Strike Call?
The Lal Masjid issue is nearly at an end after over 16 hours of aggressive fighting. The 8 day long standoff between security officials and entered a critical stage resulting in an offensive move into the besieged mosque and Madressa at 4 am in the night.
The issue and its impacts were very well covered at the Islamabad Metroblogs over the last week. Kudos to the team there.
Today, I saw traffic was lighter than normal at many locations with many people fearing local rioting etc, however so far there have been no indications of that.
After the confirmation of the death of the Niab-Khateeb of Lal Masjid, Ghazi Abdul Rasheed, the MMA has called or a 3-day mourning period over the action and the operation. The residents of Karachi know well that when a political party calls for mourning, its actually a strike.
Security has been beefed up in Karachi as well, and lets hope that there is no violence here. There will, however, be some protests after Friday prayers.
Be safe
HAHAHAHAAAAAA OUR POLITICIANS ARE SUCH JOKERS :D WE’RE GUNNA MOURNNNNNNNNNN BECAUSE WE LOST AN IDIOT MULLAH HAHAHAHA
UFF I THINK I’M GUNNA DIE HAHAHAHAAAAAAA
Correct me if i am wrong.. they are mourning the death of the person who participated in holding Lal Masjid hostage?
How did this person get killed?
What exactly are we mourning?
this is another example of political parties trying to use a situation to their advantage.
and mourn, mourn for what, the people in the school were give ample time and oportunity to leave and they chose not to do, instead they wanted to become matyrs, then there you have it, it shouldnt be a mourning, it should be a celeberation because they got what they wanted.
I am sick of all this.
M=Muslim
M=Mullahs
A=Azaab!!!
not sure why army gave them so much time? months or may be year(s)? i think this lal masjid episode should have been nipped in the bud. now this soap opera will be broadcasted all over the world bringing more humiliation to the muslims. i am not big on criticising musharraf but I simply can’t figure this one out..
Well said everyone.
@SALMAN A: I think they negotiated for so long with the Lal Masjid occupants solely because of Humanitarian reasons.
What the government should do is ban any kind of protest, mourning period or strike due to this issue. This would send the right message across to the international media and also to our own people.
@arifA.. think before u leap
Altaf bhai will get angry if u are goin to ban all the protests
RIGHT MESSAGE has already been sent that we can do any thing to keep our govt. intact , whethere its 12th may or Lal Masjid.
FYI, they didnt spend long time in negotiating instead they were making ground for attack.
WE havent got unbiased news yet. All reporting has been done by army uptill now. When reporters get inside, they might find nothing to report for except a Masjid has been shaheed in ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN by PAKISTAN ARMY.. duh!
I would say just kill entire top order of MMA….they are no different than lal masjid evils….kill them all.
What a joke! If someone wants to mourn, they can do so at home and leave the rest of Karachi in peace. No need for a 3-day mourning period let alone a damn strike!
This is my mourning
******Good riddance*******
YEEEEEEEHHHHAAAA! HE IS GONE! :D
This call of 3-day mourning CLEARLY tells you that these MMA mullas are no different or may be even worse! They’ll do anything and support anyone whether he deserved it or not. They’ll oppose anything even if it’s right as long as it doesn’t work for them. Allah barbad karay in mullaon ko!
NED: I’ll second you on that one buddy! Lets go kill those mullas too!
Isnt that great to live in a peace?
WHATS WRONG WITH THESE MULLAHS ? !!!
I dont get it
MMA is a bunch of losers who would do anything and use everything to gain momentum for their cause.
I am glad that this talibanization of our country has stopped, this was a systematic and planned conspiracy to bring taliban style govt to pakistan.
I think the mullahs in the lal masjid be considered taritors for breaking the constitution by trying to run a parallel government in OUR CAPITAL.
