PNSC Building Fire
PNSC Building is yet again been engulfed in the second such uncontrollable fire this year, it apparently looks suspicious to see it ablaze and again on Sunday!!!. I was at Sandspit when we saw the smoke in the distance and upon our drive back we saw devastation. CDGK has yet again failed to deliver and the Mayor of Karachi was more concerned about a the power struggle between the various agencies in Karachi, while no one had any answers as how this was to be prevented in the future. Despite putting all the resources at the disposal the administration was waiting to watch the fire burn out itself, and maybe all the occupants can look forward to a hefty insurance claim.
On my drive through the area, the public was standing there watching the circus in amazement which actually resulted in hindering the arrival of the fire trucks making their way to the blaze literally honking their way and zig-zagging through the crowd. At that moment one wishes to have an organized system to ensure a traffic free corridor allowing emergency vehicles immediate access to the location and in frustration I wish there was another form of entertainment for our citizens rather then arriving in hordes to watch this building crumble to the ground
Remember, PNSC building is a PRIME location.
MQM BKG is Federal Minister for Ports & Shipping. Moustapha Kudal is MQM - Fire at the PNSC Building TWICE in less then a year - Some “Malaysian Civil Structure Consultant Firm” will declare the PNSC building ‘Dangerous’ and recommend DEMOLITION,
shall I continue…………………!
Woah…..I was so damn surprised when I heard that the administrator of this place died of a heart attack.
hahaha jamal, what a perspicacious observation! i should have thought so, we ALL, should have seen it coming….
Despite all you guys spewing poison, these MQM low life, middle class folks have done in two years what was not done in past 60. Tell me who else can deliver for this city? Zia and Mian Sharif wanted to take away every institution from Karachi, including banks and PIA. KMC had barely enough budget to pay for its sweepers, now it has an impressive roaster of projects. Federal govt used to readily collect revenue from this city, but when it come to financing a project the answere was that Karachi should generate its own resources or ask from World Bank. And when a loan from World Bank was negotiated the federal and provincial govts used to shamelessly charge a hefty premium. Remember how KMC’s sole source of income “Octroi” was taken away and how sweepers staged a sit in outside KMC HO, demanding salaries.
This is not the same KMC or city government, a lot is happenning now, in fact Karachi is back on social and cultural map, the arts council is buzzing. True, too many roads have been dug up and the weather has not been helpful either, but Kudaal and Co. are out there with their sleeps up. Remember you have to take advantage while the bounty lasts. Musharraf has provided all these resources for the city, take as much advantage while he is there. This can be termed a very selfish view but its the fact. This city has a lot of catching up to do, and has to do it really quick.
Also, for the first time we seen corporation in Karachi contribute towards the city development. KPT, Steel Mills, PIA and what not are all financing different projects and the city is not being burdened by expensive loans. So please chill out and avoid name calling and single minded criticism.
Reality_Check is soo right .. no one can fix problems in matter of days / weeks. Give them time .. and help them rather then moaning ..
Well said REALITY_CHECK!!! MQM has done so much for the city and even though they have their flaws, they have certainly done MUCH more good than worse for Karachi.
Thanks ALI & AHMED, its important that we keep things in perspective. There should be no blind following at the same time no criticism for the sake of criticism. Good should be appreciated and bad condemned, its that simple.
For me blaming a building fire without any credence on a certain minister or an organization is carrying things too far. This daemonizing compaign is self defeating and offers no solutions.
@Reality -
Whatever they are doing is very positive, I’m quiet sure of their sincerity with the people and with the CITY, however whatever they are NOT suppose to do, but happening with their blessings under cover is UNACCEPTABLE to the grass root level worker of their very own party.
MQM is NOW totally, clearly and undeniably divided within, and thats what have caused the May 12th mayhem which have placed them again on Dec 16th 1986 situation.
MQM Leadership have to REWORK and revitalise the spirit, which they are ignoring, and …………. trust me this election they will face tough time,
@Jamal suggestions of demolishing & rebuilding even higher PNSC plaza after the last fire in feburary was very much discussed… maybe now they’ll finally have an excuses to bring it down..
Engro and Nespak’s offices completely gutted… yet again..
NESPAK is the ONE SOURCE - Consultant, Designer, Supervisors and One of the 3 Final Accepting authority of the Liyari Expressway - — seems like something doing with “financial aspect and billing issues of contractors”
People like BGK shall be called upon to London by BIG Bhaie and interrogated, or else He may choose to resign from PARTY like Amir Liquat Hussain, on personal reasons (to manage the business enterprises acquired when minister) not known or shared with International Secretariat in UK.
@ Reality - make this heard to people who matter please….. !
Karkun:Babar Bhai kaam hogaya, ab agla kia hukam hay?
Babar Bhai: Mujhe Khud nahi pata, mujhe bus itna pata hay k altaf bhai k liye eid k kapray khareednay hain tu ham sab ko order mila hay k paise jama karo, insurance k paise se altaf bhai shalwar ka “Izaar band[Naara]” to aa he jaye ga.
Jamal seems to be spot on. Lets wait and see.
@Reality according to layariites , Rehman dakait spends his illgotten wealth on welfare of people of layari.. and many people of the area support him.. but in the eye of law he remains a dreaded and notorious criminal no matter how much he spends on welfare of people… same is the case with MQM no matter how much of public money they spend on few flawed projects to potray themselves as only hope and saviour of karachi, but the fact remain that they’re a terrorist organization and they can’t wash off their brutal past so easily no matter how much they try..
Babar Ghauri religiously sends Altaf bai majority share coz he knows that if he didn’t then his fate would be similar to that of Khalid Bin Waleed who was gunned down by MQM’s own terrorist for misappropriating funds collected from sacrifical animal’s hides on EidulAdha .. International Secretariat knows about all his business ventures and properties inside and outside the country…
doctor tum tu jal kukray ho. tumhe kia pata hamaray amir bhai geo k director hain. altaf bhai unk zarye na sirf geo k dum seedhi rakhte hain balkey saath saath altaf bhai ko ek boht bara nazrana TCS k zariya bhejtey hain aur hamaray adil siddiqui bhai tu use bhe bari cheez hain,pata nai kitni sarai vizaratain liye bethay hain. wo altaf bhai k boht chaheete hain kion kay wo akalay itna saray paise ikhata kartey hain k baqi kar nai paatay. babar bhai jabhe tension me they aj kal lehaza unko ye chichori harkat karna pari warna wo isse bara level k kamina pan karta hain!!
