Ramadan Special

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Spotted this hand written banner at a fabric shop in an upscale mall today. This is no news. It has been a long set practice. When it comes to ‘giving away’, we pick the inferior items which can ‘fill’ up the volumes so to speak. Do you think this is just another demonstration of the deep rooted hypocrisy that ails us as a people? Or do you believe that the more unfortunate ones ‘go along well’ with the second-class stuff anyway? Would we not just give what we use for ourself?

43 Comments so far

  1. JayJay (unregistered) on August 28th, 2007 @ 4:35 pm

    You don’t hand over your pay pocket to the poor but only a few coins of change. One’s own needs come first.

    PS: Please leave Ramzan, the traditional word, for the month as it is – why Arabicise it more. Next we will be asking all Ramzan Alis and Mohammad Ramzans to change their spellings to Ramadan?


  2. Kashif (unregistered) on August 28th, 2007 @ 4:42 pm

    I believe Ramzan should be pronounced Ramadan as it is the correct word. We have developed this habit of transforming words in our lingo which strongly comes back to us when we recite Quran or pray. Like people say ‘zuaalin’ instead of ‘dhuaalin’ when reciting Al-Fatiha.


  3. Faisal (unregistered) on August 28th, 2007 @ 5:33 pm

    “Arabicise” ??

    Jayjay…it’s an Arabic word…I don’t see how you can “Arabicise” it any more…

    People here love to be overly critical, don’t they?


  4. seskey (unregistered) on August 28th, 2007 @ 5:42 pm

    Charity is from spare change and at will.

    ZAKAT is COMPULSORY, MANDATORY, skipping ZAKAT is GUNNAH.,


  5. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on August 28th, 2007 @ 5:52 pm

    @TeeEmm: *legal* hypocrisy. Sooner we will see, “Ghareebo k liye qurbani k janwar yahan se khareedain”.

    JayJay, you just need some reason to troll, don’t you? Such lame souls will preach to translate Dennis Quaid,ac actor to Dennis “Qayed”(Quaid as Jinnah) because this is how we spell “Quaid” in urdu? Show your obsession with Urdu where it’s necessary.


  6. Salman A. (unregistered) on August 28th, 2007 @ 7:59 pm

    I firmly believe that the fortunate ones should donate in the form of currency so the unfortunate ones could buy, eat, invest, or play lottery with that money.


  7. Balma (unregistered) on August 28th, 2007 @ 8:03 pm

    * JayJay:

    PS: Please leave Ramzan, the traditional word, for the month as it is – why Arabicise it more.

    **** Finally, kisee aur kay dil may bhee Urdu kaa dard uThaa. The pronounciation in India/Pakistan is Ramzaan, not ramadan. This is a website about a city in Pakistan, lets stick to desi styles. Ever since Pakistanis started going to Middle East and America (where Islamic centers are staffed by arabs), they have picked up ramadan, salah, blah,zakah, blah, niyah, ummah,blah, i.e. blah blah blah
    This is KMB, not DubaiMB or JaddahMB. Furthermore, this is also not DeobandMB or JamahMB so their followers should not try to take over KMB as well.

    All you Deobandis are welcome to move to Afghanistan or Arabia.


  8. Salman A. (unregistered) on August 28th, 2007 @ 8:24 pm

    @balma,
    Is there some kind of amnesty going on in those coutnries for Deonbandis? Just wondering :)


  9. Balma (unregistered) on August 28th, 2007 @ 8:43 pm

    Deobandis and Afghanistan kaa choli-daaman kaa saath hae. For Urdu challanged people, blouse & shawl kaa saath hae! And, deobandis aur Arabia kaa chaDDi banyaan kaa sath hae. The founder of Deoband had escaped to Mecca around 1857 turmoil. He got influenced by Wahabi teachings, made a deal with the British (just like Wahabis and Saudis made a deal with British) and came back to found Madarsaa Devband. The deal was that he will stick to religeous education. British kaa kyaa jaataa thaa, agar koee musalmaano’n kee qismat ko Dubonay kaa baiRah uTThaa rahaa thaa. They welcomed him!
    Varnah kisee trouble maker kee majaal thee keh India vaapis aataa?


  10. hira khan (unregistered) on August 28th, 2007 @ 8:51 pm

    let them do what they are…atleast they are doing something


  11. Balma (unregistered) on August 28th, 2007 @ 9:05 pm

    Hira,
    It will be preferable if deobandis didn’t do any thing.


  12. Alam (unregistered) on August 28th, 2007 @ 9:24 pm

    whats the translation of deobandis? Ghost whores?


