Exhibitions Galore at Expo Centre

A range of IT and Technology exhibitions are going to get kick started from tomorrow at the Expo Centre, most prominently the ITCN Asia Exhibition 2007, which will continue until the 11th. For those not aware, ITCN Asia is the biggest annual IT and Telecom show in South Asia. Their events bring together all the biggest market players in Asia’s IT industry and all their latest brands of technology, proving an excellent platform for decision makers, investors, managers and various other stakeholders in the Industry to explore their collective markets.

This year’s event will also feature a special International Telecom Conference on the first day of the exhibition where the main theme will be “Growth Prospects in Telecom Industry of Pakistan”. Keynote speakers from across the industry are expected to participate in this event. Also in conjunction with ITCN Asia is the PSEB CEO Forum 2007 exhibition, which will start on the 10th. The theme of this event is “Corporate Success in the Knowledge Economy”. Dr. Tony Murphy, Vice President of Gartner Consulting will be the moderator of the CEO Forum.

Last but not the least, the 3-day Consumer Electronics Asia Exhibition 2007 will also be starting from tomorrow at the same venue. Like all the other events, this exhibition will also serve to provide investors with a definite outlook of the regional consumer electronics industry and an opportunity to meet with their prospective counterparts and businessmen. For comprehensive details of all of the above events check out the ITCN Asia and Consumer Electronics Asia‘s official websites.

35 Comments so far

  1. KhiTorPit (unregistered) on August 8th, 2007 @ 8:26 am

    I don’t know what the heck PSEB is doing to export the software abroad. In Pakistan we have so many highly skilled professionals in IT but I don’t know what is the main reason that we are not getting enough offshore projects.
    Anybody knows the exact reason ?
    ITCN might be biggest exhibition in Asia but are we getting any benefits by arranging these kinds of exhibition ?
    Why don’t western countries outsource their projects in Pakistan like the way they do in India ?


  2. Syed Johny (unregistered) on August 8th, 2007 @ 11:08 am

    contrary to the popular belief there is a huge shortage of skilled IT labor in Pakistan , specially in software development,
    Recall the job exhibition by Pasha! 90% of the companies were asking for software developers!

    Pakistan needs quality software developers !!!


  3. IUnknown (unregistered) on August 8th, 2007 @ 11:49 am

    we are getting software projects , since india has put 33% tax (or 35%).

    Khi market requires a lot of SEs, but there are not many left, as most of tthem are working in usa and uk

    We outselves are looking for some good and quality ppl as well.

    If u have 3+ yrs of exp on .NEt , reply me back against this comment.

    Companies require SE but they dont pay good and/or dont pay on time. Thats y ppl run away from them.


  4. Kashif (unregistered) on August 8th, 2007 @ 12:35 pm

    I am looking for good php people, anyone knows anyone, drop me a line :)

    ITCN has transformed into a marketing event than an exchange place to get projects. Last year there was lot of funfair with music and cheering going around.


  5. Jamal Shamsi (unregistered) on August 8th, 2007 @ 3:33 pm

    Skilled Labor Export – or call it BRAIN Drain –

    Many Software houses are keen to hire local skill but available skill is not willing to JOIN locally instead they all choose to Leave country.

    Leftovers are well setteeeeeled and does not need a BOSS, they are freelancers.

    The Founder of INTERNET ONLINE SERVICES in Pakistan Naseer Khan Ghazi is polishing and exploring them all over the country.


  6. Syed Faraz Mahmood (unregistered) on August 8th, 2007 @ 4:55 pm

    I think the problem of the software industry in pakistan is that most software houses are owned by “Seth” (Business) minded people, who usually think that if you have a project that can be completed in x days with 1 developer ,adding y developer will reduce the time to x/y days :). furthermore there is also an established understanding that a developer can be replaced by any other developer at any time, no matter how experienced/inexperience or skilled/unskilled the developer in question is.

    The impact of this thinking is that we now have no worth of programmers and we have developed a stereotyped career growth path, SE, SSE,PM (as function of years). It is harder to find a person working as programmer/se with 10 years of experience here in pakistan. life of programmer/se is too short here(usually 3-4 years at max). Not every one is expected to be a good manager, some are good at managing others while some are good at some other skills. Our market forces every SE to opt for same path. This is a major factor contributing to the brain drain in IT industry.

    Furthermore, we ,as a nation, have the habit of following the trends, these days IT is out and telecom is in :), well , those who usually opt in response to a trend, it has been a general observation that they find it a bit difficult to master the skills of their selected field.

