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	<title>Comments on: In other blogs: From Karachi: Cities for Cars or People?</title>
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		<title>By: sheeraz hassan</title>
		<link>http://karachi.metblogs.com/2007/11/30/in-other-blogs-from-karachi-cities-for-cars-or-people/comment-page-1/#comment-49208</link>
		<dc:creator>sheeraz hassan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 22:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>its very eassy to say and very hard to impliment, faheem zaman was not mayor he was caretaker during susspension of city govet at that time and he belongs to dmg(district management group)now problem is nazim is from khi and speaks urdu and his sin is he belongs to mqm(thats what i feel)and those who against the mqm not allowing him to work for the city they dont understand coz of there act its karachi who suffer actully not the mqm,stop dirty politics lets think about karachi and work 2gather i m sure every thing will b inordre soon,one example how others trying to fail city govt in my area(gulberg town)u.c nazim found cement blocks and othere objects in severage lines just to blame city govt,is that fair??i dont think so,coz we r the one who suffer and even those who r not with mqm,so now its time to grow up and work 2gather.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its very eassy to say and very hard to impliment, faheem zaman was not mayor he was caretaker during susspension of city govet at that time and he belongs to dmg(district management group)now problem is nazim is from khi and speaks urdu and his sin is he belongs to mqm(thats what i feel)and those who against the mqm not allowing him to work for the city they dont understand coz of there act its karachi who suffer actully not the mqm,stop dirty politics lets think about karachi and work 2gather i m sure every thing will b inordre soon,one example how others trying to fail city govt in my area(gulberg town)u.c nazim found cement blocks and othere objects in severage lines just to blame city govt,is that fair??i dont think so,coz we r the one who suffer and even those who r not with mqm,so now its time to grow up and work 2gather.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamal Shamsi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamal Shamsi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sheeraz Hasan - I tell you what :) it is about acting smart to bring everyone on ONE platform -

Whatever city nazim control, twist the arms, deprieve those 13 entities of what is in control of City Nazim., at intervals to be noticed by their constituency residents, i can guarantee within 15 days of public pain of those areas, they will all come to knees to cooperate.

- Excise &amp; Taxation GOVT of SINDH wanted TAX on utility vehicles from KMC inlcuding fire tenders ambulances of SIDHN Govt hospitals, trash collectors, water bowsers etc etc - The THEN Mayor of Karachi Faheem zaman - ordered &#039;STOP&#039; picking up Trash from SINDH Govt buildings. within 3 days matter was sorted and SINDH Govt passed a bill - exempting Utility vehicles from Road Tax., it was resolved without intervention of Federal Govt -

It is about taking interest and focusing on the problem,

I tell you what, city nazim can dig out craters barring access of public transport to &amp; from all cantoments, KPT wharves, etc etc - within 72 hours all CEOs ( cantonment executive officers) will be at his door step with both hands extended for all required cooperation.

viz a viz it has to be reciprocated in likely manner, in mutual benefit of city of Karachi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sheeraz Hasan &#8211; I tell you what :) it is about acting smart to bring everyone on ONE platform -</p>
<p>Whatever city nazim control, twist the arms, deprieve those 13 entities of what is in control of City Nazim., at intervals to be noticed by their constituency residents, i can guarantee within 15 days of public pain of those areas, they will all come to knees to cooperate.</p>
<p>- Excise &amp; Taxation GOVT of SINDH wanted TAX on utility vehicles from KMC inlcuding fire tenders ambulances of SIDHN Govt hospitals, trash collectors, water bowsers etc etc &#8211; The THEN Mayor of Karachi Faheem zaman &#8211; ordered &#8216;STOP&#8217; picking up Trash from SINDH Govt buildings. within 3 days matter was sorted and SINDH Govt passed a bill &#8211; exempting Utility vehicles from Road Tax., it was resolved without intervention of Federal Govt -</p>
<p>It is about taking interest and focusing on the problem,</p>
<p>I tell you what, city nazim can dig out craters barring access of public transport to &amp; from all cantoments, KPT wharves, etc etc &#8211; within 72 hours all CEOs ( cantonment executive officers) will be at his door step with both hands extended for all required cooperation.</p>
<p>viz a viz it has to be reciprocated in likely manner, in mutual benefit of city of Karachi.</p>
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		<title>By: Khurram Faheem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Khurram Faheem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>5% of population owns cars, maybe not correct! u see more cars on the road then people!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>5% of population owns cars, maybe not correct! u see more cars on the road then people!</p>
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		<title>By: sheeraz hassan</title>
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		<dc:creator>sheeraz hassan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dear mr.shamsi,nice to read such a kind and realistic words from u regarding tarffic problems in khi,i agree what ever u say but the problem is as u mantion one platform one mayor or nazim incharge,but khi city run  by 13 diferent bords and socities,and t.police is not under the city nazim as it should b,so in view of above he is doing his utmost to make this city batter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dear mr.shamsi,nice to read such a kind and realistic words from u regarding tarffic problems in khi,i agree what ever u say but the problem is as u mantion one platform one mayor or nazim incharge,but khi city run  by 13 diferent bords and socities,and t.police is not under the city nazim as it should b,so in view of above he is doing his utmost to make this city batter.</p>
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		<title>By: RockOnKarachi</title>
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		<dc:creator>RockOnKarachi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 20:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@LAHORRI

