Question: finding good help

In many homes in Karachi, a great deal of dependence is on the army of household workers who travel from the periphery of the city to come work as maids, nanny’s and cooks. If it wasn’t for them, life in the city for quite a few of us would be very difficult.

Still, the number one complain you hear from housewives is, where to find good help from? I was asked this question a little while ago, and couldn’t come up with an answer. So i put it out to all of you.

How did you come to know the maid/gardener/driver (any or all) who works for you, and why did you decide to hire them?

41 Comments so far

  1. Raja Islam (unregistered) on October 31st, 2007 @ 6:00 pm

    Call Michael jawaid of “Man Power” you will find mobile number on the walls around cantt.


  2. SELF (unregistered) on October 31st, 2007 @ 6:40 pm

    Since when have KMB become Wanted notice board? …and if you must why not list all your requirements in one go?


  3. pkhan (unregistered) on October 31st, 2007 @ 6:58 pm

    Tell the housewife to get down to work and take care of their responsibilities as housewife other wise get couple of more wifes to get the house work done to make them happy.


  4. ALAM (unregistered) on October 31st, 2007 @ 7:37 pm

    if the housewife is not working outside, spank her to get down on the house chores.

    Kaam chori and Harami Khori, Aur us peh nakhrai

    wah ji wah


  5. indian (unregistered) on October 31st, 2007 @ 8:00 pm

    Start a site similar to ours: http://www.babajob.com

    This was also profiled in yesterday’s NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/30/technology/30poor.html?_r=1&oref=slogin


  6. Ramla A. (unregistered) on October 31st, 2007 @ 8:31 pm

    @ Indian:

    Wow. That’s an inspiring one. There’s always a solution to a problem!

    BTW ever since Prahalad’s “Bottom of the Pyramid” strategy has really caught on, many such BOP-oriented enterprises have inspired the world.

    Bravo!


  7. Neena (unregistered) on October 31st, 2007 @ 8:42 pm

    Indian,

    It’s a great idea. Thanks for mentioning it here.

    Maybe someone out there already looking into it to implement as I know we have quite few budding computer entrepreneurs here. I think company could pass some cost to the future employer.


  8. ALAM (unregistered) on October 31st, 2007 @ 9:18 pm

    the lazy asses Pakistani women sitting at home and doing nothing, can make $$$ this way:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/31/business/worldbusiness/31butler.html?hp


  9. Neena (unregistered) on October 31st, 2007 @ 9:32 pm

    Alam,

    Due to these “Lazy House wives” millions able to feed their kids. Instead of condoning it you should fight for Household staff’s better pay and rights.


  10. Neena (unregistered) on October 31st, 2007 @ 9:41 pm

    Alam – I guess your Mom forgot to tell you to use respectful language for all human beings and divert your energy to more useful matters.

    http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=77309


  11. ME 2 (unregistered) on October 31st, 2007 @ 9:43 pm

    You don’t have a housewife, whose housewife are you advising? Hopefully he is a pathan and will soon find out.


  12. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on October 31st, 2007 @ 10:04 pm

    @Indian: Interesting Project(yet another Web 2.0 app though) but frankly speaking something ditto can’t work for Pakistan due to some reasons which I personally experienced.

    – tht Baba website relies on Google Maps which are not available for Pakistan. Only it sends Satellite images which don’ have proper visibility of routes. In 2005 I started to work on a Map based application for Karachi but I gave up due to schedule and too much manual handling. I had shared the idea with Awab Alvi only at that time because He was also interested in such apps. I am not willing to share that idea with everyone though. :)

    – Second thing is mentality of computer literate Indians seem different than Pakistanis. That is, here computer is used either by Professionals who have to do it because it’s their job and layman who either uses it for chatting and now this blogging stuff(Both have now become medium to waste time). We are still far behind to take advantage of power of computing. I am not kidding. An year back a website(Danka) was launched but I am sure hardly anyone even visit it or take advantage of it. Why? because We ain’t used to use Internet for our easiness. It’s rather used much for babbling and I am also part of such system.

    -Last but not least, Pakistani Corporates are selfish and greedy. They spend money where they find their own interest. That is they spend money on that business only who can start giving them cash in short run, have no planning for long run. Impatience can’t give you something fruitful.

