Imran Khan barred from entering Karachi

For the third time around [first] [second] Imran Khan has been barred from Sindh. DAWN reports

Pakistani authorities barred opposition politician Imran Khan from entering Karachi on Thursday because he has called for a boycott of upcoming elections, officials said. Former cricket legend Khan was put back on a plane to Islamabad after officials prevented him from entering the southern province of Sindh, of which Karachi is the capital, Sindh home minister Akhtar Zamin said. “We do not want anything to disrupt the elections. That is why have sent him back,” Zamin told AFP. “If he does not want to contest elections, it is fine, but he should not incite other people to do so. He will be welcome to visit Sindh after elections.”

Seems like he still remains a sore thorn for the Sindh Govt aka MQM, but its interesting to see yet another lame excuse while other leaders of the APDM who are also boycotting the elections are permitted to enter Sindh.
Discussion is naturally open but please remain civil

138 Comments so far

  1. Muhammad Sulaiman (unregistered) on February 10th, 2008 @ 2:24 pm

    One of the commentrator has held MQM responsible for the rising street crimes in Karachi. I would ask him to do some work and try to find out the ethnicity of the people involved in phone snatching and other such crime. He will know that nearly all of them have Afghani, Pathan and Punjabi origin.


  2. AH (unregistered) on February 10th, 2008 @ 4:00 pm

    Obviously, this conversation isn’t going anywhere because, as everyone can read, none of the questions were answered.


  3. FAS (unregistered) on February 10th, 2008 @ 4:22 pm

    I fully agree with Sulaiman, that majority of Street crimes are committed by Afghanis (if not pathans), Punjabies and sindhies as well. Very rearly you will find local youth is involved in this activity. This is my personal experaince. Every time the robber was of Pathan origin. ANP is the group of thugs and thieves whoe are claiming thier share from this city by looting the actual redidents of Karachi. And if any action is taken against them, they restore to firing and burning public and private property.

    It is high time that there should be a sperate police force for Karachi to control the street crime in the city


  4. zee (unregistered) on February 10th, 2008 @ 6:15 pm

    AH: You are such a pathetic fool!! Dude, who do you think built the flyovers? Superman? Or batman? Or do you think it is made of made courtesy spiderman? Nopes, they are all made by a workforce, people, poor people who are totally jobless are hired to construct these mega projects. Hundreads of people are required to do such jobs, not only to build the fly overs but to make sure that utility lines are shifted, new ones are installed, roads being broken, new built etc etc

    Are these not job opportunities on grass root level? Or do you believe that the term JOB OPPORTUNITIES are only meant for those who work in a white color environment? Dumb dumb!

    As for power plants… MQM has been in power for the last couple of years. Power plants take a long time to be built. First you conduct a study, build damns, install the whole plant and then distribute the electricity. It takes time. If Benazir and Nawaz had initiated the construction of power plants, you would have been seeing the results today but noooooo, they were too damn busy looting the whole country. CDGK has already signed contracts with international and national companies who will be installing smaller power unites to produce 100-150 mega watts of power. I think these plants will NOT, I repeat will NOT help all of us but at least it will contribute something to some extent and that too within a year or two.

    As for you asking people better off than last 10 years then YES, of course they are. The fact is that our standard of life has increased many folds and our salaries have not. Remember the time when you used to beg for a phone line, wait for YEARSSSSS for a demand note to reach your home and then wait another year or two for the phone line to finally start working? Now you don’t have to go through that, you use one of the cheapest cellular services in the world.

    Anyone who is jobless these days is because he is either not willing to work or is not good enough to work. There are literally thousands of jobs available right now. It’s hard to find people these days and when you do, they want high salaries… why? Because they are already working for a comapny and are not jobless. Dude, get out of that rat hole of yours and embrace the corporate facts!

    Don’t put MQM responsible for every little crime and thing happening in Karachi. When a blast occurs in Punjab, why doesn’t anyone blame PML Q or PML N or when a blast occurs in NWFP, why doesn’t anyone blame MMA?

    Why blame MQM who is running a city that has all kind of crap in it? Starting from Afghans to punjabies and even somalians… they all come here, it’s a lot messier place. A place like Karachi is hard to work with than a place like Quetta, Lahore, Islamabad etc etc where locals are in fair majority!

    Afghans, pathans, sindhies, punjabies… do you think EVERYONE works for MQM? Do you think they are all innocent goats and they do nothing? If you commute through public transport, you’ll know how much they care about you and how well organized their traffic mafia is. Don’t even get me started on cell snatching, drugs, weapons, bomb blasts etc

    Get your god damn facts together and then try to speak out here!

    SHAHIDINUSA: Who cares about flyovers? My friend, I care about… why? Well, I don’t want to answer that. If you really do want to know why, then come to Karachi and I’ll show you why and how it affects our lives.


  5. Concerned (unregistered) on February 10th, 2008 @ 6:35 pm

    Well said Zee,

    I just dont have the patience to keep on arguing with these Dumb F**ks anymore.

    Keep up the good work.


  6. AMMAR (unregistered) on February 10th, 2008 @ 7:18 pm

    Wow Zee, you are the hero my dear. Stooges must be sitting together to discuss what to write next. Mate to them. Its enough now and now this post must be closed.

    Finishing with a convincing note. KIA ISHQ NAY SAMJA HAI, KIA HUSN NAI JANA HAI, HAM KHAK NASHEENON KI THOKAR MAI ZAMANA HAI.

    Moderator, can you close this post. It doest need any more comments.


  7. Concerned (unregistered) on February 10th, 2008 @ 8:32 pm

    AH

    Who will you vote for then? Because you obviously think you are not what I initially said about you.

    You really care about Khi dont you, so who do you think over the past 30 years has been the best for Khi?? Dont give bull shit give me names and reasons. MQM supporters have propoganda based on facts what do you have to base your decisions on?

    Zee answered your questions, now how abt you answer mine.