Govt MUST check all these Residential Madressah’s , If one lal masjid can have that big of a ammunition then I bet all must be hiding in these Madressah’s? Where These Mullah’s are taking Islam? Why there was so much Fire power? DID these kids Knew that they will be trained to use fire power?
Thanks Inspirex, for the mention, on behalf of the entire IMB team.
When MQM milita can perform drama on death of their so called “KARKUN” then MMA or anyone else could do same. Don’t forget most of you drawing room kids were mournng for Altaf’s militants.
According to Absar Alam, the death govt gifted to Ghazi is turning sympathis towards him because unlike his brother, he stayed in premisis and died.
Khass Kum – Jahan Pak.
Note to burgers: Stick to your TooTi phooTi English and donn’t bother with understanding the above phrase.
Balma: If they are burgers, what are you? A paratha?
haha Adnan, very wise observation, actually I hate MQM and what they do to karachi, MQM claims to be representative of Karachi, absolute bullshit, this mullah in islamabad also claims to be representative of pakistani people, also bull shit!
By his death he might gather some sympathy for his cause, but this is not the right way. pakistani people can only be fooled for long enough b4 they realize it.
God bless pakistan.
@ Mr Salman A
being a devils advocate I think Musharaf is walking on a thin rope. He has to please everyone
America, MQM, MMA, his Army etc.,etc.,
I would nt put me in his shoes.
Electric said, “pakistani people can only be fooled for long enough b4 they realize it”.
How many more decades do you want or wish or hope to pass Electric before the realization hit us on the face?
Ladies and Gentlemen!!
Lemme introduce!
Mr BALMA AA!!
Its BURGER TIME!! :)
@balma, you are funny.. i have a q for you though, if you have a moment. can you name the poet and explain the meaning of this Urdu sher:
Magas Ko Baagh Mein Jaane Na Dena
Ke Nahaq Khoon Parwane Ka Hoga
@ShahidnUSA:
i can’t put myself in mush’s shoes ‘cos i have no lust for power. i just want to become a billionaire and that’s it.. hehehehe..
@IUnknown: Altaf Hussain can GTH!!!!! and so can those who follow leaders who have an IQ level between a fire hydrant and a street light.
I still don’t get it? What do they want to mourn anyways?
Mosques are not places to store or use arms in but if it has been inhabited/held hostage by a group of people who have clearly abused this holy place and used it for their own motives, then the government has every right to use whatever methods available to get these insurgents/terrorists etc out of there.
These mullahs used arms which is illegal, how else was the army supposed to get back a mosque if not by using arms against those who clearly didn’t hesitate to use it against the authority from a holy place?
By the way, a beard and praying 5 times a day doesn’t make a person extremely religious. Specially if your beliefs are totally distorted and screwed up.
PAKISTAN NEEDS A REVAMP TIME BUSH SENT HIS B52 BOMBERS AND FORCES IN, SORT THE PAKIS OUT ONCE AND FOR ALL
Salman A.,
No, I don’t know who the poet is. Also, what is the first word? Maghaz as in brain? or Majaaz or what ?
Also, I am not capable of doing justice with Urdu poetry if I had to translate it. Meaning, my writing skills in English are not that great, as it shows!
And, I like your thinking… go for the billions!
its time to bulldoze all madrassas in KHI, and start trains for the students that is destined for north
Do these politicians realize how much LOSS these strikes cause to the ECONOMY of the country before they open their mouth and call for STRIKES?
There are people in baluchistan suffering with flood and in the whole country there is illiteracy, poverty and childrens dont have shoes to wear.
How selfish and stupid is that ????
Loss per day for Karachi is $910 MILLION USD.
Jo hua so hua!
Dua hai kai jo naik log rehgai hain ginti kai woh hamaray muashray ki burayon ko rokhain (AMEEN)
our countrymen are being fooled, we are very emotional people and whenever something like this happens, we get all hyped up, and play into the hands of these people calling for strikes. this has got to stop now.