  13. Salman A. (unregistered) on August 28th, 2007 @ 9:25 pm

    i thought deobandis were those who followed Molana Asharaf Thanvi’s shcool of thought.. He was a great scholar any way.. and if one tries to mix Laal Masjid with Deobandi, he/she would sound like the mentally retarded right wing extremists of CNN and Fox news crap..


  14. Alam (unregistered) on August 28th, 2007 @ 9:56 pm

    @Salman

    “Molana Asharaf Thanvi’s was a great scholar”

    Have u ever read “Bahishti zaiwar”….what a bunch of crap and jokes !


  15. memon Hatim Taye (unregistered) on August 28th, 2007 @ 10:12 pm

    Aur agar ham log ramjan bolay tou kissi ko keya talkeef ? Ramjan ramjan ay, 29 ya 30 days ka hota hai aur gahak log ka chamra utarnay ka nawa idea har sal hona chahyeah – tum loug nak ko ghuma kar pakarnay ke keyon kosis kartay ho

    tum mai sab half bay namaji half 4 rakat walay ho, batain aysee kartay ho jaysay zia ulhaq, islam ka thaykay dar mai shahrat lagaoun, yahan 50 % ko Surrah kafayroon yad nahi ho gi., chalay ho debandi, baravli aur ramjan ke baat karnay … charya loug


  16. memon Hatim Taye (unregistered) on August 28th, 2007 @ 10:15 pm

    Aur agar ham log ramjan bolay tou kissi ko keya talkeef ? Ramjan ramjan ay, 29 ya 30 days ka hota hai aur gahak log ka chamra utarnay ka nawa idea har sal hona chahyeah – tum loug nak ko ghuma kar pakarnay ke keyon kosis kartay ho

    tum mai sab half bay namaji half 4 rakat walay ho, batain aysee kartay ho jaysay zia ulhaq, islam ka thaykay dar mai shahrat lagaoun, yahan 50 % ko Surrah kafayroon yad nahi ho gi., chalay ho debandi, baravli aur ramjan ke baat karnay … charya loug


  17. Salman A. (unregistered) on August 28th, 2007 @ 10:35 pm

    Dear Alam,
    honestly, i did read some chapters of that book and found each and every topic so well explained and easy to understand. the book tells how simple our religion is and how conveniently we can apply its teachings to become a better human being. As for jokes and crap, please let me know which chapter and page number are you referring to? who is the publisher? and what year was that particular copy published? i have had the opportunity to work for some technical conference in a foreign country and I do know how to verify the authenticity of a book or a research paper..


  18. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on August 28th, 2007 @ 10:47 pm

    Since ramadan is 15 days away, prices of goods are going high. Rice is Rs.60+/Kg.


  19. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on August 28th, 2007 @ 10:59 pm

    @Salman, if some Arts students try to say lame things about physics then it doesn’t mean there is some issue with physics, the issue would be with the person who was mentally not capable to comprehend the basics of Physics. Such people are easily ignored because they just seek reasons to overcome their mental infertility. I belong to Barelvi family and I know what kinda “Halla Gulla” is preached in barelviat in the name of religion. Such people naturally would react if someone tries to poke in their fantasy world.


  20. Salman A. (unregistered) on August 28th, 2007 @ 11:30 pm

    Hey Adnan, my friend, I have a question for you, since you mentioned about Brelvis..

    Does Molana Ahmed Raza Brelvi allow music and ‘Halla Gulla’ in the name of Islam? I think he never did.. What do you think?

    I am a book bound person who tries to seek knowledge from books and not from daily life.


  21. Balma (unregistered) on August 28th, 2007 @ 11:37 pm

    Alam et al,

    I have read Beheshti Zevar quite a bit. I bought a copy at Frere Hall book fair a few years ago.
    Maulana Thanvi did belong to Bevband school of thought (based on my discussion with others). I have discussed Beheshti Zevar elsewhere on KMB, and perhaps you can google KMB under ‘balma’ (i.e. yours truly) and Beheshti Zevar to see my views on that. As I have said, even a buree cheez can sometimes lead to something good. Beheshti Zevar had its value in its time and place (backward UP Muslim women of early 20th century) and Mr. Thanvi has lots of words of wisdom for them, from sending telegrams to using postal stamps to herbel medicine. Obviously, with good came some crap as well.
    It will be sufficient to say that Beheshti Zevar did play a role in some education of some Muslim women of some areas. People have actually done PhDs on researching that book. No, not some desi Mullah type idiots, but open minded outsiders.