    And babe look at the number of posts done by teethy boy on different constituencies, who got the most votes by KMB visitors. This my friend clearly puts you in minority on this page as for the city MQM has always won the most seats in it not because of rigging. You cant rig the entire city, its not as easy as ppl make it sound. MQM still has supporters and all of them are educated, thats more then I can say about the vote bank of other leaders.

    Moderator please let this go on for a while I am curious to see how AH responds.


  8. AMMAR (unregistered) on February 10th, 2008 @ 8:55 pm

    Com’on CONCERNED, same monotonous comments will come, HMMM you are playing LOL.


  9. Reality_Check (unregistered) on February 10th, 2008 @ 9:05 pm

    MB remember it was not MQM who scandalized Imran Khan, remember the articles and photographs that were published when he first time entered into elections, they were all sponsored by JI and Nawaz Sharif, and when he married Jamima, who labelleld him as Jewish lobbyist, yes his current friends and yet he sits on their lap even after being physically roughed up.

    MQM did not initiate this, they did not start the barrage of insults, on the other hand quite a few in the MQM hirarchy did not like the way the retorts were being exchanged and reigned in the over enthusiasts, thats again a good sign for the party. Always remember, though MQM has sufficient reserves of educated Middle Class top, it is essentially made up of down to earth street politicians and they act and react the way thats natural to them. As long as they dont subscribe to any screwed up ideology, continue to learn / evolve and reach out to others, they will be good.


  10. Ali (unregistered) on February 11th, 2008 @ 2:45 am

    I am quite surprize to see Qazi Hussain side by side with most renowned International Zaani Imran Khan, now where is Shariat of Qazi Hussain?
    And more surprisingly Qazi Hussain coalition with Mehmood Khan Achakzai who never accepted Pakistan??
    Good going Qazi Hussain you are with out doubt the biggest Hypocrat of this world.


  11. Ali (unregistered) on February 11th, 2008 @ 2:54 am

    The only problem MQM haters have is the mandate given to MQM by the masses.
    If some one who was born in karachi or lived in karachi and hate MQM doesn’t mean they should impose will on the majority of the people of this city who vote for MQM.
    In Pakistan we talk about democracy but we are not accepting the mandate of MQM ! WHY ???
    Because MQM is from the middle and lower middle class ??
    Shame on you Perhay likhay Jahiloo MQM have the mandate of 70 % of this city so let MQM rule.


  12. AH (unregistered) on February 11th, 2008 @ 6:53 am

    Alleged pathetic fool here. Alright Zee, here we go. See the response below.

    Flyovers: So, now that the flyovers have been made and the laborers paid, where is the industry? I know that I wasn’t as simple as you like (hence my critical thinking comment) so let me re-clarify: The point wasn’t that the construction of flyovers didn’t create jobs. Rather, the point was to ask that once the flyovers have been built, what are the jobs that they have created. Generally, my simple special-minded friend, flyovers go to and from industrial parks. Where are they?

    Power plants: Really? MQM has only been in power for the last couple of years? Musharraf has been in power for seven years and MQM has been there with him. And, in those seven years, what industry have they created, other than construction but I think we discussed that above. Again, let me be really simple, as anything more complex than one plus one does not make sense to you, the point about power plants was to illustrate (hope that word isn’t too complex) my question about new industry development in Karachi.

    People Better Off: You do realize that there are things more important than a phone line. Of course, you as an MQM supporter probably steal everything so aren’t aware of what the regular folks go through, so let me clarify: food, housing, safety, gasoline, etc. are a little more important. These are the things that the real people care about and they are, today, much more expensive without a corresponding (oops another big word) rise in salaries.

    Last, but not least, unemployment: I find it interesting, actually not interesting but rather pitiful, that you think that the people who are unemployed are in that position because "he is either not willing to work or is not good enough to work." Again, I don’t expect you to understand this since you probably steal everything you want and consider that your full-time job, but there are people in this city who are educated, intelligent and willing to work but cannot find jobs because the jobs that are available only go to those who kiss the MQM boots (like you and your idiotic friends).

    Anyway, it seems this has become a circular argument because I raise valid points and you take the retarded response route. So, in the interest of getting on with my life, since its obvious you don’t have one, I will bid you adieu.

    Just in case this post did not make any sense to you here is the summary: You are a moron, MQM is full of idiots, and every argument you and your supporters make is wrong. :) See you on the other posts.


  13. MB (unregistered) on February 11th, 2008 @ 11:04 am

    Alright this is for my MQM brothers who have worked hard to defend it here time and again. I don’t want to name them. They know I am referring to them & therefore I am just quoting them without names.

    Back in 90s when I had some sort of support for MQM it was mainly due to the reason that I believed that MQM & PPP are the only parties with some ground in public, the first criteria to bring about a change.

    As you can see, I am quietly openly against the MMA lot. PPP has now become Plunder People Party so nothing required on that too. Many have labeled me as an IMRAN voter or fan or something. Just for record I am not. I believe he is living in fool’s paradise. This filthy politics has no place for people like him. He is an idiot if he thinks he can change the minds of a nation that has been changed into a clean shaved Talibans (PPP, MQM, ANP, regional parties) & the bearded Talibans (MMA & MMA+) by evil ZIA.

    That was an overview. Now back to MQM. So I was saying back in 90s when I had some sort of support for MQM for reason I mentioned. But with time I realized that it’s just a mafia of militants who run politics on fear. Their power comes from the fact that the poor/middle class Urdu speaking Karachiites had been victimized by BIG BROTHER in past & there was injustice in sharing resources which in turn forced these brothers to support MQM because they had no second option available to them. Poor Mohajirs were ethnically brainwashed to hate BIG BROTHER in every way (for right and wrong reason in right and wrong ways) thus to create a justification for terrorist like Altaf. So their choice for Altaf is not by choice in reality. On a given day they would love to see him disappear somewhere & replaced by a good visionary leader who really cares about Pakistan & Karachi.

