5 more years

If you’re hoping that power crisis would end soon, wake up and smell the coffee. It seems like spending (endless?) summer nights in a blackout is going to be a norm for 5 more years, or so. Our basic problems doesn’t seem to be sorted out even after a decade into the 21st century.

Now that we know what to expect, who else is up for generating electricity at home?

45 Comments so far

  1. UZi (unregistered) on May 18th, 2007 @ 6:19 pm

    Thank god for the UPS that at least powers the lights and fans at home! And thank god for the industrial generator at the office that powers eeeeeeeeeeeeverything imaginable )and then some). :P As for the KESC: ROT!!! :P


  2. KhiTorPit (unregistered) on May 18th, 2007 @ 6:44 pm

    Thanks God that we have gas stove otherwise we would not be even able to cook food also.

    The govt. should have ban on using airconditioner everywhere specially in all offices.
    Govt. should do something to stop ppl migrating Khi everyday, as we have more and more apt. building increasing thats the another reason why the consumption of electricity is soo high.


  3. Lies (unregistered) on May 18th, 2007 @ 6:51 pm

    I sense some frustration, umar.

    Seriously though, any one got any news on the latest “masterplan” to provide sufficient bijli?


  4. Arsalaan Haleem (unregistered) on May 18th, 2007 @ 6:54 pm

    I never thought that it would come to this…..our family, too, have starting our generating our own electricity….and have been thinking about selling some of it to the neighbours, to earn some much needed cash :-))


  5. Salman A. (unregistered) on May 18th, 2007 @ 7:07 pm

    I am thinking of buying some uranium for peaceful purposes :)


  6. Khakan (unregistered) on May 18th, 2007 @ 7:17 pm

    @Uzi,
    I think UPS is doing more harm than good because UPS stores the power and does not generate the power. Think about it,almost every household now have UPS which means people are consuming more energy than they needed and everybody storing the power which is creating more shortage. Dont think I am against it because my house has it too but I just thought that we should think about other alternatives than UPS.


  7. Anon (unregistered) on May 18th, 2007 @ 7:28 pm

    There is no easy short term solution other than the UPS and generator. The problem is clearly a supply and demand issue; the equipment is also very old which means they are not able to make the most of what is generated. They can’t forecast spikes either, that is what causes the load shedding.

    Large industrial plants all over the world do generate a major portion of their electricity themselves. It makes sense simply because it is cheaper to generate than to buy; I will not be shocked if neighborhoods have their own powerplants.


  8. Anon (unregistered) on May 18th, 2007 @ 7:45 pm
  9. KhiTorPit (unregistered) on May 18th, 2007 @ 7:57 pm

    Anybody knows any progress in making the plant of generating bijli through garbage ?
    @Khakan, what do you think what could be other alternative than ups ?


  10. Ali (unregistered) on May 18th, 2007 @ 8:06 pm

    Atleast this time Syed Muhammed Amjad did lied!!!!


  11. Ali (unregistered) on May 18th, 2007 @ 8:10 pm

    Atleast this time Syed Muhammed Amjad didnt lied this time!!!!


  12. Zeeshan Syed (unregistered) on May 18th, 2007 @ 8:25 pm

    Glad you covered this up Umar!

    I’m getting another generator. The one I bought last year (some cheap chinese brand) got fried. I am getting another Chinese made Generator that would run on GAS and would self-start with a key. Yayy! :D


  13. Salman A. (unregistered) on May 18th, 2007 @ 8:58 pm

    Zeeshan, you sound like an experienced generator user. Why don’t you post here some generator reviews along with their prices. This gives you an opportunity to serve the community in a way. I am sure there would be lot of people like me who would be interested in buying one finally. Also tell us which brand would be more sturdy and DHA friendly ‘cos we are more prone to humidity in this part of the city.


  14. axiomatic (unregistered) on May 18th, 2007 @ 9:07 pm

    This is to all you forward looking people. Alternative energy options are available in abundance in Pakistan. However, OMC (oil mktg cos) are putting pressure on govt not to allow wind or solar energy use in electricity generation.

    The good news is that alternative energy board has been set up, and govt has issued letters of intent to about 150 companies to set up wind farms in area from Gharo to KT Bunder.

    For Karachi, wind energy option for home usage is also available. We are providing windmills of 1KW to 3 KW locxally manufactured and having a life of 20 years plus. Solar energy solutions are also available.

    Karachi has one of the best wind regimes in the world, even better than Germany and Sweden which are supposed to be the world’s biggest wind electricity producers. But it’s tragic that like in so many other areas, those responsible have failed this potentially rich nation in this area too.


