and also hoping they could, because of their tremendous clout, spread awareness about AIDS in society. Obviously, Husain assumed, the maulanas couldn’t teach safe sex even as they abused their pupils. Lest his audience was unaware of how rampant the menace was in madrassas, the minister said, “During a raid on a madrassa in Karachi, I caught a cleric red-handed, abusing a student sexually.
An inquiry was ordered.”
Since that conference on December 1, Husain’s remarks have continued to generate controversy, gathering momentum every day with clerics,
The revelation comes when madrassas were being asked to help spread AIDS awareness.
the government and the minister’s party, the MQM, joining issue. The initial response of the clerics was to run for cover and keep mum on the affair. But as the western media picked up the contentious thread, the maulanas rallied to hit back as only they could. They issued death threats to Husain.
Not one to be pummelled by the unholy passion of the maulanas, Husain began to reel out statistics to the media to bolster his case. There were 500 reported cases of sexual abuse involving the maulanas in 2004; it was as high as 2,000 in 2003; and, worse, there hasn’t yet been a successful prosecution.
The fury of the fundamentalists prompted a nervous Shaukat Aziz government to ask the senior religious minister, Ijaz-ul-Haq, to mollify the clerics. In doing so, Ijaz was attempting to appease the constituency of fundamentalists whom his father, Zia-ul-Haq, had so assiduously cultivated. In the Senate, the conglomeration of religious parties, Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal, and even liberal parties like the Pakistan People’s Party banded together to demand an apology from Husain. PPP spokesperson Farhatullah Babar told Outlook, “Actually, Husain made a sweeping statement and painted everyone black with his brush. He should have talked about specific examples.”
The MQM found the heat difficult to bear. It asked Husain to apologise. Sans support from the political class and civil society, Husain relented: he apologised in the last week of December. Some thought President Pervez Musharraf, whose post-9/11 rhetoric has been anti-fundamentalist, should have publicly backed Husain’s fight against the maulanas. Musharraf, however, remained silent, though it is said he told the junior minister in private that he shouldn’t have apologised.
Some western websites perceived a political dimension in the controversy. As one of these noted, rather gravely, “Rape is practised to break the spirit of the child and make him obedient to the extent that he can carry out terrorist acts, including suicide bombing.
The minister should take the funds available from foreign sources and simply take the pre-teen children out of residential seminaries, (besides) replacing them with normal (read secular) schools.”
Others saw a global trend in the incidents of sexual abuse in Pakistan’s religious seminaries. There have been infamous cases of Catholic priests sexually exploiting children in the West; there’s also the cases surrounding the Kanchi math in India currently. With the ‘faithful’ betraying the faith the child reposes in them, psychologist Dr Iffat Hussain points out, “Abuse on children has devastating effects on their lives later on. Sexual abuse not only destroys the child’s personality but also turns such abused individuals into culprits later on.”
The controversy received a fresh impetus this week as the National AIDS Control Programme held a workshop in Islamabad. Its goal: to convince religious leaders to encourage HIV/AIDS patients to use contraceptives instead of separating from their partners. They were also encouraged to talk about the HIV/AIDS kit in their Friday sermons. The moot question is: is the mullah suited for the job?
Pakistani NGO SPARC (Society for Protection of the Rights of the Child) in its 2003 report says that an amount of $225 million has been earmarked to modernise 8,000 madrassas over three years. The modernisation programme, it is hoped, could also help spread consciousness about AIDS. Yet, the same report says 14 per cent of all child-abusers in 2003 were clerics. SPARC activists cite three specific cases from 2004 to illustrate sexual abuse of children and their brutalisation in religious seminaries.
Case One
In June 2004, when five-year-old Talha did not return from the Lajna mosque in Lahore, where he had gone to take Quranic lessons from Maulvi Mohammad Altaf, his mother went to fetch him. She found the boy in the corridor of the mosque, bleeding and unconscious; the maulvi was missing from the mosque. An fir was duly lodged. Altaf was subsequently arrested and Tahla identified him as the person who had sodomised him.
The family was determined to pursue the case. But soon different religious groups began to mount pressure on them to drop the case; the family was even told that these “maulvis have links with Al Qaeda”. Pressure was, apparently, also brought upon the police. The family ultimately relented in July, agreeing to not pursue their case and withdrawing their witnesses.
Case Two
Sanam, 9, daughter of Mohammad Saleh Kori, a resident of the Microwave Colony, Sukkur, Sind, was a student of Abdul Wahid Chachar’s madrassa. On February 15, 2004, at the end of her classes, Maulvi Abdul Wahid told her that she was his wife and would have to live with him. Sanam rushed out to tell her parents about the incident. When her father went to the madrassa to complain, Abdul produced a nikahnama bearing Kori and his daughter’s signatures.
The father-daughter had been tricked into appending their signature to the marriage document. Apparently, the maulana had asked them to sign on a form, claiming it would enable the family to receive zakat (charity money). The illiterate father, obviously, couldn’t distinguish between a zakat form and a nikahnama. Worse, the local Chachar tribesmen began pressuring him to hand over Sanam to Abdul.
Case Three
Child abuse in seminaries often involves physical torture. As in the case of 11-year-old Atif. Brutally assaulted at a seminary in Faisalabad, he is currently undergoing treatment at the Children’s Hospital in Lahore. On May 1, 2004, he was quoted saying, “I was punished by the teacher who wanted to make an example of me because I dared to escape from the daily routine of beatings at the seminary.” Once nabbed, he was chained and detained in a room at the seminary; Maulvi Mahboob Alam then beat him severely with an iron rod. The hospital’s treatment note says the boy was brought in with a head injury and bruises all over the body. Atif’s case came to light following the intervention of the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan.
It’s one thing to take legal action against culprits or modernise madrassas. It’s quite another to retreat against the fury of fundamentalists keen to insulate their arcane world from scrutiny and criticism. A pity Pakistanis let down Husain.
