The effects of October 18, 2007.

http://karachi.metblogs.com/archives/images/2007/10/newsweek-thumb.jpg

(image found on Cloudkhizzy, verified on newsweek.com)

The events of October 18, 2007 have left a painful memory in the hearts and minds of many people. This image, shows what reputation it has brought us as a collective nation.

Thank you very much.

84 Comments so far

  1. Zee (unregistered) on October 27th, 2007 @ 6:48 am

    Seriously… these guys look like Zombies from Resident Evil!


  2. ash (unregistered) on October 27th, 2007 @ 9:25 am

    vaisay to put things in perspective pakistan unlike iran and afghanistan has nukes although they cant get beyond india …so in a way pakistan is one of the most dangerous countries in the world since we do have what is pretty much a civil war going on with religious extremists versus everybody else.
    What makes us all angry is the biased representation of karachi which is in no way an extremist stronghold but dont expect newsweek to know or care about the difference.
    If the US Media had any honesty the US wouldnt be in iraq today and they are yet to find the balls to show pictures of their returning coffins …in contrast, they have yet again fallen behind the republicans drum beat propaganda re. iran.
    As long as we are just ‘the most dangerous country” and not the “axis of evil” i am happy.


  3. Neena (unregistered) on October 27th, 2007 @ 11:11 am

    Militants behead law-enforcement men in public

    BTW, who is controlling that area. Just gruesome and why do they call themselves Maulana and no one from Mullah party protests against it, after all they are in charge of NWFP. We need to find a solution of this alarming problem, denying it won’t make it diappear.


  4. Neena (unregistered) on October 27th, 2007 @ 11:21 am

    I means *disappear*.


  5. JayJay (unregistered) on October 27th, 2007 @ 6:30 pm

    The problem of terrorism is troubling many countries. Let us take the examples of two countries confronted with the issue of their soldiers being kidnapped and killed, and civilians bombed.

    Country One: The whole nation rallies around the government, despite intense political differences that have been plaguing the country. Massive rallies, with national flags everywhere, are taken out in cities and towns alike on daily basis to egg the government on to take a full military action against the terrorists. The government seeks the approval of the country’s legislature, which usually displays intense divisions on political issues, to mobilize military against terrorists and attack a neighbouring country where the suspected sanctuaries of terrorists lay. The assembly votes for the resolution overwhelmingly. There is no division or apologies when it comes to terrorism. The whole nation is behind its government and military.

    Country Two: Despite being the biggest target of terrorists, with the presence of the hatcheries of hate and terrorism an open secrete, the country dithers, dawdles, thinks, considers, considers again, takes half-hearted actions, reviews, then retracts and withdraws, keeps on losing grounds to terrorists meanwhile. Rather than uniting against terrorism and pressurizing the government to act, people of the country do everything to act as if everything is hunky-dory and ‘subb achcha hai” in their nagri. People discover foreign hands, blames so-called agencies, shoot messengers, shrug off the obvious, curse their bad image (not thinking image is the reflection of reality); do everything but to accept the reality and do something about it.

    The countries are Turkey and Pakistan. Naturally, both countries are creating different futures for themselves.


  6. ShahidnUSA (unregistered) on October 27th, 2007 @ 8:05 pm

    One thing for certain, in this day and age you cannot “isolate” yourself from rest of the world.

    “Religion” may be your way of life but it doesnt have to be mine or the next persons and vice versa.
    Lets chew on that first.


  7. SELF (unregistered) on October 27th, 2007 @ 8:43 pm

    Talking of nuclear states, while US so vehemently opposes acquisition of nuclear know how by any state, not least Iran and North Korea, it has no problem whatsoever with Pakistan’s proven nuclear offensive capability. What does this imply?

    a) Is Pakistan so well in the US pocket that US is not expecting any problem from Pakistan’s nuclear capabilities?

    b) US wants Pakistan to go out with a bang (in a manner of speaking) at some point?

    c) It’s a pressure mechanism for both Indian and Pakistani people, similar to that applied to people of west and soviet union in the earlier decades. Experience shows that public is more open to changes under this sort of pressure and it’s a reality that since both India and Pakistan have openly conducted nuclear tests, both countries have virtually opened their doors to the western influences.

    My own bet is on point c.


  8. Mr. Indian (unregistered) on October 27th, 2007 @ 11:26 pm

    >So? It offends me when a Christian calls Jesus; son of God >or a Hindu calls an Idol; God but I don’t go round asking for >apologies. Offence, to me, is not a right but unfortunately >inevitable owning to varying beliefs. Learn to live with it.