Oh mere Pai jan! we&#039;re talking about a big big big majore metropolitan city that generates everything for a country, so sorry to say there&#039;s no space for insignificant cities like Lahore, we are talking about a major city here so please go and enjoy your lassi in food street, Karachi is the city that ROCKS! call it New York of Pakistan or London of Britian.

ROCK ON KARACHI!</description>
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<p>Oh mere Pai jan! we&#8217;re talking about a big big big majore metropolitan city that generates everything for a country, so sorry to say there&#8217;s no space for insignificant cities like Lahore, we are talking about a major city here so please go and enjoy your lassi in food street, Karachi is the city that ROCKS! call it New York of Pakistan or London of Britian.</p>
<p>ROCK ON KARACHI!</p>
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		<title>By: lahorii</title>
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		<dc:creator>lahorii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 16:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>karachi kay bhayoooooooooooonnn lahore rocks ker lo jo kerna hai...yer city is just crap....ker lo jo  kerna hai it will still be a load full of dirt and under development</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>karachi kay bhayoooooooooooonnn lahore rocks ker lo jo kerna hai&#8230;yer city is just crap&#8230;.ker lo jo  kerna hai it will still be a load full of dirt and under development</p>
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		<title>By: Dubai Keh Bhia Log</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dubai Keh Bhia Log</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 07:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent topic and correct analysis.</description>
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		<title>By: Jamal Shamsi</title>
		<link>http://karachi.metblogs.com/2007/11/30/in-other-blogs-from-karachi-cities-for-cars-or-people/comment-page-1/#comment-49201</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamal Shamsi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 07:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@TOPIC

The 1st phase shall be civic sense of the ROAD users,

Next comes the timings for heavy traffic and public transport. Articulated buses on main throughfares and mini buses on connecting arteries.

Motorcycles to be sidetracked, and min &amp; max speed limit to be set &amp; observed on each connecting artery and throughfare.

All vehicles must undergo a fitness test as functionality classification for usage of roads.

Older the vehicle THICKEST the road tax implied on it. (whereas it is vice versa - 1965  is now plying on road Tax free)

Karachi City Govt on TOP shall coordinate with Traffic Chief, and Police Chief at the Central Police Office, to keep tab on encroachments, and TOWN Nazims shall be responsible for such managment in coordination with TPOs and TMOs.

Vehicles involved in constrution shall be restricted on routes and managed.

Managment is no BIG deal, we all have seen the Town volunteers managing traffic with police help in Ramzan,

The only thing is about getting all on ONE platform to begin with the Town Nazim, CCPO the Public Transport Representative and devise the plan.

Karachi is much larger &amp; wider then London, have great and WIDE network of roads, then London. 

The worst part is that we lack managment., which can be dealt with focus and determination.