Here is the deal :-
(All following info is being copied as it is from official statements)
Fire started at 2:15pm. Firemen from every corner were called & all the 50 odd fire fighting engines came immediately.
The fire started at 4th floor. And due to (1) air flow (2) non availability of any measures (3) no lesson learning from previous incident and the fact that the emergency equipment was locked in a steel locked place , nothing could be done.
So our “competent” administration stood there waiting the fire to engulf the whole building. According to the exact words by Mustafa Kamal bhai hum ne saray fire fighters ko bula lia hai magar ye out of control hai. How sweet !!!
Pakistan NAVY (as always) had to come in for a rescue and they expertly rescued a Telenor employee stranded over the roof-top. This was shown LIVE on AAJ TV. The heli indeed made a difficult move. Well done Navy jawans!!.
The black-devil for shipping Babar Ghauri announced with utmost nakedness that he cannot do anything, has no info, has no idea about possible time the task could be finished & dont want to comment further on TV host questions.
An official on the condition of anonymity said (indirectly) that whatever water being thrown is useless as we are waiting for the fire to stop by itself. And this complete ending to this may take another 24 hours.
Well done everyone. 21st century, Nuclear Power & we cannot stop a fire on 14 floor building.
Sab set hai , We are indeed progressing. May GOD help us with the 1947 ft. towers & any Tsunami’s.
I had earlier posted few pics on my blog.
Shame on MQM for turning Karachi into one of the worst metropolitan cities in the world.
Recently saw Mustafa Kamal’s interview with Anwar Maqsood. They both seemed idiot.
No wonder why Karachi is in deep shit.
@Reality bhai
How much MQM pays you for defending it at any cost?
Just kidding , please dont give my name and info to your sector in-charge. I wont do shararat again.
No need to bang your head to wall. Sit ,relax and open eyes. If i start telling what has happened underground i am sure you will kill me.
@MB and all others, thank you for not contadicting any of the points that I have raised, instead you guys choose to take the easy path and choose to go after the person. I guess you guys are watching lot of Fox News lately, hence such tactics. However, I found the whole exercise very amusing.
As for me being on payroll of someone, rest assured I enjoy a senior position in one of the leading Financial institutions in North America, hence, have plenty in stock options alone. Somebody has to present a very very big bundle to buy me out.
Karachi is my home town, I have never lost touch with it, whatever I am today its because of that city. As for MQM I can write as much against those guys, but sensing an apparent anti-MQM bias, I choose to be the devil’s advocate and give you guys a few reality checks, hence the name.
Shamsi Sahib NESPAK has its head offices in Lahore, dont worry they must be keeping the originals there. As for tough times for MQM in the coming elections. The last election was not a cake walk for them either. This is a good sign, there should never be Khamba vote.
As for building control and high rise safety standards and the apparent lack of capability of the fire deparment. All these issues have suffered decades of neglect, you guys are dumping every thing on the current setup, thats lame. Remember the eartquake and the high collapse in ISB, dont tell me MQM was responsible for that too.
You have a mayor now who talks in no un-certain terms and accepts responsibility, and works hard day and night. Look around Pakistan do you see any mayor putting in such an effort, nobody even comes close.
When I was in university there were Jamaati thunder squads, PSF goons headed by Najeeb and Tipu, Pakhtoon SF, Jeay Sindh, BSF and what not. All had weapons to show off. They used to beat up the local parhaakoo guys just to establish their badmaashee. It so happened that the victims got fed up and now there is no bigger badmaash than them. Its not that MQM guys are particularly proud of the reputation that they carry, they are trying to reach out and do good, branding them as “terrorist” will serve no purpose. They are not aliens, they are from this city, accept it.
@DOCTOR a few flawed projects? Karachi has not seen such influx of money spent on its ifrastructure since independence. As for MQM’s past. Dont talk to me about past. It is not a rosy picture for anybody including Mulim League, PPP, Jamaate-Islami and the whole lot. Remember, not long ago Karachi was the main hub and transit point for international terroists. There were gun fights in Defence phase 5 and Gulistan-e-Jauhar. Consulate and hotel bombings happened with periodic frequency, convoys were ambushed in clifton, there was almost a daily murder of shia doctor or a professional, rival mosques were attacked. Dont tell me that was all MQM, thank God got Karachi is over that now . For the first time cricket matches are being shifted to this city, isn’t that a pleasant change.
@MB as for Navy & PNCS. PNSC, one of the most prolific loss making enterprises of Pakistan has always been managed by retired and on deputation Naval officers. Its about time they rescued a guy from their own building and repay some debt to society.
MB I dont take things that lightly, I was in Hyderabad on that fatal 30th September and had to drive my car carefully avoiding dead bodies lying on the roads, that was some experience, please dont lecture me on who is killing who and who did what that was a black era, no National leader then came to the rescue , none called a day of mourning, that was war like situation….I am glad thats over.
I am thinking that administrator of PNSC died of a heart attack or some one poisoned him.This guy should be post mortem.
After a very long time - some one makes sense to me on this BLOG - Reality, you and i seesm to be from same ERA, TIPU, Najeeb, Fazal Tiger of Jamiat etc etc etc.
MQM - well they belong to the level of people which is the most victimised of all ‘nationally’ not just Karachi,
however, They are now deviating from the ‘Original charter of MQM’ since want to be in MAIN STREAM Politics, they are in HOOD WINK with the CORE issue of their Existance or let me rephrase it - Core Issue of Their COMING into BEING.
- How much a common human living in Karachi is HAPPY with them - any figure above 50% is acceptable but even the majority areas of so called MQM Muscle are not HAPPY,. Thats a failure, thats a deviation from ‘rule of common people’ -
I do not mind saying it and stand by it - Altaf Hussain is now a puppet looking after vested interest of Enemies of “Pakistan”. Mi-6, RAW, Mossad & CIA have infilterated the MQM, and key runners at MQM committe are under their Umbrella.