    I was pretty impressed with the application made by Microsoft for relief work after Hurricane Katrina. That Application which was actually a thin client based app helped a lot to synch relief work from affected regions to base. When EQ’05 came in Pakistan, I was willing to make a Web-to-SMS based application which could be helpful to send latest info from the infected areas by volunteers who were at the place to our relif work base at PAF base Masroor(i think i reember right). My idea was to make a bi- directional system where required stuff info in infected areas could be send via SMS to a centralized websie and donors can then utilize their money accordingly. I contacted Mobilink,Telenor, Warid etc but all disappointed me. I had a friend at Mobilink who made personal effort but Mobilink in return sent me a response, “Hum ne toll free number dey tu dia hey aur kia karain?”- I said Lanat Ho and dropped the idea.

    So in the presence of all such things, we can’t have any such info in Pakistan. It’s damn easy to create a system but not easy to run and implement it. Baba website is simple but successful because it’s being maintained properly with the help of good infra structure.

    My 2 cents.


  13. Silver (unregistered) on October 31st, 2007 @ 10:27 pm

    LUMS did a really good project which goes by the name of RISEPAK … it is a web2sms system that warns people in areas where an earthquake predicted to happen… It was the finalist for Stockholm Challenge


  14. SILVER (unregistered) on October 31st, 2007 @ 10:29 pm

    @MANSOOR
    Is there a POLICY about IRRELEVANT POSTS… certainly this is your problem and not ours…

    Pay those poor people more and you will find may..


  15. br0ke (unregistered) on October 31st, 2007 @ 10:31 pm

    what is a housewife?


  16. Balma (unregistered) on October 31st, 2007 @ 10:55 pm

    * army of household workers who travel from the periphery of the city to come work as maids, nanny’s and cooks.

    ***** I wonder what you mean by periphery of the city?
    IS DHA and Clifton periphery? Lots of people belonging to this army actually live in DHA and Clifton.
    Burger-pun choRo, esp if you don’t want me to get started!


  17. Balma (unregistered) on October 31st, 2007 @ 11:48 pm

    Adnan,

    I know what you are saying, but businesses exist to make money. Not typical Pakistani style business, which is license protected, govt controlled, rishvat based, but in general business has to make money.

    If you have any good business ideas, do let me know. I am always interested in good investment opportunities.


  18. ALAM (unregistered) on November 1st, 2007 @ 1:42 am

    @NEENA

    >>>> Alam – I guess your Mom forgot to tell you to use respectful language for all human beings and divert your energy to more useful matters.

    No, she did remind me again and again. But she also hates the lazy ass housewives, and I can bet, u r in that category too.

    Look Bibi, u r not helping the poor women who work while u sit on ur fat ass. Your hubby is paying them, not u.


  19. Balma (unregistered) on November 1st, 2007 @ 1:53 am

    Oh boy, I see it coming!
    Run Alam run.


  20. Neena (unregistered) on November 1st, 2007 @ 5:05 am

    Alam,

    Typical Hypocrites strategy – if everything fails personally attack the person.

    What is the alternative I don’t see any factories where these unskilled workers can go and make money to take care of their family. Anyway still house wives are helping by letting those maids to work for them. BUT I seriously have problem with the pay scale. On the other note; if everyone were doing their chores then we were still living in jungle and men were hunting and women were cooking but we progressed from there. BTW, who says only house wives need maids? There are numerous working women and men who need their chores to be done.


  21. Neena (unregistered) on November 1st, 2007 @ 5:10 am

    Adnan,

    I hear you – been there, done that. But the money is coming into the country so don’t loose hope. Someone soon pick up on those ideas.


  22. ALAM (unregistered) on November 1st, 2007 @ 6:17 am

    @NEENA

    >>> Typical Hypocrites strategy – if everything fails personally attack the person.

    Playing victim, huh? Who started the personal attacks first, bibi?

    Yeah, working women can have maids working for them. I have no objection. But a non-working woman should do house chores herself. Same applies to a non-working man at home. no gender bias.


  23. mansoor (unregistered) on November 1st, 2007 @ 10:30 am

    neena & alam: please refrain from personal attacks and keep this a civil discussion. till now your comments have not been moderated because they contain *some* useful stuff.. however, please exercise caution.

    balma: clifton & defence do have a lot of slums located here, but that forms only a small part of the overall slums in the city, with most located towards the lyari end and northern bypass end of the city, which were the peripheries i mentioned.


