A Bit Of Beating And The Criminal Goes Free.
Around a couple of week ago I heard about a Mullah getting beaten-up right after Mughrib prayers in vicinity of Gulshan-e-Iqbal Near Iqra University Gulshan campus. At First I thought it might have been an outcome of some personal grievances as in Ramadan people usually tend to get short tempered but with time and a few casually asked curious questions with the area people revealed the chilling story behind this seemingly ignorable incident.
This house is a corner house by the road, and it’s outside lawn is covered with an iron grill. Small plants lining the grill provide a considerably good camouflage. It is where this mullah was spotted sexually abusing a 7 year old child behind the cover of the plants by a few area people.
After giving the mullah a good beating and some questioning it was learned that the kid belonged to a nearby Kachi Abbadi. The Mullah and the child were taken to the victims house where the child’s father begged the people not to take matters to the police. The victim belonged to a poor Bengali family his father had no faith in the legal system. He told the people he can’t afford to lodge an FIR or to fight the case in courts. Besides it was a mater of “shame” and he did not want any publicity.
The Mullah, who belonged to the mosque located in the same kachi abbadi was asked to leave the area within four hours and never to return, he was set free. The next day the victim’s family too left their house, disappearing to an unknown location.
In our city Child Sexual Abuse (CSA) is a common crime. Sadly the underprivileged and street children are more vulnerable to become the target of CSA but this crime surely is not limited to the street kids. Children from all areas, belonging from families of all financial status fall pray to CSA. According to some unofficial stats a child is subjected to CSA every two hour in the Pakistan, more than 90% of these cases go unreported. The need is to break the taboo associated with such criminal activities and discuss such issues socially. We must stop accusing the victims and start spreading awareness of such crimes, take preventive measures and make sure that such criminals are taken to the court so they don’t target other innocent children.
For more information on Child Sexual Abuse please visit www.sahil.org
Great Post!
Its very sad incident! an incident like this should require a Somo whatever action from the government !! and the maulvi himself should be turned to police ! if not then stoned to death !!
these horrid incidents are increasing day by day !! specially involving maulvis ! this is really pathetic!
i read somewhere that some students from BANORIA TOWN madrassah have been diagnosed with AIDS, there are reports that students there have gay relationships with their room/class mates.
ANY CLUE???
Mullahs are abusing the whole nation for sixty years, what’s new. Why can’t we send them back to pethankot or deoband? They did not want this country in the first place anyway.
jermaine jackson on embracing ISLAM
http://www.despardes.com/People/jermaine.html
Pathetic
Does any one who has a beard is Mullah? You guyz should be ashamed of your-self, calling him Mullah.
Did you investigate that he taught at a Madrassah or was a student at a Madrassah?
Pls stop calling any one who has a beard as Mullah
OK, don’t accuse me of dragging religion in here, but why is that most sex freaks have religous backgrounds?
And while we are at it, lets discuss two types of child abuse:
1. Indoctrination of supernatural views
2. Sex abuse
Brainwashing children is like sex abuse with them. Many pedophiles delude themselves into thinking that child is amazing and he/she is enjoying. The thinking pattern is same b/w these two abusers
@ Sicko!!
read the whole post first !!! and then comment!
third paragraph first line
“The Mullah, who belonged to the mosque located in the same Kachi abbadi ……..”
THIS THREAD RAISES MANY QUESTIONS:
“the child’s father begged the people not to take matters to the Police … had no faith in the legal system.”
1. What kind of PREDATORY SOCIETY are people in Pakistan living in, where the people have ZERO TRUST in the Police/Law?
“it was a matter of (shame) and (he) did not want any publicity.”
2. What kind of VALUE SYSTEM does our society have?
…how does the criminal conduct of the pedophile bring shame to the (child) victim
…and what kind of parent puts their confort zone before the interest of their child & lets the criminal who harmed their child walk away?
“…was asked to leave the area within four hours and never to return, he was set free.”
3. The pedophile is walking the streets (a free man) and the abused (child) did not receive his justice. EVERY CHILD DESERVES TO BE PROTECTED AND LOVED. The system failed this child, the law failed this child and his parents failed this child. I can only imagine that one day, when he grows up, he will ask “Who was supposed to protect him?”. WHO WILL GIVE HIM THAT ANSWER?