  15. Zeeshan Syed (unregistered) on May 18th, 2007 @ 9:11 pm

    Govt. should do something to stop ppl migrating Khi everyday, as we have more and more apt. building increasing thats the another reason why the consumption of electricity is soo high.

    While, I do not agree with imposing a ban on using ACs, I do support the idea of banning people from coming in Karachi. That would actually help us in a lot of ways and would also stop Electricity Theft.


  16. Anon (unregistered) on May 18th, 2007 @ 9:30 pm

    Excellent post Axiomatic – UPS and Generators are a good short term solution, it is worth investing in this. Honda/Yamaha both make good ones.


  17. Zeeshan Syed (unregistered) on May 18th, 2007 @ 9:45 pm

    Zeeshan, you sound like an experienced generator user. Why don’t you post here some generator reviews along with their prices. This gives you an opportunity to serve the community in a way. I am sure there would be lot of people like me who would be interested in buying one finally. Also tell us which brand would be more sturdy and DHA friendly ‘cos we are more prone to humidity in this part of the city.

    Posted by: Salman A. at May 18, 2007 08:58 PM

    Sure thing. I am not really experienced with this thing but I do know some stuff as I am trying to get one and thus, I have done some market research (to some extent).

    There are CHINESE made generators all available all around Karachi. Now, we all know China produces both Category A, B, C and hey maybe even U but the point is that you can get a generator that will not prove to be heavy on your pocket.

    People tend to buy and install UPS systems. I tend to disagree with the whole UPS idea. UPS needs time to recharge. In a city where electricity is a major problem and where power failures can even extend 24 hours, you can not expect to have UPS working for ya without getting fried!

    It needs time to recharge. We have 2 hours of load shedding here – twice or thrice in 24 hours. That means at least 4 hours of UPS usage. Your UPS will get recharged properly and this will have a major impact on the life of your UPS.

    With Generators, you have the power to produce energy for as long as you want. Generators do not cost as much as a UPS costs. You can get a small generator which runs on Petrol for as low as 4.5k, while a domestic made UPS costs somewhere between 10k-14k. The small generator’s fuel consumption is not bad if you ask me. It can run up to 2 hours/liter and I guess that’s pretty impressive. It can light up 4 fans and 4 tube lights (or 8-10 energy savers).

    These generators though have no guarantee and they can run straight for 2 years or won’t even work for a year and this what happened to me. I also made a huge mistake of NOT running it throughout the winter season. I should have ran it for a couple of minutes. I am sure that’s the reason why my generator malfunction.

    I am getting a nice deal. Let me explain about the generator that I am looking forward to buy. I am getting a Chinese-made generator that will produce enough power (when running on Petrol) to run the following:

    3 to 4 Tubelights (or 10 Energy Savers)
    4 Fans
    1 Television
    1 VCR (or DVD player)
    1 Fridge

    The generator that I am talking about is also chinese made. It will Self-start. It means that I won’t have to pull that string kinda thingy and hurt my back every time I run it. Self-starting generators can easily be turned ON or OFF by using a KEY. Pretty much like how you start your car. The non self start generators work like starting a Motorcycle engine or Rickshaw.

    The best thing about the above generator is that it can produce a good amount of Electricity running on Natural Gas. Yup, that’s right. Natural GAS and no that does not mean you will need a CNG cylinder attached. Your normal SUI GAS will do the job. Please keep in mind that every generator works like a car/motorcylce’s engine. That means, you will have to run it on Petrol for at least a month (after buying it) and once the engine has start to run smooth (jub generator RAWAN ho jaye), then you can run it on GAS. Pretty much like any brand new or overhauled car engine.

    How much does it cost?

    Well, it will cost you somewhere near 19,000-21,000.

    What can I run once I start running my generator on SUI GAS?

    Basically, all the stuff that I mentioned about but running your Refrigerator would be a difficult on FULL load is not a good idea. If you want to run your Refrigerator then turn off a couple of lights and that’ll do the job.

    Should I trust these Chinese Brands

    Well, if you can buy a decent Japanese made Generator then go for that. Because Japan’s third quality products are still better then Chinese’s A grade products.

    Any after-sale support?

    This is not a BRANDED generator (like HONDA, Yamaha etc) that I am getting. The shop keeper though is promising “2 free services in a year”. He has clearly told me that if there is a fault with any “parts” then I’ll have to pay for that.

    Any alternative to Chinese generators?

    Sure! Honda is officialy operating in Karachi. ABN Amro Credit Card users can get a HONDA generator on 6-10 months on 0% mark up. Anything that exceeds 12 months of repayment schedule and you will have to pay mark-up.

