We’ll bomb you to PTV

http://karachi.metblogs.com/archives/images/2007/11/novmb/ptv-thumb.jpgWe’ll bomb you to Stone Age” is what the Americans said. How stupid they were. They didn’t know we already have the expertise at home. So today our government has finally recognized that actually the Talibans were right which is a kind of victory for the Conservatives. Not only they have successfully taken over our thinking capsule but hopefully, soon no one would accuse them of Less respect for women, forcing their will on others, No regard for Human rights & burning CDs or AUDIO/VIDEO shops & all that Elite-Club fancy slogans because our gov. decided that its actually the right direction to proceed. They were continuously saying that women can’t handle freedom so lets put em inside, TV is for fahashi , burn the TV shops & music wont be allowed at any cost but we ignored them, calling them retards. How wrong we were !!!.

Heard this around eve on GEO today. Unsatisfied with the clampdown on Human Rights & Media, it has now banned any import of Dish Antenna, D-Receivers, decoders & related equipment & no one has any doubts why. Well, so PTV, the stone age channel one would immediately ban for churning out false information, lies & propaganda for a particular thinking is still roaming around free. This is a (NOT A) free world indeed. Lets (not) pray that the next target be Internet. Miles to go before sleep . . . . Start searching some underground methods to access websites before its too late.

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133 Comments so far

  1. Balma (unregistered) on November 16th, 2007 @ 12:47 am

    Is Bilal musharraf really smart, or he got into Stanford Biz school due to his father’s name?
    AFter all, we know Budnazir getting into Harvard and hearing from her school class mates, she was not really that sharp! Sneaky and crook, yes….but not intelligent and intellectual. Chore hae saalee.


  2. Concerned (unregistered) on November 16th, 2007 @ 1:10 am

    See i dont think it either of mushys kids, its prob a joke.


  3. Concerned (unregistered) on November 16th, 2007 @ 1:20 am

    Ms Nasir,

    It is good to see you still believe you live in the perfect world, where ppl get their rights. Do pay a visit to interior sindh and then we will talk abt rights. The poor hari earns barely enough to buy 2 rotis and the fuedal drives a Prado worth enough to feed the entire family of the Hari for generations.

    Just answer me this, the rights you have talked about have existed for the past 50 years, how come we only got it over the last 8 years.

    Madam, I agree its your right but appreciate the fact that you got them. And no one here is acting like a servant, I can say for my self that I genuinly like the guy and will honour his requests not because I have to but becuase I want to.


  4. Obi Wan Kenobi (unregistered) on November 16th, 2007 @ 1:21 am

    Balma, Bilal has been in US for 10-15 years and has worked for top accounting firms. I really don’t think that his dad has some thing to play in his career.


  5. Reality_check (unregistered) on November 16th, 2007 @ 1:36 am

    KHANABADOSH this veiled threat of going back to the 90’s is being hurled quite frequently in various forums. Jamal is a neutral guy but let me assure you, all the possibilities have been studied and worst case scenarios discussed, we are quite comfortable of what we have right now i.e. peace and can handle the worst i.e. war. In the meantime if there is a national calamity we will be there to lend our hand.

    Pun aside in the last few years we have come to realize what enormous benefits are to be had when there is a set agenda for development, despite the load shedding and stormy weather we have seen all communities that comprise Karachi being put to work and contributing. Even a Pathan running the transport business does not wants to shut down his service for a strike call no matter who calls it. And that’s good for everyone, this means that common man is not listening to the politicians, what more a person could ask for? As Jamal has put so rightly, “My politics is limited to my MNA, MPA, Councillor being assessable to me and working to solve my problems” , Isn’t it what democracy is all about? Who cares what Altaf and anybody else says the bottom line is, the one whom I have given my vote works for me or not?


  6. Reality_check (unregistered) on November 16th, 2007 @ 1:46 am

    SAIMA nothing you say is wrong ….. But what can I say: Mein Reality kee chakkee mein piss key Reality_Check bana hoon and that’s my problem, work for ideals but live in reality.