MORALITY COP - Yes I stand by that I placed info on this blog, it is less the 4 weeks back.
You can check out - with SHO Newtown and SSP Jamshed Office of that report.
The matter is always hushed by because of Political Stigma, Islam at risk.
And why is that Mullah spared, he should have been shot in head between eyes. - I have no mercy for such people. spared means he is free and Free to commit the act again.
SICKO - Darhi (beard) is perfect legal cover for all Haram Pai going on since Zia era.
Things are not changing, they are getting worst.
Beard means - WOLF in Sheep skin, I have trusted my road broaming Jamadar many times asking him to watch the car when my daughter is sitting in it and leave my Little Daughter alone in car.
BUT - when Moulana comes to teach her Sipara, the Mom no matter what she has to sit across the window and keep a watch on MOULANA - MULLAH
(we couldn’t find a lady for that so we hired moulana after screening 9 people)
Never Trust a Mullah, even with your SHIT.
They worth some hundred only on Nikkah Day with a Tiffin full of Food, & For Namaz Janaza, That is all
Inn sai bara HARAMud Dahar Pakistan mai exist nahi karta
The correct spelling of ‘reviled’ in this context should be ‘revealed’.
Also, you have used randome capitalization of words in the middle of sentences which is wrong. It also makes it harder and more confusing to read. (SOME examples: ‘Near’, ‘Kid’, ‘Child’ and ‘Victim’. Also Urdu words like ‘Mullah’ and ‘Katchi Abadi’ do not need to be capitalized. You can italicize them if you wish since they are transliterations from Urdu but capitalizing them makes absolutely no sense.
The correct spelling of ‘reviled’ in this context should be ‘revealed’.
Also, you have used random capitalization of words in the middle of sentences which is wrong. It also makes it harder and more confusing to read. (SOME examples: ‘Near’, ‘Kid’, ‘Child’ and ‘Victim’. Also Urdu words like ‘Mullah’ and ‘Katchi Abadi’ do not need to be capitalized. You can italicize them if you wish since they are transliterations from Urdu but capitalizing them makes absolutely no sense.
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@ Imran: Well said, I totally agree with you .
A sad story of the sad demise of this country’s judicial system and socio-religious values, thank you for raising this issue Jamash. I’d hate to generalize too of course, but the fact that certain lunatics prefer to hide their inner lunacy behind a misleading shadow of religious sanctimony and that time and again, they get away with it, is a sad but grim reality that we can no longer live in denial about. I hope that justice is brought the aggrieved, and that more importantly, some one some where, takes notice of this, and do something about its underlying cause.
It is also a duty of parents to discuss with a child,
I would nt call it a sex education but a little conversation so that the child would notify them if he or she is ever touched inappropriately by a relative or a stranger.
* Pls stop calling any one who has a beard as Mullah
**** Please understand the word Mulla is quite appropriate here. It is a term of ridicule. Also, if you notice, in Urdu the world mulla is always used in negative:
1) Mulla kee dauR masjid tak
2) doe mullao’n may murhhi haraam
etc. etc.
In other words mulla is quite appropriate if you want to insult someone. In fact, all these fazlu type should be refered to as mullas.
The terms of endearment and respect in Indo-Pak culture are maulana and allamaa….e.g. allama Iqbal (Ph.D. Germany), Allama Mashriqi (Math grad Cambridge Univ), Maulana Muhammad Ali (Oxford masters).
People who are chore uchakaas, have unkempt beards, politcal frauds like sami-ul-haq and fazlu should indeed be refereed to as mulla. The word Mulla refers to their jahalat.
OK, don’t accuse me of dragging religion in here, but why is that most sex freaks have religous backgrounds?
I guess only religious teachers are acceptable to be alone with a kid because people trust them and it’s a perfect cover.
This happened in Karachi, you guys can’t comprehend what happens in Tribal areas where women can’t go out and most men come to plains for livelihood and some nuts take advantage of kids there. No wonder Mullhas don’t want any developement in Afghanistan and in Tribal Pakistan afterall then they have to give up Heroine business and their pleasure too.
