Online Graveyard

Wadi-a-hussainWadi-a-hussain is probably the first of its kind graveyard in the city (though there’s another one in Islamabad).

I read about this couple of years back in a magazine. Ever since then I wanted to write about it. Some days back while going on the highway I saw this graveyard which comes on your right hand while going towards Gulshan-e-Maymar from Sohrab Goth.

The website offers virtual fateha and the group offers all sort of funeral arrangements from ambulance to carry dead bodies as well as the transportation for the family members. One can view the grave, offer fateha sitting at home just by logging in to the site, thanks to technology and the creative minds having such ideas.

“The function of the website is to maintain the database of the Wadi-a-Hussain Graveyard and show the grave pictures online so that people can offer Surah-a-Fateha to their love ones who are not a present part of their life anymore, the website will be updated every month with the new pictures of graves and the concerned record.

Whoever’s idea was this, sounds spooky.

22 Comments so far

  1. Faraz Siddiqui (unregistered) on April 11th, 2007 @ 2:32 pm

    Unaiza Umar, if you dont mind than can you please tell that whats spoky about it, a fellow Muslim is doing some great service to the other Muslim brothers and sisters by using his tecqnical skills and it seems spooky to you…..wow, actually if you dont mind than I would like to say that your mentallity seems spooky to me.


  2. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on April 11th, 2007 @ 3:15 pm

    nice!

    Do they provide some way to transfer dead body electronically via FTP or something with surity that packets wouldn’t get lost or interrupted in middle?


  3. Jamal Shamsi (unregistered) on April 11th, 2007 @ 3:57 pm

    @ Topic

    Dead are dead. Fateha can be offered without the time & space difference., from any location IN universe, for anyone you wish.

    Whats the catch bringing grave pics and burial ceremonies online., webcasting. Publicity stunt or status show off?????

    Keeping an online database of who is who to who is like keeping record at any DHA for space allocation. Makes sense??? anyone. I know my father died and where he is burried, shall i make it public ???? why ???

    Say Graveyard online and any novice internet computer user would obviously ask do they FTP / Upload the dead bodies, or any cyberbath facility to dead.

    logical idea, low class hitech publicity stunt pulled for garveyard with online services. to charge EXTRA.

    there are several graveyards older and better then the ONLINE ONE, all are very well managed and maintained since late 80s’. So drumming about that particular place of burial being online does not make any sense.

    WITH ALL DUE APOLOGISE TO MY SHIA Brethern !


  4. Red_Munk!! (unregistered) on April 11th, 2007 @ 5:59 pm

    HAHA, Desi style scams!!.

    Once a persons dead, they are dead. Life goes on. You/they dont get sawab for streaming the funeral/grave-site online. Neither is it different if a perons burried in a Chadar or a gold plated coffin.

    Fateha can be offered for anyone from any place on earth, God never puts restrictions on ppl, It is we that make these stupid cultures and “aadaabs”.

    Oh and correct me if im wrong, but doesnt Islam tell us to flatten the graves after a certain period of time??

    @ Adnan: haha, the way PTCL (every type of ISP is relying on em) & Klectric Co’s work in Pak, GL!!.

    The poor body’s gonna come on looking worse than a White Micheal Jackson! :P. & God forbid if Windows or IE crashes whilst dl/ul! :P.


  5. Raza (unregistered) on April 11th, 2007 @ 10:18 pm

    Who says ‘fateha’ cannot be offered from any place in the world ?! Let alone the world, it can be from anywhere in the Universe or the multiverse or whatever is the reality of mattern existence. Anyway, this is certainly not a publicity stunt; people abroad, who never get to see their distant relatives, really appreciate this service and NO, they do not charge extra for this. I’ve got a few relatives buried there and the management of the entire place is extremely good; as suggested by the website too. So, if someone is doing a service in the interest of the public, then why do we have to be typically skeptic about it ? I think it is a great effort and whoever thought of it deserves a lot of praise.