    :)


  7. Sameer (unregistered) on August 8th, 2007 @ 6:35 pm

    I think the main reason is huge shortage of skilled IT labor


  8. Balma (unregistered) on August 8th, 2007 @ 8:09 pm

    Here is my take on it:

    Bad perception of Pakistan, mostly deserving.
    When one thinks of Pakistan, one thinks of hijabis everywhere (sign of backwardness), dirty looking guys in unkempt beards, long qameezs, high shalvars, jumping all over at Regal Chowk, burning US flags.
    Danga Fasaad on things like cartoons, ghunda gardi at foreign junk food chains, blowing up of their own resources in response to stupidities of others. Cartoon banao, Pakistani khud apnaa mulk tabah kar dai’n gae. You don’t need fighter jets to destroy Pakistan.

    Perception of corruption. With people like 10% and 20% running around, who would like to do business in PK? During AST Computer’s glorius days, when I suggested to one of their top guys to put a factory in PK and not in China, the guy complained of Zardari. Budnazir bitch kaa daur-e-hukoomat thaa. Obviously, I was a inexperienced at the time and that guy was a ghaag Pakistani. He wasn’t waiting for my stupid suggestion. He had already tried..unsuccessfully.

    Lack of relevant skills. Pakistan is generally considered an uneducated type country. Hijabis and lambee daRhees don’t help either. Besides the perception, the reality is that Pakistan has very few good colleges which prepare good computer science and engineering people. In Karachi, besides NED and may be Dawood, Sir Syed, BCCI’s college, and may be just may be Hamdard, there isn’t much. I wouldn’t touch burgers coming out of Greenwich with a 10 feet pole. Best they can do is market cereals. Galee galee khulay huay jaali schools don’t teach computer engineering or computer science, they produce low level low skilled programs, who are not good in maths, not good in electronics, and don’t understand the philosophy or layers of computer science. What can they program? may be some simple web application, but not detailed software internals. Even then, perception aaRay aataa hae.

    Pakistan has become a consumer country. Pakistan is extremely inbred (cousins marriages) and as a result a non-creative society. Millions of people waste their time in rote memorizing Quran, a useless endavour. Jahil two aana mullahs tell people that their goal in life is to pray to Allah (not khudaa any more), and imply that let other people invent and make things. Most of the things in Pakistan are labeled unIslamic. Like music is unislamic, so forget about anyone thinking of jpeg and mpeg programming or algorithms to compress such files. TV is unIslamic, so forget about anyone thinking of speeding up Video on Demand or some other gunah-e-kabirah like that.
    No maths, no physics. Mullahs have taken over the brains in Pakistan. With zero math PHD production, and zero Physics PHD production, Microsoft vaalo’n ko kuttay nay kaaTaa hae key Pakistan may R&D shroo karai’n gae?
    All Microsoft will do is teach how to become system administrators! fuck Physics, and fuck Maths. Pakistan does not even produce Ph.D.s in Urdu or Pashto. The nation has no interest in higher education. All are waiting for the day when whole world will be converted to Islam.

    Having said all this, there are some good companies in Pakistan that do get software projects from overseas. And, shaabash hae inn ko, in hee kaa dil gurdah hae jo yeh Pakistan projects laa rahae hai’n. An example is Systems LTD. Other good local company is S-iii (though, no foreign assignments yet, but umeed per dunyaa qaim hae).

    Down with Mullahs, down with uneducated TooTi phooTi angrezi speaking burgers.


  9. KhiTorPit (unregistered) on August 8th, 2007 @ 8:55 pm

    @Balma, What the fuc* are you talking man ??? you seems to be so much frustrated and [edited out, reason: personal attack].

    By reading some of your comments seems like you are not even a muslim.

    I dont want to go into the detail of your bullshit comments as its all crap.

    FYI, there are soo many well educated doctors and engineers here in US and Canada who are doing a wonderful job, they have their education from Pak. and have moved to US bcoz of lack of opportunities or lack of resources and ofcourse less salary.

    I have seen soo many highly skilled professionals in US who are very much religious and practices Islam, many girls wear hijabs over here as well, its just a kind of ppl like you and Mush who are defaming Islam.

    The only problem we have in our country is haramzadi govt, who is never sincere to the ppl, once we will have a good system we will be on right track inshallah.

    @Zainub, why dont you filter out and delete the stupid comments from your post ?


  10. Zainub (unregistered) on August 8th, 2007 @ 9:20 pm

    Khitotpit,

    I’d get marked as oppressor of free speech if I did, the only comments that are subject to moderation/deletion are off topic ones, on-topic comments, even if stupid, annoying and laden with false assertions and stereotyped notions, unfortunately, have to be tolerated, KMB policy. I suggest the remedy I have been using my self against such comments, ignore.


