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		<title>By: Unapathetic</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the case of my umra, i didnt know how it worked I was all looking fwd to &quot;getting ready&quot; when I found I am already immunized... so i learned we should also get used to learn the ways of paperwork and how proper legal stuff works. I don&#039;t let other people handle my papers and processes now, and have asked my bank manager to hold classes to instruct females in particular to be smarter with their banking. 

Many people are pushed around by smarter folks who tell them how to handle paperwork. 

It&#039;s not useful to blame THEM (American, aliens, fate, other people) for everything. We have things to take care of and lessons to learn. 


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the case of my umra, i didnt know how it worked I was all looking fwd to &#8220;getting ready&#8221; when I found I am already immunized&#8230; so i learned we should also get used to learn the ways of paperwork and how proper legal stuff works. I don&#8217;t let other people handle my papers and processes now, and have asked my bank manager to hold classes to instruct females in particular to be smarter with their banking. </p>
<p>Many people are pushed around by smarter folks who tell them how to handle paperwork. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not useful to blame THEM (American, aliens, fate, other people) for everything. We have things to take care of and lessons to learn.</p>
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		<title>By: Unapathetic</title>
		<link>http://karachi.metblogs.com/2007/09/16/criminal-or-gullible/comment-page-1/#comment-43444</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EXcuse me for the continued rant, but there&#039;s something very important that I share with as many ppl as I can: 

Pakistanis have a way of indulging in petty crimes abroad. Claiming fake insurance, rebates, damages... etc. Rich or poor, that&#039;s the way of the pakistanis. How can we make 500USd extra? How can we take advantage of the trusting Americans who will coolly accept our story about being robbed, and replace our goods thanks to insurance? If it can happen, we will try it just to prove we are smart. b/c that&#039;s the destiny of a people who have no self-respect, no izzat, no purpose, and only the capacity to quote the Holy Books and persons without shame. I still never stop being shocked at how some people BOAST they swindled others and consider it great brain-work. A more common attitude outside Karachi - so maybe the audience here might not readily recognize this status symbols of more feudal-minded Pakistanis. 

Ayway. We as a nation have a tendency to help out in lying and deceit. Fake certificates, fake recommendations, fake medical check-ups before leaving for Umra (which my travel agent did for me once, but never upon my life am i going to the Haram as a liar again!), covering up for lying and cheating and deceiving friends - it doesn&#039;t bother most of us at all. 

&lt;b&gt;What many people dont realize is that each such activity is tracked, and added to their composite profile.&lt;/b&gt; Credit card companies were never fooled, btw, when we used other people&#039;s cards to order stuff online. The truth was that a few years  ago, the cost of reaching, arresting, and charging a criminal was much higher than the theft or fraud they were involved in. So CitiBank never slept, it simply watched until the threshold was crossed.

Each time a person says something incriminating, involves in such petty crimes, or engages in mindless conversations with strangers, they are contributing towards their profile. (Haan ji! I say all __________ should be killed! Aik dafa hi maar do! Mera toh khud dil chahta hai! - can get you in trouble. Believe it or not, there are listeners and informers everywhere now, which is how many people are being arrested before they commit a crime, just because they expressed a wish to Kill Bill.)

The Western Intelligence agencies have for years used a system much similar to what is now Orkut/ Facebook. They have profiles of a person, to which they add any known contacts of that person, and activities of the person. Just like Orkut. If a person&#039;s network starts showing too many dangerous friends, they are marked down as being a potential threat. 

This system was only previously not shared amongst agencies, which is how some criminals slipped between the info gaps, but the systems are quickly integrating. Think NADRA - also funded heavily for the same purpose, to have ONE INTEGRATED ID for each citizen - required for efficiency as well as security.

Global corporations are already paying global central trackers to profile our each and every move, and government can now subpoena this information.

It&#039;s stupid - completely stupid - in such a situation for people in tech-sophisticated countries like the USA to be helping out friends with illegal stuff - such as pretending to be in the country when they are not. 