    Back to previous point:-
    So well I was saying MQM was taken over by the clean shaved talibans. If you compare both talibans (MMA / MQM) there is a stunningly similarity between them.
    – They just cannot hear anything against their leaders
    – They cannot tolerate any comment against their ideology
    – They cannot argue & are comfortable resorting to either bullets (MQM) or Bombs(MMA)
    – They are masters at brainwashing people (by choice or by fear) for their ideology.
    – This is proved from the fact that the age of die hard fans of both ideologies is between15 – 30, the best age for emotional exploitation.
    – Both consider themselves as the only TRUE & thus not willing to accommodate any other idea.
    – While one is religiously biased other is ethnically biased. See above comments where one MQM fan mentions his whole family who in every season for centuries (sarcastically) has been a fan of MQM no matter what. This is what Blindness is referred to in simply language. If I belong to a party/sect/ethnic/city etc. which has done something wrong I don’t have the guts to say YES THEY DID WRONG, I am a biased conservative who has a discriminatory personality and who is willing to just follow the same route no matter what.
    – Earlier I mentioned that the MMA/MQM both cannot argue so they usually resort to name calling or trying to make fun of the responder. Examples abundant. Look at the way they refer to always-anti-MQM Mr. Doctor & Teeth Maestro. & one MQM supporter referred to me as MB(the biggest mistake of his parents). When they fail to convince you through argument they resort to personal attacks. They have this with us or against us attitude built in them & this has actually traveled from their TOP leadership starting from LONDON base of the DON.

    I seriously pity the educated MQM brothers who follow the man in London who cannot beat a KG-1 student in decent talking, forget leading a party. I personally feel Imran Farooq makes some sense & so does few other men in that party but the majority of it comes from what we saw on May 12. The real base of MQM does have some good and hard working people in it but just like you describe a HUMAN form the majority characteristics similarly you will do so in case of a party & MQM has unfortunately made itself a publicly-acceptable mafia & credit does go to them ( their recent efforts include bringing actors/actresses/professionals to their party by force or by choice. We all know about the Salman Ahmed’s letter against MQM. I am sure we have many such stories in the making right now but lets wait. But credit to MQM for that hard work. Mere public support doesn’t make Hammas (MQM equivalent in Palestine) a political party; it is from its core a militant party, mind you.

    Here are some picks from MQM fans:-
    " It’s strange how you remember May 12 but you don’t recall that thugs in Shereen Rehman’s car were also firing, how PPP and ANP ghundas also had guns in their hands and destroying cars etc?"
    Personally everyone including PPP, ANP & obviously MQM should be brought to justice for their involvement in May 12. I didn’t see you taking this stance, why? Your logic is because they were involves so we should be spared as well ? Would you , here, publicly call for a UN investigation for May 12, just like Altaf bhai supported the same for BB’s killing?

    " Why a person who is anti state like Imran Khan Should get all his Freedom?"
    Who are you to decide who is anti-State?. I could laugh at you for making such a statement especially when you are a fan of a party whose leader objected to the very existence of the land he is living in. Hypocrisy and Opportunism at best.

    "The person is asking for Foreign Interference every time he Travels Abroad"
    Please quote some links/examples etc.

    "These people should have no right of Politics in the country."
    Taliban thinking again. A terror leader should have right running mafia from London but IMRAN shouldn’t. I envy your mentality of ultimate justice.

    "In an interview, he recommended no international cricket for Karachi."
    Please quote some links or sources. If he did that, I strongly condemn such a statement.

    " I just dont have the patience to keep on arguing with these Dumb F**ks anymore."
    Hahaha……. See………that’s what I bashed about up there. Those who come from a militant background never have any argument to argue on, firstly. I understand your loss of patience dear. You cannot fake tolerance for long, even over internet forget in real life.


  14. Jamal Shamsi (unregistered) on February 11th, 2008 @ 11:40 am

    @MB – great , whoever narrated such detail to you must have a great insipirational value to you. :)

    in past 3 years you never wrote such WISE, so am honorbound to say it this way, without any offence.

    for me-

    MQM – the base heirarachy is no longer existing, their ideologoy is maligned. The statements from London are no longer in the interest of Pakistan, let alone Karachi.

    PPP – Its done and hijacked by CIA, Mr. 10% is pampered & groomed in NY to be HIS MASTERS’ voice when needed.

    Others – They are not united within how can they be united to rule the country.

    Religious parties – please listen to SAIRBEEN of 11 Feb 2008 at http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/urdu/meta/tx/sairbeen?size=au&bgc=003399〈=ur&nbram=1&nbwm=1&bbram=1&bbwm=1

    which was very candid and Moulana Fazal Ur Rehman was imbroiled when answering.

    If we look from an elevated sitaution at Pakistan from TOP, we are in chaos. The big DARK GAP of JIHALAT is overshadowed by Cable TV, Rowdy Media, Cell Phones, Internet.

    What we lack is education, which is basic to use correctly of the above "luxaries" as elevating lifestyle of people.

    If i choose to stay here in Election Vacation, I will vote – and suspend my vote by stamping multiple marks, so my vote appears as cancelled.

    For me I have lost faith in the system, but I have not lost faith in community and people standing for people. System can not decline peoples’ choice.


  15. SELF (unregistered) on February 11th, 2008 @ 2:22 pm

    "I am quite surprize to see Qazi Hussain side by side with most renowned International Zaani Imran Khan, now where is Shariat of Qazi Hussain?"

    When Mian Tufail Muhammad (former ameer of JI) was asked about his association with Zani Yahya Khan, he replied I did not see Yahya do anything wrong myself. I suppose Qazi’s istidlaal re Imran is the same. Fact is Imaran needs Qazi/JI’s certification of a good Muslim even more after his ghair Islmai kartoots all his life now that he is in politics in Islami Jamhooriyya Pakistan.

    "And more surprisingly Qazi Hussain coalition with Mehmood Khan Achakzai who never accepted Pakistan??"

    Why? Qazi’ds party (JI) opposed Pakistan too and Maududi famously referred to Pakistan as na-Pakistan. What is the surprise there?

    "Good going Qazi Hussain you are with out doubt the biggest Hypocrat of this world."