  7. D_AS_IN_DUMB (unregistered) on November 16th, 2007 @ 3:37 am

    Let me say this with all due apologies that Pakistani kids are normally quite DUMB no matter what. The bright kids who go to top Pakistani schools or go abroad for furhter studies, have only one dream, and that is, live in some foreign country in Europe, Middle East, or North America, earn lots of money in foreign currency, and become rich. They CAN’T think beyond that.

    Because of these stupid mnisconceptions and stereotypes, we haven’t been able to produce any leaders in 60 years of history.

    Musharraf, Bhutto, Zia-ul-Haq, Nawaz Shareef, and many more infamous names, all their kids fall into the same category: “D as in DUMB”..


  8. Pkhan (unregistered) on November 16th, 2007 @ 5:33 am

    Saima Writes,”infact they have been living of us for too long!” Why did you not wake up when nothing was given to you, where were your rights in a SO CALLED CIVILIAN democracy of CORRUPT politicians.This Govt has guided the nation in the right Path now it is up to the nation and elite class like you to follow through other wise all of us will go back to STONE AGE if we let people play politics for the sake of politics and ladies from HERA MUNDI START POLITICAL CAMPAIGNs on the street of Lahore.


  9. khanabadosh (unregistered) on November 16th, 2007 @ 7:22 am

    @Reality_Check: In fact I agree with you. The local councillor, MPA, and MNA may very well matter far more. This is what I keep telling Jamal but there is no end to his lamenatations about “if not Musharraf, then who?”. Maybe you can tell him that Mush really doesn’t matter all that much.

    Also, I am thrilled to know that you have all the contigencies figured out — be it peace or war in the coming days. I just want to be sure you have squared it all with Imran before he declares you an Indian agent.


  10. Tariq (unregistered) on November 16th, 2007 @ 10:17 am

    bilal musharraf is an Actuarian and actuarial science is a field of geniuses (man i hated to say that, but its reality unfortunately). very few actuarians in our country.


  11. ali (unregistered) on November 16th, 2007 @ 10:29 am

    i admire musharaf for wat he s doing.. keeping public out of politics for a time being and doin the cleanup is wat actually musharaf is focussing on.. if he lets media propagate each picture, there WILL be protests for sure.. no one seems to notice the other side of the picture.. let him do the job.. and lets have trust in him.. if we will keep protesting, we will only increase his problems.. let him focus on the right path and lets wait for the resusults… judiciary judiciary.. we dont want corrupt judiciary.. thats wat musharaf is trying to say… wat we need to develop is Trust… kissi per tu TRUST karo logo… revolution ke liye kuch safaya karna parta hai doston… there seeem to be good motives behind his actions.. i find conviction in his speeches… motive is not power but SAVING PAKISTAN .


  12. Saima Nasir (unregistered) on November 16th, 2007 @ 10:33 am

    I have lived and worked in some areas of interior Sindh and have travelled to some remote areas of Balauchstan also, along with smaller cities and towns of Punjab….The reason that Feudal goes around in a Pajero is because there is no accountability for him. He has the protection of the Civil or a milititary dictator through his connections in the establishment…..

    some people in their own way have always raised voices against the dictators be it Ayub, Bhutto or Zia and now Musharraf…..so no one was sleeping during that time, people were struggling then…people are struggling now and same kind of reasons and logics were used for all the dictators in the past

    you and I or anyone in Pakistan should be free to side with and like any person to be their leaders, be it Mush,BB,Nawaz or Chaudries for that matter. The point here is that no one should do it by force. Musharraf Should contest in an election through a platform of any party or as an independent candidate and let the peolple decide…..

    Personalities should not be bigger than institutions!


  13. Imran (unregistered) on November 16th, 2007 @ 11:51 am

    Seeing pictures of Imran Khan in print & electronic media, being hurled around, brutalized and manhandled (at the hands of students of Jamat-e-Islami) at Punjab University … reminded me of a similar incident where i was traumatized by these psychopath terrorists. This is the first time im writing about it.

    It happened some time ago while i was a student at a prominent state university of Karachi.