  11. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on August 8th, 2007 @ 9:38 pm

    @KHITOR: Somebody rightly called Balma [edited out, reason: personal attack] so ignore his lame rants. He knows about Microsoft because he used to borrow Rs.25 wali CD of windows from his friend otherwise he thinks that no muslim and Pakistani work at Microsoft.

    Exhibition by CSP(Computer Society of Pakistan) is/was much much better than this so called ITCN. CSP was much better than ITCN. atleast they give proper information about hardware where as people in ITCN asia are “Khabtul Hawas” and always seem in hurry and don’t give proper information. I don’t give ITCN anymore. Just attended 1st two then got bored.


  12. Alam (unregistered) on August 8th, 2007 @ 10:11 pm

    Balma, u r my hero. u talk like an honest man

    Keep up the good work.

    PS: if u have some time, read Dr. Mubarak Ali (if u have not already)


  13. Ahmed (unregistered) on August 8th, 2007 @ 10:45 pm

    I represented my university in the 2nd and 3rd exhibition and I could see how it was turning out to be more of a marketing gimmick although there were some serious projects too that were hosted by students and I remember this software company from isb they were working on an automated traffic signal system which made use of computer vision techniques pretty cool stuff.


  14. Balma (unregistered) on August 9th, 2007 @ 1:06 am

    *Karachi-Toronto-Pittsburg wrote:

    ….why dont you filter out and delete the stupid comments from your post ?

    * Karachi-Toronto-Pittsburg bhayya, US/Canada may baiTh kar iss qism kay anti free speech mashvaray dae rayahe ho?


  15. Balma (unregistered) on August 9th, 2007 @ 1:10 am

    Also, Khitoripit, the question was why foreign firms were not bringing software development projects to PK, and I gave some reasons. The question was not if Pakistan has not produced some good engineers or doctors or accountants.

    [edited out, reason: personal attack]


  16. Balma (unregistered) on August 9th, 2007 @ 1:20 am

    ALAM wrote:

    PS: if u have some time, read Dr. Mubarak Ali (if u have not already)

    ****

    Yes, I read two of his books few years ago. One was titled I guess, “aakhri Mughlia ahed kaa hindustan”, and the other one was called something similar as well.

    Another interesting book about the happenings in Mughal era is ‘Deen-e-Illahi’, written by someone in Lahore, as Karachiites don’t read/write much anymore. Lahore has always been major center of ilm-o-adab. Anyway, that book was an eye openner on how mullahs drove Emperor Akbar such nuts that finally he ended up experimenting with a new religion: Deen-e-Illahi.

    Mullaaiat and Burgeriat are two extremes of Pakistani society. If not brought under control, these two extremes are going to destroy Pakistan.


  17. ALAM (unregistered) on August 9th, 2007 @ 10:44 am

    Dr. Mubarak Ali has written on contemporary issues as well besides Mughal period (on which he did his PhD).

    He is of the view that 2 nations theory is the foundation of muslim fundamentalism. “Tareekh aur aaj ki dunyaa” is one book i am reading nowadays. He introduced the book as “In our society, few intellectuals, social, and political workers are waging a lost war”

    whatever u do here, it won’t change these stupid fundos in KHI.


  18. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on August 9th, 2007 @ 11:38 am

    I wonder whether they still organize CSP exhibition at Regent Plaza? Atleast they were active in late 90s.

    [edited out, reason: off topic]


  19. IUnknown (unregistered) on August 9th, 2007 @ 1:04 pm

    @balma, ur [edited out: reason personal attack].

    Wat darhi and niqab has to do wid skills???!!!


  20. Balma (unregistered) on August 9th, 2007 @ 9:35 pm

    * Responding to ALAM’s comments

    ******* I didn’t know that about Mubarak Ali. Though, I have read his articles here and there.

    I do think creation of Pakistan contributed to increased fundamentalism in the Sub-Continent – both among Muslims and Hindus.

    In fact, Pakistani Muslims got the worst. In the absence of any other significant religious group, they became totally closed minded. While, Indian Muslims have their own problems, they do have exposure to other people. In fact, many years ago an older relative from India was shocked and said what happened to ‘aadaab’ and commented that yeh sub loge arabi lehjay may asalam-o-alaikum kyoon kehnay lagain hai’n Pakistan may. I would be curious to know his response to Zia’s installed ‘allah hafiz’ that is in vogue in Pakistan today.