  24. REALITY BITES TO BURGERS (unregistered) on November 1st, 2007 @ 11:08 am

    *comment moderated*


  25. Ali Jafri (unregistered) on November 1st, 2007 @ 11:51 am

    Cheap Labour everybody needs them whether its a BuG livin in DHA or someone livin in Nazimabad, hire dem pay dem this is how things work in Pakistan welcome to reality…


  26. Ramla A. (unregistered) on November 1st, 2007 @ 4:22 pm

    Well well, quite a bit is happening in Pakistan also, only we haven’t communicated it well.

    There are several welfare trusts which voluntarily compile data of low-wage workers and find them jobs. There is one advertised on Zaibunnisa street – I think it’s Sailani Welfare Trust? There’s yet huge room for a well-coordinated system of linking workers with jobs.


  27. Jamal Shamsi (unregistered) on November 1st, 2007 @ 7:09 pm

    @ALAM

    When do u plan to decalre yourself as grown up adult ‘male’ – am sure that will be a Happy Day for everyone around you.

    – – –

    Money coming IN – Excuse me

    Over US$800 million are siphoned OUT from Pakistan since 18th October 2007,. and counting.


  28. Neena (unregistered) on November 1st, 2007 @ 7:56 pm

    Sorry Mansoor, I’ll practice caution next time but Alam’s words “spank her” got me. I’ve witnessed many such cases where males think females are their property and use of force is OK.


  29. ALAM (unregistered) on November 1st, 2007 @ 8:48 pm

    @NEENA

    >>> I’ll practice caution next time but Alam’s words “spank her” got me. I’ve witnessed many such cases where males think females are their property and use of force is OK.

    Bibi, if u live with a roommate and she/he doesn’t clean up room/bathroom as his/her part of deal, then won’t she feel like spanking him/her?

    The same goes for a married couple living together. Its not about owning property, its more about making u realize ur part of the deal. You can’t just sit idle, and have ur hubby work like a donkey all day long, ok?


  30. Balma (unregistered) on November 1st, 2007 @ 8:58 pm

    * with most located towards the lyari end and northern bypass end of the city, which were the peripheries i mentioned.

    ***** Lyari Nadi passes through the middle of the city. How is any thing around Lyari Nadi periphery? Also, lot of cleaning has been done (and will be done) around Lyari Nadi through the city because of the Lyari Expressway, which I believe is a great project.


  31. Original-Anon (unregistered) on November 1st, 2007 @ 9:06 pm

    I wish people would stop thinking they are somehow saviours of the poor because they are hiring them for menial jobs. Don’t fool yourselves into thinking that there is something altruistic about hiring “masis”. It is purely selfish and perpetuates the cycle of poverty and dependence.
    And no, everyone doing their own chores does not mean we live in a jungle. We all do our own chores, cooking , cleaning, gardening in the US and it always surprises me to see how much help the Pakistanis need.


  32. ALAM (unregistered) on November 1st, 2007 @ 9:07 pm

    @BALMA

    >> Lyari Expressway, which I believe is a great project

    I would have been very happy to see a commute rail (tubes, mass transit, etc) along the Lyari naddi. Any roan can’t compensate that, right? what do u think?


  33. Balma (unregistered) on November 1st, 2007 @ 9:14 pm

    Achcually, when I was a kid, we did hear that land along Lyari NAdi was alloted to railways for laying a line from Hassan Square area train station to Northern Karachi areas.

    Obviously, that is before the people from up country and Bangladesh established their naa jaaiz kachi aabaadis all along the river beyond Hassan Square.

    So every thing is actually a mess in Pakistan, and if any thing good can come out, that is great. So rather not having any thing, I prefer Lyari Expressway. Also, does not mean railway tracks can’t be put along the same route. May be in the next century?