Just warn your brothers and sisters abroad to curtly deny all assistance to anyone who wants them to claim even a lost wallet on their behalf. Apart from terrorism, this was always a trackable offense, only it was too costly to run after every such petty theft. But they know. And so should any wanna-be gangsta hero(ine).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EXcuse me for the continued rant, but there&#8217;s something very important that I share with as many ppl as I can: </p>
<p>Pakistanis have a way of indulging in petty crimes abroad. Claiming fake insurance, rebates, damages&#8230; etc. Rich or poor, that&#8217;s the way of the pakistanis. How can we make 500USd extra? How can we take advantage of the trusting Americans who will coolly accept our story about being robbed, and replace our goods thanks to insurance? If it can happen, we will try it just to prove we are smart. b/c that&#8217;s the destiny of a people who have no self-respect, no izzat, no purpose, and only the capacity to quote the Holy Books and persons without shame. I still never stop being shocked at how some people BOAST they swindled others and consider it great brain-work. A more common attitude outside Karachi &#8211; so maybe the audience here might not readily recognize this status symbols of more feudal-minded Pakistanis. </p>
<p>Ayway. We as a nation have a tendency to help out in lying and deceit. Fake certificates, fake recommendations, fake medical check-ups before leaving for Umra (which my travel agent did for me once, but never upon my life am i going to the Haram as a liar again!), covering up for lying and cheating and deceiving friends &#8211; it doesn&#8217;t bother most of us at all. </p>
<p><b>What many people dont realize is that each such activity is tracked, and added to their composite profile.</b> Credit card companies were never fooled, btw, when we used other people&#8217;s cards to order stuff online. The truth was that a few years  ago, the cost of reaching, arresting, and charging a criminal was much higher than the theft or fraud they were involved in. So CitiBank never slept, it simply watched until the threshold was crossed.</p>
<p>Each time a person says something incriminating, involves in such petty crimes, or engages in mindless conversations with strangers, they are contributing towards their profile. (Haan ji! I say all __________ should be killed! Aik dafa hi maar do! Mera toh khud dil chahta hai! &#8211; can get you in trouble. Believe it or not, there are listeners and informers everywhere now, which is how many people are being arrested before they commit a crime, just because they expressed a wish to Kill Bill.)</p>
<p>The Western Intelligence agencies have for years used a system much similar to what is now Orkut/ Facebook. They have profiles of a person, to which they add any known contacts of that person, and activities of the person. Just like Orkut. If a person&#8217;s network starts showing too many dangerous friends, they are marked down as being a potential threat. </p>
<p>This system was only previously not shared amongst agencies, which is how some criminals slipped between the info gaps, but the systems are quickly integrating. Think NADRA &#8211; also funded heavily for the same purpose, to have ONE INTEGRATED ID for each citizen &#8211; required for efficiency as well as security.</p>
<p>Global corporations are already paying global central trackers to profile our each and every move, and government can now subpoena this information.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s stupid &#8211; completely stupid &#8211; in such a situation for people in tech-sophisticated countries like the USA to be helping out friends with illegal stuff &#8211; such as pretending to be in the country when they are not. </p>
<p>Just warn your brothers and sisters abroad to curtly deny all assistance to anyone who wants them to claim even a lost wallet on their behalf. Apart from terrorism, this was always a trackable offense, only it was too costly to run after every such petty theft. But they know. And so should any wanna-be gangsta hero(ine).</p>
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		<title>By: Unapathetic</title>
		<link>http://karachi.metblogs.com/2007/09/16/criminal-or-gullible/comment-page-1/#comment-43443</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*Should they be holding the same conversations now, 56% of Pakistan would get under house arrest.*

I say this b/c to those who dont yet know - all conversations on phones, cellphones, sms, internet emails etc - are being tracked officially. Then theres unofficial eavesdropping. DONT discuss money, personal affairs, political imaginations, and kill bill fantasies unless youre ready to own up to them. Esp talks baout money should be made in person and rude people who ask stupid personal questions like another post in KMB mentioned should be cut off. I learned a trick: ask back, Why do you want to know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*Should they be holding the same conversations now, 56% of Pakistan would get under house arrest.*</p>
<p>I say this b/c to those who dont yet know &#8211; all conversations on phones, cellphones, sms, internet emails etc &#8211; are being tracked officially. Then theres unofficial eavesdropping. DONT discuss money, personal affairs, political imaginations, and kill bill fantasies unless youre ready to own up to them. Esp talks baout money should be made in person and rude people who ask stupid personal questions like another post in KMB mentioned should be cut off. I learned a trick: ask back, Why do you want to know?</p>
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		<title>By: Unapathetic</title>
		<link>http://karachi.metblogs.com/2007/09/16/criminal-or-gullible/comment-page-1/#comment-43442</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot has happened since 9/11. Facts need to be separated and seen individually in each case. Lumping together all things into the INNOCENT or GUILTY basket is not the answer.

What happened after 9/11 was that a lot of younng men (and maybe women) started having delusions of graduer. Like the kick one feels after watching Kill Bill. They started imagining themselves to be martyrs and heroes and what not, and the conversations were crazy after 9/11. 

