ring roads the answer?

Karachi Strategic Development Plan 2020 proposes upto 4 ring roads in Karachi. From the looks of it, it sounds good, since one of the biggest problem i’ve faced while commuting in the city was using an alternative.

R1 to R4, slated to be complete by 2020 (which is only 12 years away) in addition to the current roads and expressways in the city, just might help moving people around better…

or it just might create hundreds of more opportunities to be stuck in a traffic jam.

what do you think?

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35 Comments so far

  1. d0ct0r (unregistered) on January 19th, 2008 @ 4:04 pm

    keep building hundreds of ring roads,signal free corridors,prefab flyovers,underpasses and keep sending kickbacks and comission to Altaf bai in london.. unless they don’t build a proper Circular Railway/metro system then these roads would simply be useless


  2. ShahidnUSA (unregistered) on January 19th, 2008 @ 4:27 pm

    Yes, Metro rail car going “into the city” is the solution for todays and tomorrows transport chaos.

    @ Doctor
    Are you crazy. Sending money from pakistan to shrink into pounds?
    Dont you think there are enough Pakistanis in UK to support him and stop being a bug up his ass.


  3. mansoor (unregistered) on January 19th, 2008 @ 4:32 pm

    @doctor: whats ur beef?? u just keeping saying one stupid line again and again. I swear if i had the option, i’d ban u from here. stupid idiot!


  4. d0ct0r (unregistered) on January 19th, 2008 @ 4:41 pm

    Karachi Mass Transit Project is already jeopardized by MQM’s moneyman Babur Ghauri and his
    partners as he plans to build a 15 story apartment building on a portion of land reserved for Corridor-III of KMTP, Britisher Altaf bai would have not be objection either as he must be getting his share in advance…

    http://www.dawn.com/2007/12/08/local1.htm
    http://dawn.com/2007/12/02/letted.htm#7


  5. d0ct0r (unregistered) on January 19th, 2008 @ 4:56 pm

    well let me post something before you ban me..

    http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/8526/trafficsolution2kmboz7.jpg

    just view it closely.. no matter how many roads you build they’ll fill up unless there is someone at that top with his brain intact..


  6. d0ct0r (unregistered) on January 19th, 2008 @ 6:40 pm

    instead of approving lucrative contracts/tenders worth billions of rupees work out a strategy to free up existing roads from traffic.. give people alternate mode of transport and then impose citycenter tax on traffic entering city center during rush hours… currently you can’t expect businessman/corporate mangers/seth sahibs etc to travel in shabby world war II bedford buses.. get some luxury buses charge them 30~50 rs (they can easily afford even more) .. similarly general public should also get some decent affordable mode of transportation, poor karachiites don’t deserve to commute on rooftops of buses ..

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/moody72/2153805422/


  7. d0ct0r (unregistered) on January 19th, 2008 @ 8:40 pm

    i personally know of many filthy rich karachiites who ditched their chauffeur driven luxury SUVs/sedans in favor of those green buses operated by Swedish scania co during naimutullah khan’s period.. sadly too much political interference forced them packup and close down the whole operation..

    you don’t really need to reinvent the wheel just west have already done significant research n development on this matter so benifit from their experience and expertise..instead of hastily making ill planned bridges like shershah bridge which turn into rubble in less then a month after their inaguration…


  8. Kashif (unregistered) on January 19th, 2008 @ 9:31 pm

    One ring (road) to rule them all – from azizabad to london


  9. AMMAR (unregistered) on January 19th, 2008 @ 11:22 pm

    Yes this is the same Loya Jirga Approach headed by Shahi Syed which doest not allow for development of Karachi. Keep it environmentally polluted, if any one plan to make it environment frindly, bring the ethnic bias around and the plan will be shelved. Yes doctor, dont give the rights to the people of Karachi (those who really belong to karachi) and always bring the ethnic bias so that no one can develop this city. This is how the city will remain a problematic city. City full of Chaos and uncertainity. Go back in history, Niamatullah being a good person was forced to give many (if not all) contracts to the mansoorah based companies. Please doctor have dare to speak the truth. What Karachi looks like now is due to the CDGK not because of any one else. Karachi deserve the share of development and it is getting now after 60 years of independence.


  10. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on January 19th, 2008 @ 11:49 pm


    One ring (road) to rule them all – from azizabad to london

    and One from Aiwan-e-Sadr to Turkey. :-)


  11. AMMAR (unregistered) on January 20th, 2008 @ 12:02 am

    yes and one from you home to uffaq technologies will solve your traffic problems also. This is not free certification of Brain Bench Adnan, this is about Karachi. Come out of your prejudice and have the dare to think positive about Karachi.


  12. BLOG KARACHI BLOG : THE BEST BLOG IN TOWN (unregistered) on January 20th, 2008 @ 12:53 am

    Well, can anyone check out http://www.blogkarachi.com & willing to post there ?


  13. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on January 20th, 2008 @ 11:16 am

    Ammar: thanks for going thru my CV :-). if only “thinking” could solve every problem then we must start thinking and do nothing. grow up my friend.