Mullahs seems to have the best of the two worlds - fun here and there too. They exploit people’s blind faith in religion and, therefore, in anything associated with religion (including predatopry mullahs) to the hilt. The fault does not lie with the mullahs but with the people who put their trust on the merchants of ignorance. As Jamash has rightly pointed out it is parents responsibility and that of larger society to protect their children against the meance of sexual abuse. We should not confuse the issue by disputing the use of term mullahs for criminals. Whoever is in the business of religion is a mullah.
It is pity that this particular criminal mullah has been set free. He will surface in another masjid to resume his predatory activities with a virtual impunity (what is a kick or two on the butt afterall and that too when and if he gets caught, which is rare).
The issue should be brought into the domain of public discussion and tacled head-on through an awareness campaign and by strengthening of legislative measures to bring the criminals to the book and providing support and counselling to the victims and their families.
Such accidents happened in every society including Christianity,Hinduism,Judaism,Qadyanism etc etc. In short it has obviously no relation with any religion.
The point is , how and why one has to trust in story made up by Jamash, the author who recently got infected by toxic liquor and shared in last post and abused everyone who he despises?
Jamash, tell me why one has to trust your words blindly? Or should I say that those who are trusting you are no different than those illetrate religious zealots who believe in “Sajjada nasheen” more than a God? Where’s the source of Info? you just said, “I heard“- Is KMB a place of sharing spicy Gossips? If yes then I also have Lots of such stories that how accessive usage of Alcohol made few guys out of senses and hey comitted in cest in areas like Clifton and Defence.. Umar, will you allow me to share all such stories which I also *heard* many times?
If it was all about gaining scores then you’ll always attract like minded people on any forum. offcourse I shouldn’t get surprised if some day you start bowing infront of Salman Rushdie and declare him your Godfather.
Better luck next time.
What I actually read most that most of sexual harassment cases happened in different shrines/private rooms(Khanqhas) of Pakistan where some PeerSaab called on some woman in “Takhliya” and shows his Karamat. Several parhay likhey jaahil who believes in more such shrine people also suffer when they experience the abusement of their family women who go to such places and ask Dua for Aulad-e-Narena. Peersaabs take full advantage of such opportunities and enjoy moments with his Mureed or Mureedni.
I never heard any such pir faqeer was ever arrested by officials. How could they when we have Makhdooms and “GaddiNasheens” in form of Faisal Saleh Hayat,Amin Fahim who always took advantage of their “Gaddi”.
One should read BLASPHEMY by Themina Durrani, former wife of Ghulam Khar and present wife of Shahbaz Sharif, the novel beautifully exposes such PirFaqeer who make fool villagers in the name of Islam.
How disturbing. I feel sick after reading the stats on CSA. Damn!!
These sexual abuses are not only headed by these fake PEER fakeers but unfortunately students of some madrasas are also subjected to this shaful act by their mentors. How different then our preachers are from the Christain or Hindu priests?
with this blazing speed of understanding who a mullah is , may be few years later you guys will be referring guru nanik as mullah guru nanink, or may be mullah abraham lincoln rehmatullah. Its a pity that we don’t clear our understanding about islam, islam does not say to believe in everything a bearded man will say. But we do, and if such a bearded man cheat on us we start whining about all beard man are cheaters. we should be responsible of our own deeds. if you don’t trust a moulvi then offer your prayers behind the one you trust. and please don’t put blind faith in anyone.
regards
Dear Ammar, real world is very different your imaginary world :-)
Well in most societies people are educating kids about these henious crimes BUT when we point out then some self appointed Moralists come to rescue the criminals. These things can happen anywere and by anybody BUT Relgious teachers do it more frequently as its their perfect cover.
We can only prevent it by educating a kid. Parents and especially Mothers should tell them about it. Though best place is school but most kids never goto schools. Again its time to raise nation’s literacy level.
Adnan,
You are right it can happen anywhere and it does but don’t defend the Mullhas as you also know about it. I guess a while ago you mentioned it in Earthquake related post how in NWFP and Kashmir kids are routinely exploited.