    TRUE but what else can be expected of the party of hypocrites JI.


  16. Concerned (unregistered) on February 11th, 2008 @ 4:15 pm

    AH

    You didnt answer my questions, come on man have a heart, I am dying of curiosity here.


  17. MB (unregistered) on February 11th, 2008 @ 4:37 pm

    ISI & Chaudhries staging one more attack
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/elections08/story/2008/02/080211_miranshah_suicide.shtml

    And the man in LONDON will confine himself to the formal "izhar e afsuus" but keep on licking chaudhry boots & military boots.

    Some one send a copy of a book on Nelson Mandela if the dumb heads wants to have an iota of info on what it is to be known as a LEADER.

    Poor Mohajir’s were butchered like animals in 90s by military and this man has bargained the blood for his luxuries in LONDON. I pity the city we call karachi.


  18. Concerned (unregistered) on February 11th, 2008 @ 4:51 pm

    MB dude, I have always agreed with you that Altaf is worthless, but the party policy and mandate is good. There are still alot of nice hard working ppl in MQM and the main example is MK.

    In the end these ppl help my city and that is all I need to know to vote for them. The way they do things doesnt effect me as long as it is for the greater good.

    Dude you have to believe in something and have to work towards a goal, giving up and not supporting anyone is never the answer. also stop making every MQM supporter sound like a gun trotting idiot. There are lots of decent ppl supporting the party as well.


  19. Kads (unregistered) on February 11th, 2008 @ 9:18 pm

    @MB: well said dude. Well said indeed.
    The london loving leader of MQM is no leader at all. And MQM would have a hard time convincing anyone to vote for a party thats lead by the terrorist taxi driver who loves the good life in london but it too big of a coward to come back to karachi. The only votes this "biggest blunder" of a leader will get is from the brainwashed fanatics is whose eyes he remains the "supreme all wise and all knowing" leader :)


  20. Ali (unregistered) on February 12th, 2008 @ 4:08 am

    @ KADS
    Altaf Hussain is one who gave identity to his community, He is a leader with out a doubt for urdu speaking people it is only Altaf Hussain who unite urdu speaking people and give them strength even USA accept that Urdu Speaking people or Mohajirs exists in Pakistan.
    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/pk.html
    Ethnic groups:
    Definition Field Listing
    Punjabi, Sindhi, Pashtun (Pathan), Baloch, Muhajir (immigrants from India at the time of partition and their descendants)
    Thank you Altaf Hussain for giving us identity power and strength.


  21. Reality_Check (unregistered) on February 12th, 2008 @ 7:07 am

    KADS I have no problems with the sayings of Altaf regardless how he says it, the points he is raising are absolutely right and relevant, his references to history are factual too.

    As for his coming back, I hope he stays put, this country has had enough of frenzy and excitement. He is the one unlike BB / Nawaz who doesnt need too either. To his credit, delegation of responsibility he has achieved in his party is nothing short of amazing. He is not a candidate for any office, so why should he?

    As it is MQM is on the right track, with an exciting young leadership with their hands on the pulse of the people they represent, working round the clock to better their lives. More enterprising talent will be inducted in this elections making it an even better team. A team that can deliver to its constituents and keep the fanatics at bay.


  22. MB (unregistered) on February 12th, 2008 @ 9:01 am

    @CONCERNED bhai
    For your kind information. I did mention earlier that i had sympathy for MQM & mentioned reasons too. Furthermore majority of my friend circle is Mohajir and i trust them for their hardwork, sincerity, peace loving citizens & best of all NO INVOLVEMENT in any kind of militant activity. And Majority of Urdu Speaking population dissociates itself from the filth of MQM. Its just that they dont have any other alternate against the evil in CAPITAL. The young innocent College & University students are thus brainwashed for the love of the LONDON man. But its actually the hate against the center rather the love for ALTAF that bounds them with MQM.

    Its not about being an enemy or something but i hate people acting like COWARD FANATICs and not accepting things which are visible to a blind even. Why they keep on trying to defend the indefensible? Thats my whole point.

    Earlier i mentioned Nelson Mandela. Does the coward in LONDON has 0.001% of what it takes to be a leader? (Yes has all when it comes to being a mafia or DON something).

    I truly believe if MQM could kick out ALTAF and the militant elements, they could be an ideal platform for change but some dreams will never materialize , at least not in near future.


  23. Justice Seeker (unregistered) on February 12th, 2008 @ 3:13 pm

    I DIFFER WITH THE ABSURD ARGUMENT THAT THE PEOPLE OF KARACHI SUPPORT ALTAF HUSSAIN AND/OR THE MQM BECAUSE OF NOT HAVING A CHOICE OR FOR THE LOVE OF ALTAF HUSSAIN.
    MOST OF THEM VOTE FOR THE MQM AS THEY ARE SCARED OF HIM AND HIS FASCIST PARTY.

    AND THE SO CALLED LIBERALS WHO JOIN MQM DO IT TO SERVE THEIR OWN VESTED INTERESTS….
    AND MQM TAKES THEM TO SERVE ITS INTEREST OF TRYING TO PORTRAY A CLEAN IMAGE TO THE WORLD.

    PEOPLE ALSO SUPPORTED HITLER…PEOPLE ALSO SUPPORTED MOLOSAVICH…
    HECK EVEN YAZID HAD A BIGGER FORCE AS COMPARED TO HUSSAIN (AS)…
    AND SO DID THE KUFFAR’S WHO FOUGHT AGAINST THE PROPHET (PBUH) IN BADR AND AUHAD…

    IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO TAKE THE PATH OF TRUTH…
    THEREFORE HISTORICALLY THE FORCES OF EVIL HAVE ALWAYS BEEN LARGER AND STRONGER COMPARED TO THE FORCES OF TRUTH…
    BUT TRUTH ALWAYS PREVAILS IN THE END…
    REGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME OF THE BATTLE…
    TRUTH PREVAILED WHEN BADR WAS WON AND TRUTH PREVAILED AFTER THE MASSACRE AT KARBALA…

    SO THE QUESTION IS:

    IS ONE GOING STAND AND SACRIFICE WITH AND FOR THE TRUTH?

