Ijtamai Giraftarian
or Combined Arrests, was the outcome of a rally of the Karachi Union of Journalists outside press club yesterday afteroon. A number of journalists were ‘laathi charged’ and arrested after the protest for freedom of the press turned ugly. During the event, our very own Urooj Zia was also present where she was subsequently arrested and taken to jail for a couple of hours. Post arrest, she reports having a ‘rocking time of partying and raising hell’ till her release (details later). We are very proud of having her aboard as an author and a blogger, and support her initiative to be on the front lines. at least she’s there for what she believes in.
As usual, i have both sides of the story told to me and not wanting to believe either (as i believe the truth always hides in a third plane) i’ll present both.
Side 1: The Journalists present
They were protesting, chanting slogans and in general being a peaceful bunch and raising hell, when the police just went beserk on them and started beating up everyone present. Then they arrested around 10 prominent figures after which all other journalists present gave themselves up for arrests in a show of unity.
Side 2: Other sources
The journalists were protesting with placards and slogans and were told to remain in their cordoned off area. Some elements among them (who were subsequently the first to be arrested) decided that this was just too peaceful and not newsworthy and decided to up the stakes. First by jeering and bullying the security personnel, then by trying to break the barriers in which they were contained in, and third, when all else failed, deciding to turn the protest into a march. When they were not allowed to do that, the rouge element proceeded to start stoning the security officials after which all hell broke loose and lathi charge started, following by the arrest of the initial trouble makers. That is when others in the group gave themselves up for arrest as a show of unity.
Note: both sides of the story were given to me by members of the press, who were present at the front line at the time. Which ever side you choose to believe, is up to you.
I dont know who one is right but I think both sides has to be make sure that dont cross the limits.
If so called Journalist can not obey the law of the land then shame on them(whether the law is right or wrong). Some of them brought that community to this stage where DANDAE khanna par rahae hain.
The responsibility lies with these press people. They are so called educated people of the society and the police is uneducated. If you tell me that police wants to beat whole crowd w/o any reason then I won’t believe it. You have to give them reason to do “laathi charge” on a crowd. And I saw the pics online yesterday where these press people were throwing stones on police and in return what do you expect.
It was all drama staged by Geo and other so called journalists. They asked for this “Latthy Charge” because they wanted this to become a big news. The freakin management of Geo using their employees to make thier channel more popular in south asia and these stupid employees dont realize that they have been used by their employers. there is no prohibition on journalism in pakistan. Print media is printing their news papers (jang akhbar publishing everyday filled with hate against Mush) Geo is facing all this because of this stupid DR. Shahid masood who has no clue about what he says on TV. he is not even freakin journalist.
We all should protest against Geo who is using their innocent employees for thier own good. One of my relative works for Geo and she has been forced to participate in protests everyday she goes to work.
Proud of the Journos. Keep up the good work guys. We are proud of you.
And one more thing. Keep in mind that since the law does not apply to musharraf, it does not apply to you either. Infact, musharraf has lead by example and now there is no law in pakistan. So protest all you want and give musharraf the hell he has asked for!!
And finally, Thanks!
Their parent organizations will get MONEY, which will land to their AFFECTEES in shape of Monetary benefits, when the Govt changes before 31 01 08 they all know for sure.
They are ALL hand in Glove and touts of GOVT.
They are as corrupt, filthy, stinky, and soaked with golden shower as the GOVTs, they supported or uprooted be it whoever ruled.
Geo – Abh Jeenay Do – Khuda Kay liye.
Jung Newspaper – Only news for GEO and its haram karian.
Why the 10+ comments were deleted from Bolshivek last post and why it is not accepting any more comments ? Please clarify.
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Try searching Bolshivek on wikipedia and you will get an idea
or may I…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolshevik
The Bolsheviks (Russian: Большеви́к IPA: [bəlʲʂɨˈvʲik], derived from bolshinstvo, “majority”) were a faction of the Marxist Russian Social Democratic Labour Party
For more enlightment about oour young communist read the article
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She is ashamed of her own actions and dont have any answers to any of the questions asked. She cannot even defend her own actions so she blocked everybody from commenting.
