The language of “Dunda”

(Credit : D0CTOR)
Before you look at this photo i request you to read this related article by Javaid Chaudhry to understand the overall message/concern. You can replace JC’s dunda with the belt here. And as always, there is plenty ot show about all educated representatives of ours. Who needs more manners ?

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68 Comments so far

  1. ash (unregistered) on May 1st, 2007 @ 9:05 am

    oh and i have never in my life screamed oye mulle :) i am only guilty of using a word mullah which traditionalists and seculars use alike and i was unaware that the word mullah has now become a slur. I know many religious bearded people who are very pro humanity and pro woman, you just never see them representing the molana movement. If you did why would i bother complaining?


  2. Red_Munk!! (unregistered) on May 1st, 2007 @ 10:27 am

    “you cant get more democratic than MQM, they really are of the people and by the people – for the people”

    Are you serious?

    Im gonna let other ppl set u right on that one.

    Anyways, you have your belifs & ill continue to have mine :).

    Iraq & Afghanistan, since you quote them repeatedly, look @ the before & after.

    I hear interviews of Iraqi’s every other day on BBC (From Our Own Correspondents, TODAY etc) who think Saddam was better anyday than the liberation they have been gifted. So many Shia’s & Sunni’s, sitting at the same dinner table cannot realise why they are being made to fight and kill each other.

    I know just like the NW situation you can say “It is the way it is”, but who in the end looses?

    Its the civilians of the land. i.e Pakistan.

    Mush had unequvical support for most of his tenure & by holding each and every position of power in his hand, he really does not have any excuse for the present state of the country.

    Btw, which karachi do you live in that does not have AQ’s??

    Read the NYTimes/Wash Post (stories of training cells & hideouts frequent the editorial pages) or get out of the house more my friend :).

    Im off to the beach. Ya’ll have a wonderfull holiday.


  3. Concerned (unregistered) on May 1st, 2007 @ 3:33 pm

    @Red munk

    “you cant get more democratic than MQM, they really are of the people and by the people – for the people”

    MQM representatives are definetely “of the people” and they are “for the people too”, because you see them doing more then most of the previous bloody govts. As for “by the people”, I admit the electoral process is not the best, but they still have a big support group in every part of Karachi. look around, beyond your immediate surroundings.


  4. ash (unregistered) on May 1st, 2007 @ 9:14 pm

    thanks for “settings things straight” concerned …lol…
    rm you misunderstood me, i didnt say america liberated afghanistan or iraq i am saying that they destroyed them , that endless people died, all the capable people left the country and the wars there are never ending. I am saying that would have been our only alternative.
    enjoy the beach.


  5. Adnan siddiqi (unregistered) on May 2nd, 2007 @ 10:53 am


    Mullahs in Pakistan as an overall entity have been really bad to women with few exceptions , thats the difference.

    That is your ignorance ash kid which is not new for me. I don’t need to ask how many mullahs you have dealt in your life because I know you belong to a cult[Army] where people are not free to think beyond boundaries. Keep it up! :-)


  6. Adnan siddiqi (unregistered) on May 2nd, 2007 @ 10:55 am

    Ash, I would have dealt more MQM people in real life than you would have dealt with mullahs. Keep doing your sissy drawing politics which doesn’t matter at all.


  7. Adnan siddiqi (unregistered) on May 2nd, 2007 @ 10:58 am

    Ash, the world mullah is offensive for liberals and secularist just like Islam and Quran is offensive and unacceptable for non-Muslims :-). No difference. It doesn’t hurt anyone at all as I know you guys can’t bite :-)


  8. MQM Ka Darinda (unregistered) on May 2nd, 2007 @ 1:25 pm

    @Red_Munk or surkh bandar: thank you for the appreciation. I didn’t know your species also read this blog. Keep posting 10 pages long comments.