    “My crime”, as i was later “told” by my abductors, was that i wrote an article that spoke about ‘the achievements of women in eastern societies’ (this is not the exact title). The article was written for the university’s quarterly magazine, as requested by the Head of the English Language Club, who was also a professor and editor of the magazine. She asked me to write objectively and that the article would be published as it is, without any bias or editing. I thought this was a rare opportunity where a professor asked you to write something that would be published. She kept her promise and the article was published. Little did i know it would generate so much attention. It first generated a lot of positive attention, the article was well received by certain members of the faculty … and some faculty members also criticized it negatively (in particular the Head of Religious Studies; he actually called & asked me which organisation or NGO i was working for!!! LOL). I thought that was funny … Can’t anybody write from their own mind, or is everyone “sponsored” by an agency with an agenda?. Personally i saw nothing controversial in the article, it spoke about the achievements of women in eastern society with real-world examples like Razia Sultan, Mohtarma Fatima Jinnah, Asma Jahangir & Benazir Bhutto. The magic moment was when 3 articles from the magazine (mine included) were approved & we were asked to read them aloud to all university students in the auditorium.

    Then, the nightmare began. The next day i was picked up from the parking lot by 5 or 6 students of Jamaat-e-Islami (some f’d up name like shabab-e-milli or something). They dragged and hurled me to a desolate spot in the university (and ripped the magazine). They kicked me like a football and kept repeating “apologize for saying that women are equal to men. Are you a muslim?”. — Yes I did write men and women are equal and i dont that that Islam which is an egalitarian religion would degrade the status of women below men.

    I’ll skip the part about the physical pain – because it’s really the thought of someone forcing their fanatic point of view on you, which is more disturbing. This act of terrorism, inside a university of repute, compelled me to tell the incident to the VC, and asked for his help. He told me to forget that the whole thing happened. He said, ‘Beta ye sirf 6 loag nahin hain jinhon ne puri university ko yarghamal bana rakha hai, inke pechay aur bohat loag hain. What do u expect me to do? Do u want more violence?’.

    I remember that day, walking away feeling a changed and degraded human being. Was the VC right in saying that a few fanatics can hold an entire university hostage, who want to shove their narrow mindset on an entire nation- using religion at free will as their tool for emotional blackmail? WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE? AND HOW DID THEY GET THIS WAY? Has the Pakistani Society become so powerless that in cannot/ does not want to take decisive action against these fanatic elements in our society – who are quitefrankly destroying the fabric of a vibrant & free society.

    I haven’t put pen to paper since that day, but if i ever do, i would like to document ‘the degradation of Pakistani Society at the hands of fanaticism & islamic extremism/fundamentalism.’


  14. SELF (unregistered) on November 16th, 2007 @ 11:59 am

    If it is any consolation, people are fighting back; http://www.express.com.pk/epaper/Article.aspx?newsID=1100299764&Date=20071116&Issue=NP_LHE

    End of IJT from PU? Probably not but at least someone tried.


  15. Jamal Shamsi (unregistered) on November 16th, 2007 @ 12:06 pm

    @khanabadosh

    chief, rest assured both the eastern & western borders are Safe – North is in dilemma, however choices are made, all will see soon the change., be it via Bullet or Bragging.

    The old testament of Britishers failed in that region is history” technology & strategy is in new century. The irony of that region is they are surrounded by STONEs (mountains) with rigid mental calibre for flexiblilty & allowances to others.

    – Islam is not about REWAYAT & KHASA – it is about reverence peace and tolerence. – They are blackmailing the local TOP in the name of ISLAM, spending money to buy loyalities, and the locals have no brains which foreign educated & trained Taliban HAVE,- Pakistan Govt failed over 50 years to expand the education network to those areas and this is the result of keeping them away from main stream from Karachi to Bajur & Khunjarab.

    NWFP itself is not ready for Talibanisation, the thin belt of few KMs of northwest extended to former durand line is what is causing Pakistan great damage.

    WE BREEDED SNAKES FOR 15 YEARS, (AFGHAN REFUGEES) THE NATURE OF SNAKE IS TO STUNG ~ BITE – and thats what they are doing. Nature cannot be blamed or changed.