    I guess more defeats Muslims experience, more religious they will become. Another example is the Muslims in the defunct state of Hyderabad. There have been interesting articles on how Muslims in Hyderabad became very conservative after the fall of Hyderabad in 1948.


  21. Balma (unregistered) on August 9th, 2007 @ 11:53 pm

    *Adnan wrote without knowing what he is writing:

    … why don you two love birds go for a “Blind Date” and discuss your common interest rather on THIS blog?

    ********

    Bhayaa, if we were already love birds why would we go on a blind date? Do you even know what a blind date is?


  22. Zainub (unregistered) on August 10th, 2007 @ 1:00 am

    Hey hey folks calm down…let me remind you that at least on the posts I do, name calling and personal attacks against each other are not allowed, I’ve gone ahead and done some editing. Completely off topic posts have also been dealt with accordingly. Please note that every other thread here is not a forum to discuss your own socio-political and/or religious views, please stick to the topic of the original thread. Hopefully, I wont have to give away any more reminders or do any more moderation. Thank you for the co-operation.


  23. Balma (unregistered) on August 10th, 2007 @ 1:38 am

    I guess one of the main reasons Pakistan can not attract foreign software development projects is bad perception. And that bad perception is about religious fanaticism and bad education and lack of relevant skills (which are both related to increasing fanaticism as well).
    And, therefore I had to put my comments on this subject because I do feel the way I wrote.

    May be KMB editors should stick to talking of nihari or halva poori or some silly restaurant in South Kala Pul; most probably I won’t make any comment… I said most probably guys… there is always a slight chance of me commenting in negative on burgers and newly rich eating nihari at night:-)


  24. KAANA RAJA (unregistered) on August 10th, 2007 @ 8:47 am

    KMB, I love you. I was in a bad mood and you made me laugh as I read all the comments here. I was in a bad mood because my car broke on the highway. I am cheap like most Pakis living abroad. I convert local currency in Pak. Rs before spending it. I had not gone for the much needed car repair which was due for months.

    I went to one the best Tech schools of Pakistan where they trained me to become a technician, mistry or mazdoor in technical terms instead of grooming me to become a tech lead, an engineer, or a scientist.

    After graduating, I got a job without “sifarish”. I was surprised rather shocked since I thought I was not capable enough to get qualified for that job. After a year, I got promoted. I was not sure how and why? 20 years later, I finally owned a petrol pump in a foreign country.

    Yours truly,
    KAANA RAJA


  25. IUnknown (unregistered) on August 10th, 2007 @ 1:27 pm

    pakistan hasnt got the bad perception. IT has got no perception at all. Ppl dont know abt pakistan in international market (as far as software industry is concerned).

    Now, paki developers have started to go up in the industry.

    Religion has nothing to do with the IT industry. Its all the matter of recognition in IT industry. India has started way before us and therefore, they are way ahead. It has been just 5 yrs, since Zia khan (who brought the true IT education in cheap cost) started operation badar, which has trained a lot of persons.

    So, things overall look good.


  26. KhiTorPit (unregistered) on August 10th, 2007 @ 10:19 pm

    @Balma,
    I am not against a free speech but I am against those who gives a wrong perception of our religion.

    To some extent our education ‘SYSTEM’ (not education) is not good in a way that, after completing the higher school we dont have a graduation program in some specific subject, like in US, and if we could have more technical institutes then individuals would have a chance to go in a particular field to acheive their goal. The main reason behind that is the lack of funds allocated to education, and bcoz of lack of resources we dont do much of the research things.
    But all these doesnt means that our education is bad.

    As IUNKNOWN pointed out that religion has to do nothing with IT industry and as far as skill is concerned I think I am sure that we have the right skills and I will try to find out using my resources the question which I have asked earlier “why we dont get enough offshore projects”? Will let you know sooner or later.

    Good work Zainub. I’ll be careful next time, you might have noticed that I haven’t used foul lang. ever and this was the first time.


  27. IUnknown (unregistered) on August 10th, 2007 @ 10:50 pm

    @khitorpit: where do u work? these days, market is realllly high. u can see many new software houses starting here in khi.


  28. KhiTorPit (unregistered) on August 11th, 2007 @ 11:09 pm

    @IUNKnown, I work in US, you know what ? more software houses is a good sign, but we need more offshore business to boost our economy. We have the talent to do it but we are not getting it enough.


  29. IUnknown (unregistered) on August 12th, 2007 @ 2:52 pm

    glad to know that @khitorpit.
    Things are progressing gradually. ab aik month main tu sb sahi nahi ho sakta na.