    Acha ab ziada baat nai warna Wasiq chor do ga tum sub pe

    Jay MQM Ki


  9. ash (unregistered) on May 2nd, 2007 @ 8:19 pm

    As usual you completely manage to evade the point adnan. You should either tell me that women need to be subjugated or you should stop defending a moot argument. Are you really expecting me to believe that the national molana movement secretly believes in womens rights? I have already said that there are many individual molana’s who might be progressive.
    I cant answer for your MQM connections, i suggest you read the manifesto specially the part where they specifically talk about womens absolute equality and if you can find the same sentiment in the MMA please let me know.
    As for how many molana’s you know, well ask any bunch of molanas whether men are allowed to hit their “disobediant” wives (and spare me your personal interpretation of the word “daraba” ) and if you think the majority disagree with that then get back to me. As you know its commonly considered a mans “privelege” in religious circles – so forget about me ever respecting those men. And stop pretending not to understand.


  10. Red_Munk!! (unregistered) on May 3rd, 2007 @ 3:46 am

    “so forget about me ever respecting those men. And stop pretending not to understand”

    the key word there is “those”.

    Islam does give equal rights to women & no where in the Quran is degrading or using violence against them allowed, let alone encouraged.

    Thankfully Allah revealed His Book as a universal one.

    It is our laziness that we become slave to a “mullah” rather than taking the effort and reading It ourselves.

    It pretty funny/sad to see what started out as condemnation of one MPA’s actions has been turned into “mullah” bashing & being blamed on others.

    Its been 5 days & not a single word, positive or negative by the party @ the forefront on womens issues(
    “so forget about me ever respecting those men. And stop pretending not to understand”

    the key word there is “those”.

    Islam does give equal rights to women & no where in the Quran is degrading or using violence against them allowed, let alone encouraged.

    Thankfully Allah revealed His Book as a universal one.

    It is our laziness that we become slave to a “mullah” rather than taking the effort and reading It ourselves.

    It pretty funny/sad to see what started out as condemnation of one MPA’s actions has been turned into “mullah” bashing & being blamed on others.

    Its been 5 days & not a single word, positive or negative by the party @ the forefront on womens issues(


  11. ash (unregistered) on May 3rd, 2007 @ 6:03 am

    :)
    “Islam does give equal rights to women & no where in the Quran is degrading or using violence against them allowed, let alone encouraged.

    Thankfully Allah revealed His Book as a universal one.

    It is our laziness that we become slave to a “mullah” rather than taking the effort and reading It ourselves.”

    this is my point exactly RM …Islam is not misogynist but the molana movement certainly is. Anyone who thinks other wise should check out religious scholars on the internet or ask their own molana’s what Surah Nisa means. The vast majority of molana’s will unbashedly tell you a man can hit his disobediant wife …but gently ofcourse…whatever…what person in their right mind can support the molana movement after that?
    I acknowledge that all political parties in pakistan are pretty cr@p …MQM touts womans lib on the streets and in manifesto’s but its own people are caught in hideous acts like the one seen above. Why would anyone still support them and consider them pro woman ? look at all the other clowns in pakistani society and politics …belive me the MQM are Virginia Wolf compared to the other misogynists.
    Adnan i have never specifically heard you say that men have a divine right to beat their wives or that women are second class citizens so I am unclear what type of molana or whatever you are. If you are the good kind (there are some) i am really surprised that you keep pretending that there isnt a problem here, the responsibility on our “religious guiders” is a thousand times more imp than what a bunch of city officials say or do. Unfortunately our prominent majority of religious leaders as a whole just suck eggs and thank God it was clarified that we can only be judged by Allah and that no human is closer to God than the next.
    Our mullahs/molanas are every bit as perverse as the catholic church back in its heyday, luckily they have no spiritual status in Islam.Thats no accident my friend. Allah does know best.


  12. Red_Munk!! (unregistered) on May 3rd, 2007 @ 9:42 am

    “vast majority of molana’s will unbashedly tell you a man can hit his disobediant wife ”

    I disagree. You seem hell-bent on catagorising everyone with a beard as an MMA/Raiwand/Taliban supporter.

    “the responsibility on our “religious guiders” is a thousand times more imp than what a bunch of city officials say or do.”

    Agree with u partially there. Its a cultural problem. IMO, education begins at home, at more than anyone it is the parents responsibilty. Especially Women themselves who are predominant in a childs upbringing.