    Karzai Asteen ka Sanp cried and made complaints when Pakistan announced the sealing of border by putting up barbbed wire – It shall be starting soon, we are and we have right to protect our people our land and our economics within our borders we will do as we wish., to secure that.


  16. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on November 16th, 2007 @ 12:11 pm

    It seems that US has decided to quit feeding Mush anymore.

    tinyurl.com/3des4r

    Sooner or later Pr0-Mush supporters are going to be *Musharraf Remnants* :)


  17. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on November 16th, 2007 @ 12:17 pm

    What happened with Jamiat in PU, I wish something similar happen in different Universities of Karachi as well so that students get rid of IJT-Haqiqi a.k.a MQM, the left wing of IJT .


  18. Reality_check (unregistered) on November 16th, 2007 @ 8:46 pm

    KHANABADOSH I like this lighter side of our exchange. Yes the Indian agent card is always played in our society when we don’t understand or rather refuse to understand the problems we face. It’s a convenient bracket to put all our un-defined variables, the list includes Ghaffar Khan, Sheikh Mujeeb, G.M. Syed, Wali Khan, Bhutto, Altaf Hussain, Bugti, Murre, Bizenjo, Faiz, Faraz etc. etc. I sincerely wish that a day would come that we could sit and attempt to solve all our equations. If you are referring to Imran Khan, he has now got plenty of time to reflect and figure out who is agent of whom, the equation in front of him looks very complicated.


  19. Reality_check (unregistered) on November 16th, 2007 @ 9:07 pm

    SAIMA the FEUDAL still flourishes in our society because he has got the legal ownership of the land given to him by the British, prior to British he was the collector for the Emperor. It was convenient for British to rule by proxy so they gave him absolute ownership. Ironically the democratic system suits them more than dictator ship. When there is democracy they are the MNA, MPA, Councillor, Union Council Chairman and what not. While when a Army man takes over, first they are apprehensive, they bunch together and approach him to offer support and safe guard their interests. Nowadays even a dictator cannot survive without elections so they have no problems exerting themselves.

    Worldwide from Peru to South Africa when it comes to fighting poverty, the solution being implemented is to give the poor owner ship of their land or their house and that ownership can be financed. Incidently we the Pakistanis are founders of this concept and it is working well in our cities like Karachi & Hyderabad and some other areas were NGO ‘s are actively involved. But who will bell the cat in the rural areas is still a big question mark. Answer to that I am afraid is not available, as the issue doesn’t even makes to the manifesto’s of the major political parties. Their solution viz a viz poverty in the past has been to fill the govt institutions with unwanted workforce, please correct me if I am wrong.


  20. Imran (unregistered) on November 16th, 2007 @ 9:46 pm

    Adnan Siddiqi: its not a matter of remnants; since we all belong to the same country i pray one day we will all find harmony to (understand) and exist peacefully … irregardless of our ethnic backgrounds, religious inclinations etc.

    We pretend to live together peacefully, but in actuality there are strong reservations/ fears in our hearts about another persons who may hold a different belief.

    i pray we will learn to live as a nation.

    NB: i may have a harsh tone in that note about Jamat-islami, but i actually feel very sad about that incident.


  21. Saima Nasir (unregistered) on November 17th, 2007 @ 8:47 am

    Feudals flourish today because they have the ownership of peoples’ mind….through lack of education and ‘self-esteem’ which has been crushed by the use of police and state machinery.

    On man can suspend the constitution, send Nawaz packing, kill an ex-ISI man in an army action, attack his own people in Swat (initially harboured by the army only), sack the Chief Justice and then the other judges but when it comes to abolishing FEUDALISM he is ‘helpless’ and looks at the legality of the ownership of land……hieght of hypocracy and double standards.

    Farooq Laghari suspended the construction of a road in his area sometime ago because that will bring education and information to his people…..thats just one example…..if Bugti can be elminated then why not such enemies of the people of Pakistan……

    Only Democratically elected Govts. can do it becuase they will be answerable to the people. …that also if democracy is allowed to flourish for atleast 2 decades without an army interference, a strong juidiciary and an active civil society. …like in India….Nehru did the job in the 50s.