It is true that a pedophile could come from any walk of life. However, the child abuse is most prevalent in ‘madrassas’ where mullahs due to their seclusion form general society have no other outlet but to wreck havoc on the innocent in their charge.
IMPORTANTLY, generally people TRUST mullahs due to the shroud of piety associated with them and expect HIGHER MORAL AND ETHICAL STANDARDS from the religious leaders. But time and again it has been proven that the thekedaar of Islam are more prone to heinous crime of abuse children than any one else. Despite it all they have temerity to keep the aura of self-righteousness and high moral grounds around them. Their duplicity is more repulsive.
Mullahs are ready to be police, judge, jury and jailer for an alleged prostitute but you will never hear one mullah (or Talibat of Lal Majid) raising even a murmur against a fellow mullah for indulging in child abuse. NEVER. The ninja-girls of Islamabad will have more credibility had the started the “social clean-up” from their own backyard.
It is the time for a Jihad against Mullahism, which has completely tarnished the name of our country and is the biggest hurdle in our progress.
In USA the preists are doing the same thing. Maybe it has more to do with the nature of the work and Jayjay said, their power over us. Let us not blame the entire society for this. This is happening world wide. Not that it is okay.
The hypocrite liberals….
Just a Bad day for mullah’s
Never mind
y’know what the funny thing is…the reporter who filed this story told me that the police and all had tried to bury it…it’s a miracle ANYONE came about this story at all… i’ve heard loads of stuff abt maulvis molesting the children they’re put in charge of … my mother’s told me bucketfuls, as did many other friends of mine… thank goodness i never had to go through any of this: my mommy would sit in the room with me and the maulvi saheb who came to my house to teach me how to read the qur’an (wayyyyyyyy back when i was 7 years old, i fink)… all parents should do what my mommy did!
A man woke up early in order to pray the Fajr prayer in the masjid. He got dressed, made his aboloution and was on his way to the masjid.
On his way to the masjid, the man fell and his clothes got dirty. He got up, brushed himself off, and headed home. At home, he changed his clothes, made his aboloution, and was, again, on his way to the masjid. On his way to the masjid, he fell again and at the same spot!He, again, got up, brushed himself off and headed home… At home
he,once again, changed his clothes, made his aboloution and was on his way to the masjid.
On his way to the masjid, he met a man holding a lamp. He asked the man of his identity and the man replied “I saw you fall twice on
your way to the masjid, so I brought a lamp so I can light your way.”
The first man thanked him profusively and the two where on their way to the masjid. Once at the masjid, the first man asked the man with
th lamp to come in and pray Fajr with him. The second man refused. The first man asked him a couple more times and, again, the answer was
the same. The first man asked him why he did not wish to come in and pray.The man replied “I am Satan.” The man was shocked at this reply.
Satan went on to explain, “I saw you on your way to the masjid and it was I who made you fall. When you went home, cleaned yourself and went back on your way to the masjid, Allah forgave all of your sins. I made you fall a second time, and
even that did not encourage you to stay home, but rather, you went back on your way to the masjid. Because of that, Allah forgave all
the sins of the people of your household. I was afraid if i made you fall
one more time, then Allah will forgive the sins of the people of your village, so I made sure that you reached the masjid safely.”
So do not let Satan benefit from his actions. Do not put off a good that you intended to do as you never know how much reward you might receive from the hardships you encounter while trying to achieve.
Naeem: A Good story. What is the source?
http://www.muslimparliament.org.uk/Childprotect_MuslimWeekly.html
http://forum.mpacuk.org/showthread.php?t=187
@ MB
Yeah, you are the only TRUE Liberal right??
No matter how prejudice they are, they are atleast condemning the bad act.
You don’t have to play the NEUTRALIZER here, so just stop favoring the Mullah’s.
@HUSH
MB is against the Govt forever. Somehow he wants to drag in some military personals and Govt officials in this issue, saying that they are no better then these Mullahs. Against all the goods, he is a pure pessimist. Just ignore him. On the other hand i think the Govt is already doing good to nail down these kind of people who are not only involved in these indecent acts but also in terrorism and call themselves Jihadi’s. Only for these reasons, now all Madrassa and religious instituitions have to get themselves enrolled with the Govt if they want to teach the preachings of Islam.
Yet another attempt by CY to ridicule and tarnish image of islam… it would be nice if from next time onwards he should clearly mention in any such post that he is not a muslim…. no doubt any such heinous act anywhere is highly deplorable and condemnable
Sorry for the boy and appreciate the family to comming out and warning the other kids not to blind trust on a Maulvi Or Mullah or Priest.These people needs to be exposed and should be given a lesson.I really appreciate Metro Blogg for a bold step and bringing these kind of issues in to open.Good job. please do not just target Mullah’s only it could be any one in the community. If some one has that kind of urge needs to See A Psychatrist.
@ Doctor
Not a very nice thing to say. I hate to agree with people here but most of such incidents involve mullahs. I think the reason for this is because after school teachers, mullahs are the only other strangers parent trust their kids with.
A school teacher wouldnt normally do this bec they would have a sense of decency bought about by their education. This sense of decency should also be received with islamic studies but the fact of the matter is tht a significant number Mullahs (not most) are still JAHILS.
Also take what is going on in Islambad for example, what the hell is tht. PURE JAHALAT.
And Doctor incase you are wondering, I am a muslim.
@UZI well lets be honest.. your mom would have done the same thing had it been a male tutor comming home for your tuition… just don’t single out the molvi…. there are negative people everywhere,i can quote thousands of cases worldwide where popes,bishops,priest and rabbis have been involved in even worse heinous crimes… that doesn’t mean that one starts rediculing their religion or start generalizing things
Who’s ridiculing islam? we just dont like the preachers.