  14. AMMAR (unregistered) on January 20th, 2008 @ 12:11 pm

    Adnan, it not thinking, its the pessimism that is prevailing in our thougths. When the massive construction started in Karachi, every one was sarcastic about it. Now you see the change. Lets be optimistic and see what is going to happen. Things are moving forward. Its not the matter of Niamatullah or Mustafa Kamal, its the real benefit of Karachi. We all must be supportive of that and should stand by them. We need development.


  15. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on January 20th, 2008 @ 12:17 pm

    Dvelopment?
    Jaga jaga garbage dumper rakhey huway, wall chalking huwi hay, Road ke beech me gutter ke dhakkan hain jin k waja se motor bike walo ka accident hota hay.

    Agar ye sab development hey tu Khuda bachay humay.

    If a govt fails to provide basic necessities like clean water,food etc then such flyovers etc become meaningless. we can’t EAT or DRINK flyovers, can we?
    Local govt had enough money to build the biggest fountain but no money to built water filtration plant? We have been forced to use Fontalia and other water services at home. It’s not progress, its a decline which we don’t realize at all.


  16. AMMAR (unregistered) on January 20th, 2008 @ 12:56 pm

    Come on Adnan, fontalia type waters are used every where in the world. Some people may have filters at home, but EVERY CITY IN THE WORLD is using the filtered or bottled water. Its actually not a national approach that is coming out. Agar gattar ka dhakkan nahee hai to har shaks dekhay ga aur kuch nahee kare ga. We need to develop that approach. Her shaks apni responsibilty ko samje to behtar hoga. Please ADNAN, you are also flowing with the stream, just criticizing.


  17. Faraz (unregistered) on January 20th, 2008 @ 1:49 pm

    as someone was talking about the KMTP being jeopardized , this WILL not be the case , as reported in DAWN

    http://www.dawn.com/2008/01/20/local2.htm


  18. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on January 20th, 2008 @ 2:03 pm

    cleverly you didn’t answer my questions. So providing basic necessities is NOT duty of government? or do you want to say that people on other part of the world also don’t drink clean water? I don’t do wall chalking so I should not be blamed for this.

    you talk about responsibility, how can we even talk about responsibility when ruling MQM party itself messed every wall of Karachi by writing galians to Imran and His family? when we have such government then how can we expect something sensible from them?

    kabootar k tarha ankhain band karne se kaam nahi chalay ga bhai. wake up!


  19. AMMAR (unregistered) on January 20th, 2008 @ 2:26 pm

    Hmmm, so the cat is out of the bag now. So its only anti Mohajir and MQM agenda which the sold out people are doing after seeing the development in Karachi. Criticizing for criticizing. Come on Adnan you are an educated person. You have to show some prudence in your judgement. We are not living in a communist state where every thing is the responsibilty of the state. The community also has the responsibilty to share and the do some of the things themselves. This can only happen if we own Karachi like the way we own our homes.


  20. bluemax (unregistered) on January 20th, 2008 @ 5:35 pm

    @d0ct0r, “Karachi Mass Transit Project is already jeopardized by MQM’s moneyman”. You stupid idiot (yes this is the first time I am using these words for you because I have had enough of your BS comments) not every evil is because of MQM. Read today’s paper (as posted by Faraz earlier).

    “Land for transit system recovered from influential builder”. “The influential builder, who reportedly enjoys a close friendship with the KBCA chief controller, had earlier managed to have the building plans approved”. “Karachi Nazim Syed Mustafa Kamal intervened in the matter”
    http://www.dawn.com/2008/01/20/local2.htm


  21. bluemax (unregistered) on January 20th, 2008 @ 5:52 pm

    @d0ct0r, “impose citycenter tax on traffic entering city center during rush hours”. Good idea but do you think it is wrokable based on the ground realities. You know this that CDGK (read MQM) can’t implement city-center-tax because that area is under the control of Cantt Board. When Nazim says that the city should be under one authority, ppl like you start criticizing MK. If the Cantt. Board puts up a tax on city center then ppl like Adnan Siddiqi we say that Army is trying to fleece the citizens of Karachi.


  22. d0ct0r (unregistered) on January 20th, 2008 @ 5:58 pm

    “…the builder be asked to spare a 60-foot strip between the bridge and the proposed high-rise building project; the builder agreed willingly”

    @blue as they say “some thing is better then nothing” ,it still remains an illegally occupied plot,it doesn’t even have a proper address something like “survey #xyz” ,they occupied it and got a survey number alloted,that land was never meant for highrise apartments,now MQM is just hushing up the matter as its been reported in media and attracting negative publicity..
    its like if i occupy main road coz i am friends with Babar Ghauri and KBCA chief controller and when media makes a fuss about it then i say ,ok i’ll spare 60-foot-wide portion for cars to pass and rest i’ll use for construction…


  23. AMMAR (unregistered) on January 20th, 2008 @ 6:12 pm

    Dont worry about Karachi doctor. People of Karachi can handle it. Just try to have courage to say truth. You will eventually find some KHOKA near TEEN HATTI with with your colleagues who are experts in BLACK MAGIC.