@electric: your last comment is the only sane comment here.
s used arms which is illegal
Arifa,how do you define illegal arms? and By the way, it was SAME army who had supplied emos to these militants during USSR/USA war when these militants used to be called “Mujahideen” and Shaikh Rasheed used to run a training camp.
One admit or not but death of ghazi has helped to remove the embarassment which caused due to burqa escape of his brother[heard on TV]. Ghazi’s rooh would be saying THANKS to mr.Mush. :-)
@rockOn, Ameen!
qazi sahab ka bus chalay tu apna paida hona par bhe 3 roza sog ka ilan kartay.
@ Electric
Awesome comment. If only people on the street (rioting if any) realises that
excuse my spelling its “realize” :)
I dont know about MMA or political moulvis …. but personally I am mourning for lose of life (my country men / my army men) … I am feeling the same as I did on 12 May … It is unfortunate indeed.
I dont know about MMA or political moulvis …. but personally I am mourning for lose of life (my country men / my army men) … I am feeling the same as I did on 12 May … It is unfortunate indeed.
The whole situation was just a political gimik, by the government to get support back for Musharraf and invoke the MAddrasaas !
Kudos to the Karachites no violent reaction errupted here!
Every one has right to express his feeling on the issue ! but no one has right to disrupt any one else’s life!!
As for the MMA!! where were these guys when the whole issue was started???? not even on of these so called Mullahs commented on the issue until the fighting errupted ! !!! Damn Mullahs!!! !
So far I am surprised that Qazi sahab hiumself hasn’t given his trade mark statement and call for strike.
“Yeh hoa?? …………………… Kal Karachi main hartal kee call kertay hain ”
And @ Adnan!
Well if the MQM says they are the representatives of the Karachites they are right !! If they were wrong then they wouldnt have been elected in this majority number in the first place!
@ Hasan Zuberi: Very well-said.
So now we’re going to mourn terrorists? That’s a new one!
I suppose we ALL deserve the scorn of the World, that’s heaped upon us by the World.
IMRAN
WHAT MAKES YOU SAY THAT THE INDIVIDUAL SIN THAT MASJID WERE TERRORISTS YOU MOTHER FUCKER
IMRAN
WHAT MAKES YOU SAY THAT THE INDIVIDUAL SIN THAT MASJID WERE TERRORISTS YOU MOTHER FUCKER
IMRAN
WHAT MAKES YOU SAY THAT THE INDIVIDUAL SIN THAT MASJID WERE TERRORISTS YOU MOTHER FUCKER
tempers are running high… mass graves are being dug in islamabad as well speak and tonight army might dump almost 285 people that were murdered by them
*as we speak*
Iraqi dictator Saddam hussain was accused of massacre and mass graves in Iraq, here we have our very own Pakistani dictator carrying out massacres in karachi and islamabad and digging mass graves..
how do you reason with people who dont believe in rational thought? Musharaf gave everybody enough time to evacuate, they didnt. the whole situation was becoming ridiculous for him. He had to do something, consider his options?
what do you think musharaf should have done?
1 leave them alone and hope this incident will disppear by it self?
2 try to talk to them, to negotiate some kind of an agreement? which he did
3 try to convince them to give up arms and stop shooting,kidnapping our army jawans! which he did
4 kill them all if 2 – 3 fails
I dont think he had much choice in this matter, if he was dealing with some other people who would listen to reason then it was different, how can you convince people who dont listen to reason and who donthave any regard for their life and the life if people (women,children) around them.
Regarding Lal Masjid Combat, how do you feel, please feel free to post your opinion.
Thanks.
First of all big shame to all those who think that lal masjid people were extremists. This is a big conspiracy against muslims to stop sending their young ones to madrasas.
General Pervaiz Musharraf has a face of evil, and spirit of a devil, he has been assigned the project to kill and eliminate all the innocent and prominent islamic personalities from Pakistan. This s-o-b is wiping out everyone who challenges his power. He thinks he is God, but this by-product of west will soon reach to his own end, when the west finally pulls off the oxygen mask of him.