Not one word has been said about islam. We are discussing Mullahs. There is a very fine difference, please dont bring islam into this.
Time has changed, things have changed, the image of maulvi/mullah has changed and high doubts their occupation has changed. The cure of the problem metnioned in the post is to THINK, READ, ANALYZE, and UNDERSTAND what is happening in the society, who is who, what is what, and than decide if you want to do this or that!!. Problem lies in the mindset and the understanding capabilities of the people in our society. They are like sheeps: blind, dumb and deaf, lead them wherever you want. A pat on the back to those who have already understood this weakness of our people and exploit them to gain personal benefits. And they are none but all that we know.. religious/politcal leaders/groups and whatever corrupt institution you can name of: military, government etc.
what has been described in the post is just another problem amongst the list of hundreds.. and the best solution is only one which requires a certain amount of time to show its effects and that is education !
by ridiculing mullahs he is attempting to ridicule islam… as he has been doing so in past as well…
I ridicule mullahs nearly everyday. tht does not mean i am ridiculing islam.
I am sure tht applies to everyone lets not get all religious here.
it seems he scours through every anti islam new item that can help him malign the religion…
@concerned if this post would have been written by you then i won’t have been offended but coming from his mouth and keeping his past post in mind i would again like to say that for the benefit of readers that in future if he post any such item then he should clearly mention in bold that he is not a muslim…
*news item
yep , totally agree with CY . kids get exposed to these sexual predators disuised as religious mentors all over the world. Catholic church is in near turmoil for the past 4 years with clergymen as high as Bishops and what have you charged with sodomizing kids for years and years.
Organized religion is a much more dangerous racket than organized mafia , all over the world.
DV
@d0ct0r…just a question, would Cyrus’s claim that he is not a Muslim, make the crime any less heinous? I think not!!!
I wonder why we can’t accept that most of these Mullahs are not the true representatives of Islam! They are here only because we refuse to take them to task, as we think most of us are inferior to them. The only thing that can help us and them both, is education; education that enables us with the power of thinking and differentiating right from wrong!
I quite second some one (think it was JayJay) in the claim that none of the so called Islamic Leaders ever condemn such acts, be it a case like this or a rape case. Now is the time to act, if we want to save ourselves, our country, and our religion from the likes of such peaple. Instead of going after someone who merely pointed out the wrong, do something about the one who is wrong!!!!
THINK!!!
@Uzi: Agar tumhari momma ney ek hour molvi k bajaye 23 hours tum par nazar rakhi hoti tu tum aaj ek Apostate na hotin.
It’s intresting to note that a Parsi,an agnostic and an apostate telling others what should be in Islam or what not or what they like in Islam or what they dislike. Intresting,very intresting! :-)
There is no doubt in my mind about the Safety and well-being of a child and My heart goes out to the kid who suffered this torment.It is also true that kids are more vulnerable when they are not supervised.But I wish the post concentrated more on *Child safety* than mullah or molvi bashing.
Please educate your children about boudaries and how no one(includes, authority figures such as uncles,aunts, teachers, coaches, neighbours and even religous people) should be touching them.Keep communication channels open and For God sake if some thing do happen DO NOT MAKE CHILD(HIM/HER) FEEL RESPOSIBLE.
Dee
Well said doctor.
Author does not leave any chance to do that.
This does not mean I support sodomy/bestiality/psycho-sexual illness/any other devaition/perversion.
The author is following the lines of western media.
Having said that, if you see the movies of Masjid Hafsa ladies, you will appreciate how their brains are washed.
Today they have announced that they are going to make their own courts.
Crucial, very sensitivethe issue is, those in the corridors of power should tackle the whole affair vey sensibly.
It made me so angry after reading of this childabuse and what his parents must have gone through and that poor child must have sufferd the long lasting feeling of guilt and shame eventhough it was not his fault. my heart goes to family of abused ones. I hope the parents will do litte homework before sending thire kids to madarssa or to anyone for learning
Cy ka Fitna , @ CY still collecting supporting stuff for immigration to West
It is true that sexual abuse does occurs in all segments of our society and is not confined to the Mullah only. However when the perpetrator is the ‘holy-man’ it makes the action so much more sordid.
There is NO place in Islam for these individuals. It is clearly written in the Koran that the link between God and man is a direct one. The concept of priest/mulvi/rabbi is alien to our religion.
The sooner we take charge of our religion the sooner we can get rid of these illiterate, 14 century camel riding leeches.
Some people with brains and guts in Islamabad, finally marched against this growing cancer (bearded brigade) in Pakistan.
Time we people got united to rid our society of this menace. ‘Either you are with us or against us’
Ah yes, I totally agree with the Doctor that Cy should clearly mention he is a Parsi and not a Muslim on all of his posts. In fact, Cy, how about just painting a scarlet “P” on your posts? :)
a lot of stuff gets lost in rhetoric. Being a “religious” man means that your victim feels extra scared about coming forth and the deed is twice as dirty. I didnt see the part where cy said he was anti islam …i think if you ask him he’ll say that predatory behaviour under the banner of organized religion is the issue he was bringing up, in karachi ofcourse that means his example is specific to mullahs.
Sure there must be good mullahs but to say just cause the man is a mullah he cant be criticized without offending islam is a also a very horrible point of view.
who said minorities of pakistan are not free? cy’s post is clear indication that pakistani minorities even have freedom to ridicule the religion of majority. this is something they cant even enjoy in US or UK. how thankless these people are.
Lucky CY that he did not have to go to a madrassa as a child or face a predator mullah for the sake of his religion.
CY keep pointing out the ills of the society.