Well well well. What have we here????
So the people who were all gungho and fanaticaly supporting banning all channels not singing songs praising the great leader musharraf are all of a sudden demanding freedon of speech on the internet????
Hahhahahahahhaha…If Urooj has indeed deleted the posts (and we have no evidence to support that) then all i can say is, good trap laid by Urooj and all you suckers fell into it!!
Good thinking Urooj. I commend your intelligence :)
The PPC codes i referred to must have taken daylights outta ‘HER’
Freedom seize to exist when you can feel the stinky breath of others closeby.
:)
it took how many years to achieve 14 Aug 1947 –
i believe it started from 1857 war of independence :) :)
@Kads, I admire your courage to come out and defend her stupid acts which she could not do it herself.
What you wrote works other way as well and goes like this ” All the people who are bashing Musharaf and protesting ban on free speech and media, supporting ban on KMB and not letting people to speak out and say something against these so called journalists”
I wonder what would you guys do if you get the power of Govt, nobody would be allowed to say or write anything if they dont agree with your stupid ideology..??
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Bol-shove-it! Freedom of speech, aazaadi-e-sahaafat? Helllllooooo?
I wonder why you deleted my posts from your Karachi Yesterday area? Itnee jaldee Mushee kaa rang apnaa liyaa? Hey, I am not against freedom of speech, I am not again protest. But, I had suggested to you that if you indeed want to protest, you should protest against growing population of Pakistan…and if you need to protest, then you should protest why Budnazir and NoSharif haven’t allowed any alternative leadership to emerge in their parties in last 10 years. And yeah, I asked you how old were you in 1987-1999? booraa maan gayee’n, darling?
Perhaps, you haven’t seen or don’t remember the ghunda gardi of police during that period when Budnazir and NoSharif ruled.
Please continue to protest, continue to demand freedom of speech, but pajaamay say nikalnay kee zaroorat nahi hae….agar ghunda gardee and toR-phoR karnee hae, go to Islamabad or Panjab immediately.
You want freedom of speech? You can’t handle the freedom of speech….anyone remembers that line!
If you read what BUL SHOV IT (nice one Imran) wrote in her dramatic story you can clearly see that they were not ill treated and they actually had a PARTY going on there. Also, noticed how PPP walas are trying to gather support from these so-called journalists by bringing them stuff to eat and crap later on? You might not remember but wasn’t their beloved Bit**Nazir the one who banned 6 newspapers back in 90s? If they actually believe in free media then that would have never happened back in 90s :D
Also, why were commenting on that subject blocked? Only the ones SUPPORTING her story were kept while the others were deleted? Is that not supression of freedom of speech?
TALK ABOUT HYPOCRISY! DUH!
And one more thing. Keep in mind that since the law does not apply to musharraf, it does not apply to you either.
KADS: Could you be MORE STUPID!? So if people start to eat shit, would you do that too? Does this mean that I have the right to break in your home and do whatever I want because there is no law? Change your nick KADS and change it to “DUMBSTER”… it’ll suit you much more!
http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/nov2007-daily/21-11-2007/karachi.htm
See the right most pink t shirt gal in 3rd pic, that is Bolshivek. Can’t you tell how they were kept in police station. Now I know she won’t come back to reply any of these comments. Who ever is an authority of KMB should ban her from posting any more.
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@Zee
And just for you cause i know you do not think for yourself and rely on you all wise leader to feed you the bullshit you so relish, i repeat here what the dictator musharraf has ruled today. He has passed a law that his actions can not be challanged in any court in pakistan. Eat that BS and jump around little mush crony.!!
didnt bother to read her crap just scroll down to read comments and came across the following DEHAATI rants,
Mukk gya tera show Musharraf — Go Musharraf, Go Musharraf!