  34. Nom@n (unregistered) on November 2nd, 2007 @ 1:11 am

    I can’t tell how much i had laughed by reading the comments of you people on my mobile widsets everyday, specially the war of words between Alam and Neena. All true though. But whatever it is, house wives always consider thats its their right to hire the services of masis for everyday work, and giving them more than Thousand Rupees every month (here is gulshan, my mother is giving Rs.1,000 for doing Jhaaru, pocha, and cleaning the washrooms only. no cleaning of dining materials) anyway, its not that our home ladies don’t do a thing. They cooks everyday,takes care of children. But the thing which is wrong is that, they thinks that men have a luxury at the office, sitting in the airconditioner,and doing everything cooly. Its all wrong. Men burns their blood and make money for their parents, their wife, and chilren. All the responsibilities have to be shared between husband and wife. I always saw from my childhood, the husband and wife mostly argued, and they do all the work, and no one appreciate it, or say anything. I don’t when this all will change. Even my sister complains about her husband, that dont care about me, i do everything. and guess what. She is told to cook and wash the dishes, remaining matters are done by the masi, but always she complains. My behnoi as i know, gets up,goes to work at 7-8am in the morning,and comes back at around 11pm in the night. Can you imagine how frustrating it would be for him, that he comes home standing everyday in the heat of sun (he is a constructor) and hear such matters. I just dont know why the house wives complains,even after hiring the masis, they always think they never sit and remains busy all day blah blah blah. I personally think both the wife and husband should feel responsible for doing their part of work and never argue on such petty issues. After all, they have to live all their life with each other. Their is no use of quarraling with each other. For god sake yaar, just try to understand each other, and do things with each other’s opinions and wishes. house wife can hire masis if they want to, but with the haami of their husband. What do you think?


  35. Balma (unregistered) on November 2nd, 2007 @ 1:20 am

    Noman, I think after you have gone through carrying a baby for nine months, and endured the painful process of popping out a kid, I will ask you if it is a big deal to have women get some help at home.


  36. no_need (unregistered) on November 2nd, 2007 @ 2:08 am

    Balma wrote: Noman, I think after you have gone through carrying a baby for nine months, and endured the painful process of popping out a kid, I will ask you if it is a big deal to have women get some help at home.

    and i believe you u have carried a baby for nine months and popped one out? i hope ur wife was standing by you when you were yelling in pain. or was it cesarean? let us know


  37. ALAM (unregistered) on November 2nd, 2007 @ 3:20 am

    @NO_NEED

    Actually, u remind me of surrogate mothers phenomenon on the rise. Once it will catch up in Burger colonies in Pakistan, these lazy asses do-nothing women will also hand-over baby-producing chores to the “ghar ki mulazma” (except off-course the sex part)


  38. NOM@N (unregistered) on November 2nd, 2007 @ 4:17 am

    No yaar Alam.its not like that.Women do many many things,which we cannot do ever.I was just trying to say that both husband & wife complain so much on petty issues, that it starts ruining their lives.Cant a husband & a wife settle on one thing? I didn’t said that my sister doesn’t do a single thing.she cares so much for her husband.Every wife does.But the matter of fact is that its the remaining persons in a family who suffers the most,e.g. the children. Who is to be blamed for that.Naturally the life partners. Who else!
    And my sister had a cesarean.Her husband never cared about that,and as a typical husband,he used to say,”So what if had a cesarean!You are not the 1st women who gave birth to a baby”
    Can you beleive that.I think almost every man & woman are like same on this earth.You will not all,but when we talk in numbers,its the majority which counts.Here in Pakistan.We never listen to opinion,even if they are good ones.I don’t know when we will understand anything!


  39. NOM@N (unregistered) on November 2nd, 2007 @ 4:18 am

    No yaar Alam.its not like that.Women do many many things,which we cannot do ever.I was just trying to say that both husband & wife complain so much on petty issues, that it starts ruining their lives.Cant a husband & a wife settle on one thing? I didn’t said that my sister doesn’t do a single thing.she cares so much for her husband.Every wife does.But the matter of fact is that its the remaining persons in a family who suffers the most,e.g. the children. Who is to be blamed for that.Naturally the life partners. Who else!
    And my sister had a cesarean.Her husband never cared about that,and as a typical husband,he used to say,”So what if had a cesarean!You are not the 1st women who gave birth to a baby”
    Can you beleive that.I think almost every man & woman are like same on this earth.You will not all,but when we talk in numbers,its the majority which counts.Here in Pakistan.We never listen to opinion,even if they are good ones.I don’t know when we will understand anything!


  40. mansoor (unregistered) on November 2nd, 2007 @ 10:55 am

    noman: the point about both sides always complaining is a very valid one, and something even i have seen in a lot of places here, i believe it stems from the belief that your spouses are the ones you can dump all your emotional frustrations on, which ultimately leads to a very hard home life.

    responsiblities should be shared, and of-course, understanding that work doesn’t mean you have to be only in office, or on the road or at home, it means you have a responsibility which you carry out, whether it be to raise children or to earn money.

    alam, balma: people, im finding it very hard to resist the urge to moderate your comments.. please be civil and refrain from personal attacks!!


  41. ALAM (unregistered) on November 2nd, 2007 @ 9:07 pm

    Mansoor bhai, what was in my last comment that infuriates u to the point of censoring it?



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