Shame on 17 million of Pakistanis who silently watched the lal masjid drama out of fear of their own lifes and didnt do anything . The operation silence must have been named because everyone was so silenttttttt.
Shame on Pakistani Army too that they are killing fellow Pakistanis who are actually Muslim brothers and sisters in such disgusting manner. Those inside mosque were as much threatened and obviously as a defensive measure had to stop those drunkard army elephants against the mosque demolition.
All those so-called liberals who taking side of Government will one day be asked by Allah that why they became such silent spectators to this crime to humanity.
Musharraf- s-o-b including all his agents should be tried in international court of justice for such mass genocide of thousand of civilians.
Lal masjid was destroyed by bullets on America’s orders and Musharraf their pet dog carried out whole operation with such massive force that bodies were left-out beyond identification.
What was the crime of lal masjid people, why Government was so impatient to destroy the mosque.
The biggest extremists are Musharraf and 17 million of population of so-called Islamic republic of Pakistan. Watch out guys curse of Allah is coming, first it was earth quake then it was flood and who knows whats next….
MMA is again try to use the issues of Lal Masjid and use the dead Pakistanis for their own good, shame on these politicians. What happen at Lal masjid leaves us a very important question that who these militants gather so much of the arms and what is the source of their training and financial resources. Salute ot Pkaistan Army and the Officers and Jawans who laid their life for the sake of Pakistan. May Allah give Mushraf long live to deal with these kind of extermist and corrupt politicians of MMA.
MMA is again try to use the issues of Lal Masjid and use the dead Pakistanis for their own good, shame on these politicians. What happen at Lal masjid leaves us a very important question that who these militants gather so much of the arms and what is the source of their training and financial resources. Salute ot Pkaistan Army and the Officers and Jawans who laid their life for the sake of Pakistan. May Allah give Mushraf long life to deal with these kind of extermist and corrupt politicians of MMA.
this is 2nd massacre commited by the Dictator in almost 2 months, first it was 12th May’s massacre in Karachi in which almost 50 people were murdered by Musharraf’s team mates from MQM, while after almost 2 months now(today was 12th july) another massacre staged by the dictator in which conflicting death toll figure are emerging… DG ISPR saying 75 civilian and 11 Military deaths(total = 86) , DC Islamabad 102 Civilian and 11 Military deaths, while independent media saying that almost 285+ people died in this standoff..
Doctor with all my respect to you, For massacre of Karachi, Chief Justice, PPP and MMA are equally resposbile. Using a administrative issue in a political way can only be either done by MMA or PPP. Ok lets for argument purposes, MQM had agenda to do all what happend, then our chief justice is so dump headed and full of ego that he can not by him self call out the meeting in karachi. Govt. of sid offered him safe passage through helicoptor but he refused (or been ask to refuse by PPP lawyer) there is huge conflict of interest in using a lawyer who is an ex-plitician and with inetrest going to PPP. But who is going to explain this to our dump headed cheif. All I am saying to avoid the conflict he should cancell the address to sind bar but instead he chose to stand out and participated in the killings whcih was equally done by PPP & MMA using their PFS & Jamat student wing (I borned and live in karachi and know them very well. On the other front, I agree with Kami that the other Ghazi also achived his objective of parting with Shatan and equally responsible for the killings as he and his companion were using arm again inocent people and army equally. And also escaping under burqa!!! is this what Islam teaches us? is this the teaching of our beloved Prophet (Peace be upon him) teaches us? attitude of MMA mulana’s are of a Hippocrates or munafiqen and soon ALLAH will decide for them, time is coming for them.
May ALLAH give strenght to Mushraf to stand againt these evils.
Imtiaz and others , the problem with you guys is that you are brain washed and you are in a state of complete illusion and total denial of ground realities.
Lal masjid incident is a western conspiracy so that muslims should stop sending their kids to madrassas.