Kalla baetha ro Musharraf — Go Musharraf, Go Musharraf!!!
if our SO-CALLED educated journalists cud come up with these kind of DEHAATI chants then you shudnt blame uneducated party workers.
When will our Journalist, Lawyers learn to protest in a civilized manner, they act like CHOPAYE.
I was at the protest frontlines from the start to end (and was among those arrested). Both descriptions above of how things unfolded are way off the mark.
The police didn’t just “go berserk”. Nor did the journalists go around “bullying” the police (seriously how do unarmed journalists “bully” policemen with lathis, helmets and guns?)
This is what happened. From the start, the plan was for journalists to march from KPC to the governor’s house to deliver a letter. This plan was conveyed to the authorities days in advance.
We started the march from the KPC and when we reached the junction of the road, we were blocked by rows of lathi-wielding riot police. We asked to be let through for our peaceful march. When the police refused to give way, we decided to push our way through, WITHOUT using violence. We tried to squeeze through the police.
The police initially did not start beating people up, instead just shoving people back. But when it seemed like the we might actually manage to push through the wall of riot police (without using violence still), the cops responded by indiscriminately beating the front line. Those journalists who fell down were not spared a beating.
There were very few stones thrown overall, but the police started beating people BEFORE the first stone was cast. I am not sure who started it, but BOTH sides exchanged stones. Yes, I saw the police throw stones in my direction.
While beating people, the police arrested several people also. The police refused to release them, so we all decided to offer our arrest. Most (but not all) of us were treated relatively well at the police stations.
So Mr/Ms Azadi, pushing police is no violence ??? I wish you could do that in first world, you would rot for weeks in jail[if not months] for that. When the police had told you that you could not go then why did you try/push them in first place ?? Respect of law ? Any one listening ? These so called educated journalists came with an agenda to force police so that they started “lathi charge” and they could make a big news out of it.
If MUSH is good, why were Taliban bad
Mush supporters would do any thing just to twist the facts like their croocked masters.
as BB said MUSH HAS TO GO…
I can imagine when he would be without wardee and all the people throwing eggs and litter at him…..
eeee haaaa
@imran ka PAAP
musharaaf and taleban?
If you keep yourself busy giving “Giraftarians”
Who is going to explore the “OIL” ?
How come land accross the coast from gulf has no oil?
Lets use our brains on something positive for a change.
@Obi Wan Kanobi
While making comparisons, one must not forget what would happen in the first world to a leader who did the following:
1. got rid of the constitution
2. sacked the judges and put his own in place to get a verdict in his favor.
3. Put his opponents in jail
4. beat up the sisters of his opponents and dragged them in the streets.
5. Banned the news channels that didnt sing his praises.
6. Passed a law himself stating he is above the law.
What do you think would happen in the first world to such a leader? And what would the populace at large think of him?
@Kads, No comments dude.
don’t you guys see it…..Ms Urooj Zia the coming interior minister of pakistan…..WOW!
percha katta tha kay nahein…?
@Obi Wan Kanobi
The jedi counsel must step in to fight the evil emperor mushi who intends to take over all power into his own hands.
Peace and may the force be with you my friend. :)
Kads, nice one :-) I enjoyed that but may be Mush is a Luke skywalker.
this is what a Pro-Mush idiot said on other post:
I have got no sympathy for her if she got injured because she was protesting.(By Zee.)
I might not agree with Urooj’s Ideology but this doesn’t mean I would like to see a lady get beaten just because I don’t accept her ideology and belief.
I am sure you belong to class of men who are used to beat their wives and even kill them in the name of Honor Killing. Thanks for showing class you retard!
On other hand, comparing a moronic dictator with a Prophet is only the class of future Musharraf Remnants. zia’s supporters used to do same in past. As I say, you pro mush morons are not less pathetic than pro Zias
@Obi Wan Kanobi
Come now. Be honest and tell me who those 6 actions i listed above remind you off? The evil emperor or Luke? :)
(refer to the first 3 episodes)
Kads, actually I love original star wars much :-) .