    If we will keep compromisng with the dictators as the earlier generations did with Ayub and zia who brought relief to some ….and were branded the saviors……don’t even dream of following Singapore and Malaysia. Education is the Key to success which doesn’t come only with degres but with a free thinking society…..and functioning public institutions.


  22. MB (unregistered) on November 17th, 2007 @ 8:54 am

    S.Nasir , you can add the FM RADIO station to the list of gov. dramas. Our all-powerful military can do nothing against this small ant to ban his radio station but will crush all channels because . . . .. you know what i mean.


  23. Reality_Check (unregistered) on November 17th, 2007 @ 10:21 am

    So give him the mandate and immunity to kill at will and then hold him responsible. Nehru did it because the Feudals in India were marginalized before partition and the power centres were held by the Merchant classes. Whereas, Pakistan became the refuge of the Feudal.

    There is no sense in comparing Mush with Zia or Ayub other than all three are millitary rulers at the same all three are different.

    I have said before, I will stick to a person who has given us institutions, when there were none and has ecouraged democratic culture by himself enduring public insults aired repeatedly. I too dont like this media black out but willing to along with it for a short while, after that I might change my mind.

    Saima two decades? our politicians have shown that they can literally bankrupt this country within two years, sorry I am not willing to take that risk. For me the biggest positive in the past decade or so is the way middle class has come up strongly in Punjab but still it is not yet organized, it needs more time to mature and provide better leadership alternates, all the dynamics to propel that change are there, people just need to be patient.

    Why cant we dream of following Malaysia or Turkey, Google is here, Microsoft is here, Hp is here, Chinese are here to invest big time to name a few. All these avenues can generate such wealth that will dwarf the FEUDAL and force him to oblivion, haven’t you noticed the change happening?

    As for Free thinking, despite major dictatorships we have always been free thinkers, no autocratic ruler has been able to subjugate us like Saddam or Kim. So I am not worried about that. In present day and age sat. media is very powerful at the same time very dangerous, sometimes its the biggest threat to free thinking, thats why I still rely on two or three newspapers to form my opinions, rather get my daily dose from a conspiracy theorists promoting their agenda’s and selling their merchandise.

    MB good to hear from you, I see you brought in a worthy Sub, Saima is relentless!! She doesnt quit man!! BTW such FM stations are woking in Afghanistan too, operated by AQ, they are mobile and hard to track, Americans have not been able to silence them. I guess you have to silence Fazlullah first. One thing i would like to mention is that this area is the constituency of Qazi Sahib, no media personality questions him about whats happenning in his back yard?


  24. Saima Nasir (unregistered) on November 17th, 2007 @ 11:18 pm

    @Reality_Check
    “As for Free thinking, despite major dictatorships we have always been free thinkers, no autocratic ruler has been able to subjugate us like Saddam or Kim.”

    you also wrote the following lines in one of your posts under the topic…”Where Are Karachi’s Students?”

    “I am not in the business of creating devils or saints, and neither am keen on being proud or ashamed. It is very easy to demand, we can even demand paradise but its very difficult do something positive especially in a country like Pakistan. I am not the one to degrade a person who has done beyond expectations and remained resolute, in fact I feel indebted. Even if he is un-ceremoniously dislodged I will never use a bad word for him.”

    you call it free thinking and we call it slavery…but to you it feels like freedom…it is at times like these that people like me quit in silence.


  25. Saima Nasir (unregistered) on November 17th, 2007 @ 11:37 pm

    Why cant we dream of following Malaysia or Turkey, Google is here, Microsoft is here, Hp is here, Chinese are here to invest big time to name a few. All these avenues can generate such wealth that will dwarf the FEUDAL and force him to oblivion, haven’t you noticed the change happening?

    Here is the answer to your question but I guess “your people” have really experienced the changes which the common man of Pakistan is still yearning for:

    Tariq Ali wrote and I quote here

    “I spent my last day in Karachi with fishermen in a village near Korangi creek. Shortcut Aziz has signed away the mangroves where shellfish and lobsters flourish, and land is being reclaimed to build Diamond City, Sugar City and other monstrosities on the Gulf model. The fishermen have been campaigning against these encroachments, but with little success. ‘We need a tsunami,’ one of them half-joked. We talked about their living conditions. ‘All we dream of is schools for our children, medicines and clinics in our villages, clean water and electricity in our homes,’ one woman said. ‘Is that too much to ask for?’ Nobody even mentioned religion.”