    This is a joke given that only islam starts with obnoxious words “there is no god but ALLAH and Mohd is his last prophet”. Who gave the F right to muslims saying that
    Allah is the only god. Have they ever seen him. Does
    he even exist. If he exists, then why is he allowing
    muslims to remain so backward and beaten by infidels.

    Gosh, muslims have time and again shown to have a skin thinner than a film roll, and they talk about tolerance/offence.


  9. IMRAN (unregistered) on October 27th, 2007 @ 11:37 pm

    @MR. INDIAN:
    here is “you Vs 1.3 billion” people..

    Sir, i dont say that you are an idtiot or a complete moron but please use common sense and think again…

    1.3 bilion CAN’T be wrong if they all agree on one point so please stop pulling your hair and more importantly get a life :)


  10. SELF (unregistered) on October 27th, 2007 @ 11:57 pm

    Mr. Indian: It’s just a matter of saying. As a matter of fact I am not offended by anyone’s beliefs, absolutely. Their beliefs are theirs and my beliefs are mine, why would I be offended by anyone else’s beliefs. But primitive people need primitive examples hence my comments.


  11. SELF (unregistered) on October 28th, 2007 @ 12:29 am

    @Imran: Is 1.3 billion the total population of the world?


  12. Mr. Indian (unregistered) on October 28th, 2007 @ 2:22 am

    >1.3 bilion CAN’T be wrong if they all agree on one point so please stop pulling

    what sort of logic is this? There was a time when everyone believed that sun revolved around earth or earth is flat?

    also non-muslim population of the world is more than the muslim population. Are they all wrong (applying your logic).

    Lastly unless you have absolute proof that each and every muslim believes in that crap “there is no god but allah”, you have to retract your statement, however stupid it is. There are many muslims who are muslim for name sake only and that list is only growing as they realize what islam is and how useless allah is.


  13. ash (unregistered) on October 28th, 2007 @ 5:29 am

    mr indian i am totally for people being allowed to disagree with each other ..but you have your facts wrong. Islam is the FASTEST growing religion in the world its not dwindling as you suggest. It is already the worlds second largest religion and will soon be the largest.


  14. Mr. Indian (unregistered) on October 28th, 2007 @ 6:46 am

    @ash,

    islam is not the fastest growing religion the way you are trying to imply. It is the fastest multiplying religion in the world because the birth rate of muslims is FAR higher than others.

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2054rank.html

    As for converts to Islam, while muslims like to chest-thump new converts to islam, they never talk about those who leave islam. Africa alone is losing 6 million muslims per year to Christians. The figure is pretty high in UK too.
    So I would take any claim of Islam being #1 religion with the handful of the needful.

    BTW, in US, where I live, majority of muslim converts are black men in jail who convert out of it the few months after they are out of jail. Go figure.

    Also muslims conveniently include immigration by muslims to west in the rate of growth, which is clearly a fraud.

    I agree Islam is #1 in one thing: It is the most ridiculed religion in the west. Talk show radio shows, number of web sites, TV programs like Oirelily show all show what the west thinks of Islam.


  15. NB (unregistered) on October 28th, 2007 @ 7:08 am

    Mr Indian, your opinions are pretty bigoted, and what you’re implying with respect to African American converts is downright racist. I agree that an opinion doesnt become a fact just because 1.3 billion people beleive in it. But a persons faiths and opinion, be it based on Christianity, Hinduism, Atheism or Islam is entitled to some basic respect. Inane comments like ‘allah is useless’ arent really taking the discussion forward.

    And frankly, the discussion of which religion is ‘winning’ is not just pointless, its poisonous. Twisted notions of what constitutes ‘victory’ have led Pakistan to where it is today. Muslims and non-muslims on this blog would do better to say that were all winners if more people are driven to civility by their individual conciences, whether that chooses to manifest it self through Islam or any other faith.


  16. NB (unregistered) on October 28th, 2007 @ 7:10 am

    Mr Indian, your opinions are pretty bigoted, and what you’re implying with respect to African American converts is downright racist. I agree that an opinion doesnt become a fact just because 1.3 billion people beleive in it. But a persons faiths and opinion, be it based on Christianity, Hinduism, Atheism or Islam is entitled to some basic respect. Inane comments like ‘allah is useless’ arent really taking the discussion forward.

    And frankly, the discussion of which religion is ‘winning’ is not just pointless, its poisonous. Twisted notions of what constitutes ‘victory’ have led Pakistan to where it is today. Muslims and non-muslims on this blog would do better to say that were all winners if more people are driven to civility by their individual conciences, whether that chooses to manifest it self through Islam or any other faith.


  17. BITTERBITE (unregistered) on October 28th, 2007 @ 7:25 am

    no matter what religion you follow, you just can’t call the person not belonging to your faith or religion, stupid or his/her act, stupidity.

    that is human rights 101, but then, we are talking about human beings, and not every creature on this planet is human.