Your religion is your personal matter. I admire your courage in the country of fundos.
http://archny.org/media/clergy_code_of_conduct_91903.pdf
Pedophiles exist in all societies and can be follower of any religion. However, the differences between our mullahs and Christian clergy are following:
‚Ä¢ Duty of Care - the western clergy knows and follows this dictum in letter and spirit when dealing with their charges–they even have to train and cleared by police before they could deal and teach kid;
• Code of Conduct - They have to adhere to a strict Code of Conduct. Please refer to above link and read especially its Chapters 3 and 4, which deals with conduct with youth and sexuality ;
‚Ä¢ Sense of Responsibility - The clergy collectively takes the blame for pedophile among them, take rectifying measures and draw up a clearly laid down set of standards for their profession. They don’t merely shrug it off.
Above link to a Code of Conduct for a church is not an exception but a norm in the maligned West. If you google you will find heaps of such codes.
On the other hand our Mullahs make you believe that their words and deeds are those of God. They will never confirm to any Code of Conduct or even the law of the land. They have no such regard for others or their religion.
We cannot simply wriggle out of the situation highlighted in this post by merely saying that child abuse happens in other societies as well. We need to see and learn how other societies and civilizations are dealing with pedophilia and what support structure is in place for victims. The prevalent child abuse under the pulpit can only be addressed by the mullahs themselves collectively but societal pressure is must to take them kicking and screaming towards such solution.
Some more Code of Conduct of Christian Mullahs
Read chapters 5 to 7 in the below link
http://www.psu.anglican.asn.au/images/uploads/Faith_In_Service.pdf
http://www.madisondiocese.org/bishop/pastoral_conduct_code.html
Can we push our mullahs to adopt such clearly stated Code of Conduct to win back community’s trust?
Even the Jewish clergy has to follow a Code of Conduct
http://www.aleph.org/docs/Professional%20Code%20of%20Ethics.doc
@ Adnan Siddiqi:
Quit trolling, please, and kindly keep your bullcrap to yourself. Idiot.
duh
i can see that we dont need any thing special to Fight and ridicule each other
You meet jews and christians who are much better human beings when compared with regular muslims, that doesnt means that there is flaw with the religion.
Islam is the best religion; however the practitioners (in lime light) are the worst of their kind.
But well that is not the point of discussion here, there are things happening in our country which are alarming. Any sane individual would worry over the state of affairs
check check..i dont have the exact stat but the gist ov it goes sum thing like…there would be a time when mullahs would be the worst creation of God on the planet earth.
Islamabad is one place where such a scenario is least expected as it is the home of all the big hypocrts of our country, projected as the most well planned city of Pakistan!
Whenever we pick up news paper in the morning.. leaving the cause and effect theory aside Most of us feel concerned about what is happening the pictures of young girls holding sticks is not very motivating
yea its better not to categorize mullahs, there are bad mullahs and there are good mullahs (well there must be!)
all in all there has to be check and balance
Picking on CY’s religion are we now? Some how it does not surprise me. That is all we Muslims have become good at. Picking on the weak, the small and the fallen. Indications of a bigoted and intolerant society. Typical of the bearded brigade mentality.
Congratulations to our society for ensuring that the child of the poor goes to the school of the rejected (so-called “Mullah” - in real, often the person who gets NO LOVE from the society). Fireworks erupt!
I visited a home in North Karachi yesterday, in a not-so-well-to-do area. They told me of a family where the mother took charge after the father fled from India to Pakistan. She became rather regimented and dictatorial as well as shouldered the entire responsibility of the house hold on her shoulders.
Of course, as is the custom of our culture, boy children are delegated little to NO responsibility of the household. So the lady brought up two daughters and two son in India - the daughters sew, work, and earn. The boys grew up into men who literally don’t move to pour water in their glass - remember our traditional male mantra: “ham to hil kar paani bhi nahi peetay.”
Anyway this is my analysis of what happened. Ten years later, the family found the father in PK, and came over. One more girl, one more boy. the eldest brother has grown in a violent person whose first wife died as result of a concussion, and he divorced the second for returning late from a family wedding with her sister. He, of course, considers it below him to accompany a wife to her relatives’ weddings.
So the wife is divorced at 2 A.M. and kicked out of the house of this “ghairatmand mard.” The second brother leaves home with his wife, also threatened by this violent potato. This lady told me the story.
This man first joined a series of political parties in the area in order to perpetuate his tyranny, from which his mother and sisters even aren’t safe.
Lately, however, he’s favored the “tablighi jama’at.” According to him, you can’t have Moharram ki nayaz - or he will hit whoever does it. But he wasn’t shy to accept bags full of nayaz ki biryani from a charitable distributor!
The mother is now worried why none of her sons ever work. The daughters, one married, one widowed, are scrapping together a living by sewing and just good ole living by.
The sons, brought up irresponsible, remain irresponsible. The second brother keeps dropping out of jobs. The third brother considers himself above a job. Why do they need to work, when their sisters will give their sweat & blood to keep the family going?
So - my dear friends - this is one of the many, many stories that I have been hearing lately - and I planned to share with all of us here.
I teach entrepreneurship and I have decided to teach business and family business to the ignored strata of the society. So far, my attempt is to talk to women first, and then gently convince them to raise their sons better and more responsible humans, as well as have dignity themselves.
Point: this whole issue is so deeply layered, it is not to easily classified as “poverty” or “religious school.” Who is going to these political parties and these religious schools, and why?
There is no simple answer and none must be assumed. It’s best to see real-life from up close and personal rather than pass judgments. In fact, isn’t it beyond time to DO SOMETHING? Why talk? I mean who NEEDS another lecture to tell us how rotten we are? Been listening to this again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again.
Did these again’s irritate us? Well it’s worse to actually listen to this Blame-istan.
Why did the farmer of this country raise crops and the van driver drove us to school? So we, the mighty educated, English-speaking, grammar-correcting, fact-checking lovelies could grow up to remind the rest of Pakistan what a piece of #&^& they are?