    Are HONDA generators made in Japan

    Lol! No!! They are also chinese made. Difference is that the company is here and the deal is legit. They have service centers in major areas of Karachi (Gulishan, Shahra-e-Faisal, Defence etc) and they promise ON YEAR HONDA WARRANTY plus a FREE HOME DELIVERY. Unfortunately, this offer is only limited to ABN AMRO CREDIT CARD users.

    There… I have tried to explain things as much as I could and as much as I could remember LOL. Now, if there is anything else you guys wana ask and if I know about it, I’ll surely let you know.

    Can the mods please post this as a STORY on KMB. We are going to face Power Crises for the next 60 months (5 years and I guess, people should start considering home power generating products as a valuable asset.


  18. Tamed~. (unregistered) on May 18th, 2007 @ 9:48 pm

    This makes it clear, privatizing the institutions are not a solution of all the problems.

    Any one concern about whatever happening in PIA.

    Almost on daily basis you can find news about their aircrafts surviving accidents, it has not even been a YEAR since their last plane crash in Multan. But no body seems to care.


  19. KhiTorPit (unregistered) on May 18th, 2007 @ 9:50 pm

    @Zeeshan, “I do not agree with imposing a ban on using ACs”.

    You dont agree thats fine, but whats the reason behind that ?


  20. Planner (unregistered) on May 18th, 2007 @ 9:56 pm

    AoA!

    GAS Generators are cheaper solution for industries but the only problem is there high noise, which can be minimized by CANOPI!


  21. BitterTruth (unregistered) on May 18th, 2007 @ 9:58 pm

    @Zeeshan Nice information Zeeshan (if you are not a dealer yourself and wrote it without selfishness :D )
    What you are suggesting in 21K, one can get the equipment including refrigerator is rather suspicious…are you sure about the number of devices? if yes how?
    also if someone runs it on suigas how much is the cost? and the cost of conversion to gas?
    any risks?

    Finally
    put a ban on Karachi inflow..thats weird proposal. To indirectly do is to develop small cities all over Pakistan especially Sindh which has no city except Karachi, instead of making gigantic cities even larger


  22. Zeeshan Syed (unregistered) on May 18th, 2007 @ 10:09 pm

    Ok I just read my post above and there are hundreds of grammatical mistakes. Sheeesh!

    I am sorry about all the mistakes. I am realllyyy sleepy and that’s not helping at all!


  23. Salman A. (unregistered) on May 18th, 2007 @ 10:17 pm

    @Zeeshan:
    Thank you so much and don’t worry about the typos. i jus did too.. :)


  24. Zeeshan Syed (unregistered) on May 18th, 2007 @ 10:33 pm

    @Zeeshan, “I do not agree with…”.
    You dont agree thats fine, but whats the reason behind that?
    Posted by: KhiTorPit at May 18, 2007 09:50 PM

    Simple, because you can not work in offices without air conditioning. Tell me, would you sit under a fan in a huge office, with at least 100 people on each floor? How is that going to work? Yaar garmi hi mar day ge. Waisay bhi hum kaam choor log hain, phir tu bilkul bhi nahe karaingay :D hehe

    BitterTruth: Yo! Lol, do I sound like a dealer? I didn’t point to any shop in Karachi so there is no selfishness LOL. Oh btw, I wish I were a dealer! I’d be rich! hehe

    I tried to stay unbiased in my post regarding the generators. I just wanted to write the information that I had not my opinion. I am buying a chinese generator because, I can’t afford expensive ones. Also the guy who IS the dealer *wink* told me that he would give me the generator for 16,500 IF, I give him my current generator, sooo there you go… but like I said, if you can buy a branded generator, that would be the best!!

    To indirectly do is to develop small cities all over Pakistan especially Sindh which has no city except Karachi, instead of making gigantic cities even larger

    You are right! While you are at it (building small cities), you can impose a ban on people migrating over here. Hint, China did the same with Hong Kong and hong kong is not screwed up like Karachi ;)

    What you are suggesting in 21K, one can get the equipment including refrigerator is rather suspicious

    No, you are not getting a generator with a refrigerator. You are getting one that can run a refrigerator (i’m sorry if I said that in my post, like I said, I am really sleepy!)

    Running a refrigerator when using GAS can be easily done BUT, you will have to switch off a few lights. If you are running it on Petrol then youc an run the refrigerator on full load ;)

    are you sure about the number of devices? if yes how?

    Am I sure about the number of devices. Well, I am NOT but then again, I am lol!! I know that doesn’t make sense but I do know that running a refrigerator is not a big deal. My tiny generator could run it, why can’t the biggers one do that?]