I hope many of us have read the article in papers, AMREEKA KAI RABTAY TAMAM SEYASI JAMATON SAI HAIN.
Then Farooq Sattar statment,……… it is an indication of PPP + MQM alliance brewing…….for election 2007.
MQM forgot what Naseer ullah Barbar Did to them
does mqm need money ??
I was in Hyderabad on that fatal 30th September and had to drive my car carefully avoiding dead bodies lying on the roads,
you mean 31st October incident?
Farooq Sattar statment,……… it is an indication of PPP + MQM alliance brewing…….for election 2007.
MQM is most hypocrite party in pakistan they literally damm care abt own ppl …At the one end they said punjabi grab our rights blah blah on the other end alliance with chaudrey brother …2ndly from last 2 decades they crying army did operations against us killed so many mohajir now from last 8 year they unconditionally supporting Dictator musharraf,just coz of supporting dictator they killed 48 own ppl on 12th of may.
this ALTAF GUNda has used in past and still using the sentiments of Mohajir and the treatment they get in PAK i.e quota system , ethinicity etc etc to win ballots , but after 20-25 years of testing MQM or ALTAF they have come to the conclusions that they also just talk and atlk , till today any of the woes of people of sindh has been addressed by MQM???? the answer is BIG NO ,
jamal bhai: the fact the workers are not happy with the MQM doesn’t only have roots in what MQM is doing, but i perceive it to be unhappiness because they’ve been in power too long. For a very long time, MQM was in the rebel position, and as with all rebel positions, people are loyal to a cause. Once they’re in power, and been there for quite sometime, complacency on part of the leaders and loss of a cause on part of the workers lead to dissention between them.
but then, which party hasn’t faced that? why do u think we have so many intials nowadays? take PML for example.. PML-N, PML-Q and so on.. same’s with the PPP and to a certain degree, MQM. Dissention is common because a shared goal is very uncommon.
how it reflects on the overall situation of the party and city depends on how well the dissention is managed by the leaders, which, till it blows up in their faces, is being done relatively well. we haven’t had any MQM vs MQM fights so far (atleast not in the news) which is a very big indicator.
anyway, just thought i’d share my two cents
reality_check: good one bhai! you’re analysis resonates very closely with my own, that we should see the broader picture of where the city is going rather than focus on the past of who got us there. there’s no one in our current (or the near future) establishment who has a clean record. the history of our country has made sure of that… and since we’ve got to work with what we’ve got, the current administration is doing a remarkable job so far. given another 10 years, we might actually have a city worth living in.. which is coming a very long way from a couple of years back, where the dream was farther than 5 decades away from being achieved!
@Reality_Check: so u mean to sya mqm is very very good and they havent done ne thing???
I think u shud come to karachi these days and visit wats goin on?
wat ever happened wid MQM was justified i guess.
Y did they poke their noses into Pathans, when they were goin out of the city??? Just badmaashi and nothing else?
And there are many many cases like that.
U can see ghundas of mqm walking on streets and collecting bhatta.
“Karachi has not seen such influx of money spent on its ifrastructure since independence”.
Almost the same or double amt has been eaten up my mqm. y dont they repair the roads quickly.
The dig the road and untill citizens are abt to refrain from travelling on that road, they repair it. u can easily guess that its no ,less than a month.
They arent doing ne thing according to the plan. Yeah but they are eating money on regular basis.
Please dont be devils advocate and let others throw mud on u.
sitting 7000 miles away from ground zero you can afford to say what ever you like but the ground realities are quite different.. you’ve moved out in search of greener pasture to west & with high paid job you’ve a secure future , but what do you have to say about those teenagers who armed with heavy weapons were manning the blockades and check posts all around karachi on 12th may, with clear orders from Grand terrorist Altaf bai to show others that karachi belonged to them..(even CJ sindh highcourt and others had to jump over these barricades on foot when MQM’s unit incharges didn’t allowed their cars to proceed to highcourt premises)…. do these teenagers have a secure future like your self? or would they end up being victim of Altaf bai’s terrorist mentality…
Its really scary you know. Just like the movies where they burn buildings to hide evidence. If this trend goes on (PNSC Bldg, Parliament House, Corporate Offices etc) there will be fire everywhere. Laga do, Aag!
Reminds me of the Ojhri Camp.
CJ is causing some ripple at the moment… in the missing person case he has given an order that DG FIA (who was IG Punjab at the time of this person’s disappearance) with be put behind bar if he failed to produce missing person(Abdul Basit) by monday and would continue to be behind bar until this person is recovered…
major traffic jam yet again on SF and MA jinnah road.. even on sunday(public holiday) things were not better and M A jinnah road was messed up with traffic jam..
Karachi has not seen such influx of money spent on its infrastructure since independence??
@reality_check
I heard somebody say something very nice about Pakistan, “It is the only country where foreign investment means the no. of foreign food chains you have, technology transfer means mobile companies coming and selling you their networks (no technology transfer mind you!) and economic well being of masses is indicated by the no of cars on the road (thanks to leasing option from the banks)”. If these are our parameters for judging economic stability then God help us!
That really check is not even in Pakistan and talking about Karachi and lecturing others? Duh! I wonder why one should consider you credible at first place?
Look dude, we don’t need a KMB version of Altaf bai who resides in London,enjoy luxuries and then talk about “AWam” of Karachi
That really check is not even in Pakistan and talking about Karachi and lecturing others? Duh! I wonder why one should consider you credible at first place?
Look dude, we don’t need a KMB version of Altaf bai who resides in London,enjoy luxuries and then talk about “AWam” of Karachi
i remember a speech by dictator in which he made funny statements about Pak Econ by pointing out things like large number of cars and mobiles. Infact he said, “Gaoun me kisaan bhe mobile use karaha hey, ye tarraqi nai tu aur kia hay”. :-)
Mushy era.8 years and counting. All lottas and dacos are part of team. Big benificary are MQM and lottas. now PPP join team to start looting,MMA already enjoying power at two province ..So still some ppl like Mr Mansoor saying After 8 year power this setup will deliver 10-15 years.Fantastic .
As for whatever stability you see if Musharraf and his team of buffoons had not been able to do this in 8 years, I repeat, 8 YEARS, then they would have been real morons. I mean, in 8 years anybody would do SOME good at least.