Really? Do we ever grow up with the notion that other than some patronizing “Duh-nation” we have a responsibility to give much more back?
what have we given back to the farmer whose crop and chicken ended up as our dinner except blatant disrespect and the title of “jaahil?” What have we done for the van driver? Why did this bottom 98% or 96% or 56% of Pakistan serve us, the top of the pyramid of blame-dishing?
What have we done? And what on earth do we intend to gain form blaming, blaming, blaming.
Ask your maasi - she leaves her kids in the madrissah because her drugged husband won’t take care of the kids either - will snatch her hard-earned income, and beat her and the children up. OR, he will open his own religious school.
Ever wonder where these religious schools come from?
THEY ARE THE BOTTOM OF THE EDUCATIONAL PYRAMID WE HAVE - of the desperate, by the desperate, for the desperate.
Oh but to WORK for these people - except to get a certificate of “I did volunteer work, so get me into this American University” - is below us.
Because we speak English and know grammar.
Get a life. In fact - give one. Stop finding a list of tiresome blames, blames, blames. Get out on a limb, and find people who are making things happen. Validate them. Hear them. Pack your bags this summer, and travel outside town. Don’t imagine the villagers and paindoos will attack you. Go to their homes. Talk to them. Learn about their lives. Understand your educated place in the scheme of things.
We were given education by Allah or Mother Nature so that WE’D GIVE BACK. Just do it!
Here, get inspired. Learn something other than dancing in the desert castle from our neighbors in India:
1. Future - India
2. Social Work
3. I Will Join Indian Politics
4. Rural Development of India
5. Indian Education Reform
6. Social Entrepreneurism
Give a life - back to Pakistan!
Ramla: You are doing great work. Give a person a fish and he eats for a day. Teach him (in this case her) to fish and he eats forever.
This post is about child abuse by the “holier than thou” clergy. It needs to be condemned regardless of which religion the clergy belongs to. What makes this story sad is that the clergy is expected to live by higher standards and be an example for the rest of us.
CY’s religion is no ones business. Keep up the good work CY!
Well I think we need to listen to some encouraging stories. I was just checking out Flickr - and there it was again: a bad photographer apparently “bringing bad name to Pakistan.”
PLEASE! What about a few hundred other photographers from Pakistan? Why make such a huge sweeping statement? Someone steals a photo and places them in their portfolio, and Pakistan starts bleeding.
I am doing just what I think is my job and those of other educated people - but I am just TIRED of an absolute lack of encouraging stories. Blame, blame, blame - it goes.
Kya kisi ko koi acha kaam karte huay dekha hai? Nahi? Perhaps the eyes are closed.
It matters, actually. I am dead certain that by always finding the negative and not compensating that with finding the positive, we are reinforcing the negative.
What is it? Glory? Calling black, black, and agreeing that black is black?
Everyone knows that. What next? The next step is to bell the cat. Everyone knows bad things are bad things and bad people are bad people.
Well. Ten points out of ten for finding out something is very rotten. 8/10 for agreeing. -15/10 for action.
It is NOT THE JOB of educated and skilled people to talk and talk like there’s no tomorrow. What did we get educated for? To call a child rapist bad? To agree, overwhelming, heart-bleedingly, that IT SHOULD NOT HAPPEN?
Rocket sociology!
My maid can do that. Actually, I find her wiser than most educated people about social matters.
Now really. Shortage of topics to cover? Go out. find ONE PERSON who is doing something good for their family and community. Thank them. Talk about them. Work with them. NO, don’t throw money. DO GOOD. Find something proactive to do, and DO IT.
We all know Pakistan is bad. Great! Now what should I do in the light of this heartening information!? Skin change with a new passport anywhere??
I really find NO PAKISTANI COMMUNITY on the Internet where one can sit in peace and learn something good - and decide with a group of people about DOING SOMETHING.
It’s a drain on any positive energy and the dream of being productive and useful, to be exposed to a long never-ending list of blames.
And in real life, it’s hard to meet young, energetic people who use their brain and hearts for what they were created for. Either one sees forever help-seeking cripples (otherwise completely blessed) or self-indulgent winners. You got your dream cellphone - great! - but what have you DONE!?
I am starved to hear a good story. A happy story. A positive story. Oh no - not the kind that telco ads show us…. but a story of genuine faith and hope. Service to community. Determination to change.
I want to meet good people. I want to meet people who are doing something. I want to pick up a paper that writes about them. I want to see something that doesn’t change my will to live in a feeling of doom.
++++
Even the pathetic-est countries in the world are now doing something.
You have a lot of time? You want to change Pakistan?
Do this: form a little group; get registered. Go find people below poverty line, vet them (check their background). Meet with them often. Take their photos, collect their info, and share with your family and community and school/college/ office pals. Ask them to raise funds for a family to get it out of debt or poverty or to get them to start a tiny business. Loan that money to the poor.
With more dollops of ample spare time at hand, go check on these people occasionally. Monitor their growth - and they WILL grow once they get some real help instead of critical nonsense.
Take the money back - and give it back to the lenders. Ask them to re-lend. It’s called micro-finance. It is what is a proven way to change the world.
Need more help?
Check http://www.kiva.org. Be astonished at how every lame country is listed for micro-finance at every major donation site, but not Pakistan.
Why? Because here we are, calling the pot black.
haha urooj beyta sach kaha tu aag lag gayee? :-). I didn’t know that, it was you who told about yourself on same forum =) You believe that you are allowed to poke in others matters and when someone show you mirror, you start getting pissed? tsk tsk…
I do agree with you that i was writing all ‘bullcrap’, after all my last post was all about _You_ *grin*
Jay said:
Above link to a Code of Conduct for a church
On the other hand our Mullahs make you believe that their words and deeds are those of God. They will never confirm to any Code of Conduct or even the law of the land.