My personal take on this echo’s quite a few sentiments on this post, a ‘few’ journalists trying to make it into a scandalized news item, and the rest following because they are overly emotional. (who isn’t in our neck of the woods).
While i respect Urooj’s decision to take a stand, i suspect she (and others present) were played by their paymasters.
In anycase, please refrain from name-calling and going off-topic (towards army, mush or anything other than press and protests).
In anycase, please refrain from name-calling and going off-topic (towards army, mush or anything other than press and protests).
*grin*- Why do you repeat when everyone knows Mush is more holier than God for you and other army kids? :-)
BTW, the comment you removed was actually made here :-)
amazing comment were deleted coz it against army ..wow …coz of our army we reach at this stage that journalist are arrested and beaten..its fine that we guys are not agree with their point of view but they are part of our society.
its not cantonments that kill any opponent in normal civil societies difference of societies is their and everyone has to live with it
i suspect she (and others present) were played by their paymasters.
I might agree here but who else is not doing same. If Urooj is playing in the hands of her paymasters then you re also playing in the hands of your Army Lords who Pay to your family. What’s the difference?
P.S: you might remove this post as well by labeling it as “OffTOpic”- Let me tell you that I was actually addressing you here rather your readers.
great drift from the TOPIC :)
@Jamal Shamsi, @Obi Wan Kanobi
People can read b/w lines. The wild face of Army and their supporters is uncovered. you ppl cannot hide them at all.
Their dirty rule and dictorship is strongly condem by pepole of Pakistan.
MQM chmchachas pls stop their bullship against journalist.
The kingdom of Pakistan has issued a decree that GEN Musharraf’s decisions will not be challenged in any court of Pakistan.
Gen Mush is now the king of the Islamic Kingdom of Pakistan and carries immunity. Congratulations bros now firown will order his napak army to arrest lawyers & journalist ,torture civilian kill innconets in swat,waziristan and balochistan no one will say a word.
@Qasim
You better go and live in India. are you a Pakistani?.
Thanks for presenting both sides of the story buddy!
I would rather stick with the official’s point of view. The journalist’s MUST have done something that could have urged the security personnel to use force against them. No matter how evil we call the law enforcement forces, the journalists are not that “Shareef” either.
@Mks
now should i have to give certificate to napak army that im pakistani.. can i give you my complete details to give ISI hijras so they can arrest and charge me on terrorism and sell to America so army walas get some $$$…sale hijra Army…
you better army mentality ppl leave pakistan and live in Bush land from whom ur leader firown musharraf take dictation …InshAllah a day will come when we get rid of Killer Generals.
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@Qasim
You said:
“”you better army mentality ppl leave pakistan and live in Bush land from whom ur leader firown musharraf take dictation …InshAllah a day will come when we get rid of Killer Generals.”"
This is not going to happen in your life time. You better wait for life after death.
This is not going to happen in your life time.
It did happen with Gen.yahya and Zia. Why can’t with Musharraf? :-)
Taking history lesson is good practice :)
just wait buddy time will come now we Pakistanis are very much aware abt the ugly face of napak army …every part of pakistan is full of napak army atrocities and yeah still karachi ppl dnt forget abt 90′s operation by army dogs…InshAllah when rule of law prevail in pakistan army walas dont have any place to hide.
OK. Keep waiting then..
@Qasim
I am sure your ___ has been kicked badly by some army man. Kiya kisi Army Wale ne le tu nahee lee apki
@Qasim
I am sure your ___ has been kicked badly by some army man. Kiya kisi Army Wale ne le tu nahee lee apki
@Saima
It is the use of the language, the words, the way they are spoken and the gist of the coversation that gives them away. They talk funny. ie use of “yeah yeah”, and “no no” and “only” at the end of each sentence while shaking head left to right. Hahhahahaha. Its hilarious to watch them. They look like real idiots saying yes while shaking head :)
Face to face, all pakistanis can tell an indian in 1 second flat. Online, it is easy too. You just have to see the way they talk and type. But we digress, lets move back to bashing Mush the dictator.