KCR (karachi circular railway) is federal issue to be sorted by the Governer who is federal representative of Centre and shall take the issue seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@TOPIC</p>
<p>The 1st phase shall be civic sense of the ROAD users,</p>
<p>Next comes the timings for heavy traffic and public transport. Articulated buses on main throughfares and mini buses on connecting arteries.</p>
<p>Motorcycles to be sidetracked, and min &amp; max speed limit to be set &amp; observed on each connecting artery and throughfare.</p>
<p>All vehicles must undergo a fitness test as functionality classification for usage of roads.</p>
<p>Older the vehicle THICKEST the road tax implied on it. (whereas it is vice versa &#8211; 1965  is now plying on road Tax free)</p>
<p>Karachi City Govt on TOP shall coordinate with Traffic Chief, and Police Chief at the Central Police Office, to keep tab on encroachments, and TOWN Nazims shall be responsible for such managment in coordination with TPOs and TMOs.</p>
<p>Vehicles involved in constrution shall be restricted on routes and managed.</p>
<p>Managment is no BIG deal, we all have seen the Town volunteers managing traffic with police help in Ramzan,</p>
<p>The only thing is about getting all on ONE platform to begin with the Town Nazim, CCPO the Public Transport Representative and devise the plan.</p>
<p>Karachi is much larger &amp; wider then London, have great and WIDE network of roads, then London. </p>
<p>The worst part is that we lack managment., which can be dealt with focus and determination.</p>
<p>KCR (karachi circular railway) is federal issue to be sorted by the Governer who is federal representative of Centre and shall take the issue seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Mohd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mohd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 05:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny how they never analyze these things from other major cities like NYC or Boston or Toronto&#039;s Point of View. Those cities progress when new highways and roads are made but that is not the case with us. Look at dubai, that city is appalling they are allowing more people into the city than they can manage. And that whole arguement of the poor suffer because car accidents due to encroachments really needs to be reassessed because correct me if Im wrong but hasnt the city of Khi just built two pedestrian overpasses. The problem is not the cities if they dont follow it and neither is it the poors because they don&#039;t know any better. Instead of pointing fingers and blaming the city for its efforts and initiative these &#039;experts&#039; should maybe consider spending time lobbying for compulsory free public education. Though I agree with a circular rail system being implemented like Mumbai.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny how they never analyze these things from other major cities like NYC or Boston or Toronto&#8217;s Point of View. Those cities progress when new highways and roads are made but that is not the case with us. Look at dubai, that city is appalling they are allowing more people into the city than they can manage. And that whole arguement of the poor suffer because car accidents due to encroachments really needs to be reassessed because correct me if Im wrong but hasnt the city of Khi just built two pedestrian overpasses. The problem is not the cities if they dont follow it and neither is it the poors because they don&#8217;t know any better. Instead of pointing fingers and blaming the city for its efforts and initiative these &#8216;experts&#8217; should maybe consider spending time lobbying for compulsory free public education. Though I agree with a circular rail system being implemented like Mumbai.</p>
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		<title>By: ali</title>
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		<dc:creator>ali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The city govt needs to realize that it simply can&#039;t keep on building infrastructure to accomodate the vehicles that ply on it, this way as Sid mentioned the cycle is just going to multiply itself. Instead, it needs to reduce the number of vehicles that ply on the roads and introduce a proper public transport system (I won&#039;t blame anyone if they don&#039;t use PT because they don&#039;t wanna go on W-11&#039;s). Another major problem is rickshaws, which are major contributors of noise and air pollution, and even worse the auto guys are reluctant to CNG their autos. I think the only way out of this is to simply tell the guys to go find work somewhere else; we can&#039;t accomodate each and every one&#039;s need in a population of 12 million (someone else here needs to check their figures @ Wikipedia).

Of course, there will be some sacrifices needed on part of the citizens if the mass transit system needs to be revamped, but a little period of pain pays off better than a long run in vain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The city govt needs to realize that it simply can&#8217;t keep on building infrastructure to accomodate the vehicles that ply on it, this way as Sid mentioned the cycle is just going to multiply itself. Instead, it needs to reduce the number of vehicles that ply on the roads and introduce a proper public transport system (I won&#8217;t blame anyone if they don&#8217;t use PT because they don&#8217;t wanna go on W-11&#8242;s). Another major problem is rickshaws, which are major contributors of noise and air pollution, and even worse the auto guys are reluctant to CNG their autos. I think the only way out of this is to simply tell the guys to go find work somewhere else; we can&#8217;t accomodate each and every one&#8217;s need in a population of 12 million (someone else here needs to check their figures @ Wikipedia).</p>
<p>Of course, there will be some sacrifices needed on part of the citizens if the mass transit system needs to be revamped, but a little period of pain pays off better than a long run in vain.</p>
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