The truth is that for a week, until the horror of 9/11 - and the realization of US anger sank in - there was a lot of &quot;NOW america will understand how it feels.&quot; Even though ppl around the world want to disown it now like it never happened, but this was a feeling around the globe. Its the kind of behavior that the only good-looking rich snob in the class faces when they trip and fall.

Global governemnts were NOT supporting the USA - and the next thing we know, they are attacked also, and join US in fear - another story which will always be a mystery to global citizens like us: i.e. why do Al Qaeda make the case against them stronger?

Meanwhile many Pakistanis started imagining they wre in the big bang bang movie, tearing down buildings, filling hearts with terror. They did and said a lot of stupid things. Should they be holding the same conversations now, 56% of Pakistan would get under house arrest. 

While friends support Paracha out of god faith, we never know. Was he just starring in his mental glorious movie? Was he really involved? Or was he innocent?

We have to face the possibility that amongst us are people who are funding bombings, funding the likes of people in Lal Masjid - another case which grew dangerous with support from high-up benefactors until it burst in the nation&#039;s face.

As a Muslim, and a human being with common sense, we have to take a moral stand. Blind following and support doesn&#039;t cut it. Who amongst us is financing and supporting crime and terror? Could they be our friends, b/c influential people have frineds and a social circle? What is the stance that we should take? What should our reaction be to every conversation in which a friend seems to be supporting crime and terror? It&#039;s not a joke. 

The citizens shouldnt sleep-walk themselves into supporting or opposing anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot has happened since 9/11. Facts need to be separated and seen individually in each case. Lumping together all things into the INNOCENT or GUILTY basket is not the answer.</p>
<p>What happened after 9/11 was that a lot of younng men (and maybe women) started having delusions of graduer. Like the kick one feels after watching Kill Bill. They started imagining themselves to be martyrs and heroes and what not, and the conversations were crazy after 9/11. </p>
<p>The truth is that for a week, until the horror of 9/11 &#8211; and the realization of US anger sank in &#8211; there was a lot of &#8220;NOW america will understand how it feels.&#8221; Even though ppl around the world want to disown it now like it never happened, but this was a feeling around the globe. Its the kind of behavior that the only good-looking rich snob in the class faces when they trip and fall.</p>
<p>Global governemnts were NOT supporting the USA &#8211; and the next thing we know, they are attacked also, and join US in fear &#8211; another story which will always be a mystery to global citizens like us: i.e. why do Al Qaeda make the case against them stronger?</p>
<p>Meanwhile many Pakistanis started imagining they wre in the big bang bang movie, tearing down buildings, filling hearts with terror. They did and said a lot of stupid things. Should they be holding the same conversations now, 56% of Pakistan would get under house arrest. </p>
<p>While friends support Paracha out of god faith, we never know. Was he just starring in his mental glorious movie? Was he really involved? Or was he innocent?</p>
<p>We have to face the possibility that amongst us are people who are funding bombings, funding the likes of people in Lal Masjid &#8211; another case which grew dangerous with support from high-up benefactors until it burst in the nation&#8217;s face.</p>
<p>As a Muslim, and a human being with common sense, we have to take a moral stand. Blind following and support doesn&#8217;t cut it. Who amongst us is financing and supporting crime and terror? Could they be our friends, b/c influential people have frineds and a social circle? What is the stance that we should take? What should our reaction be to every conversation in which a friend seems to be supporting crime and terror? It&#8217;s not a joke. </p>
<p>The citizens shouldnt sleep-walk themselves into supporting or opposing anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Unapathetic</title>
		<link>http://karachi.metblogs.com/2007/09/16/criminal-or-gullible/comment-page-1/#comment-43441</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paracha studied w me, and... while some of his other friends raved about him and his absolute devotion to his lady , I didnot find him trustwable in financial dealing. He was a little shady. That&#039;s my expereience and nothing to do with what i later learned through TIMe or was it newsweek? That he was arrested etc.

In graduate school, he created a TV program about the internet for which he shot a few episodes. Each episode was topical, on subjects like internet for education, Islam on the internet, etc etc. He was well off, ppl knew... but he didnt pay the researchers the fee he promised. Even though he filmed the programs and was abt to air them. 

So i never really trusted the guy since. 