Sahi kehte he log pakistan Qaum ko che banana bahut asan kaam he.
nespak’s vice president says that he has been using that building for almost 22 years and accoding to him the building never even had a minor outbreak of fire during those 22 years and in just less then 7 months 2 major fires burn down the whole building.. he says some thing seriously fishy is going on and should be investigated…
The fact that “reality_check” is now living in North America doesn’t mean that the person can’t tell the truth about what he saw/felt in his university days.
I think MQM is just like other political parties (corrupt … big time). At the same time you guys should get your historical facts straight. Read Nazir Naji’s columns on MQM in Jang (someone posted the links earlier).
eh Nazir Naji? the guy who left his “Mai baap” nawaz shareef all alone when dictator kick shareefs out? Only some insane would refer such lunatic person. Infact I consider Pat Robertson much better than Nazir Naji.
Bluemax, a person like me who had association with MQM doesn’t need some Punjabi dude(who has/had haterd for Urdu speaking people) reference to declare someone sane or Insane.
WOW! I didn’t know that I will cause such a rumble. The fact that I am thousands of miles away doesn’t mean much. I visit Karachi every year, I am in touch with my friends, I follow Pakistan media and sometimes sitting out gives you a better perspective. Also, if I wasn’t forced to declare where I am you guys wouldn’t even have guessed.
Now I will write what I think is the problem with MQM. Its how its organized i.e. its rank and file and cadres. When APMSO was formed it was flooded with Jamiat fellows. It adopted the similar organizations structure as Jamiats, similar hierarchy and command and control. Consequently, the first turf war it had was with Jamiat. Jamiat lost that battle simply because the sheer numbers in which people joined APMSO, also since many of them were themselves ex-jamati’s so they could counter and foresee every move they made. That doesn’t mean that Jamati’s didn’t put up a fight, they had no derth of resources and had fighters who were veterans of Afghan jihad. So it was war and all the govt agencies and leaders stood their and watched the tamasha. There were so many agencies involved and so much weaponry was on the street. By the way that’s another topic. Has any body questioned how during 1980’s and 1990’s truck loads of automatic weaponry found its way to Karachi all the way from Tribal Areas. That must have been a massive operation under the very noses of our military and ISI. Some very powerful guys made tons of money by selling peoples blood, they were not from MQM.
The dilemma that is facing MQM is how to transform to a peacetime role. It has a very efficient rank and file system but that’s also its greatest impediment. They need to keep the cadres that they have because the Jamatee threat is not yet over but have to transform at the same time. May 12 aside (which could have been avoided by staying neutral) there has not been a major incident in Karachi for the last five years. No curfew situations, even the last CDGK elections went without any major incident. Altaf Hussain aside I have no problem with the clear political posture they have taken, they are not hiding anything, whatever they stand for its in the open i.e.:
1/ Support for Pervaiz Musharraf.
3/ Their stand against religious fundamentalist. (which I consider a real threat to Pakistani Society & Karachi.)
4/ Their clear stand against Jagirdaars and Waderas ( No other political party has the guts to even discuss this issue)
5/ Their plan to extend to National Level, that will itself trigger many positive changes.
6/ Their priority to get as much out from the coffers of federal govt. for Karachi.
Please guys don’t give me that corruption shit, in the 90’s our great leaders literally ran our nation to ground by openly looting our banks, we were on the brink of default and our currency was on a free fall, if that had continued we would have been selling channah’s by now. Ofcourse MQM pays for Altaf’ s expenses but they are not breaking the bank or bringing any institution down. Personally, I am in favour of MQM retaining their armed wing until all other martial races and armed groups are made to do otherwise. You must be saying Ahh but the fact is, there will be elections soon. There will be Jiyala leaders back again on the streets with their Pajero’s escorted by intimidating arm guards, the only guarantee for peace is deterrence - somebody has got to do the dirty work. This sounds pretty bizarre, but that’s the reality my friends.
Also don’t by the America, RAW and all that bull shit. This is Pakistan, every leader has a line of credit. It will take a thesis to cover who takes what from whom. There was a time J.M.Syed, Wali Khan and Balloach nationalist were all grouped as RAW agents and ghaddaar’s. Time has proven that they were not saying anything wrong; they were only speaking the truth.
Will someone from MQM send me a pay check!! I charge by the post….remember.
@Adnan I was talking about Septembet 30, the year I can recall was 1988, when armed gunmen riding on cars descended on Hyderabad Streets and killed more than 350 people without remorse. No one talks about bringing those killers to justice. It was not a random act, but a well planned one and the instigators are still roaming free. One of the accused I guess has joined APDM, good for them. Same was the case in Qasba and Aligarh colonies when heroin mafia gangs descended from the hills made that un-armed basti a killing field for a whole full day. Nobody has been charged for that either, no leader came to the rescue, there was no national mourning or even a strike, and they talk about justice for May 12. By the way I dont need any certificates of credibility from anybody, these are my views and thats about it.
If I have my facts wrong then please point them out.
But, here is my beef with MQM. Why hasn’t it sued people who were responsible for all those events in Aligarh colony (1985), Qasbah, Pakkaa Qilaa etc. And most of all, why hasn’t MQM filed a case against Nasrullah Babar, his boss Budnazir (the person I hate most), and Navaz NoSharif for killing so many? Why, why, why!
@ reality_check
their is complete hypocrisy in MQM strategy..
Please don’t try to fool us by calling MQM as a party represent karachi. For many years MQM is crying that establishment is against them. When we ask them who is establishment reply is Army, ISI , feudals. Now they are biggest supporters of army general so army is on their side. They are partners with feudals in power so feudals are on their side. Where is the struggle for democracy in MQM? All we see is typical politics for power and a one manshow from London. I am not commenting on personal life and statments of Qaid-MQM here because every knows how mentally retarded person he is..and how he feels about creation of Pakistan.
@ reality_check
their is complete hypocrisy in MQM strategy..