Robertson: God “will remove judges from the Supreme Court quickly”
Source:tinyurl.com/425kz
Robertson said God told him during a recent prayer retreat that major cities and possibly millions of people will be affected by the attack, which should take place sometime after September
Source: tinyurl.com/ykzevx
But wait.. I should have asked you first that whether you even know who is Pat Robertson? ever heard of Ann coulter?
Even the Jewish clergy has to follow a Code of Conduct
“Jewish Protocols”- Ahem! Right?. Ever heard of Talmud?
If someone acts like psuedo intellectual retard like many here then he wouldn’t hesitate to blame all Rabis and Pontiffs after experiencing Pat & Ann and reading “Jewish Protocols”.
_Israel_ *nuff said”
Jay,get off your momma’s lap. The real world is entirely different than your imaginary world.
@ Ramla: Great work, dudette! Need to talk — gimme your email addy pliss! mine is urooj.zia@gmail.com
Peter Hollingworth AC OBE (born April 10, 1935), is an Australian Anglican bishop and was the 23rd Governor-General of Australia.
On 28 May 2003, he resigned his office as a result of criticism of his actions in an Anglican Church report. The report stated that he had mishandled an allegation of sexual abuse by an Anglican priest during his eleven year tenure as Archbishop of Brisbane.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Hollingworth
Bozz, I don’t know where do you live neither I know whether you even READ local papers. If one reads, he/she would find several instances of rape,child abuse,honor killings and many other crap in Karachi but this parsi kid don’t bother to pen about them at all. Why? because majority of incidents are done by non-Mullahs.
This cy or other psuedo liberal don’t dare to pen about the filth present in posh areas of Clifton ,defence etc where these so called educated retards don’t hesitate to get involved in things which were common in west and now even they are bored of it. I am talking about Incest relationship and other similar activities which are not a “Big thing” in those areas. I know it because my friend’s friend used to work for one of leadig mag of Pakistan. Why doesn’t cy or other leftists write about it? because they belong to the society where such things are not considered bad at all.
I would be the first one to appreciate Cy if he has guts to pen about every filth of society. There are no saints in posh areas nor there are all saints among parsis. Cy always make lame attempts to present himself a human activist while he’s not. This is why I don’t get surprised anymore after reading his posts.
BTW, I do agree with you, Fallen and Frustrated.
Well Ramla, some of us grammar correcting people have a heart too, you know.So here is an organization close to my heart and an encouraging story for you. If you are ever in Lahore, go and visit them - feel the peace and the light.
http://roshni.org.pk/
well said Ramla.
speeches sishpeeches –taqreer shaqreer and ayen bain shaien
hoooraayyyyy to verbal-masturbation.LOLLLLLLLLLL
cheers all
to the Dada Movement
Vader, the Dark Sith
First of all thanks to Ramla for making it easy for me to answer. How?, I’ll let ya know.
@Liberals
It is very interesting that instead of discussing on an individual who made a serious mistake you are attacking the mullah’s. It could be fair enough if it was by a group of mullah’s or any related scenario.
@HUSH
No I don’t need to be a neutralizer. It’s just that the liberals & the conservatives both have few who defame the whole group. The mullah’s are no angels & nor the liberals & I am definitely in no way (lolz). But both are doing enough to damage the over all system.
We should highlight the issues & do it fully & openly because being ostrich is not the issue but do accept that there are good souls in both parties. If you kick all mullah’s & all liberals because of few, then you are doing more damage to the few good among both groups.
Also do try to go into the roots & find out about the wrong ones & its reason in both parties instead of irrelevant leg pulling.
Looking into ones own color which has lately become difficult for both parties. While the mullah’s have nothing better to do then to teach/preach religion by force the liberals on other side are way too out of line thus both giving each other a chance to point fingers at, mostly in a wrong way.
But luckily this time it was liberals turn so they are taking the conservatives to task. It’s as simple as that.
What I wanted to deliver is to what RAMLA has summarized that there are many stories behind one story & “There is no simple answer and none must be assumed “
And also :
So we, the mighty educated, English-speaking, grammar-correcting, fact-checking lovelies could grow up to remind the rest of Pakistan what a piece of #&^& they are?
And :
Ever wonder where these religious schools come from?
THEY ARE THE BOTTOM OF THE EDUCATIONAL PYRAMID WE HAVE - of the desperate, by the desperate, for the desperate.
So many factors contribute in a big/bad incident. Instead of discussing that part you guys are bringing in the less relevant points.
@Conservatives
You decided to hit the author with his understanding of Islam & motives instead of appreciating that he brought it here.
@Ramla:
Sorry if i took your comments out of line or in wrong way. But i quoted them they way i felt their meaning.
*standing ovation* :P
ones own Collar**
Bozz, I don’t know where do you live neither I know whether you even READ local papers. If one reads, he/she would find several instances of _rap3_,child abuse,honor killings and many other crap in Karachi but this parsi kid don’t bother to pen about them at all. Why? because majority of incidents are done by non-Mullahs.
This cy or other psuedo liberal don’t dare to pen about the filth present in posh areas of Clifton ,defence etc where these so called educated retards don’t hesitate to get involved in things which were common in west and now even they are bored of it. I am talking about Inc3st relationship and other similar activities which are not a “Big thing” in those areas. I know it because my friend’s friend used to work for one of leadig mag of Pakistan. Why doesn’t cy or other leftists write about it? because they belong to the society where such things are not considered bad at all.
I would be the first one to appreciate Cy if he has guts to pen about every filth of society. There are no saints in posh areas nor there are all saints among parsis. Cy always make lame attempts to present himself a human activist while he’s not. This is why I don’t get surprised anymore after reading his posts.
@ Uzi:
Thanks - done.
@ MB:
A word said and a piece of art displayed is yours no longer. :) Yet your interpretation is what I would mean.