    So, Mr. Indian/ALAM/SELF, show some signs of humanity now, and instead of being singled out, join our club.


  18. ALAM (unregistered) on October 28th, 2007 @ 7:35 am

    @NB

    So Mr Indian said this

    >>> BTW, in US, where I live, majority of muslim converts are black men in jail who convert out of it the few months after they are out of jail. Go figure.

    How come this is racist??? Would it be racist to say most blacks like fried chicken? Wiould it not be a general observation? Woudl it be racist to say South Asians like spicy food?

    Similarly, would it be racist to say More blacks go to jail, accept Islam in jail, and then leave it, when they r out?


  19. SELF (unregistered) on October 28th, 2007 @ 7:51 am

    “you just can’t call the person not belonging to your faith or religion, stupid or his/her act, stupidity.”

    better than declaring them wajabul qatl


  20. Mr. Indian (unregistered) on October 28th, 2007 @ 8:11 am

    “Similarly, would it be racist to say More blacks go to jail, accept Islam in jail, and then leave it, when they r out?”

    @alam – you saved keystrokes for me. thanks a bunch.

    The word ‘racist’ has lost all meaning ever since islam defenders have started using it against anyone who dares question their barbaric faith, so much so that in US, it is now considered a badge of honor if muslims call someone racist as it means they can’t answer to the logical points raised by the person.

    A free advice to all defends of islam: Never defend anything indefensible. You will end up looking like a fool.


  21. BITTERBITE (unregistered) on October 28th, 2007 @ 8:38 am

    “Never defend anything indefensible”?

    we don’t, but thanks for your advice any way :)

    =======

    “better than declaring them wajabul qatl”???

    kid, stop watching your man Osama’s video, or your CNN and FOX crap. your brain is washed to almost empty.. LOL..


  22. ash (unregistered) on October 28th, 2007 @ 10:03 am

    Mr Indian whatever you ascribe it to, muslims reproducing and migrating, black convicts converting it doesnt matter …islam is still the fastest growing religion. Conversions – yes maybe the christians have more new converts thanks to extreme poverty in africa and india but they also dont count the ones who leave the fold ..and christians are abdicating a lot faster than muslims.


  23. Mr. Indian (unregistered) on October 28th, 2007 @ 10:47 am

    @ash,

    you didn’t get it. overwhelming majority of muslims are born muslims. they don’t have choice to leave. allah was forced on to them. hence to count them to prove superiority of islam or to prove islam appeals to rational mind is stupidity beyond redemption.

    anyhow what you are trying to prove by numerical superiority? You know peacock is the national bird of india even though numerically crows are much more :-)


  24. ash (unregistered) on October 28th, 2007 @ 11:27 am

    yeah peacocks and crows have good and bad points and should learn to get along. While the dodo’s feelings are immaterial.

    Our point is this yaar …we are a huge part of the worlds population and growing so if you run around thinking we are all the taliban or OBL then its dark days my friend.

    As it happens you are in luck. Most muslims even the extra pious ones are not violent and though i grant you all monotheist faiths are particularly bigoted…we are generally not dysfunctionally so.

    Diplomacy not more confrontation is what the world needs.


  25. Mr. Indian (unregistered) on October 28th, 2007 @ 7:08 pm

    @ash,

    some poll conducted in UK and US indicate that 25% of young muslims say suicide bombing of civilians is justified under some conditions. 25% is not majority, but is not small either. Do you remember 7/11 bombings in London (which was done by folks who had origins from your beloved land of pure). For one of the bombers funeral rites in Pakistan (I think Tanveer something), 30,000 people turned up. I guess those 30,000 do not want violence.

    Do I sound sarcastic? Well I have reason to be. I just don’t take it at face value that majority of ‘non-violent’ muslims are helpless. they chose to remain silent and speak against atrocities committed by their own co-religionists in the name of useless and non-existent allah. I do know that quite a few muslims are disgusted with islamic jihad and are pretty ashamed of being born as muslims, but they remain silent out of fear. I know Alam and Self are one of those, but do they really think writing in forums or blogs will improve. They got to be kidding.

    how did mullas ended up having so much power in influencing public opinion. this is true in many islamic countries. If muslims want to improve their self, reform the religion. Stop teaching that “islam is superior”. Stop dividing the world into muslims vs non-muslims.

    Religion has no place in this century. It is a crude medival concept. No wonder developed west and even developed asian countries like Japan/Korea/China have little to do with religion.