Please don’t try to fool us by calling MQM as a party represent karachi. For many years MQM is crying that establishment is against them. When we ask them who is establishment reply is Army, ISI , feudals. Now they are biggest supporters of army general so army is on their side. They are partners with feudals in power so feudals are on their side. Where is the struggle for democracy in MQM? All we see is typical politics for power and a one manshow from London. I am not commenting on personal life and statments of Qaid-MQM here because every knows how mentally retarded person he is..and how he feels about creation of Pakistan.
@ reality_check
their is complete hypocrisy in MQM strategy..
Please don’t try to fool us by calling MQM as a party represent karachi. For many years MQM is crying that establishment is against them. When we ask them who is establishment reply is Army, ISI , feudals. Now they are biggest supporters of army general so army is on their side. They are partners with feudals in power so feudals are on their side. Where is the struggle for democracy in MQM? All we see is typical politics for power and a one manshow from London. I am not commenting on personal life and statments of Qaid-MQM here because every knows how mentally retarded person he is..and how he feels about creation of Pakistan.
mmmmmmmmmmm
i am loving it
by the way you guys watch two latest video’s added on PNSC fire. The unloader was Syed Hussain Masood:-
http://publicmb.wordpress.com/2007/08/19/fire-at-pnsc-building-in-karachi/
By the way thanks for doing my side of job fellows. I never felt like jumping into this. ASA aap ki meherbani
@ASA Now you guys are again rumbling. MQM doesn’t need to sue anybody, because it ultimately won that war.
Also MQM doesn’t need to fight for democracy or justice. Karachi had already enough of that crap. Any fundamental system change has to come from Punjab, so all such battles should be fought there. The days when every movement for change was launched from Karachi, for some dictator military or otherwise to take over (at the expense of its citizens) are over. If you guys want to struggle for it, put your lives on the line. It is also a fact that my Jamaatee brothers cant digest, if they only had their hands on Karachi they would have got rid of Musharraf by now, that’s why they want Karachi so bad.
Also, MQM doesn’t need to struggle against Wadera Shahi or Jagirdaari, they just need to ensure that their Jirga writ is not allowed to take hold in the city. Same goes for the Moulvi’s. They have to counter any threat, after all who doesn’t want their hands on lucrative Karachi land, remember Jaam Sadiq, Abdullah Shah, Ghous Ali Shah, Qaim Ali Shah and the lot. Will the people like them serve Karachi? Come on, grow up. MQM is the best option you have. Snub them, criticize them, ridicule them but don’t loose them. That would be fatal.
Also democracy is not a magic potion that will change everything in the blink of an eye. For some democracy means withdrawal of cases, for others return to power / home and for some fulfillment of their screwed up ideologies like ummah and jihad. People are no where in the list of current champions of democracy in Pakistan. So go to polls don’t compromise on that but expect no miracles either.
It’s time that Supreme Court take another Suo Motto Action and star inquiry about this accident and bring Babar Tijori in court.
Again MQM’s militamt Waseem Akhter didn’t appear in court in 12th May case. SC sees it as contempt of court.
I think MQM’s militants are still living in dreams and demonstrating their Ghunda Gardi that they are more bigger than SC. Shame on such people of such cult who are not respecting Judiciary. How else judiciary is respected? Someone should ask Bai because he was contentiously saying that MQM respected Judiciary.
@Reality_Check: get real dude. COme Karachi and spend just 6 months. Drive your car from Saddar to Gulistan Johar daily then I would see what you talk about. You can’t experience Karachi’s situation with the help of media. Face the heat yourself rather being mouth piece of others.
very right @adnan
@reality_check
In Last five yrs, well, things have happened but since u r dependent on media, u cant do ne thing.
Remember the phadda , which started from SSUet and spread all around karachi, in 2003 perhaps?
A guy was killed in ssuet during that phadda.
I dont know wat in ur dictionary, the word MAJOR means?
FYI, The last elections, in which mqm was elected, were dummmy elections./ Staff wasnt trained. at some place, single person put up 18 votes etc etc.
Ne way, since those were ur views, these are my views :D
I think reality_check has not posted anything that was unreal. The GHUNDA GARDI of Najeeb, Tipu, etc. is a known fact. Normal university students at that time really hoped that some other GHUNDA should tackle them head on and thats what happened.
do u mean tip sultan shaheed?
if yes , then u need to get a life
us ko tu hindi bhee apnay hero mantey hain.
Angaraiz bhee us ki bahaduri ko mantay hain
aur yehi hindu aur angraiz ko tu app follow kertay ho. tu phir aisa q?
a British firm was paid millions to conduct inquiry after the last fire in February.. now again they’ll pay millions to some foreign firm(plus Ghauri’s kickbacks) to conduct inconclusive inquiries … and finally they’re also contemplating option of installing sprinkler system in the building…
city govt paid Rs120 million to buy 2 new snorkels and during the fire on sunday one of them failed to work at all.. (thats wat happens when supplier pays decision makers hefty bribes and supplies inferior quality product..)
@DOC :
Provide me info on this please
” a British firm was paid millions to conduct inquiry after the last fire in February.. now again they’ll pay millions to some foreign firm(plus Ghauri’s kickbacks) to conduct inconclusive inquiries … and finally they’re also contemplating option of installing sprinkler system in the building…”
Doctor, At least the city govt received the snorkels. Dont know abt the investigation bit.
And as for Nadan sidiqqui, i have driven from sadar to Johar maur for more then 6 months. I know the situation but I will still vote for MQM and so will most of khi. RIgging or no rigging MQM will win again.
And to think tht bec MQM supports Mushy that means they support the establishment, then tht is wrong. the establishment has always been and will always be the feudals. Mushy is there bec there is a power struggle between the feudals and they want him for now, Mushy will be disposed off when they see no need for him. That is why he needs BB by his side.
and the feudals have never liked MQM, i dont need to tell you that. turn on your tv.
@ADNAN: “Khud bhee kuch kar lou sarey kaam supreme court se hee karanay hein.”
By the way can anyone tell IUNKNOWN about TIPU, the first plane hijacker Pakistan has produced. He is dragging Tipu Sultan into this.
This is getting to be fun :-)
Adnan wrote: get real dude. COme Karachi and spend just 6 months. Drive your car from Saddar to Gulistan Johar daily then I would see what you talk about. You can’t experience Karachi’s situation with the help of media. Face the heat yourself rather being mouth piece of others.