@ Orig-anon:
I meant to point at our Angraizi-obsessed educational system. I have been an editor, and in another life, would love to teach English language… or even Urdu. Yet I am astonished how this has become the sole craze of our schooling system. I was encouraging a lady to start a business and she discussed the idea of a kids’ summer school - while we were brainstorming courses, she said, most parents only want their children to learn English.
While that upset me - I thought we could work around it… and ALSO teach children Urdu.
Other than that - we need to hear more of the Roshni kind of stories. Indeed I want to hear more about how service to community goes beyond charity or non-profit. I feel that separating “doing good” from normal “life” and “work” actually compartmentalizes doing good. We don’t HAVE to give charity to do good. A far superior way is to align our thoughts, life, and work with the general good of the society.
There is a growing school of thought that advocates “For Impacts” to replace “Not For Profits.” It’s simple: why should profit NOT go to doing good? Logically, this leave the BAD with PROFIT - not totally, but somewhere on that spectrum. Check FORIMPACT.ORG.
Another practical application of this idea, especially for businesspeople, is here:
Why Do We Do Business?
I wrote this paper and previously shared on KMB at some some point.
@ Cy:
1. One of my comments with plenty of links is likely held up in spam filters - plz check.
2. My dear man - you went to a top business school in Pakistan. You have a good job, I believe. You have the freedom to speak. What more could Pakistan give to a Pakistani? What do you really want? How do you think your negativity is being helpful?
Don’t you think YOU fit the profile of the person who should be working to improve things and making them happen? Or if you’re somehow waiting to “get there,” at least give and get positive energy and hope on the way instead of dissing things right and left? Can you answer one simple question: Who can bring change in Pakistan?
Why did this society educate you? Not so you can turn around and pick on everything from mithai to rapes. You are gives resources so you can shoulder great responsibilities.
And this comment is not about you-you… but for all of us, even myself. My realization is that we have left the critical functions of the state and governance to the untrained, unwilling, uneducated (literally - and a 1/2 pun for you, my dear OA), unsystematic.
It’s simple: either we change, or we will be changed. The papers today are testimony. Something is happening in Pakistan, and we no longer have time to blame.
this newspaper is either an online or printed only for parts of lahore…our pakora wala at tariq rd who usually keeps newspapers from around the world does not have it yet….lol
this is funny i posted the above comment at 01:48 am and here it shows 02:48 am….now lets see what happens now… Apr 08 1:50 am 2816 posts 29717 comments
@ Orig-Anon:
I am not saying we’re not doing good - I am certain that almost all of us are… and it’s certainly a part of our value system to be quiet about charity/ helping others.
That said, what we bring to the discussion table or the public is more often this negativity.
@ General….
All I want to say is that, let’s validate something good for a change. Let’s not perpetuate negativity. There is a whole body of thought from ancient to the latest management guru who agree that consistent poisoning of the mind kills determination or otherwise diverts energy.
We are humans, we need hope to get by.
A story: once upon a time there was a blog called PakPositive.com. Poor chap was trying to do some good. In response to an overwhelming demand for “Why don’t you show the dark side?” (I mean by God, we certainly have morbid national tastes!) - he simply left the blog. I am not privy to why he stopped, but as a reader and part contributor, I can sense what drove him away.
Yes, yes, heroes are made of tough stuff but we are all humans. Not exactly one person’s job to clean up others’ unnecessary negativity.
BTW - sigh! - I was saying the exact same thing two years ago too:
http://www.pakpositive.com/opinion/specials/2005/03/two-to-tango.html
:(
Good night!
Ramla: I checked and there arent any posts pending. As for negativity - I can only smile at the irony of all these people sitting around telling me to ‘do more’. Do you even know me? My story? My life? What I do? Where I do it? My values? My interests? My politics?
I avoid commenting on my own posts for obvious reasons - take for example this Adnan Siddiqui chap. He’s so sure he knows everything about me, but betrays basic ignorance about the world outside his little shell with his odd hints at me being a Parsi. Like because he watched MTV once upon a time, saw a VJ named Cyrus and stupidly assumed that my name is spelt the same (hint: it’s not!) So, yeah, forgive me for not engaging people here enough - I guess I really am intolerant when it comes to dealing with deliberately, willfully inferior people.
@CY: What this meant: I guess I really am intolerant when it comes to dealing with deliberately, wilfully inferior people.
And i guess Adnan has a very strong point regarding not bringing out the filth in a particular area. If your answer to it is by saying its none of our/your/anyone’s business on what they do in particular area, then you have a point but then those who treat their women like animals inside their boundary walls do have a point too which is, its none of the liberals business to talk on it either.
The point is, both parties have extremists who are adding destruction. At the left are the conservatives.
The leftists & also the rightist both need to move towards centre for a balance. But instead they are moving more far away from it & are once in a while engaging in you-did-this-wrong attitude without looking into their own collars.
That’s the reason that instead of talking on roots about the incident in the post the liberals pulled every mullah’s leg & the conservatives pulled you understanding about a religion.
@ Cy:
No. I don’t know if there is a more constructive/ positive side to you. I don’t know that you believe in anything positive despite all energy and resources you have the gift of.
And *that*, my dear, is the point.
Ramla: I didn’t realise people had a responsibility to reveal everything about themselves here. I did think that most would use common sense and not attribute certain qualities to people on the basis of occasional blog posts.
@ Cy:
Basic business economics:
To increase profit:-
a. increase revenue
OR
b. decrease cost
OR
c. both a & b.
All right. Don’t do more (deposit into the reader’s emotional bank account); but meanwhile do less (withdraw from the EBA). Simple.
hhahahaa….mmmmmm
@ADNAN S. - Your lines got me thinking and after much deliberation this is what I have to say.
Most blogs started here are based on a critical observation. And that is ok. Since if all things were right and in order there would not be any need to discuss anything.
What CY reported was a problem no matter where it originated or surfaced.