  26. Bab (unregistered) on October 28th, 2007 @ 8:31 pm

    Mr Indian is an idiot. religion is as important now as it ever was. In the west, with the lack of moral and spiritual values, there is a search for that elusive something which will give them peace. where can yu find it? i am not at all ashamed of being a muslim, i feel morally superior and am not ashamed to say this is the true religion, that is my belief. However, I do respect other religions and I do want all to live in peace, just because 25% of the poll referred to states that some misguided persons believe in suicide bombings does not mean the relegion sanctions it! IT IS THE WRONG INTERPRETAION ESP FROM WAHABI ISLAM AND SALAFISM THAT IS THE CAUSE OF THIS as well as the state of the muslims themselves I must admit , but to hold islam responisbe is akin to saying thts some fringe christian cults which caused so much death and destruction in the US are representative of the whole of christianity, which would be totally wrong. Read some good books on Islam and educate yourself before braying your opinions please.
    Thank you


  27. Bab (unregistered) on October 28th, 2007 @ 8:31 pm

    Mr Indian is an idiot. religion is as important now as it ever was. In the west, with the lack of moral and spiritual values, there is a search for that elusive something which will give them peace. where can yu find it? i am not at all ashamed of being a muslim, i feel morally superior and am not ashamed to say this is the true religion, that is my belief. However, I do respect other religions and I do want all to live in peace, just because 25% of the poll referred to states that some misguided persons believe in suicide bombings does not mean the relegion sanctions it! IT IS THE WRONG INTERPRETAION ESP FROM WAHABI ISLAM AND SALAFISM THAT IS THE CAUSE OF THIS as well as the state of the muslims themselves I must admit , but to hold islam responisbe is akin to saying thts some fringe christian cults which caused so much death and destruction in the US are representative of the whole of christianity, which would be totally wrong. Read some good books on Islam and educate yourself before braying your opinions please.
    Thank you


  28. PAKISTANI (unregistered) on October 28th, 2007 @ 10:09 pm

    @INDIAN

    Do they ever shutup in your country.
    I would say that you are barking up the wrong tree, but that is your natural voice.
    Keep talking, someday you’ll say something intelligent.


  29. Mr. Indian (unregistered) on October 28th, 2007 @ 11:39 pm

    “i am not at all ashamed of being a muslim, i feel morally superior and am not ashamed to say this is the true religion, that is my belief.”

    Sure. One can be proud of achieving something in life, like a successful career, earning lot of money, or can be proud of being part of some religion even though personally a non-achiever. It’s a free world.

    “but to hold islam responisbe is akin to saying thts some fringe christian cults which caused so much death and destruction in the US are representative of the whole of christianity, which would be totally wrong.”

    A tree should be judged by its fruits, a school by its students. Why should islam not be judged by the action of its followers. Even though not all muslims are terrorists, all terrorists today are muslims. They freely quote the same quran about which you are so proud of. The day christians do the same quoting Bible, yes, they will be subjected to the same level of criticism what muslims are following today.

    fundamental truth: Not all religions are same. Lines like “oh all religions teach peace blah blah” is just a party line. Reality is bit different.


  30. Mr. Indian (unregistered) on October 29th, 2007 @ 4:54 am

    This is Dr. Israr Ahmed calling all Ahmediyas to be exterminated.

    http://www.youtube.com/v/PPZwkbFQ8F8

    No wonder mere mention of the name Pakistan makes the citizens of US/UK/Canada and other western countries puke with disgust.

    You paki first clean up your act. Show tolerance to your own people who disagree with you, be it Shias or Ahmediyas.


  31. Nikol (unregistered) on October 29th, 2007 @ 5:15 am
  32. ash (unregistered) on October 29th, 2007 @ 9:04 am

    mr indian please look up the interviews in tehelka on modi and the state sponosored massacre of muslims in gurat after which your nation elected him again as CM …you are noone to point fingers …israr ahmed is an idiot but he hasnt killed anyone yet.


  33. Mr. Indian (unregistered) on October 29th, 2007 @ 1:45 pm

    since when Modi is a religious leader and since when he has quoted hindu books for the killings of muslims in Gujarat.
    The nation did not elect him as CM, he was elected by his state. If India as a nation was interested in killing of muslims, the 2002 riots would have happened all over india and the death toll would have been in few millions and not few thousands.

    Modi was forced to retaliate after muslims started the provocation by killing hindus in the train. It was state
    sponsored no doubt, but it was in retaliation.


  34. Mr. Indian (unregistered) on October 29th, 2007 @ 1:48 pm

    And if I called myself Mr. American would I be entitled to criticize Dr. Israr Ahmed, or will you quote G W Bush as a murderer of muslims.
    Don’t try to chicken out. There is a reason why India is rated leagues above your land of pure.



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