@Adnan: Don’t give these lame arguments to me. I have travelled that route on Public transport, those yellow devils. I ask you, was it MQM that refused to finance the Karachi Mass Transit Project started in the 70’s. Was it MQM that dissolved KTC and handed over the Karachi transport to the Tribal Cheifs running the Yellow devils in partnership with the then police officers? at that time they could not find a constable to be recruited from this city. Was it the MQM that paid no attention to expanding and improving circular railway?
The fact is that, there was a time when nobody wanted to spend anything on Karachi except collect taxes. Take advantage of this window that Musharraf has provided and build as much as you can. Ofcourse, there will be screw-ups, delays and inconveniences but atleast something is being done and if there are any flawed projects then people will learn from them and do a better job next time.
Wake up! Karachi is out of that state of neglect that engulfed it during the eighties and the nineties don’t try to drag it back.
“The last time the PNSC building caught fire was on February 18, 2007. “Foreign experts said that short circuits were the cause of the blaze then,” Ghauri said.”
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=20078\21\story_21-8-2007_pg12_2
they had even mentioned the name of that british firm on media which am unable to recall atm…
@Concerned that Rs60 Million snorkel is just good for sprinkling rose petals at MQM’s rallies… like they’ve been using other snorkels during MQM rallies….
@Reality let me repeat what i have said earlier..
“sitting 7000 miles away from ground zero you can afford to say what ever you like but the ground realities are quite different.. you’ve moved out in search of greener pasture to west & with high paid job you’ve a secure future , but what do you have to say about those teenagers who armed with heavy weapons were manning the blockades and check posts all around karachi on 12th may, with clear orders from Grand terrorist Altaf bai to show others that karachi belonged to them..(even CJ sindh highcourt and others had to jump over these barricades on foot when MQM’s unit incharges didn’t allowed their cars to proceed to highcourt premises)…. do these teenagers have a secure future like your self? or would they end up being victim of Altaf bai’s terrorist mentality…”
u don’t want to talk about MQM’s brutal past.. thats quite understandable, but you can’t ignore 12may’s event.. they’re quite fresh.. terrorist organisation like MQM can go on rampage on a short notice like they did on 12th may , you and Altaf bai and safely talk trash sitting cosily in west , its the innocent karachiites that’ll face the music..
@DOCTOR
What is this? a tag team match. To contradict you in all my posts I have talked about the past. Its you guys who have conveniently avoided that, because you are playing the blame game offerring no solutions and despite being there on the ground are detached from reality. Tell me who else you have in mind for Karachi, Qazi Sahib, Nawaz Shareef, Imran Khan?, I suppose you are not that dumb. I have a lot at stake in Karachi, all my loved ones are there, all my friends are there (the ones that are alive). I lost a couple of very dear ones so don’t give me that detached shit. Anyway I’ll be there in couple of months, but this isn’t about me. Please try to present arguments or analysis, making statements and name calling is the easy part, any one can do that.
Yes, I have said MQM has a armed wing, so does their opponents, they are the junior most in this regard. Hasn’t Jamaat provided safe houses for international terrorists in Karachi, haven’t they recruited kids from our colleges and universities to send them jihaads in parts unknown. Haven’t the tribal inhabitants of Karachi demonstrated their trigger happiness time and time again? I will not defend May 12 but will advise you to get over it quick, like others got over 100’s killed in one day. May 12 was a good lesson for MQM and they will learn from it. However , I agree with you they have also sent a clear message, “If you want a system change go fight that battle somewhere else, Karachi has had enough of it.”
As for the teen agers of Karachi, they are doing just fine now, they will have their rock bands and nobody will beat them up for talking to each other. Quite a few new universities of international standards will be up and running in couple of years, I guess one is kick starting in 2008. If things stay the way they are, Karachi will see much more influx of capital in the form of outsourcing business as well as manufacturing units. That’s why the infrastructure has to be re-vamped in quick time without delving into any ideological or system change nonsense.
On the lighter side, snorkel’s are there just to carry people up or bring them down, they are not pressure pumps. For that you need high pressure fire hydrants installed in every neighbourhood and near all the buildings . This means all roads to be dug up, separate high pressure water mains laid and of course you need water too. That’s one daunting prospect isn’t it. I wonder nobody thought of this in the past 60 years.
@DOCTOR
What is this? a tag team match. To contradict you in all my posts I have talked about the past. Its you guys who have conveniently avoided that, because you are playing the blame game offerring no solutions and despite being there on the ground are detached from reality. Tell me who else you have in mind for Karachi, Qazi Sahib, Nawaz Shareef, Imran Khan?, I suppose you are not that dumb. I have a lot at stake in Karachi, all my loved ones are there, all my friends are there (the ones that are alive). I lost a couple of very dear ones so don’t give me that detached ….. Anyway I’ll be there in couple of months, but this isn’t about me. Please try to present arguments or analysis, making statements and name calling is the easy part, any one can do that.
Yes, I have said MQM has a armed wing, so does their opponents, they are the junior most in this regard. Hasn’t Jamaat provided safe houses for international terrorists in Karachi, haven’t they recruited kids from our colleges and universities to send them jihaads in parts unknown. Haven’t the tribal inhabitants of Karachi demonstrated their trigger happiness time and time again? I will not defend May 12 but will advise you to get over it quick, like others got over 100’s killed in one day. May 12 was a good lesson for MQM and they will learn from it. However , I agree with you they have also sent a clear message, “If you want a system change go fight that battle somewhere else, Karachi has had enough of it.”
As for the teen agers of Karachi, they are doing just fine now, they will have their rock bands and nobody will beat them up for talking to each other. Quite a few new universities of international standards will be up and running in couple of years, I guess one is kick starting in 2008. If things stay the way they are, Karachi will see much more influx of capital in the form of outsourcing business as well as manufacturing units. That’s why the infrastructure has to be re-vamped in quick time without delving into any ideological or system change nonsense.
On the lighter side, snorkel’s are there just to carry people up or bring them down, they are not pressure pumps. For that you need high pressure fire hydrants installed in every neighbourhood and near all the buildings . This means all roads to be dug up, separate high pressure water mains laid and of course you need water too. That’s one daunting prospect isn’t it. I wonder nobody thought of this in the past 60 years.