    OR

    IS ONE GOING TO STAND NEXT TO EVIL AND TAKE THE SHORT CUT?

    THAT IS A CHOICE… I GUESS A DEMOCRATIC CHOICE….THAT EACH ONE OF US HAS TO MAKE OURSELVES.

    BUT BEFORE WE MAKE A CHOICE I WOULD HUMBLY REQUEST ALL TO READ "SURAH MUNAFEQUN"


  24. MB (unregistered) on February 12th, 2008 @ 4:08 pm

    @CONCERNED
    " But the party policy and mandate is good. . . ."
    Bring me a political party among 180 odd nations in 6 billion whose policy on paper is bad?
    Is that even a point to make really?

    JUSTICE SEEKER very well mentioned YAZID & HUSSAIN. Those fake-liberals tell me, would YAZID not beat HUSSAIN in a democratic setup, if its all about winning seats and counting heads?

    All those people who argue on figures when they mention MQMs popularity go dead-silent against above argument.

    FULL STOP.


  25. MB (unregistered) on February 12th, 2008 @ 4:13 pm

    Just for record, this is from wikipedia.

    "Hitler was a gifted orator who captivated many with his beating of the lectern and growling, emotional speech. He honed his skills by giving speeches to soldiers during 1919 and 1920. He had an ability to tell people what they wanted to hear (the stab-in-the-back, the Jewish-Marxists, Versailles). Over time Hitler perfected his delivery by rehearsing in front of mirrors and carefully choreographing his display of emotions with the message he was trying to convey. Munitions minister and architect Albert Speer, who may have known Hitler as well as anyone, said that Hitler was above all else an actor."

    And my friends REALITY,IMRAN and all known very well why i have copied this para.


  26. zee (unregistered) on February 12th, 2008 @ 6:44 pm

    Pathetic fools with absolute zero brain power!


  27. AZ (unregistered) on February 12th, 2008 @ 11:18 pm

    So, you ignorant people (MQM THUGS), call him playboy khan, hmm.. interesting, but how can you not, since your leader who seems to care a lot of you people & our great country Pakistan, is sitting in London, enjoying a lavish lifestyle, with the money that belongs to the people of karachi (ofcourse, by all ur "bhatta’s" & stolen cell phones etc) was / is an angel sent by God who has never even looked a woman let alone raping one…
    REALITY CHECK: Everyone knows what that altaf hussain used to do with women when he was living in karachi, & how MQM thugs used to rape women etc… anyway, i would rather not get into ur lame argument of trying to prove Mr. Altaf Hussain (Read: THUG, RAPIST etc) innocent.

    The fact is , MQM is scared of Imran Khan, & not only MQM, infact all this caretaker govt., including MUSH, the Chaudhry’s etc, since they have no logical explainations and answers to anything. What happened on the 12th of May, everyone saw who was behind it. But this time thanks to the MEDIA, MQM was exposed. Since the day MQM was formed, they have been ruining this great city of Karachi. There have been a lot of 12th May’s before, but this time, like i said thanks to the Media, they got exposed.
    If your leader loves this city so much, why doesnt he come back? whats up with him, proudly showing a picture of his British passport, with an ugly dog face smile on his face. Get real people.. you cant ignore the facts.

    Secondly, Imran Khan is the only politician in this country who is fighthing & stand up for principles. By participating in these fraud elections, or may i say selection, all the political parties are stabbing the struggle of the lawyers & the chief justice on their back!

    Secondly, if you call Imran Khan a playboy etc, first of all even if he was, that was the past. Hey, look at the examples in the Islamic History, there have been numerous sahabi’s who used to live inteh world of sin, & when they converted to Islam, did our prophet ever speak about their sinful past? although they were not even muslims, they were jews, christians etc etc…

    What bloody hypocrytes all you haters are, who cant face the reality & cannot accept the fact that there is this One person in the country who wants to establish a rule of law in the country where everyone gets equal justice & every citizen of Pakistan gets their basic rights.
    The fact is that, all you thugs & other people are scared of the fact, that once there is justice & rule of law, your corruption & badmashi wont be tolerated & ur so called PIR SAHAB will be behind bars.

    As far as the popularity of MQM is concerned you cant judge it by the number of votes they get. Even Hitler got the highest majority of supporters… reason being: he was a tyrant & people were scared…its the same with MQM, people are scared of them. I have been to MQM jalsa’s & it is unbelievable the kind of crap that happens there & the guy speaks from LOMDON, & all he talks is shit.

    Look at the history of mankind. Every idealist had been labeled as a fool. But it has always been a idealist & a dreamer who has brought a change for the betterment of society. People with vision have brough a change, not people with guns & thugs like MQM. Look at MQM’s history… PTI does not believe in Militancy LIke ALtaf, & who are you or anyone to declare Imran anti-state… There is not a single curroption charge against him, he is not sitting in london. trying to prove how much he loves karachi (like altaf), Imran has no case against him, nothing…
    if you look at the facts regading MQM, PPP & PML-Q, & N, MUSH etc, it is quite obvious that these people can be termed Anti-state. All these people have corruption cases against them. MUSH & his allies have gone against the constitution, they are the ones who have their militant wing in their parties to kill & loot people. Imran doesnt, since PTI does not want any bloodshed & PTI is anti-violence….

    As far as stopping Imran or for that matter anyone from going to any part of the country is concerned, it is against the law. Read the constitution first…..

    Y is only Imran stopped from coming? why not the other APDM leaders… simple because you guys are scared, as when imran speaks he speaks logic & the truth which you guys cannot handle.
    the lame reason given by the govt: Imran will cause disrupt & chaos in the city… haha.. now thats a funny, PTI has never been a party who does politics of violence, like a lot of other political parties who kill their own country men just for their personl gain & unlike MUSHY, who had raised both hands & said "we have shown uour power in karachi" while the city was bleeding…. this clearly shows, that all the establishment is against us bull shit MQM talks about, is crap. MQM was created by the establishment & it is run by the establishment.
    Basically, Imran is the only leader in Pakistan who stoof up for whats right & filed a case against ALTAF, sicne no-one is paksitan had the guts to do that.. & that is the only reason they govt. stops him. They have taken it to a personal level, instead of looking at whats best for the country.