To All,
I like to add statistics shows mostly kids are abused by people who they trust. It could be anyone near them from teachers to their relatives and mostly are Men. What happens among adult is another story BUT to safeguard our kids who are our future is nation’s responsibility. Saying it happens everywhere will not solve the problem but identifying it will surely lead to some solution.
To All,
Don’t make it a Mullah bashing post; make it a child abuser bashing post please.Statistics shows mostly kids are abused by people who they trust. It could be anyone near them from teachers to their relatives and mostly are Men. What happens among adult is another story BUT to safeguard our kids who are our future is nation’s responsibility. Saying it happens everywhere will not solve the problem but identifying it will surely lead to some solution.
no i didn’t mention anything regarding earthquake or anything. are you still sleeping?
I am not defending anyone. Anti-Mullahs are not saints and I have seen them involved more in filth than anyone else yet people like you never accepted it ,infact you people encouraged them more.
I’d like to stop that mullah-bashing. CSA happens in madressahs and mosque as well as english schools, truck stands, and under the bridges over these nullahs we have here. The religious factor is very much there also, not only in Pk but you people should know the cases with largest punitive damages paid were those in which catholic priests were involved in CSA.
I’d like to stop that mullah-bashing. CSA happens in madressahs and mosque as well as english schools, truck stands, and under the bridges over these nullahs we have here. The religious factor is very much there also, not only in Pk but you people should know the cases with largest punitive damages paid were those in which catholic priests were involved in CSA.
Adnan,
If you have valid points then you don’t need to get personal but alas you don’t.
I remembered about your comment because it surprised me coming from you but to jog your memory here what you said,
what “Immoral Activities” farhat was mentioning..sigh,it was nothing but the activites which were common at the time of Prophet Lut(AS),that is instead of women,they were fond of men,they used to keep small children for such sick act.
these are not my words,but things i heard by heard by many people,regarding why lots of children and innocents died,if two above mentioned points are true ,m sure not the whole community would be sinner, Read More here
PS. If it’s not for the secular people all the pro religion will have fight with each other until there is only one faith left in the world. I’m all for fighting but for equal human rights.
Sorry for duplicate submission but last comment was incomplete please feel free to remove it.
Adnan,
If you have valid points then you don’t need to get personal but alas you don’t.
I remembered about your comment because it surprised me coming from you but to jog your memory here what you said,
what “Immoral Activities” farhat was mentioning..sigh,it was nothing but the activites which were common at the time of Prophet Lut(AS),that is instead of women,they were fond of men,they used to keep small children for such sick act.
these are not my words,but things i heard by heard by many people,regarding why lots of children and innocents died,if two above mentioned points are true ,m sure not the whole community would be sinner, Read More here
PS. If it’s not for the secular people all the pro religion will have fight with each other until there is only one faith left in the world. I’m all for fighting but for equal human rights.
Gosh it’s weird it happened again. But I guess it was due to a bug I think i”ve fixed it.
Adnan,
If you have valid points then you don’t need to get personal but alas you don’t.
I remembered about your comment because it surprised me coming from you but to jog your memory here what you said,
what “Immoral Activities” farhat was mentioning..sigh,it was nothing but the activites which were common at the time of Prophet Lut(AS),that is instead of women,they were fond of men,they used to keep small children for such sick act.
these are not my words,but things i heard by heard by many people,regarding why lots of children and innocents died,if two above mentioned points are true ,m sure not the whole community would be sinner, Read More here
PS. If it’s not for the secular people all the pro religion will have fight with each other until there is only one faith left in the world. I’m all for fighting but for equal human rights.
Neena getting personal? you must not have a good sunday today.
Hairat hey, you didn’t find following in my old posts?
I debated a scholar and beat him. Then I debated a layman and that layman beat me - he had no knowledge of the principles and texts. I had nothing to say.(Imam Shafi)
Obviiously you win since I have nothing to say. *grin*
Adnan - Tehmina Divorced Shahbaz 37 days after the registration of Marriage in New York at Muslim Association of North America headed by Dr. Mohammed Naseem - :) Proceedings for Settlement are under way. - Charges - He is no different then a feudal I have been married earlier.