I know the situation but I will still vote for MQM
@concerned: Ignorance is bliss but too much ignorance is curse. ;). I not even least bothered about your love for MQM.
And by the way, MQM doesn’t need any physical votes by Karachiites. they would demonstrate typical ghunda gardi on election day lke they did on 12th May.
@RealityCheck: kahan tum apni jawani k dino mey chalay gaye k 70/75 ki baat karhe ho. talk about current situation.
MQM whines a lot about quota system but what they did ? Nothing.
As far as developments done by MQM is concerned, just compare Punjab Govt with sind, you would find a clear difference between sincerity of both govts with their respective cities/provinces. Your MQM couldn’t even getrid of Bus mafia, how else could they do anything else?
And kindly don’t try to potray MQM a part of innocent souls. I myself was a supporter of MQM in past and had lots of friends who used to support them. I myself have seen how families suffered during 90s operation so i really don’t need someone else’s drawing room talk to asses MQM. Just check the archive of this blog. in past i did mention many things regarding MQM and how they treat their party workers.
Adnan, I guess you are an informed person but just for recap a political party needs two-thirds majority to repeal the quota system.
“The Lower House on Tuesday passed the 16th Constitutional Amendment by two-thirds majority, extending the provincial quota system for another 20 years. Only the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) opposed the amendment.” Ref: THE NEWS, Wednesday, July 28, 1999.
“The MQM members said that nowhere in the other three provinces was there a divide of the rural and urban like in Sindh. This they said was unfair when even in Punjab, where the Saraiki belt constitutes 40 per cent of the province, the inhabitants were deprived of jobs. The members felt that there was one instance where for grade 11 jobs there was only one vacancy from urban Sindh while two disabled people had seats reserved in the same post. “Don’t push us towards the wall, do not make another Bangladesh,” they cautioned.
Arif Khan fell upon the ruling of the Shariat Court which had ruled that quota system was un-Islamic. “Is this justice in Islam? It is the rich and landlord class which is ruling this country,” he siad.”
@ADNAN There is no need to make big issue out of quota system, it will die its own death. With rapid privatisation all major public corps/banks are already in private hands and with the city govt system all major city jobs are in the control by the city itself. Currently, the govt. jobs are the least attractive and prone to cuts. Use your head, they are not fools.
As for Bus mafia, if MQM cut them out now there will be so much hue and cry and things will be given ethnic colour and a new front will open. Also, the yellow devils are currently the coverring the whole city an abrupt act will paralyze it. It makes sense to phase them out until alternatives are made available.
By the way I am not talking about the seventies. KMTP started in 70’s, was thrown in cold storage during the eighties and dealt a death below during the nineties.
Also, have you seen elections in Punjab or interior of Sindh, I suggest go there this time it will open your eyes. I have not portrayed MQM as innocent souls, it has been a tough fight man, have just tried to keep you in the real world.
By the way my last post has been blocked, I dont know why?
RealityCheck now you are being funny. QUota system would die itself? are you kidding? I think you would be in your graves and your next few generations but this quota system will not die. DO remember MQM was in power when Quota got extended for next 20 years. What kinda impotents exist in MQM that they couldn’t convince others to getrid of such pathetic system? I tel you the reason, they NEVER raised this issue in assembly,neither local nor fedral. I also tell u that your altaf bai always whined against fudal system,QUota system in his speeches. I have attended jalsas by that moron in 90s and I know what kinda things he used to say.
Admit that Punjabi govts did more for Lahore as compared to these “sons of Karachi”. These sons of karachi made city dirty by showing their family background when they wrote on walls “Imran zaani”, “Imran Najaiz Aulad”. Who was screwing this city? Lahoris or these sons of Karachi?
It’s better you come out of your so called “reality check” and smell the hypocrisy in MQM policies. You have no solid argument to support them. As I told you, I myself is a mohajir and I personally knew family members of Afzal Anwar and Ishtiaq Azhar. Just ask the son of Ishtiaq Azhar how his dad was offended by these morons who blamed him for something which he had not done at all.
RealityCheck now you are being funny. QUota system would die itself? are you kidding? I think you would be in your graves and your next few generations but this quota system will not die. DO remember MQM was in power when Quota got extended for next 20 years. What kinda impotents exist in MQM that they couldn’t convince others to getrid of such pathetic system? I tel you the reason, they NEVER raised this issue in assembly,neither local nor fedral. I also tell u that your altaf bai always whined against fudal system,QUota system in his speeches. I have attended jalsas by that moron in 90s and I know what kinda things he used to say.
Admit that Punjabi govts did more for Lahore as compared to these “sons of Karachi”. These sons of karachi made city dirty by showing their family background when they wrote on walls “Imran zaani”, “Imran Najaiz Aulad”. Who was screwing this city? Lahoris or these sons of Karachi?
It’s better you come out of your so called “reality check” and smell the hypocrisy in MQM policies. You have no solid argument to support them. As I told you, I myself is a mohajir and I personally knew family members of Afzal Anwar and Ishtiaq Azhar. Just ask the son of Ishtiaq Azhar how his dad was offended by these morons who blamed him for something which he had not done at all.
Adnan, I don’t mean any offence but just using your own words. “What kinda impotents exist in MQM that they couldn’t convince others to getrid of such pathetic system?” reality_check has failed to “smell the hypocrisy in MQM policies”, does this mean Adnan Siddiqi is an impotent that he couldn’t convince others.
So you are comparing an online discussion between two persons of different opinion with a party who came in power by using an agenda and failed to fulfill its Promise and didn’t work anything for the betterment of their own(Mohajirs). An absurd comparison but not surprising from a Pro-MQM person.
We love the MQM for what it has given us … death, destruction and nalas in unexpected places
reality check, u shud have written the tipu’s complete name as it wasnt Tipu Sultan
*These sons of karachi made city dirty by showing their family background when they wrote on walls “Imran zaani”, “Imran Najaiz Aulad”.
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Adnan, what is wrong with the words ‘zaani’ and ‘najaiz’?
Any Urdu translation of Quran will have these words. Now, you do want people to read Quran with translation, right?