    Once again, Who is anti-state now?

    Policemen baton charging women, arresting national hero’s , government killing the judiciary & placing puppet judges to make all their illegal acts legal..

    Is that an "enlightened moderated" pakistan?

    The fact is that Imran is the only leader who wants Pakistan into a welfare state, where there is an independent judiciary, equal treatment for the rich & the poor, quality education for all, & most of all self esteem! We must make our economy a development bsaed economy not an economy based only on national security…

    People who think he is naive & lives in a fool’s paradise & he cant do anything… will one day see inshAllah.. what he has been talkina bout & who is the fool then…
    Instead of stopping him from coming to karachi, & people supporting their decision, we should all support the guy in his struggle. What he is talking about is for all you people, every single Pakistani. Dont hate, without knowing the facts. Broaden your vision & understand what the guy is saying! PTI is not about politics of power like other parties, PTI is about POLITICS OF CHANGE (for the good), PTI is Justice for all!

    I hope & pray that all of you will be guided to the right path soon inshAllah & stop living this ignorant life & stop supporting the tyrant sitting in london & the other sitting in islamabad!

    PEACE!

    PAKISTAN ZINDABAD!


  28. AZ (unregistered) on February 13th, 2008 @ 12:03 am

    I’d like to add further:

    I’m Urdu Speaking & i am a mohajir too… it is my democratic right to call myself a muhajir. BUT in no way i support the MQM, The fact of the matter is, that the Muhajir Community has been hijacked by these mafia thugs MQM who have done nothing but brought a bad name to us muhajirs…


  29. AZ (unregistered) on February 13th, 2008 @ 12:10 am

    i think my previous post couldnt make cause of loadshedding, the computer went off.. haha..

    The above post is addition to the following:

    So, you ignorant people (MQM THUGS), call him playboy khan, hmm.. interesting, but how can you not, since your leader who seems to care a lot of you people & our great country Pakistan, is sitting in London, enjoying a lavish lifestyle, with the money that belongs to the people of karachi (ofcourse, by all ur "bhatta’s" & stolen cell phones etc) was / is an angel sent by God who has never even looked a woman let alone raping one…
    REALITY CHECK: Everyone knows what that altaf hussain used to do with women when he was living in karachi, & how MQM thugs used to rape women etc… anyway, i would rather not get into ur lame argument of trying to prove Mr. Altaf Hussain (Read: THUG, RAPIST etc) innocent.

    The fact is , MQM is scared of Imran Khan, & not only MQM, infact all this caretaker govt., including MUSH, the Chaudhry’s etc, since they have no logical explainations and answers to anything. What happened on the 12th of May, everyone saw who was behind it. But this time thanks to the MEDIA, MQM was exposed. Since the day MQM was formed, they have been ruining this great city of Karachi. There have been a lot of 12th May’s before, but this time, like i said thanks to the Media, they got exposed.
    If your leader loves this city so much, why doesnt he come back? whats up with him, proudly showing a picture of his British passport, with an ugly dog face smile on his face. Get real people.. you cant ignore the facts.

    Secondly, Imran Khan is the only politician in this country who is fighthing & stand up for principles. By participating in these fraud elections, or may i say selection, all the political parties are stabbing the struggle of the lawyers & the chief justice on their back!

    Secondly, if you call Imran Khan a playboy etc, first of all even if he was, that was the past. Hey, look at the examples in the Islamic History, there have been numerous sahabi’s who used to live inteh world of sin, & when they converted to Islam, did our prophet ever speak about their sinful past? although they were not even muslims, they were jews, christians etc etc…

    What bloody hypocrytes all you haters are, who cant face the reality & cannot accept the fact that there is this One person in the country who wants to establish a rule of law in the country where everyone gets equal justice & every citizen of Pakistan gets their basic rights.
    The fact is that, all you thugs & other people are scared of the fact, that once there is justice & rule of law, your corruption & badmashi wont be tolerated & ur so called PIR SAHAB will be behind bars.

    As far as the popularity of MQM is concerned you cant judge it by the number of votes they get. Even Hitler got the highest majority of supporters… reason being: he was a tyrant & people were scared…its the same with MQM, people are scared of them. I have been to MQM jalsa’s & it is unbelievable the kind of crap that happens there & the guy speaks from LOMDON, & all he talks is shit.

    Look at the history of mankind. Every idealist had been labeled as a fool. But it has always been a idealist & a dreamer who has brought a change for the betterment of society. People with vision have brough a change, not people with guns & thugs like MQM. Look at MQM’s history… PTI does not believe in Militancy LIke ALtaf, & who are you or anyone to declare Imran anti-state… There is not a single curroption charge against him, he is not sitting in london. trying to prove how much he loves karachi (like altaf), Imran has no case against him, nothing…
    if you look at the facts regading MQM, PPP & PML-Q, & N, MUSH etc, it is quite obvious that these people can be termed Anti-state. All these people have corruption cases against them. MUSH & his allies have gone against the constitution, they are the ones who have their militant wing in their parties to kill & loot people. Imran doesnt, since PTI does not want any bloodshed & PTI is anti-violence….

    As far as stopping Imran or for that matter anyone from going to any part of the country is concerned, it is against the law. Read the constitution first…..

    Y is only Imran stopped from coming? why not the other APDM leaders… simple because you guys are scared, as when imran speaks he speaks logic & the truth which you guys cannot handle.
    the lame reason given by the govt: Imran will cause disrupt & chaos in the city… haha.. now thats a funny, PTI has never been a party who does politics of violence, like a lot of other political parties who kill their own country men just for their personl gain & unlike MUSHY, who had raised both hands & said "we have shown uour power in karachi" while the city was bleeding…. this clearly shows, that all the establishment is against us bull shit MQM talks about, is crap. MQM was created by the establishment & it is run by the establishment.
    Basically, Imran is the only leader in Pakistan who stoof up for whats right & filed a case against ALTAF, sicne no-one is paksitan had the guts to do that.. & that is the only reason they govt. stops him. They have taken it to a personal level, instead of looking at whats best for the country.