    I am attaching HONDA LEAFLET that my wife gave me. Please DOWNLOAD IT HERE. She has an ABN AMRO credit card. I could go for HONDA but I can’t afford to buy this and then run it on PETROL PLUS, the cheapest honda generator is costing me Rs. 23,100! Can’t afford that! PLUS, it produces lesser energy, I believe 1.3KV, while the one that I am getting is more than that (don’t remember the exact KV figure) and it will run on GAS :D

    also if someone runs it on suigas how much is the cost? and the cost of conversion to gas?
    any risks?

    I think, it will cost around Rs.5 – Rs.12 per hour. Depending on your power load.


  25. HASSAN' (unregistered) on May 18th, 2007 @ 10:50 pm

    I read this news in today’s JUNG.I am working on solar power project as my Final Year Project for electronics engr. I wish i could complete this by this June so can use it in my home also.


  26. Concerned (unregistered) on May 18th, 2007 @ 11:08 pm

    @Hassan,

    How about mass producing it? If you can make a decent estimate of costs and efficiency, I might be able to get you some investors.

    @Zeshan

    Thanks for the info.


  27. Cyrum (unregistered) on May 18th, 2007 @ 11:11 pm

    Solar / Wind / BIO

    whatever is source we need storage batteries to manage the continous supply.

    With the hassle of being up in middle of night to shut down generator weather silent or noisy is it self a cumbersome job.

    SO THEN ???? UPS is ultimate, have a peaceful sleep at night, LEAST


  28. d0ct0r (unregistered) on May 18th, 2007 @ 11:12 pm

    @HASSAN’ good! then you can setup a company and start selling it like hotcakes and be rich in no time! :P


  29. d0ct0r (unregistered) on May 18th, 2007 @ 11:35 pm

    @axiomatic “We are providing windmills of 1KW to 3 KW locxally manufactured and having a life of 20 years plus.”

    do u have a website? contact details?


  30. Petarian_88 (unregistered) on May 19th, 2007 @ 12:00 am

    Zeeshan:

    On 4.5 KV Genset u can also run a light A/C + fan.

    i got a 5.5 KV Honda genset a few years back and i tried and ran a 1.5 ton normal a/c, 2 -3 fans, 2-3 energy savers…etc


  31. Petarian_88 (unregistered) on May 19th, 2007 @ 12:02 am

    Zeeshan:

    On 4.5 KV Genset u can also run a light A/C + fan.

    i got a 5.5 KV Honda genset a few years back and i tried and ran a 1.5 ton normal a/c, 2 -3 fans, 2-3 energy savers…etc

    by the way if anyone wants a used 5.5KV Honda genset (5 year old, not much used) then let meknow. we now have ups and they run easily for 4 hour plus!


  32. zainub (unregistered) on May 19th, 2007 @ 12:17 am

    May be we should start some fund or something, to gather resources to invest in a solar panel. May be if some of us Karachi citizens can actually show these guys at KESC how to make more electricity our selves, they feel a bit more sharm then they do now.


  33. Petarian_88 (unregistered) on May 19th, 2007 @ 12:23 am

    5 more years:

    in the above article the KESC CEO said that last year the electricity demand increased by 9% and it will take 5 years to bridge this gap!!

    Well, can anyone tell the learned ex-general CEO of KESC what about the increase in the next 4 years (which is exp to be at least 9-10% yearly)!!

    in the next 5 years the gap would not remain 9% but would be 9×5=45% of the current power production capacity of 3000 MW i.e almost 1350 MW!!!

    So in the next 5 years they plan to increase the capacity to 9% of around current almost 3000 MW i.e 270 MW.

    So we know what to expect from KESC in the next few decades. If they do not increase the production capacity to around 4500 – 5000 MW in the next 2 years then the duration of load shedding would increase to 8 – 10 hours daily.

    Acc to a report from India there is an acute power shortage and the rural areas are facing a power cut of 18 hours per day and the industrial units are getting power for half a day or so….etc

    so it is very much possible that the same will happen here!


  34. Petarian_88 (unregistered) on May 19th, 2007 @ 12:29 am

    one correction:

    3000 MW is the demand in Karachi.

    kesc production is less the 1500 MW and i think the IPP’a produce around 300 MW or less!

    the rest is imported from WAPDA!


  35. Raheel (unregistered) on May 19th, 2007 @ 1:57 am

    ..and Pakistan is not only karachi, lahore and islamabad. Go in interior sindh, unke paas toh electricity naam ki cheez hi nahi hai.


  36. Petarian_88 (unregistered) on May 19th, 2007 @ 2:40 am

    i heard some politician from karachi say on TV that WAPDA should cut supplies to rural area so that karachi does not suffer!:)


  37. Red_Munk!! (unregistered) on May 19th, 2007 @ 3:14 am

    axiomatic: FYI. The gov has just issued wind farming licences. No other help has been provided to the licencees.