Also, all the kids in the so called madrassahs do come across these words much earlier than other kids. Remember they memorizing Quran starting age 5 and learn the Arabic word ‘zaani’ quite early on in their lives. So, even the so-called madrassah going innnocent (not!) crowd is familiar with these words. For those normal kids who learn the meaning of wrods ‘zaani’ and ‘naajaaiz aulad’ only bit later, hats off to the naaray baaz in Karachi who have helped them improve their Urdu.
I don’t see what is your problem!
@ADNAN
As for repealing quota system, the powers to be cannot even think of it because it will be the political death of our so called national leaders, it will instantly ignite violence. When this thing was being discussed and data was collected it was found that Karachi was not even getting 20% out of 40 % allocated to it. Today in practice Karachi is getting more than that. Also you didn’t get my point, even if they extend it for a century it will be worthless because the major employers will be out of the government scope (privatisation), universities are establishing testing procedures for admissions so where does quota system figure, it is dead already.
You talked Ishtiaq Azhar’ s treatment, I lost my best friend to internal conflict in MQM during the Haqiqi days. You talked about showing family backgrounds, this is the strength as well weakness of MQM. It has such a large from ordinary thela wala to Mohalla ka dadagir and from intellectuals to student activists. This does not mean that they don’t have people with leadership credentials, Haider Rizvi, Wasey Jalil and Mustafa Kamal etc are its future and they are doing good. The other parties except I guess jamaat have an elite class leadership with workers as their servants with no hope of getting the party ticket because of the expense involved.
As for govt of Punjab taking care of its people that’s another story. In brief they have tons of cash to spend, they get 60% of all the natural resources of all the provinces, poor Balochistan gets only 3% percent of its owner ship. Punjab’s biggest resource, its agriculture which is 80% of our economy is not federally taxed so we see nothing of that money. Even then Punjab was in poor state of health, until Nawaz Sharif came to power. Why did he do it because he had middle class origins and was passionate about Lahore. Also meray bhai mysteriously somehow Lahore was saved the huge influx of Afghan refugees, there are no Dera’s there, the demographics are monolithic hence no conflicts like we have in Karachi. Also Lahore did not pay the huge bill by NESPAK for constructing its roads. On the other hand there is no definite estimate how many persons are added to the Karachi population every day. This is not a bad thing, in fact it is the hallmark of any great metropolis but then it needs its resources spent on itself first to cope with such numbers. A lot of catching up has to be done.
Also, you offer no alternatives, there is just criticism, which is the easiest thing to do.
Balma, feeling lonly? Momma locked you in room?
Stop being a troll.
RC: you suffered too due to MQM, lost your friend and still you are being a mouthpiece of them?
How can talk about alternative when blind followers like you are extreme enough that not agree to see someone else.
I would definately like to see Imran Khan as alternative regardless he gets failed or not. We tried so many people then why not him?
@ADNAN so now you are talking, ok your alternative is Imran Khan, I am watching what he is saying and doing very closely. Write now I am not sure what he stands for, hope to discuss him sometime in the future by that time IK may come up with some what to do’s / how to do it. Presently, all he is talking about America, Tribal Areas mein kya ho raha hey and Altaf Lets see….
ADNAN to make it very clear to you I don’t follow any body. I form opinions based on the facts and ground realities never on utopian ideologies or deceptive slogans. In my posts I could have criticized one party with more ammunition than anybody but my objective was just to perk you guys and give some reality checks.
Also, you mentioned loss of my friend, and how could you ……? To this I would say don’t make it personal about me, the response to your querry is very lengthy and my support for MQM takes into account that incident and many others during the most tumultuous times in Karachi. I personally dodged a few bullets and that were not from MQM. In any any case I don’t want this city that I love being dragged back to that era. I have still lot at stake, all my loved ones and friends are there.
Hope to have a healthy exchange about IK soon. My advice to you, “Its good that you guys are keen to express your opinions but avoid name calling, branding or single minded criticism. These traits weaken your argument. If you are presenting an alternative discuss him and know what he stands for and what he plans to do and what will be the consequences of his actions.
Adnan, that was all you could come up with?
Balma, a troll doesn’t deserve more attention that what I gave to you. So sit in corner and read what others are talking about.
RC: IMO, Imran is not more worst than Altaf, maybe Imran is a lot better. How could one assess him unless he’s given responsibility? Altaf is being tested for last 19 years, he did nothing and gvae us nothnig but dead bodies of mohajirs. As I told you, I belong to a genuine Mohajir family and have no outsiders(Punjabi,sindhi, et etc) in my family. My family has supported Altaf like any other mohajor could do but my family was not ignorant and realized later that we did a mistake. DO NOT think you are more mohajir than me or you know more than me. I feel proud to be a mohajir but not part of MQM. MOhajir and MQM are two different things which you should keep this in mind.
I form opinions based on the facts and ground realities never on utopian ideologies or deceptive slogans.
so far I found no fact in your posts? Look dude Unlike few here like Mansoor who are supporting altaf just because He speaks his language, I personally experienced the cult of MQM. Go thru archive of this KMB, I have mentioned SEVERAL FACTS about MQM in previous posts. You are newbie, it doesn’t mean you start concluding about others on basis of one or two posts. This is an immature attitude.
Also, you mentioned loss of my friend, and how could you
Are you alright? Was that not you who said:
You talked Ishtiaq Azhar’ s treatment, I lost my best friend to internal conflict in MQM during the Haqiqi days.
I think you take rest. IF you expect you should not be replied of what you write then better don’t participate. I also ask u to go thru archive of this blog to learn what ACTUALLY i know about MQM.
Adnan, it is not a matter of attention.
It is about your ridiculous complain of people using Quranic and Urdu terms to describe Imran Khan’s kartoots. Either don’t act like mini Farhat Hashmi on KMB or stop complaining about the use of Quranic terms in politics.
Kids who memorize Quran know this word, women and children who listen to Qira’at on TV hear this word, so who are your trying to protect from this naaray bazi or city walls?
P.S. I am against all kind of graffiti on walls.
@First I am not a newbie and i dont need your insight on local and world affairs to form my opinions. i have experienced the lot….
As for you I think you were never in MQM my guess is you were always a Jamaatee, all this, is just an adopted personna.