    Main prob is that our govt. has illiterate ppl in IT. They just keep on boasting more than doing any thing practical.

    None the less, situtation is still good. Comapnies from countries like UK and USA are coming here. I my self work at UK company , which is establishing its branch office here.


  30. Syed Johny (unregistered) on August 13th, 2007 @ 3:41 am

    hmm! u people have SHIFTED AWAY FROM TOPIC!
    I visited the ITCN this year! like every year before!!
    Sadly ! THIS WAS MY BIGGEST DISSAPOINTMENT,

    The event was pathetic this year!
    Consumer Electronics??? There were close to none!!
    Only handfull like Panasonic ( that too with only photostate machine and telephone set)

    Samsung with some cellfones

    couldnt find any other worth mentioning!
    except for one or two chinese companies!

    Ufone despite being one of the sponsor wasnt present ! neither were telenor, Mobilink, MZ, United mobiles, Advance Telecom , and other telecom sector companies!

    Only warid along with parent company, PTCL and Samsung was present of Telecom Sector!

    Even in Computer Sector the presence was very low!
    I couldnt even find the stall of Galaxy there!

    three halls only this time ! and those too , not completely filled!

    I literally felt pathetic goin there!

    I was planin to do some purchases there ! like some writable DVDs , DVD Writer, and cellphones!
    and really felt like a Dumbo being there with all the cash !! and nuthin except mouse keyboard and some similar accessories ! and yeah ! a new warid connection was also available!

    So in short! the biggest PISS of the year !


  31. Zainub (unregistered) on August 13th, 2007 @ 12:00 pm

    thanks for the event review johny, its disappointing to hear the event couldn’t live up to everything the organisers said it would.


  32. Saad Durrani (unregistered) on August 17th, 2007 @ 1:45 am

    OK, I have been the Receptionist at ITCN Asia for past two years and indeed, this year the exhibition was more based on Telecom Products. PTCL launched their new look as well as Wateen Telecom announced its services in Karachi. This year, the passes were available on SMS. Azad and Jammu Kashmir has its representation as well as PSEB Forum was conducted in Hall 5.

    Telenor and Ufone only chose to place their banners where as Toshiba launched their 2 laptops. Intel had a pavilion in Hall 3, so it was not half bad.

    BTW, all the halls were filled completely. Remember that next ITCN Asia is scheduled in July 2008. Check http://www.itcnasia.com for details.


  33. Saad Durrani (unregistered) on August 17th, 2007 @ 1:46 am

    OK, I have been the Receptionist at ITCN Asia for past two years and indeed, this year the exhibition was more based on Telecom Products. PTCL launched their new look as well as Wateen Telecom announced its services in Karachi. This year, the passes were available on SMS. Azad and Jammu Kashmir has its representation as well as PSEB Forum was conducted in Hall 5.

    Telenor and Ufone only chose to place their banners where as Toshiba launched their 2 laptops. Intel had a pavilion in Hall 3, so it was not half bad.

    BTW, all the halls were filled completely. Remember that next ITCN Asia is scheduled in July 2008. Check http://www.itcnasia.com for details.


  34. Saad Durrani (unregistered) on August 17th, 2007 @ 1:49 am

    OK, I have been the Receptionist at ITCN Asia for past two years and indeed, this year the exhibition was more based on Telecom Products. PTCL launched their new look as well as Wateen Telecom announced its services in Karachi. This year, the passes were available on SMS. Azad and Jammu Kashmir has its representation as well as PSEB Forum was conducted in Hall 5.

    Telenor and Ufone only chose to place their banners where as Toshiba launched their 2 laptops. Intel had a pavilion in Hall 3, so it was not half bad.

    BTW, all the halls were filled completely. Remember that next ITCN Asia is scheduled in July 2008. Check http://www.itcnasia.com for details.


  35. Saad Durrani (unregistered) on August 17th, 2007 @ 1:56 am

    OK, I have been the Receptionist at ITCN Asia for past two years and indeed, this year the exhibition was more based on Telecom Products. PTCL launched their new look as well as Wateen Telecom announced its services in Karachi. This year, the passes were available on SMS. Azad and Jammu Kashmir has its representation as well as PSEB Forum was conducted in Hall 5.

    Telenor and Ufone only chose to place their banners where as Toshiba launched their 2 laptops. Intel had a pavilion in Hall 3, so it was not half bad.

    BTW, all the halls were filled completely. Remember that next ITCN Asia is scheduled in July 2008. Check http://www.itcnasia.com for details.



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