  24. AMMAR (unregistered) on January 20th, 2008 @ 7:22 pm

    I am sorry to inform you that my comments are being witheld by the blogger. Wow this is what they can do. Only allow who are against the people of Karachi. It was against some of the nonsense by Doctor and showing the realities and giving the truth which was not tolerated. What a pity.


  25. t1 (unregistered) on January 20th, 2008 @ 8:18 pm

    @ AMMAR
    yup man.. they are censoring a lot of people here except “Doctor””!!

    Does “Doctor” own KMB by any chance??


  26. AMMAR (unregistered) on January 20th, 2008 @ 9:04 pm

    I dont know, but may be he is using different nicks. We never saw him to be blocked despite his non sense


  27. Concerned (unregistered) on January 20th, 2008 @ 9:44 pm

    PPL

    The best way to get Doctor to shut up is to not engage him in a stupid discussion. There is no point Adnan and Doctor are typical Jamiatis, to them MQM is shaitan (the devil, not the kind u call kids).

    I think there should be warning with each post asking all to avoid discussing MQM with Adnan and Doctor.

    Wohi gheesi peti batein bar bar bolte rahete hain.


  28. d0ct0r (unregistered) on January 20th, 2008 @ 11:24 pm

    yea yea i own dawn and ajj tv as well and 12th may episode was engineered by me to damage MQM’s image..yea i am a jamati too hatching conspiracies against paragon n innocuous MQM ..
    it is completely futile to argue with dimwits..


  29. AMMAR (unregistered) on January 20th, 2008 @ 11:58 pm

    Yeap Doctor, its you ethnic and political bias which neved saw the looting and plundering on 27-29 December 2007. Its the same bias which can never encompass the single free corridors, K3, underpasses and fly overs ans so on. Come on doctor, be realistic and see and feel the development. Even a blind can feel the positive change.


  30. ShahidnUSA (unregistered) on January 21st, 2008 @ 4:59 am

    @ Doctor
    You sound hungry for love. Buddy take a nice mud bath, put your feet in warm water and have it massaged by a cute vietnamese girl (I had one done yesterday and it was great). Remove your constipation and make love to your woman or man (whichever your swing is) and then sit in front of your computer.
    Beating the same band over and over is boring.


  31. HITMAN (unregistered) on January 21st, 2008 @ 10:18 am

    Saima Bridge View is totally an illegal project. If u happen to visit the place, u would be surprised at how on earth 1 can build a high rise building there. “A 60 ft. strip” recovered from builder??? My foot. Whats gonna happen in very near future? This project should be shunned completely.


  32. HITMAN (unregistered) on January 21st, 2008 @ 10:22 am

    U dont have to be anti MQM or anti Development to figure out the credibility of the said project, A simple visit with some common sense would tell u the story


  33. HITMAN (unregistered) on January 21st, 2008 @ 10:29 am

    Even if this plot weren’t reserved for KMTP, I cant think of such plot being converted into any sort of a structure (except for a park may be) let alone a high rise. This is just like if some one starts to build a high rise on the road islands of North Nazimabad Arteries. Could any 1 digest that?


  34. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on January 22nd, 2008 @ 1:52 am


    Just try to have courage to say truth.

    @Ammar: those who dared to say truth are currently resting in peace. Hakim Saeed,Azeem Tariq and Khaleed bin Waleed are one of many. Geo’s Jahil online Amir Liaquat also kicked out from the ministership since he said something in favor of Prophet(saw) which irked Bai’s secular agenda.

    @Concerned: I don’t bring MQM every time but darling I hope your memory has not lost in last couple of months that you have forgot all my posts about “real face” of Jamat-e-Islami Haqiqi(i.e: MQM) on same forums and none of MQM supporters like you, psuedo reality check and others were able to refute those claims. Archives of thi blog are still active and you or any newbie could go thru them and produce something concrete to refute those comments. Have fun.


  35. AMMAR (unregistered) on January 23rd, 2008 @ 3:52 pm

    Adnan, Yes the same propaganda which people having vested interest spread every time. History will tell who killed Hakim Saeed,Azeem Tariq and Khaleed bin Waleed, thanks you did not blamed Liaquat Ali Khan murder on MQM. What do you mean people who dared to speak truth are killed by MQM, this is baseless, there are millions of people who are living in Karachi are not supporting MQM, but yet they are living. Even in the poorest localities, there are candidates who are MQM opponents but they are contesting and speaking openly. This is only maligning the representatives of Karachi. if MQM would ever been involved in the killing of Hakim Saeed,Azeem Tariq and Khaleed bin Waleed, would the long operation which killed thousands of karachittes, was not sufficient to get the proof. MQM has to be credited for the religious harmony in the cities of Sindh, to say the least. All the sects respect them. Do you think that the religious scholars would ever support a party who dont like the prophet (pbuh), this is again baseless. Please have the courage and speak the truth. No one will say any thing even if you dont speak truth but can you justify it yourself and if you can justify this to your self, how long. TRUTH HAS TO COME OUT SOME DAY AND IT WILL..



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