    And as I have said elsewhere, even stupid Madrassas have done some good, keeping Urdu alive in the sub-continent. If we didn’t have madrassas and the Panjabi mafia of Bombay movie industry, Urdu would have been dead by now.


  22. Balma (unregistered) on August 28th, 2007 @ 11:42 pm

    As for Salman A.’s request for a joke from Beheshti Zevar, first please google my earlier comments on this at KMB and note Mr. Thanvi’s believe that Syeds and Shaikhs are better than Mughals and Pathans. Obviously, we don’t believe that in this day and age, esp when you realize that most syeds couldn’t possibly (mathematically speaking) be descendents of Hazrat Ali….well, that is another discussion.

    So, yeah, Mr. Thanvi does have some funny stuff, but then which book does not have funny stuff. I write funny stuff too. Would you believe every thing I write?


  23. memon Hatim Taye (unregistered) on August 28th, 2007 @ 11:58 pm

    balma tum memon ho ? koyee memon hai iss Karachi Memon Blog par ya nahi ??


  24. Salman A. (unregistered) on August 29th, 2007 @ 12:00 am

    Balma, you said:
    Would you believe every thing I write?

    Would make more sense if you replace “every” with “any” :)

    Just kidding. I love KMB :)


  25. Balma (unregistered) on August 29th, 2007 @ 12:04 am

    Memeon agar iss blog per aa gayae toe KArachi kaa bijnuz kaun chalaayae gaa? Hats off to Memons!


  26. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on August 29th, 2007 @ 12:11 am

    Salman, I was also criticizing people who say they follow certain thing rather source. When people went away from Orignal Religion then they can also go away from their maslak.

    I was watching GEO street program in which host was asking,”What is shab-e-barat”, apart from many ignorant and funny responses, one woman replied that the night when Prophet(Saw) went on MOON! I am still in shock after experiencing quality ignorance by people who chant themselves as MUSLIMS and criticize all those who try to correct them.


    I am a book bound person who tries to seek knowledge from books and not from daily life.

    This is good but as I always say that you always need a mentor just like you need a mentor in other businesses of life. Without a mentor, you could be misguided.


  27. Balma (unregistered) on August 29th, 2007 @ 12:33 am

    Also, Salman A., it was Maulana Qasim Nanutwi who founded the famous madrassah at Devband, near Saharnpur in India.
    It is he who escaped to Mecca and then was allowed back by Britishers. He is one of the few who were allowed back. How many came back from Kala Pani, not many! I believe that Qasim Nanutwi was allowed back because he promised to keep real education out of Madrassas. Otherwise, where were the builders of Taj Mahal and Lal Qila educated. Obviously, in some schools…..Muslim run schools and Hindu run schools. It is only with Devband that we see total separation of education and religeous stuff. How come 150 years later, Christian madrassahs such as Karachi Grammer Madrassah (KGS is/was affiliated with some Anglican church) and Vali Joseph Madrassah (catholic christian madrassa also called St. Joseph School) of Karachi are so much in demand, and no educated person wants to send their kids to Muslim madrassah?

    Right now these wahabi influenced or funded or middle east returned or US ISlamic Center brainwashed are slowly trying to implement Ramadan vs Ramzaan, pretty soon it will be tongue twisting thummaa against our good old summaa aameen!

    Down with Mullahs!


  28. SS (unregistered) on August 29th, 2007 @ 12:39 am

    woww, and I thought Americans claim that they are the first landed on moon, HaH.


  29. alam (unregistered) on August 29th, 2007 @ 12:39 am

    I have read BZ about 20 years ago, and it was even a joke then.

    There is one onlive version here

    http://www.islamsa.org.za/library/books/bzewar/part1/supplement_to_bahishti_zewar.htm#Wom

    no reason to doubt its authenticity, because it is by a khadar-daan. Based on that, ur reading womne’s blog posts here is also a gunaah, So salman bhai, get lost


  30. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on August 29th, 2007 @ 1:05 am

    balma, Yeah I experienced your so called educated _muslim_ fraternity on GEO who didn’t know when QUran was revealed. Infact jews would have more knowledge about revelation of Quran than people of your cabal who don’t know “alif bay” of what they chant every where(like you). you are not different than that “MOhammad Akram”. He’s running Messiah movement while you have lost you health to survive Urdu in “Land of KMB”.

    Maybe you are that “Messiah” which he has been expecting for long? Carry on kid! The “couple” is really very entertaining!