    You end it brilliantly, the Almighty does know best. It is us who have given these guys “Prominance”….Masala sells. @least sexuality is natural. These guys just manipulate the simpltons.

    (Btw, I just disagree with the policy’s of MMA leadership. I still maintain that the majority of Religious folks are doing a wonderfull job. Sadly that goes un-appreciated/reported to the masses).


  13. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on May 3rd, 2007 @ 11:35 pm

    RM, Ash is spoil brat kid who is an Army product,can’t thing beyond the current policy of Army. If you would have met her in Zia era then same girl or someone like would not waste time to worship a Mullah since Mullahs in Zia era like Mullah Omar,Gulbadin Hikmatyar,Mullah Dadullah were Godfathers for Generals. forgive this girl who is sitting thousands of mile away from Pakistan in her chilled room with a laptop :-)


  14. ash (unregistered) on May 4th, 2007 @ 12:24 am

    i never supported Zia, and its pretty warm today …also i dont have a lap top. You are pretty priceless adnan and somehow always wrong even about mundane things. I noticed you have no ideologic defence for my question on the official molana stand on darba and Surah Nisa.

    RM since you have excluded MMA taliban and AQ that was really the brunt of my argument. We agree on the rest. I am unaware of a large group of political religious people who embody the sort of Islam that you and I both believe in but i’d like to hear about them if they do exist. Ofcourse many individuals whether bearded or not do actually have the same outlook as me regarding the rights of woman in Islam. Its only politically that those voices are a minority.


  15. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on May 4th, 2007 @ 11:32 am


    i never supported Zia,

    Really? can you say this in army parties and curse Generals who made money in name of Taliban and Islam. Now don’t say such thing didn’ happen at all. The morons of your cult like Akhter Abdul Rahman, and others made lots of money by selling scuds to Iran. Do you remember Ojhri Camp accident? :-)

    I noticed you have no ideologic defence for my question

    LOL! i don’t need to defence your fictitious and baseless rant kid. If you think that your rants like “Molvi beats women”, “Molvi are evils” and consider someone to defend these which doesn’t hold water then I must say you live in fools paradise. Your knowledge depends on what yo have been fed in without any contribution of your own efforts to seek truth. Typical yank.

    The truth is, Army is the facist cult of Pakistan. In past they used talibans and afghanis to earn cash by supporting them with help of American back. They are doing same, earning money by selling them in millions of dollars to America. May God help us to getrid of this fascist cult-Ameen.

    You are ignorant about your own army’s facist act. Wasn’t the link THE FACCIST ARMY enough to getrid of your ignorance. Calling me wrong, so far you provide no proof to prove you right :-)

    May God keeps inceasing your ignorance abotu Movlsis and even about your own cult.Ameen. As it doesn’t hurt anyone.

    It was my mistake that i actually responded you. As I had forgot ,Never argue with a fool, he will lower you to his level and then beat you with experience..

    Have fun!


  16. ash (unregistered) on May 4th, 2007 @ 7:45 pm

    wow …so you recycle huh Adnan? Havent we heard that catch phrase about 5 times? it wasnt very good even the first time try getting your little brother to write you another one …lol… So lets break that rant down into some semblance of logic

    1. adnan hates the army
    2. adnan hates everyone who doesnt hate the army
    3. adnan doesnt want to answer the question being asked
    4. in the absence of a good rebuttal adnan chooses personal insults, empty slogans and calls other people “yanks” – mashallah, such an impressive way to “teach” other people about your point of view :)
    Next time a question bothers you so much just dont answer it :)


  17. wasiq (unregistered) on May 7th, 2007 @ 3:43 am

    88/36=2.4444444444444444(i don’t see no zeroes here do you..?)

    don’t forget to watch the champions on the 9th may…..la la lala la


  18. Red_Munk!! (unregistered) on May 7th, 2007 @ 2:09 pm

    haha.

    The goal average is around that too,

    but we lost a lot of games that we should not have. (West-ham, g00ners (one @ ot)).

    Bring on the FA Cup!



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