She now ‘Lives’ in Austin, Texas with a former Pakistani Senator.
Neena getting personal? you must not have a good sunday today.
Personal again, but anyway Thankyou for standing up for your words *Big Grin*.
i wonder how many of us discuss such issues with our parents ,with our khalas and nannis etc? and what will the outcome be of such discussions? because i just hope and pray that we can somehow educate the people of our society and change peoples minds.
the first reaction after such a discussions from an elderly person would be “bas yeh sab to mullah logon ko badnaam karney ki saazish hai ” islam ki rah pe jo chalta hai wohi aisi harqaten karta hai america mein dekho child abuse sabse ziada hai”
and then when the discussion goes further theyll say “itni azaadi bhi achi nahi …… had ko paar nahin karna chahye aajkal to larka larkii saath mein soonay bhi lagaye hain”duh!! so what the hell let them !! nahin aise kese yeh to gunnah hai ,what gunnah man if both the parties are willing ,yes if someone rapes or abuses somebody that definetly is a criminal act and the culprit must be punished !!but no people will say both acts are same and must be equally punished!but the sad thing in our country is that none ever gets punished !!where is our country going ?
I agree with NEENA
@ Ms NEENA
You took words out of my mouth. Now I have nothing to say :(
Keep going !
@KK: what you shared your here reflects the hypocritical attitude of our society. You said:
so what the hell let them !!…..what gunnah man if both the parties are willing
and you don’t consider it ABUSE. Similarly the other party, the criminal wouldn’t have considered it bad. He might say you,”What Gunnah Man?”.
What’s the difference between you and him? Nothing, so why are we complaining for something? when we have set our own standards of “terrorism”,”harassment” and other things then nothing is left to convince others.
What’s good for you would be bad for others. What’s bad for you would be the best for others. The conflict would go on.
if President Musharraf pardon BB was the big deal.
Pardons for criminal are a major part of democracy.
Look at President Clinton’s pardons for example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardons_controversy
and who really controls Pakistan see also ISI’s contributions to pakistan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter-Services_Intelligence
this is all a drama. being played again and again all over the world in the name of democracy.
enjoy :)
That person should be punished but making this a reason to start Mullah-bashing is reflective of the disease in your hearts.
Its a general past-time in Pakistan to use derogatory terms describing people who like to follow Islam. Generally these are themselves low-lives, but they can’t tolerate the idea of society having high regards for the people who follow Islam.
You would find Altaf Hussain, Musharraf and BB in the same group of low-lives.
Long live the Mullahs- Only who truly obey Allah and his rusool.
yeah, one Nadeem.F.Paracha(desi Pat Robertson for lefts) is enuff. We don’t need more yeah, one Nadeem.F.Paracha(desi Pat Robertson for lefts) is enuff. We don’t need more <:
Bad news for Mullahs, secularism is increasing in Pakistan;
http://www.express.com.pk/epaper/Article.aspx?newsID=1100276460&Date=20071008&Issue=NP_LHE
tera kiyya banay ga kaaliyya (Mullah) ? :)
*grin*
American report. Another American report said that Mush is popular in 48% people of Pakistan. It also published in today’s express. I think they just replace the world “Musharraf” from “Secular” and published the report. :-)
A maulana of Jamat-e-Islami wanted to raise money for his mosque and on being told that there was a fortune in horse racing, decided to purchase one and enter it in the races, thinking it as a one off sin for the larger and righteous purpose.
However at the local auction, the going price for horses was so high that he ended up buying a donkey instead. He figured that since he had it, he might as well go ahead and enter it in the races. To his surprise, the donkey came in third! The next day the local paper carried this headline:
“MAULANA’S ASS SHOWS!”