I dont think lal masjid people were extremists, if they were extremists why didnt they kill any single foreigner- not even 1. It is not difficult to kidnap few and assassinate them. Again how many madrasa people in Pakistan in entire history have killed any westerner- “NONE”. On the other hand the state is initiating an action against madrasas to please their bosses in USA etc. How many molvis were martyred so far- tons of molvis in this so called islamic country are loosing their precious lifes on daily basis.
Why Musharraf SOB was so impatient to kill many innocent people who infact took REFUGE in a holy place. Musharraf wanted a LIFELINE from his un-holy bosses so that he can continue to serve their evil purposes- to disintegrate the civil society.
You shouldnt use a word extremists, these people are “resistance fighters” who are trying to save foundation of Islam in Pakistan. Westernisation is a poison pill that every Pakistani including you is taking every day without thinking that one day it will just kill you and your generations.
Musharraf from very first day wanted to raid the mosque, he is an American agent and serving their interests to wipe out word islam from our society.
I mean the way his foces bombarded the whole mosque, its just brutal and painful to see 1000s of innocent people loosing lifes on orders of just one person- Musharraf.
He should be tried in court of law for extra judicial killings and sentenced to death so that finally some justice can be served.
Wake up or you die in complete ignorance.
@Imtiaz its ironic that you continue to justify MQM’s and Musharraf’s involvement in 12th may massacre , CJ visited many other cities all around pakistan and addressed the bars and all the political parties minus MQM welcomed him and not a single person died, but here in karachi only addition was MQM and here almost 50 person died.. and media showed everything.. so blamming 12th may’s massacre on others simply isn’t logical.. nobody is going to believe illogical explanations..
@Mansoor and others who are supporting his views:
Musharraf did what needed to be done for the Sake of Islam and Pakistan. lal masjid incident was not a western conspiracy rather it was Jahil views of these Mullahs. Taking law in your hand, kidnapping people from thier houses, snatching arms from your own country’s forces, Illigal occupation of land, kidnapping foriegners and forcing them to wear Burka,,,,What kind of Islam they were practicing???Give me a single example from the life of our prophet where he did or preach anything like this???Do you think that is how he preached Islam?? What about Sabar and husnai ikhlaq which was the main weapons of our Propher (PBUH)???Musharaf tried his best to avoid this but lal masjid people asked for it. He even brought IMAM-e Kaba but they did not listen to him. What do you want??TAlibaan in pakistan so they can beat our sisters and mothers with sticks if they are not wearing Burka?? so they can close all schools for girls and take the driving licenses from them???or force everybody to have a beard???
All these stupid mullahs claim to hate West and western things and burn KFC,Mac, pizza hut and ask us to boycott Coke, but they all use western technologies, what an irony??? The Danm lal masjid imam and all of mullahs like him using Cell phones, Internet, Computers, Cars do they think all these things are invented and made in Muslim countries and by Muslims??? Why the hell they use them if they hate everything from West…
Go check the houses of all these so called Mullahs from JI and JUI and others, they all living luxury lives when people on the street sleeping with empty stomach..DO they ever think about the preaching of out be loved prophet about sharing food with the neighbour and making sure they dont go to bed hungry????How many kids on the streets of Karachi sleep hungry, but all these mullahs move around in thier SUVs protesting against west dont have time to come out thier AC cars to feed them….?????
Come on guys this is not the time to argue with each other, its the time to work togather against these so called Mullahs..