On another note now, prisoner treatment in G-bay is inhumane, whether they are guilty or not. That&#039;s a different matter, and maybe I wont say FREE PARACHA b/c i remember (not sure) that he had helped some alleged bombers in KHI. If that&#039;s true, he has to deal with the consequences. BUT - his rights as a human and a prisoner remain and he has a right to a free and fair trial, and civilised treatment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paracha studied w me, and&#8230; while some of his other friends raved about him and his absolute devotion to his lady , I didnot find him trustwable in financial dealing. He was a little shady. That&#8217;s my expereience and nothing to do with what i later learned through TIMe or was it newsweek? That he was arrested etc.</p>
<p>In graduate school, he created a TV program about the internet for which he shot a few episodes. Each episode was topical, on subjects like internet for education, Islam on the internet, etc etc. He was well off, ppl knew&#8230; but he didnt pay the researchers the fee he promised. Even though he filmed the programs and was abt to air them. </p>
<p>So i never really trusted the guy since. </p>
<p>On another note now, prisoner treatment in G-bay is inhumane, whether they are guilty or not. That&#8217;s a different matter, and maybe I wont say FREE PARACHA b/c i remember (not sure) that he had helped some alleged bombers in KHI. If that&#8217;s true, he has to deal with the consequences. BUT &#8211; his rights as a human and a prisoner remain and he has a right to a free and fair trial, and civilised treatment.</p>
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		<title>By: IUnknown</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol @ CHI PA LEE

Brain not found ... sounds very similar to file not found 

@alam: ramzan main tu sawab ziada ho jata hay.. we earn sawaab whole year 

last chance tu us ka hay which has not GOD and no brain ,hence .. 
take that</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol @ CHI PA LEE</p>
<p>Brain not found &#8230; sounds very similar to file not found </p>
<p>@alam: ramzan main tu sawab ziada ho jata hay.. we earn sawaab whole year </p>
<p>last chance tu us ka hay which has not GOD and no brain ,hence ..<br />
take that</p>
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		<title>By: ALAM</title>
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		<dc:creator>ALAM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 02:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ramzan Mubarak, Musalmano !

Earn as many sawab as possible...this might be your last chance, hahaha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ramzan Mubarak, Musalmano !</p>
<p>Earn as many sawab as possible&#8230;this might be your last chance, hahaha</p>
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		<title>By: Chi Pa Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chi Pa Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Alam: tu apni choonch band kare ga ya doo tujhe do char chapaire? Badmaash kahin ke! Teri ghunda gardi nahi chale gi.

@IUnknown: yaar time barbaad na kar is khabees per. He is like a cancer in humanity. Whatever information has been given to Alam has entered his head and desperately searched for his brain. But Alam&#039;s brain was nowhere to be found. Therefore, don&#039;t waste anymore of your precious time on him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Alam: tu apni choonch band kare ga ya doo tujhe do char chapaire? Badmaash kahin ke! Teri ghunda gardi nahi chale gi.</p>
<p>@IUnknown: yaar time barbaad na kar is khabees per. He is like a cancer in humanity. Whatever information has been given to Alam has entered his head and desperately searched for his brain. But Alam&#8217;s brain was nowhere to be found. Therefore, don&#8217;t waste anymore of your precious time on him.</p>
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		<title>By: IUnknown</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>duh!!
the ppl who &quot;DID&quot; bombing at london (a.k.a 7/7), had their pakistani passports in their pockets.
do u believe it?? 

If they can have paki passports in their pockets, then y not AQ&#039;s license and other docs !!

Sounds soooooo stupid. A person, who went to do bizness , was arrested as an Alqaida memeber. wat a shame on lamers!!
Has alqaida started his business developement deprt. now??/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>duh!!<br />
the ppl who &#8220;DID&#8221; bombing at london (a.k.a 7/7), had their pakistani passports in their pockets.<br />
do u believe it?? </p>
<p>If they can have paki passports in their pockets, then y not AQ&#8217;s license and other docs !!</p>
<p>Sounds soooooo stupid. A person, who went to do bizness , was arrested as an Alqaida memeber. wat a shame on lamers!!<br />
Has alqaida started his business developement deprt. now??/</p>
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		<title>By: ALAM</title>
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		<dc:creator>ALAM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 01:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@SILVER

if he was forced under duress, then how come the AQ&#039;s driving license, papers were recovered from Parach&#039;s possession? How do u explain this?

I am not saying Americans might not have erred here, but lets not say they arrested an angel here. There might be more innocents in Gitmo then him.

Lets not put &quot;the touch of humanity&quot; here by saying his &quot;girlfriend&quot; got married to someone else. (not sure who should I sympathise with? him or the gf? )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@SILVER</p>
<p>if he was forced under duress, then how come the AQ&#8217;s driving license, papers were recovered from Parach&#8217;s possession? How do u explain this?</p>
<p>I am not saying Americans might not have erred here, but lets not say they arrested an angel here. There might be more innocents in Gitmo then him.</p>
<p>Lets not put &#8220;the touch of humanity&#8221; here by saying his &#8220;girlfriend&#8221; got married to someone else. (not sure who should I sympathise with? him or the gf? )</p>
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