  6. Turab (unregistered) on April 12th, 2007 @ 12:44 am

    for people who are outside the country and want to see their near and loved ones’ graves via the website… i don’t see any problem with that…

    just because its a shia grave yard… then its all fun and games…


  7. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on April 12th, 2007 @ 2:01 am

    Turab kid, it’s your own mental sickness that you are bringing secterian factor here. There was no intention to offend shias here.

    Yes I know if that graveyard belonged to some mullah community then you or your other internet activists were sure going to chant against mullahs or their graves.


  8. Red_Munk!! (unregistered) on April 12th, 2007 @ 3:27 am

    “just because its a shia grave yard… then its all fun and games…”

    Further proof of what drugs do to you.

    Hey Raza,If it makes sense to you, serves its purpose & brings you closure. Great!.

    Id rather give the money to charity in the deceased name, but w/e swings one’s boat.


  9. wasiq (unregistered) on April 12th, 2007 @ 3:34 am

    actually i did not learn about it from a magazine or an ad…i did from a friend’s funeral,her beloved son was out of the country and was not able to attend despite his despirate afforts….people were talking about this graveyard’s online service thanks to which he will be able to see his mothers grave first thing in the morning….


  10. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on April 12th, 2007 @ 11:06 am

    It’s funny that at one side Mr.Jamal keep chanting anti-Mullah slogans while he just demonstrated same attitude by criticizing this project. Hypocrisy,what else.

    Lots of Karachi graveyards can’t be automated due to severe mismanagment. Graveyards like Sakhi Hasan,Paposh are severly mismanaged and I often hear stories of removing graves by “gorkans” despite of families pay handsome amount for the managment of their lovedones graves. There is also a sad and pathetic practise that people now “book” their graves in future which creates troubles for other dead bodies.

    I don’t know which govt dept is responsible to take care all graveyards but I believe that there is a dire need of keeping an eye on graveyards managment and records of graves by concerned department so that people could atleast DOESNT becom victim of corruption at the time of funeral.

    Last time i heared that a grave in sakhi hasan sanctuary cost PKR 5,000 3/4 years ago.


  11. Jamal Shamsi (unregistered) on April 12th, 2007 @ 1:54 pm

    @ Adnan

    Criticizing ?? you sure about it?

    All grave yards you mentioned above are under GOVERNMENT control, so everyone can distinguish how those could be., but not as organized as the one under discussion.

    Let me assure you if you know name and date of death of a person died in 1959, and you are unable to locate where that grave is, The graveyard record can tell you where it is, and You may also be able to locate the grave for sure if it is attended by heirs properly. or else you can only get a xerox graveyard register page as proof of burial, without locating the grave.

    Bringing a graveyard online for streaming / webcasting does not make sense.

    Any day that webstreaming would become available by GSM service and the only people going to graveyard would be ambulance driver. Dead body delivery to undertakers who would webcast on GSM and Internet so people can attend the funeral LIVE., anywhere.

    So need to attend namaz janaza or giving shoulder to dead for the last journey will also be eliminated.

    all this considered, no wonder there will be undertaker services coming to Karachi – offering

    Murda dejeeay- aur fiker sai azad ho jayeaay ham ap kay saray kam kar kay video soyem walai din pohncha dain gai. (Allah Maaf karay)

    Without any sectarian BULL DUNG it is cheap publicity stunt for those who does not wish to miss an opportunity of STATUS show off.

    Many Graveyards on Hub river road are well managed. They also maintain a database in hard & soft format both. All that done & maintained FEE SABEEL ILAH by group of individuals who never expose themselves. The Slip for those Grave yards is Rs. 500.00.


  12. Usman Farooqi (unregistered) on April 12th, 2007 @ 3:08 pm

    @Jamal Shamsi
    If some Muslim is doing some service to the Muslims without harming any one and from his own skills and money without disturbing some one,without blocking roads,without burning cars and tyres,without doing sucide bomb blasts and without illegaly occuping any children library than whats the problem with you,come on Shamsi…. have a life you idiot,and does you know the purpose of creation of this web site even if it is for showing off than whats wrong with you…why dont you simply mind your own business,I think you seriously need to learn some basic ethics…..next time better be in your senses while commenting on some public forum.