    No land, no infrastructure & most importantly no PPA (power purchase agreement).

    Its just dust in the common persons eye saying “Oh look, we have issued so many licences”. That was back in 2003-04. A lot of companies are ready to invest hundreds of millions of $’s in this instable & insecure country, even then our administrators dont want to work for it. Sad.

    Btw the 1-3kw machines that you’re providing, what are you asking for it?(cost).
    Are you going to install it as well?
    What kind of after sales services will you provide & most improtantly, how do you plan to convince a potential customer that your services are the best alternate? (It is after all untested in our market).

    Thnx.

    Its gross mismanagement like every other thing in our country :{.
    In 60 years the demand has continued to shoot skywards & all the profits made by WAPDA have been pocketed, nothing invested back into the infrastructure.

    Instead of painting grim pictures, asking everyone to make even more sacrifices (Apparently getting killed is not sacrifice enuff),
    the “enlightened” persons should invest finally make some investment in the infrastructure.

    As it is they keep bragging, every chance they get, as to how much money they have “made” over the years.

    —-
    (Sorry if i sound rude, stupid kesc has shedded load 5 times today @ a min of 2 hrs everytime. Freaking annoying :@).


  38. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on May 19th, 2007 @ 11:24 am

    Atleast these guys are happy :-)

    tinyurl.com/yuwmrc


  39. Yousuf (unregistered) on May 19th, 2007 @ 1:21 pm

    There is a quicker fix. If someone can find a way to have loadshedding in gov house, chief minister house and core commanders house. When our RULERS spend one night without electircty, then we will have this problem solved lot quicker.


  40. HASSAN' (unregistered) on May 20th, 2007 @ 4:53 am

    @Concerned

    well to run ur whole house……….it will cost u much more than ur house’s cost………but if u do it once u dont have to pay for 20 years….YEAH 20 YEARS.

    @d0ct0r

    Well its not an easy task coz running a company in Pakistan is not an easy task and also in starting u need at least a KHOKHA for the advertisements/marketing.


  41. Concerned (unregistered) on May 20th, 2007 @ 8:48 am

    @Zeshan

    The gas generator tht iu said was available for abt 20k, can u give me the phone number and name of the guy u have been speaking to, it sounds like a good deal.

    @hasan,

    I never said we run the whole house, I meant a small standby thing for when the bijli goes out. As for the khoka bit, if the project is good enough tht can be arranged.


  42. Petarian_88 (unregistered) on May 20th, 2007 @ 11:52 am

    Concerned:

    just to add, pls note that the gas generator won’t run on the normal gas supplied to your house.

    ythere is a device that has to added to increase the gas pressure to the required level.

    you have to get the approval from the gas company with additional charge and ususally they don’t allow it in residential areas. i forgot what the device is called.

    i got a Honda genset a few years ago with the gas kit and found this out later.

    on normal gas pressure it runs for approx 30 – 40 seconds only and then stops:))


  43. Concerned (unregistered) on May 20th, 2007 @ 11:39 pm

    Thanks Petarian sounds like a very important peace of information.


  44. HASSAN' (unregistered) on May 21st, 2007 @ 2:05 am

    @ Concerned

    well i have calculations and if u want i can post it here to run ur house appliances for atleast 3-4 continous hours. Also mention whether everything should be new or second hand.


  45. Petarian_88 (unregistered) on May 21st, 2007 @ 12:15 pm

    Concerned:

    you are most welcome.

    when i bought the genset with the gas conversion kit, which costs around 5 -6 K more, i was really excited when i got home and tried it on gas. but the excitement did not last for long:))

    one other piont. there are opitions of getting a genset which starts automatically when the power goes out.

    the salesman told me that if you have A/C in your house and genset starts , as the power goes out, it would not be able to take the load and would switch off so i should take the normal genset which has to be manually started and switch off the A/C …etc before doing that.

    well, after i got home, i realised that the genset could have been connected to one phase and the a/c on a different phase and that would have solved the problem, as it is such a pain to get up at night and start the genset and then wait till the power comes and then stop it and switch on the normal KESC supply:)) otherwise it would run till the petrol runs out and u know how exp the petrol is.

    by the way in my exp. if you don’t not plan to use an a/c then a UPS is the cheapest option, it runs far 4 -5 hours ans u do not have to get up and start/stops it.

    we have installed a UPS now and the genset has hardly been used since mid last year and it has saved a couple of thoused rupee worth of petrol and sleepless nights :))



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