The maulana was so pleased with the donkey that he entered it in the race again, and this time it won. The paper read:
“MAULANA’S ASS OUT IN FRONT”
Qazi Hussain Ahmad was so upset with this kind of publicity generated by his party member that he ordered the maulana not to enter the donkey in another race. The paper headline read:
“QAZI SCRATCHES MAULANA’S ASS”
This was too much for Qazi Sahib, so he ordered the preacher to get rid of the donkey. The maulana decided to give it to a mualima in the girls madrassa next door to the donkey for the extension work taking place there. The paper headline the next day read:
“MUALIMA HAS BEST ASS IN TOWN”
Qazi fainted. He informed the mualima that she would have to get rid of the donkey, so she sold it to a farmer for $10.00. Next day the headline read:
“MUALIMA SELLS ASS FOR $10.00″
This was too much for Qazi Hussain, so he ordered the mualima to buy back the donkey, lead it to the plains where it could run wild and free. Next day, the headline in the paper read:
“MUALIMA ANNOUNCES HER ASS IS WILD AND FREE”
Qazi Sahib was buried the next day.
Here is some relted News item.
Child abuse cases on the rise in Sindh
I agree with NEENA. The first thing is to socially discuss and recognize that the problem exits. Remove all the associated taboos. Try to discover the underlying causes. Legislate and prausecute. Arrange Psyhcological help for the victims as well as the perpetrators.
This is easier said than done in a society that has a habit of sweeping things under the rug.
Blaming the Mullahs and washing our hands off responsibility is an easy way out. Remember its the victims who are most likely to become the perpetrators. A small child goes in a Madressah and comes out as an adult Moulvi, he is what this world has made him.
Reality Check said:
“Remember its the victims who are most likely to become the perpetrators”
To further his thought
Watch movie “mystic river”
by Sean penn, Tim Robin & Kevin bacon
@Jamash: If you have access to the community and possible access to the child or his family, please forward this to them:
LHRLA is a local NGO that takes up child abuse cases with police and the courts. I personally know of several cases successfully resolved and taken to a logical end through them.
On top of it, it is all free and there is enough protection and secrecy available for victims as well.
Contact info is at http://www.lhrla.com
It seems like all the bastards whose parents couldnt afford a Maulana for their nikah to consolidate have this grunge against the bearded community ….
My friend the religion you claim you follow is also founded by a series of bearded prophets, unlike you clean-shaven hemaphridites and eunches, the followers of Pharos & Cirus (Firoun-e-Misr & Khusro of Persia).
May Allah give hidaya’a to all of us.
Hasan Zuberi,
Please don’t associate beard with Muslims. It has no religeous significance. There is no place in Quran where it is said that Muslims should have beard, nor is beard even mentioned any place in Quran except in one place as a negative.
Yes, prophets had beards, but that was the style in those days. In fact, if we had prophets today, I bet they would have been using razor or electric shave.
Even though I hate beards, but if you like them, I would say go for it….. but don’t claim any thing Islamic about them.
And Hasan Zuberi bhai jee, it is hidayat, not hidaya. The K in KMB is for Karachi, not Kuwait :-)
@BALMA
Please don’t associate beard with Muslims. It has no religeous significance. There is no place in Quran where it is said that Muslims should have beard, nor is beard even mentioned any place in Quran except in one place as a negative.
negative? what do you mean?
Hasan Zuberi (I hope not the LMB one) said
It seems like all the bastards whose parents couldnt afford a Maulana for their nikah to consolidate have this grunge against the bearded community ….
My friend the religion you claim you follow is also founded by a series of bearded prophets, unlike you clean-shaven hemaphridites and eunches, the followers of Pharos & Cirus (Firoun-e-Misr & Khusro of Persia).
May I ask who give you a right to call others names while you yourself can’t be decent. BTW we are still talking about the relgion whoes Prophet’s never said a word to those who throwed rocks at hime even his shoe was filled with blood. So religion is not about Pysical appearence but it’s about spritual health which I guess you lack.
SAM:
I was referring to the story in Quran where Hazrat (sorry - you ain’t gonna get hadrat from me) Musa pulls Firaun’s beard as a kid.
I meant pulling someone’s beard is quite negative, at best neurtal. Does not imply that Muslims should have beard. There is no reason to follow Firaun in this case.
To my knowledge, this is the only reference to beard in Quarn.
With the name of Allah, the All-Merciful, the Very-Merciful.