@ Kads
That was funny…but you know Indians mostly behave well in America except that Kerala language that makes me laugh everytime I hear it.
But they all are my friends (good people)
In regards to Musharaf bashing, you know he is being pushed by the big powers to take care of(fight)terrorism. On the other side you guys push him. What do you expect him to do?
You know the alternative (selfish politicians)
Why dont you give him the benefit of the doubt?
May be he knows (classified secret information)
something you dont.
If as a journalist you raised the slogans like;
Free Media
Restrictions not accepted
We will fight for our rights
and so on…..Then it was ok.
But when you say “Go Musharraf Go!” you enter the realm of politics and are no longer un-biased. It simply proves what the government is saying.
Michael Scheuer yesterday said on the CNN that America doesn’t want democacy in Pkaistan, it is against the US interst to have a democratically elected leader in that countrry. USA wants a stable ‘Pakistan’ and Musharaf is good for this Job.
CONGRATULATIONS! To all un-biased, non- plitical Pakistanis. Now, very soon Pakistan will join the ranks of ‘respected’ countries like Turkey (unlike ‘Iran’). yesterday’s reporting of CNN covering the GENERAL’s Politics was the first step in that direction. They were really respectful of his actions and policies.
Michael F. Scheuer is a former CIA employee. In his 22-year career, he served as the Chief of the Bin Laden Issue Station (aka “Alec Station”), from 1996 to 1999, the Osama bin Laden tracking unit at the Counterterrorist Center. He then worked again as Special Advisor to the Chief of the bin Laden unit from September 2001 to November 2004.
Scheuer resigned in 2004. He is currently a news analyst for CBS News and a terrorism analyst for the Jamestown Foundation’s online publication Global Terrorism Analysis.
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@shahidinusa
The issue isnt whether musharraf is better then nawaz and benazir and altaf. Anyone would be better then those 3. Even a donkey. But the issue is that musharraf must understand he is not above the law.
No one, not even musharraf must be allowed to get away with trying to make fools of the people. And thats what he is trying to do by using excuses like terrorism to put judges he likes and banning the tv channels. Musharraf or not, this is not acceptable. So the protest continues.
@Qasim
what an imagination., you are painting picture of 1971 Cyelhut, Chittagong & Dhaka which was infested with indian army in disguise of Mukti Bahini.,
KMB moderator.
Kick out Qasim from this blog, I am sick of his gutter language and mentality.
Qasim you go to hell
I vote NO to kick Qasim Out, Keep Qasim Around :) for a while … !
KADS,, Chill
- Qasim – I wish you stay healthy happy and prosperous beyond 2010,
am sure you will be AGAIN among those who turn theirs butts from Civilians and BEG Khakis to come for rescue.
then there will be another ayub, yahya, zia, musharraf, checcha, meema, kana, tulla, paiynra
UNLESS WE CHOOSE WHAT WE WANT WE CANE NEVER BE Happy with ourselves to rule & govern Ourselves.
The basic FQIN problem is with US commoners, not with anybody else.
Whats happening to this blog, the posting by Teeth Maestro today is clearly just a poster. No comments allowed on it.
Is that a system glitch or are people using this forum to advertise their personal rallies.
this is BS.
This is dandaan-saaz’s way of protesting govt’s ban on the media. What an ahmeq. It is bit similar to Mullahs complaining about too many channels promoting foreign culture in Pakistan, now complaining about the ban on media.
As long as musharraf has US’ backing, he is F***ing immortal…and tht will continue till the next elections in US in 2008…hopefully a democrat will be elected…and there will be no more of the war on terror hocus pocus…and the new goverment will be the way it was in clinton’s era…not giving a f**** about Pakistan….
hoping for some normalization