  31. Salman A. (unregistered) on August 29th, 2007 @ 1:13 am

    @alam,
    Thanks for the leg work but to me the link is more like Christiane Amanpour’s translation of Sura’e Baqara.. and you asked me to get lost, so Good Bye, I wont reply to your comment again :)


  32. KhitoMiss (unregistered) on August 29th, 2007 @ 1:45 am

    Amir liaquat performing a program from Qabristan(Graveyard) while sitting in a grave. I guess media people and himself lost their mind.


  33. Balma (unregistered) on August 29th, 2007 @ 1:53 am

    Adnan, you should be happy that many people don’t care about when Quran was revealed. Otherwise, they might put things in perspective and realize that many Quranic stories were important at the time Quran was revealed, but not any more except as a history lesson. You should also gloat that not many muslims read quran with translation. You will be horrified if kids learn the meaning of words like zaani and naajaaiz aulaad when they learn the meaning of Quran. What would you do if your 5 years old
    asks: abaa abaa, yeh zaani kyaa hotaa hae?

    Muhammad Akram ko many CNG ricksay per biThaa kar seventh heaven bhaija thaa, his rickshaw’s CNG ran out and he can not find a way to come back. Enjoy while he is stuck at the seventh sky.

    And, regarding your couple comment: please stop reading Hazrat Lut’s story from Quran all the time. That leads you to have gay thoughts.

    And, if you would listen to me carefully, I believe Muhammd Akram is a Christian who keeps talking about this Masiah business to convert Muslims. I am surprised that you haven’t been able to pick that up, yet.


  34. CHIPMUNX (unregistered) on August 29th, 2007 @ 5:30 am

    “Vali Joseph Madrassah”

    Balma Baboon agar bachpan me teray maa baap nay tumhay urdu parhai hoti to tojhay pata hota k “Vali” Arabic word hay jes k mani DOST k hain but lagta ha tumhe paida kar k gale may chaor dia gaya.

    gadhay urdu may zyda tar alfaz FAARAN zabano k hain jaisa k Arabic,Farsi aur turkish zaban kay. kio apna maa baap k mati paleed karta rahta hay. barai meharbani kahin aur jakar gand macha taray honay sa boht badboo hogai hay.


  35. CHIPMUNX (unregistered) on August 29th, 2007 @ 5:32 am

    “Vali Joseph Madrassah”

    Balma Baboon agar bachpan me teray maa baap nay tumhay urdu parhai hoti to tojhay pata hota k “Vali” Arabic word hay jes k mani DOST k hain but lagta ha tumhe paida kar k gale may chaor dia gaya.

    gadhay urdu may zyda tar alfaz FAARAN zabano k hain jaisa k Arabic,Farsi aur turkish zaban kay. kio apna maa baap k mati paleed karta rahta hay. barai meharbani kahin aur jakar gand macha taray honay sa boht badboo hogai hay.


  36. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on August 29th, 2007 @ 11:43 am

    Balma, I must thank you that finally you exposed what belief do you follow which is offcourse not Islam because a “Muslim”[emphasis added] doesn’t dare to mock quran like you did. I wouldn’t ask what kinda “belief” you follow because I know people like you,JayJay or Alam are coward enough that they don’t expose what they want because they know about the fragility of their beliefs.


    they might put things in perspective and realize that many Quranic stories were important at the time Quran was revealed, but not any more except as a history lesson

    @balma:Allah had already informed Muslims for cult like you. Read below((Quran 25:4-6):


    And those who disbelieve say, “This [Qur’an] is not except a falsehood he invented, and another people assisted him in it.” But they have committed an injustice and a lie.
    And they say, “Legends of the former peoples which he has written down, and they are dictated to him morning and afternoon.
    Say, [O Muhammad], “It has been revealed by He who knows [every] secret within the heavens and the earth. Indeed, He is ever Forgiving and Merci

    Since you have so called Urdu phobia, I write in Urdu as well:


    اور کافر کہتے ہیں کہ یہ (قرآن) من گھڑت باتیں ہی جو اس (مدعی رسالت) نے بنالی ہیں- اور لوگوں نے اس میں اس کی مدد کی ہے- یہ لوگ (ایسا کہنے سے) ظلم اور جھوٹ پر (اُتر) آئے ہیں


    اور کہتے ہیں کہ یہ پہلے لوگوں کی کہانیاں ہیں جس کو اس نے لکھ رکھا ہے اور وہ صبح وشام اس کو پڑھ پڑھ کر سنائی جاتی ہیں


    کہہ دو کہ اُس نے اُس کو اُتارا ہے جو آسمانوں اور زمین کی پوشیدہ باتوں کو جانتا ہے- بےشک وہ بخشنے والا مہربان ہے

    When I used to read similar verses and other about old people, I used to wonder whether such people exist in modern world? Quran was revealed aruond 1500 years back and some of the things mentioned at that time in Quran were ANCIENT for Muhammad(Saw) era too but when I see people like you then I am forced to believe that whatever mentioned in Quran is applicable in today’s humans as well.