    Once again, Who is anti-state now?

    Policemen baton charging women, arresting national hero’s , government killing the judiciary & placing puppet judges to make all their illegal acts legal..

    Is that an "enlightened moderated" pakistan?

    The fact is that Imran is the only leader who wants Pakistan into a welfare state, where there is an independent judiciary, equal treatment for the rich & the poor, quality education for all, & most of all self esteem! We must make our economy a development bsaed economy not an economy based only on national security…

    People who think he is naive & lives in a fool’s paradise & he cant do anything… will one day see inshAllah.. what he has been talkina bout & who is the fool then…
    Instead of stopping him from coming to karachi, & people supporting their decision, we should all support the guy in his struggle. What he is talking about is for all you people, every single Pakistani. Dont hate, without knowing the facts. Broaden your vision & understand what the guy is saying! PTI is not about politics of power like other parties, PTI is about POLITICS OF CHANGE (for the good), PTI is Justice for all!

    I hope & pray that all of you will be guided to the right path soon inshAllah & stop living this ignorant life & stop supporting the tyrant sitting in london & the other sitting in islamabad!

    PEACE!

    PAKISTAN ZINDABAD!


  30. Concerned (unregistered) on February 13th, 2008 @ 1:06 am

    I love it when ppl talk about good and evil. Come one yar nothing is that black and white. Everything is gray.

    MB
    Altaf is an a-hole and agreed the party would prosper if he wasnt there.

    I also agree with whatever you said in your second-last post to me, but I dont agree with your last one.

    The one thing that is wrong with Pakistan and is the root of all things is inequality and that inequality has always been clearly driven by the quantity of land that a person holds, ie feudalism.

    There are lot of ppl who have made it on their own but majority of the uppper class has come up on the basis of feudalism. They might have sold all their land now and may be industralist now but they were feudals a few generations back.

    MQM stands against feudalism, and the centre ( ie Punjab) (as you stated in your reply to me). These two things are more then enough for me to support them. Agreed they could have been considered a mafia at some stage but they are trying to do away with that image and if you ask around Bhata has totally vanished. 12 May happened and I agree it was bad and it showed the bad side of MQM, but you have to understand the need to have an MQM rally that day was brought about from the centre and how the rally turned into a blood bath is any body’s guess. I wont say MQM didnt fire the first shot, becuase I dont know but they werent the only ones firing.

    I will vote for MQM because I am afraid of what PPP, ANP and JI will do to this city. We all saw 27 Dec who was responsible for that, it sure as hell wasnt MQM that is certain. PPP, ANP dont have a stake in the city like we do, we want it to prosper becuase we will gain from that, even if its in the form of Kick backs, and by we I mean MQM.

    As for JI, I am sorry but I am not willing to let them convert Khi in Peshawar, have you seen what these ppl have done to NWFP. They are the root cause of the terrorism you see today but the stupid public still votes for them.

    In the end who else do you vote for?

    PPl quote that the turnout in Khi was low in previous elections, that was bec ppl are disillusioned they dont know whats good and whats bad or they just dont care. If you dont vote means you have no right to criticise either.

    Just vote for the best possible option available. It might be different for you but for the reasons above its MQM for me.

    And for the record I have never fired a gun, burned a car, stolen anything and I am not a terrorist, I am an educated middle class guy who still thinks Khi is the best city in the world.


  31. Reality_check (unregistered) on February 13th, 2008 @ 1:57 am

    CONCERNED AND MB Agreed with you both, however, as long as Altaf Hussain stays way from racial hatred, or promoting any other screwed up ideology, I will not advocate his removal, simply because there is no need to venture into the unknown, especially at this juncture we are not in a position to deal with another unknown. As for leadership alternates, there are quite a few, Mustafa Kamal is good but he is not the only one, in fact he is not even a contender. Personally, I feel that he is doing an amazing job as Mayor and should continue the good work, it would be city’s loss if he is moved from that position. Running the party requires different set of skills and there are quite a few others who can qualify for that job, but now it’s not the time to even contemplate that.

    JUSTICE SEEKER Yazid and Hussain analogy in the context of the present situation is as oblique as can be. I don’t want to ignite a very controversial historical debate by dwelling upon BADR and QARBALLA, but remember when it comes to MASSACRES and JUSTICE the hands of early Muslims are not clean, I would like you to re-visit KHANDAK and remember the tribe of Bani Quraiza, how brutally they were murdered.


  32. Reality_check (unregistered) on February 13th, 2008 @ 2:25 am

    Also I know that majority logic does not always hold water, because, "If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. (Anatole France)"

    For now I am willing to compromise on less than perfect and render my support after weighing in available options.


  33. Shuaib (unregistered) on February 13th, 2008 @ 4:27 am

    MQM is acting like they own Karachi and have separated it from the rest of the country. Should Imrn Khan get a visa from don Altaf sitting in London to enter one of the cities of a nation to which he is a hero? MQM tum logoon kee shamat aney wali hai, lawyers movement is destined to succeed inshAllah, phir you will pay for May 12 and your badmashi.


  34. Reality_Check (unregistered) on February 13th, 2008 @ 6:11 am

    Sorry Shuaib Imran Khan has not lived upto his hero status for quite a few. His predicament is unfortunate but for now its in every body’s interest that he stays put and doesnt cause any trouble, we have had enough. By the way make arrangements for him to visit Punjab university, its just blocks away from his home. He may also need a Visa from his Jamatee friends to drive through it.

    Who says Karachi is separated from the rest of country. People do have short memories, not long ago this city was the one leading the rest in the rescue and rehabilitatuion efforts in the Earthquake areas, despite being hundreds of miles away we were among the first responders, the bonds then built are not easy to break, or are they?