CY may or may not have a history of reporting only these particular kind of problems. But if the problem persists, than reporting it is valid and reason enough.
But what really won the argument in favour of CY is this fact. That CY is a Pakistani and that gives him every right to speak on any problem afflicting any part of our society.
That is or should be the fundamental right of every citizen. No matter what his race, creed, religion caste or color. Incidentally, this was the vision of Mohammed Ali Jinnah too when he fought for Pakistan.
Unfortunately now we have become what we are, a so called, and let me emphasize here, so called Islamic Republic.
In my opinion Muslims are no better if not worse than most other people of other religions. I do not speak of Islam but of us, again the so called Muslims. Deeds speak far better than words.
Lastly but not in the least two wrongs never ever make a right. Morality and Islam both teach us the same.
the islamic republic for whtever reason has a hindu chief justice is it possible other religious minorities are not allowed to speak about injustices done in pakistan? wouldnt that be a weird double standard?
MB well said.
Cy darling when did I claim that I know you? Whatever I said , I expressed on the basis of your several posts here. If you are “something else” then why are you afraid of not exposing your “other” side?
ASH , as naeem said , in Pakistan minorities are free to do whatever they want. They just whine for nothing to do “Dhandora” of Mazlomiat. They are sure thankless people. They should be thankful that they are not in german and austria where talking against holocaust cost leading entire life in prison.
In my opinion Muslims are no better if not worse than most other people of other religions. I do not speak of Islam but of us, again the so called Muslims. Deeds speak far better than words
*nods*
Islam is the best religion, with the worst followers (George Bernard Shaw)
“Islam is the best religion, with the worst followers (George Bernard Shaw)”
A tree is known by its fruits. You cannot claim that a tree is the best of its species but its fruit somehow is rotten.
A school is known by the quality of its graduates. You cannot claim a school to be the best amongst all but somehow its students always fail to graduate.
A religion is known by its followers…
ELIZAMANTIN, well said.
All we are good at is … to pull the otehr leg.
Cy, I know him from long, is much more patriot then any of us here.
Patriot to the “Islamic Republic of Pakistan” … atleast he have guts to write something constructive.
I personally think, the crap written above about “Mullahs” is more harmful then what CY tried to highlight.
Ever wonder that your parents solomonised & received blessings for their marriage (Nikah) by the same “il-literate & un-educated” Mullahs … or …. ???
Why do people keep bringing up these “belssings” of these admittedly illiterate, uneducated and some even extremist Mullahs? All these things nikah, janza, azan etc can and is done by others too. If at some places it is done by Mullah it is not that we can not do it without them. My father used performed nikah (of others :P) and said azan for new-borns even though he was as secular (not atheist - for those Mullahs who are ready to jump in) as you can get. So let’s agree that there is really nothing we need Mullahs for….at least nothing constructive.
@ELIZAMANTIN
aap ne itni zabardast baat kerdi hai ki i need to repeat it , in bold
A tree is known by its fruits. You cannot claim that a tree is the best of its species but its fruit somehow is rotten.
A school is known by the quality of its graduates. You cannot claim a school to be the best amongst all but somehow its students always fail to graduate.
A religion is known by its followers…
Its useless when we talk about the good things about ISLAM. ISLAM without good followers is useless so stop talking about how good its a religion.
A theory on paper & a theory on ground is different . What matters in the end is how it was followed on the ground. If it failed due to any reason the theory will be rejected too.
Similarly saying Islam is best just because it looks best on the paper doesn’t mean the world should accept it too.
MB: Quit trying to appear most intelligent here and come down to earth.
It is quite possible that Islam had been corrupted in so many centuries just as other religions have before Islam. It happened before and it can happen again. So if we see the fruit rotten it could be that tree is rotten too.
@Ramla, I wish I knew what you were saying with your (voodoo) Economics. Are you saying authors are responsible for stroking all the readers and their egos?
@General:
It is unfortunate that every discussion turns into this battle of who does more, who does what, how Islam is the best, let’s beat up the messenger since he is not a Muslim; and since people don’t know what anyone else does they are then free to assume nobody else does anything … blah blah blah…
The self-righteousness is knee deep here.
adnan the holocaust was 50 years ago nowadays you cant compare the human rights (even relative) of religious minorities in Pakistan to Austria or Germany today.
Dear all,
Its important to see, while commenting on anyone what is the message in the talk. NO ONE ON EARTH IS FREE FROM SINS. So if anyone is calling you towards the right path, accept its message instead of commenting on his character.
Here are some more men of cloth. I suspect CY would be blamed for this too for being non-Muslim and around in Karachi at the time this happened.
Normally Police listen to Mullahs…but if both sides are Mullahs who should police listen to? Mullahs at it again…the thing they do best…fasad.
کراچی: پولیس موبائل نذرِ آتش
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…
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/story/2007/04/070410_katrachi_blas phemy_sen.shtml
Now one sect wants to seal other sect’s mosque…sigh.
@ Orig-Anon:
Oh no, my dear. No. I am not going to answer your assumption this time. My POV is stated quite at length.
Secondly, I am going to respond to the blog post here without going through the screening room. THANK you.
P.S. You have lamented at the condition of thoughtful writing on this very blog several times. How would you characterize that? Do you believe the right of critique is franchised to other readers, also? When you give yourself answer to these questions, many more answers will reveal themselves.
@ Cy:
The last line of the post left the field open for all kinds of interpretations. Some thought you attacked religion. I thought you passed a judgment at the social condition. You wanted to spark a debate - and it’s sparked.
All right, let’s assume everyone misunderstood it. Then it’s an excellent reason for you to tell what YOU meant by it.
When a person attempts to publicly address such an issue WITH THE INTENTION OF SPARKING A DEBATE they assume responsibility for their words too, i.e. address the consequences. That’s part of the “Devil’s Advocate” job description. What do you say?