Mushraff is not against Islam, nobody who calls himself Muslim can’t be against Islam, but we are against those who are using Islam to fill thier pockets…enough said
Imran I agree with you 100%
one of the commentator on DR Shahid’s prog commented that she is a mqm supporter and was shocked to see her party’s quaid Altaf bai congratulating military
over the successful army operation they conducted.. she says that she lost her relative in army operation conducted by Naseer Ullah Baber and extra judicial killing done by him, and how could MQM’s chief support such a army action..
my reply to the poor lady would be that Altaf bai just sheds corcodile’s tears and even when operation was being conducted in dera bugti baluchistan, he half heartedly opposed it and said that his party will part from govt and resign from cabinet, but as expected nothing happened it was just a tactic to blackmail govt and get a better package.. on the other hand Banazir Bhutto says that operation in karachi was her biggest achievement in restoring law and order in the city where bhatakhori ,assassination,kidnapping and other street crimes were quite common and murderer ruled the streets… and if she comes to power i expect that first thing she’ll do will be avenging 12th may’s massacre … real culprit grand terrorist Altaf bai and his thugs are sitting safely in london and innocent karachiites will suffer…
As usual Doctor is continuing his Anti MQM propoganda. Dude I dont think you lived through the operation, it was a sad part of MQMs history and to riddicule AB over tht is stupid, get your facts straight before you speak ( or type).
As for BB you have to be really naive to believe she can do tht, she will form a govt with MQM for sure and there will be no such avenging, already most ppl have forgotten it. NS, IK and MMA are only discussing it for their own political gaains, do u think they actually give a shit abt khi.
@Concerned BB forming a govt with MQM .. even after 12th may massacre… one hilarious comment you’ve made there..!
just pray that Mush would be around to save MQM’s neck like he did after 12th may’s massacre..
Imran and Imtiaz, looks like you guys just been returned from USA, completely brain washed. You are blind-folded.
First of all its difficult to make you guys understand the whole situation, you viewing facts from a distorted angle and your judgment is totally biased.
Musharraf S-o-B took law in his own hands when he removed the Chief Justice who was proving hindrance to prolong his un-authorised rule. Our unfortunate country is the prime example where killing innocent people is very common who voice their opposition. Dont forget he clinched onto power abusing our constitution.
Where on earth you can have an Army dictator who happens to be a President too. Musharraf is running the country of 17 million people illegaly .
America is simply using Musharraf’s very weak position to demand more and more of him so that before they kick him out they can fulfill their plans to disintegrate Pakistan completely. Musharraf is fast becoming another Hamid Karzai locked in his own Presidental Palace and cant move an inch without a bullet of bomb proof hard gear. Can he beat his own death , this remains to be seen.
He drinks whiskey openly in social parties, he and his wife play with their pet dogs etc etc just to prove to their “Masters” that they are liberal muslims.
I salute Abdul Rasheed Ghazi and his family for taking stand against the mighty of our coward Army personnel who out of fear of their own lifes used heavy ammunition to turn the whole mosque to a pile of rubble.
Shame on those who are taking side of our criminal minded Army. Army lost Bangladesh as we all know, and now they are putting the whole country onto the deadly stake. USA wants to dis-integrate Pakistan and they are playing with a fool like Musharraf.
We all demand that Musharraf should be tried in an open court for killing thousands of innocent people including women and children, and he should be sentenced to death, because he has got blood on his hands.
@Mansoor
Sorry bro dont agree with you. What happened was good. The ideology of Mr Ghazi was good but the method was flawed. He openly broke the law and then said he did nothing wrong. He challenged the govt on many occasions which was really stupid.
They killed rangers on the first day only because they were setting up a post nearby. uptill tht point there had been no open hostility towards lal masjid. but killing two rangers and then openly attaching them in fornt of tv cameras is a bit much.
And later it turned into a hostage situation. If you look at all hostage situations around the world, they should never be negotiated with, because it gives a bad impression which can lead to deteriration of society in general by the way of anarchy.
So bottom line it had to be done and I support our boy fully on this.
* The ideology of Mr Ghazi was good but the method was flawed.
******* I beg to differ. His ideology was as bad as his kartoots. First of all, people like should ahve ralized that not everyone agrees with his ideology. Not everyone agreed with his ideology that music is bad.
Secondly, no one can justify his ghundagardi in the city.