  13. Abdullah Qadri (unregistered) on April 12th, 2007 @ 3:14 pm

    @Jamal Shamsi and similar donkeys
    Tis is for the stupid Shamsi and all his donkey companions who are bringing the Shia,Sunni factor in between without any reason,this shows the hidden terrorist mullah inside you and what kind of sick mentallity do you donkeys in face of human have,Jamal Shamsi you ar only commenting on this forum for “Sasti Shaurat”,other wise your comments are totally nonsense…now better pay attention to improve you mentallity rather than wasting you usless time in counter commenting on this forum.


  14. Khuram Usmani (unregistered) on April 12th, 2007 @ 3:17 pm

    sick mental people like Shamsi should not be allowed on such public forums.


  15. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on April 12th, 2007 @ 5:22 pm

    as long as people like Jamal exist in different sectors of business, Pakistan can’t do anything in IT. I often experienced similar baseless resistance from the people who were not willing to accept changes and prefer to follow old register based manual system to keep their jobs safe.


  16. Raza (unregistered) on April 12th, 2007 @ 8:44 pm

    Okay people, please refrain from calling each other names at least !

    @Shamsi
    I’m afraid you take a very narrow-minded view of the whole thing. We live in the world of the Internet today; every freaking thing is online these days! (especially in the West). So, if someone decides to start a website it is certainly not a publicity stunt, they just embrace a new medium which has already become the norm for a lot of people even here in Pakistan.

    The only view is public service (especially for people who would NEVER get to visit their relatives’ graves personally). I’ve never checked the website alot myself since I can go there personally. You are exaggerating when you say people are going to stop going to graveyards as a result.

    So stop bickering and accusing the good people who started this. If you don’t approve of it, fine! … but at least have the courtesy to respectfully disagree and not embarrass yourself by making a show of it.


  17. Jamal Shamsi (unregistered) on April 12th, 2007 @ 9:35 pm

    Beam me UP Scotty

    Opps… connection error, network failed, App ka matloba number dosri line par masroof hai, sorry the subscriber you are calling is out of coverage area

    Inn na Lillah Ha Wan Inna Alayhay Rajayoon

    Marhom nayk admi thay, connection error ke waja sai tadfeen mai takheer ka announcement karwa deejay —

    online inteqal farma gai, na namaz na kafan, na janaza na kandha.

    Thank you for the golden words everyone,

    Izzat aafzayee ka shukreya – Allah aap logon ko online tadfeen ke opportunity ata farmai, ameen


  18. Captain Sathish (unregistered) on April 13th, 2007 @ 12:02 am

    to begin with what was the reason to start this topic discussing a graveyard with hitech services

    cy step out and tell everyone what the microscopic community of holy fire is been doing about online since even before dsl services came into being in pakistan.

    video streaming of cremation / hall of silence for overseas settlers

    may be wadi-hussain is doing it against some payment where as we do it for free and we do not drum it.

    in islam fotografy is not allowed unless dire need by the law of the land how come videografy and fotos of graves can be allowed in any of 72 sects of muslims

    i may not be muslim, but i always try to be a much better INSAN then many of you as far as being human is concern which the prophet muhammed (pbuh) was before he was allowed to declare the prophecy by the almighty swt

    pity you 72 sects

    and if am not wrong some bukhari hadith clearly indicate demolition of graveyards to make space for others people say that graveyard in makkah & madina are levelled every year some place called jannat al baki is also in that list correct me please

    am sure many clean shaven literate guys with good knowledge of holy quran and hadith shareef also participate here in this blog

    others please stay away i wish not to lower myself to an online grave, or sandal wood shamshan

    mr.spock this is captian kirk prepare and zap to earth kirk out


  19. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on April 13th, 2007 @ 1:12 am

    Captain sahab I value and respect your comment and knowledge about Islam. As far as 72 sects within Islam, well they are in every religion including hinduism. You already mentioned the prophecy of the prophet[saw]. It’s all human nature. Even two real brothers don’t get agreed at one point.