    Published in London Book Review, October 4, 2007


  26. Reality_Check (unregistered) on November 18th, 2007 @ 12:16 am

    SAIMA So a community is sufferring while another Island community has been provided clean water through a pipeline going through the sea, before that they used to get water from the boat. After 60 years of independence they will be seeing tap water for the first time, and they are nobodies constituency either.

    Tariq Ali will never write about them. Its a pick and choose. This country has got a lot of good as well as bad and it will remain that way for a while, so there is plenty of writing material, however, writing about bad sells better.


  27. balma (unregistered) on November 18th, 2007 @ 4:08 am

    *Farooq Laghari suspended the construction of a road in his area sometime ago because that will bring education and information to his people

    But, he is a Budnazir man! You still want Budnazir to be elected?
    Also, how old are you?
    And, what book did you just read?
    Yaa Eesaa!


  28. Saima Nasir (unregistered) on November 18th, 2007 @ 7:48 am

    @balma
    “You still want Budnazir to be elected?”

    How and what about my posts made you come to this earth shattering conclusion?

    He was “her man” before sacking her….he is just another face representing feudals!

    Also, how old are you?

    Someone before also has tried to get back to me through this age issue…..so let me put it in your language ADMI AUR ACHAR MAIN FURQ HOtA HAI! Kuch samajh main aya ya nahin…!
    Hope it answered your query.

    And, what book did you just read?
    Yaa Eesaa!

    I read ” Hur Firon kay Ghar Main Aik Moosa Hota Hai”


  29. wasiq (unregistered) on November 18th, 2007 @ 8:41 am

    Tanhaa Dil Tanhaa Safar
    Dhoondhay tujhay Pheir Keun Nazar…..

    ps:the correct translation of
    “tum jab jaa rahey thay” cannot be
    When were you going….!


  30. Saima Nasir (unregistered) on November 18th, 2007 @ 10:10 am

    Wasiq! you’re back! Haalat ko mud-e-nazar rakhtaey huey urz kya hai

    Hum bhi kabhi azad thay
    aisey khan burbad thay
    befikr thay azad thay
    musroor thay dilshaad thay,
    Phir youn hua woh kho gai
    aur dil ko zid si ho gayee
    layain gain us ko dhond kur
    main aur meri awargi.

    The correct translation could be “as you were leaving” OR ” while you were leaving” Or “then, you were leaving”….


  31. wasiq (unregistered) on November 19th, 2007 @ 9:38 am

    @saima nasir

    you spinned me again by the use of “leaving” believe me going sounded less drastic and horrifying….yes the third and the first are absolutely correct but actually it was the other way around i was referring to the incorrect use of “were”…..Btw iam already on the kerb making paper planes as far as the KMB policy is concerned why did you choose to test by replying to my trick question….cheers!

    Gaay dinoun ka soraag ley kar kahaan sey aaya kahaan giya woh
    ajeeb maanous ajnabee tha hammey toh hairaan kar giyaa woh


  32. Saima Nasir (unregistered) on November 19th, 2007 @ 2:44 pm

    I, myself was planning to learn to ‘fly a kite’……since

    Teray azar ka chara nahin nushtur kay siva,
    Aur yeh safak maseeha m’ray kubzay main nahin
    Is Jahan kay kisi zee-rooh kay kubzay main nahin
    Haan mugar, tairay siva…tairay siva…tairay siva.


  33. wasiq (unregistered) on November 20th, 2007 @ 8:08 am

    @saima nasir…..

    You are the best thing that has ever happened to me on KMB i cannot risk losing you like i did with Aussi_paki and her lovely friends because of my lack of communication skills,so i call it a day from here thanking the author….

    Hummey chahiyeah tha millna
    kisi aur serzameen main
    kisi aheadh-ay meherbaan main
    Hummey chahiyeah tha millna



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