    Those who think that Most of Islamic and Quranic things are not applicable today are imaginary retards and ignorants. They don’t know that the creator of ancient people and modern people is same that is Allah and despite of so much evolution in Human race due to religions or moral and social rules, the nature(Khaslat) of Human is same and can’t be changed. Man can just improve his way of life but can’t Nature which is given by Allah. People of ancient times used to feel hunger and thirst, we feel same. And this is something which is not un-usual or Godly only. Many made things follow same principles as well. Microsoft’s Operating Systeme evolved from DOS to Windows Vista but they all follow same nature(Khaslat) that is to provide a medium of communication between softwares and hardwares by introducing memory management system and other things. OSes evolved from text based to GUI but they all follow same “KHASLAT”.

    I know these things are hard for you like rocket science. Your lame comment that kids shouldn’t read translation because they would ask the meanings of “Zaani”, I am not a father but I do know that kids don’t need an excuse of Quran to quest you about anything. What would you and your wife would say to your kids if they ask,”Abba mey dunya mey kaisa aya?”, there is no Quran involved here, whatever would be your answer would reflect what you were taught by your elders.

    I usually prefer to ignore you but since you have been exposed about your belief which in Urdu is said as “Billi Thalay se bahar agaye”, I would just quote another verse which was revealed to deal ignorants like you and would try to follow it for you.

    (Quran 6:68-69)

    And when you see those who engage in [offensive] discourse concerning Our verses, then turn away from them until they enter into another conversion. And if Satan should cause you to forget, then do not remain after the reminder with the wrongdoing people.And those who fear Allah are not held accountable for the disbelievers at all, but [only for] a reminder – that perhaps they will fear Him

    for your Urdu phobia:


    اور جب تم ایسے لوگوں کو دیکھو جو ہماری آیتوں کے بارے میں بیہودہ بکواس کر رہے ہوں تو ان سے الگ ہوجاؤ یہاں تک کہ اور باتوں میں مصروف ہوجائیں- اور اگر (یہ بات) شیطان تمہیں بھلا دے تو یاد آنے پر ظالم لوگوں کے ساتھ نہ بیٹھو
    اور پرہیزگاروں پر ان لوگوں کے حساب کی کچھ بھی جواب دہی نہیں ہاں نصیحت تاکہ وہ بھی پرہیزگار ہوں

    So don’t kill yourself if your lame rants are ignored. Offcourse your babbling about Quran or Islam doesn’t matter much to others. As I know, “Asmaan par thooka Moo par ata hay”. So keep spitting as it’s messing with others.

    Hope you would have learnt lots of things including URDU “Mohawaray”. Have fun kid! *grin*


  37. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on August 29th, 2007 @ 11:49 am

    s/it’s/it is not


  38. memon Hatim Taye (unregistered) on August 29th, 2007 @ 12:37 pm

    islam islam islam :) janaja nikal deiya islam ka sirf 2 rakat mai.

    angrez nai nanatavi ko conditional return deya tha kai tum islam ka Church version pesh karo aur woh kamyab ho gai


  39. Imran (unregistered) on August 29th, 2007 @ 1:33 pm
  40. Ahmed (unregistered) on August 29th, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
  41. MIKE (unregistered) on August 30th, 2007 @ 6:20 am

    Talking believing in ancient stories and books, I, for one, still believe in Santa, Tooth Fairy, ghosts, etc. The argument employed by Mr Adnan Siddiqi is no different to saying that Musharraf is the best thing happened to Pakistan because it says so in The Line of Fire. Should I quote page 119, 257 and 322 of the book?


  42. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on August 30th, 2007 @ 12:11 pm

    Mike, if your society compare Bush with Jesus then I can’t help you out. This is something with not Muslims. We don’t mock Jesus by coming up things like “Piss Christ”. Therefore, don’t bother yourself to compare your belief with mine. In your society, one could edit Wikipedia version of Bible to justify homosexuality. *grin*


  43. Alam (unregistered) on August 31st, 2007 @ 10:38 am

    @ADNAN
    “In your society, one could edit Wikipedia version of Bible to justify homosexuality. ”

    In pakistan (FATA, particularly), ppl offer fajar prayers , and then have sex with 12 years old kid, forcibly, and then go on their business. Sometimes, they prance around with these small kids. Everything , off course justified by Islamic society, in a clintonian “dont ask, dont tell policy”



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