[20:94]
He said, “O son of my mother, do not hold me by my beard, nor by my head. I feared that you would say, ‘You have caused discord among the children of Isrā’īl and did not observe my advice.’”
@Balma
I don’t know about the story which you are reffering … by the way nobody is following firaun in this case…. but Unfortunately I think you never read Hadeesh which are about Beard…..
The Prophet (saws) said: “There will emerge from the East some people, who will recite the Quran, but it will not exceed their throats, and who will go out of the deen of Islam as an arrow passes through the game. They will never come back to it unless the arrow comes back to the middle of the bow by itself (i.e. impossible!). The companions asked, “What will their signs be?” The Prophet (saws) said: “Their sign will be the habit of shaving off of their beards”.
Thus the keeping of beards is a Sunnah of the Prophet (saws) and every Muslim must strive to keep a beard, if his model is indeed the Prophet of Allah (saws). He will get his due reward from Allah, Insha Allah, if he keeps the beard to follow the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allah (saws).
Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 33 Surah Ahzab verse 21:
There is indeed the best model for you in the Messenger of Allah, for every such person who looks forward to Allah and the Last Day, and remembers Allah much.
Ibn `Umar related that the Messenger of Allah (saws) said: “Differ from the polytheists: let your beards (grow), and shave your moustache.”
Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.
And i don’t want to make a debate about Hadrat and Hazrat but there is something which is called “Transliteration” ..khair …..Anyways you have your own philosophy which doesn’t work and imply everywhere….
@Neena
If one adorns himself with the clothing and appearance of righteousness, one will be constantly reminded that he is in the uniform of Islam and it does not befit or behoove a person in uniform and on duty to transgress the laws of Allah and His Messenger (saws). For example, if a man sporting a Sunnah beard were to drink wine or approach ‘zina’, his appearance should immediately strike and make him remember that he is in the uniform of Islam and on active duty, and it does not behoove him to transgress the boundaries of Allah and His Messenger (saws).
http://e-iqra.com/v2/pages/booksCat.php?id=12
http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15806
SAM :
The first hadees you guote and your deduction from it totaly bewildered me. Totally unrelated deduction, if you ask Balma. Also, the way Mullas take one line from quran and another from so-called ahaadees and then make a khichree from that - this is total non-sense.
And, puleeze, don’t get into this hadees business. Aisee aisee hadees nikaal kar laao’n gaa, keh Khuda (I meant allah) kee panah.
Also, it is not the transliteration of the word Hazrat. I am complaining about its abnormal pronounciation as Hadrat - from Indo-Pak persepective. Also, if we start saying ‘d’ for avery zoay, read the short passage I wrote in Urdu to see how ridiculous it will become. daroor paRho!
I mean zoaad, not zoay.
Hadees main na parho?…..acha tou aik kaam karna mujhe Quan ki ayaat se har namaaz main kitni rakaat hain zara bata dena…..
and by the way its transliteration warna urdu main Zoaad ki jagah is ko (za) se likha jata
Aisee aisee hadees nikaal kar laao’n gaa??…..aese hi hota hai jab kisi ko ahadeesh ki Importance na maloom ho
SAM dude: I know where this is going!
My mashvarah: why don’t you ask all the Sunni factions: the four main ones, then deobandis and barelvis, then all shia factions such as 12 imaams, 7 imaams, X imaams, ismailis, bohris, etc etc. this question about number of raka’ats?
Once You come up with a number, then we can have a good discussion here.
Regarding zoaad vs zoay vs zaal vs zay, or toay vs tay, or seen vs suaad: In general in Urdu, i beleive and I could be wrong here, we follow the way it was written in the original language….but the pronounciation has been adapted to suit our languages in Pakistan and India. Imagine how funny it will be to say in Urdu: Hudoor, mae abhi haadir huaa. That is the point I am trying to make. The mullah types and Dubai palaTs are trying to change Urdu pronounciations hoping they will get more savaab by saying hadrat instead of hazrat.
Continuing the same thread, should totaa (parrot) be with ‘toay’ or ‘tay’? Just want to have language related discussion, so no savab-gunnah type discussion here! Any takers?