    Yes you are right about Janatul Baqi and several other graveyards where graves are unnamed. If you notice I was actually talking about corruption by graveyard managment. Unlike Saudia etc they remove the graves who are not taken care by their family members. Sometimes they remove if you don’t pay a reasonable amount. There is no certain order by concerned officials like saudis level graves regardless of any external influence. Several graves of famous companions[RA] were levelled and nobody know their signs now. Pls try to make difference between an Islamic/govt order and corruption.

    And kindly don’t get fooled by the Title of the topic. I would agree with your point about imagery but let me clear that in Islam only sketches of living things are disallowed. Same order was previously given to Moses[as] as well in form of Ten commandments and the only reason the order was given that it’s like challenging Allah’s ability to create a creature. Allah clearly challenges people who make sketches would be asked at day of Qayamah to give life to sketches they made in world if they think they are more powerful than God. As far as facilities like online fatiha etc.. well I am not a shia neither I am willing to say anything about their belief. They know the best. The only reason I support the project because it provides a facility to automate the records of graveyard electronically which is helpful for both managment and the family members of those who are resting in peace.


  20. Dee (unregistered) on April 13th, 2007 @ 2:08 am

    Okay people, Get down from your high horses.We all have to die and how we want our last rites performed its our business.If some people want to see on-line graves of their love ones let them make this choice.
    I think having grave registeries is an excellant idea.I remember when my nana jaan passed away and his janaza had to move from one grave yard to another as there were no graves availabe.So please do consider before firing up your guns.We are living in densely populated city and registeries will let people know if graveyards have space or not.It will save so much grieve to already grieving families.
    Personally, i will allow not allow on-line viewing of my grave,in case of my death.If people want to come to my funeral good if they cant then no harm done nor any hard feelings will be harboured.:)
    Dee


  21. Red_Munk!! (unregistered) on April 13th, 2007 @ 11:12 am

    “and if am not wrong some bukhari hadith clearly indicate demolition of graveyards to make space for others people say that graveyard in makkah & madina are levelled every year some place called jannat al baki is also in that list correct me please”

    True.

    Shows the mental capacity of us as a nation that instead of rationalising & having debate, we stoop down ridiculosly & indulge in Racial & Secratatian slurs.

    Everyone has a right to do what he or she wants.

    Great, lets get naked & fling crap at each other :D.


    Photography is cringed upon in our religion, but its not a religion that puts restrictions on the belivers. Its the people that put restrictions.

    Only laws of the Holy Quran are written in stone.

    Even Hadith can be modified in time by Ijma and Kiyas (Debate & deliberation).

    & before some idiot came in and started crying that Shia’s were being ridiculed, (I ask em to point to the proof), the point that was being made is that one does not have to be @ a graveyard to offer Fateah for the deceased.

    It can be done from any place @ any given time.

    Learn to think & educate yourselves with the religion you follow instead of picking and choosing what suits your needs at that time.

    @ DEE: Gracious of you!. I think Ill wear a white “chaddar”, some noisy & rusted chains & scare all the absentees :P.—-Hmm, maybe even appear in one of the “Funeral Casts”, become a chain-email sensation.

    Ahh!, the endless posibilities being a spirit offers! :P.

    (Although, in all actuality, ill be burning in hell for saying/reading all of the above!. o_O)


  22. Dee (unregistered) on April 23rd, 2007 @ 3:56 am

    @ DEE: Gracious of you!. I think Ill wear a white “chaddar”, some noisy & rusted chains & scare all the absentees :P.—-Hmm, maybe even appear in one of the “Funeral Casts”, become a chain-email sensation.

    @Red_Munk!! …….>LOL, do as you please.
    Dee



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