  35. Shiraz (unregistered) on February 13th, 2008 @ 6:51 am

    All I wana say is, MB you are a Jackass!!! Now I feel much better.


  36. MB (unregistered) on February 13th, 2008 @ 2:21 pm

    @SHIRAZ
    lol , your limited thinking doesnt allow you to say/do more. Happy blogging!! (commenting).


  37. AZ (unregistered) on February 13th, 2008 @ 8:46 pm

    Imran Khan is the only hope! The only leader with a vision & the only idealist in the country!
    it is alwasy the idealist that brings a change (positve), pragmatsm wont lead you guys anywhere…

    as far as MQM is concerned, it was created by the establishment & it is run by the establishment. They were looters, & they are looters. I wonder where all the money comes from those crappy telephonic drama Mr. ALtaf Hussain, plays from London. All the tyrant has done is create more problems for muhajirs.
    Thanks to the MEDIA, they were exposed on the 12th of MAY! there have been alot of 12th May’s before, but this time the media was there to expose it. NOt only 12th May, but apart from creating chaos, anarchy & terror is the great city, MQM has done nothing.


  38. AZ (unregistered) on February 13th, 2008 @ 9:12 pm

    So, you ignorant people (MQM THUGS), call him playboy khan, hmm.. interesting, but how can you not, since your leader who seems to care a lot of you people & our great country Pakistan, is sitting in London, enjoying a lavish lifestyle, with the money that belongs to the people of karachi (ofcourse, by all ur "bhatta’s" & stolen cell phones etc) was / is an angel sent by God who has never even looked a woman let alone raping one…
    REALITY CHECK: Everyone knows what that altaf hussain used to do with women when he was living in karachi, & how MQM thugs used to rape women etc… anyway, i would rather not get into ur lame argument of trying to prove Mr. Altaf Hussain (Read: THUG, RAPIST etc) innocent.
    The fact is , MQM is scared of Imran Khan, & not only MQM, infact all this caretaker govt., including MUSH, the Chaudhry’s etc, since they have no logical explainations and answers to anything. What happened on the 12th of May, everyone saw who was behind it. Since the day MQM was formed, they have been ruining this great city of Karachi. If your leader loves this city so much, why doesnt he come back? whats up with him, proudly showing a picture of his British passport, with an ugly dog face smile on his face. Get real people.. you cant ignore the facts.

    Secondly, Imran Khan is the only leader in this country who is fighthing & stand up for principles. By participating in these fraud elections, or may i say selection, all the political parties are stabbing the struggle of the lawyers & the chief justice on their back!

    Secondly, if you call Imran Khan a playboy etc, first of all even if he was, that was the past. Hey, look at the examples in the Islamic History, there have been numerous sahabi’s who used to live in the world of sin, & when they converted to Islam, did our prophet ever speak about their sinful past? although they were not even muslims, they were jews, christians etc etc…

    What bloody hypocrytes all you haters are, who cant face the reality & cannot accept the fact that there is this One person in the country who wants to establish a rule of law in the country where everyone gets equal justice & every citizen of Pakistan gets their basic rights.
    The fact is that, all you thugs & other people are scared of the fact, that once there is justice & rule of law, your corruption & badmashi wont be tolerated & ur so called PIR SAHAB will be behind bars.

    As far as the popularity of MQM is concerned you cant judge it by the number of votes they get. Even Hitler got the highest majority of supporters… reason being: he was a tyrant & people were scared…its the same with MQM, people are scared of them. I have been to MQM jalsa’s & it is unbelievable the kind of crap that happens there & the guy speaks from LONDON, & all he talks is shit.

    Look at the history of mankind. Every idealist had been labeled as a fool. But it has always been a idealist & a dreamer who has brought a change for the betterment of society. People with vision have brought a change, not people with guns & thugs like MQM. Look at MQM’s history… PTI does not believe in Militancy LIke ALtaf, & who are you or anyone to declare Imran anti-state… There is not a single corruption charge against him, he is not sitting in london. trying to prove how much he loves karachi (like altaf), Imran has no case against him, nothing…
    if you look at the facts regading MQM, PPP & PML-Q, & N, MUSH etc, it is quite obvious that these people can be termed Anti-state. All these people have corruption cases against them. MUSH & his allies have gone against the constitution, they are the ones who have their militant wing in their parties to kill & loot people. Imran doesnt, since PTI does not want any bloodshed & PTI is anti-violence….

    As far as stopping Imran or for that matter anyone from going to any part of the country is concerned, it is against the law. Read the constitution first…..

    Y is only Imran stopped from coming? why not the other APDM leaders… simple because you guys are scared, as when imran speaks he speaks logic & the truth which you guys cannot handle.
    the lame reason given by the govt: Imran will cause disrupt & chaos in the city… haha.. now thats a funny, PTI has never been a party who does politics of violence, like a lot of other political parties who kill their own country men just for their personl gain & unlike MUSHY, who had raised both hands & said "we have shown uour power in karachi" while the city was bleeding…. this clearly shows, that all the establishment is against us bull shit MQM talks about, is crap. MQM was created by the establishment & it is run by the establishment.
    Basically, Imran is the only leader in Pakistan who stoof up for whats right & filed a case against ALTAF, sicne no-one is paksitan had the guts to do that.. & that is the only reason they govt. stops him. They have taken it to a personal level, instead of looking at whats best for the country.

    Once again, Who is anti-state now?

    Policemen baton charging women, arresting national hero’s , government killing the judiciary & placing puppet judges to make all their illegal acts legal..

    Is that an "enlightened moderated" pakistan?

    The fact is that Imran is the only leader who wants Pakistan into a welfare state, where there is an independent judiciary, equal treatment for the rich & the poor, quality education for all, & most of all self esteem! We must make our economy a development bsaed economy not an economy based only on national security… (which here, means building GHQ’s & General’s Colonies)

    People who think he is naive & lives in a fool’s paradise & he cant do anything… will one day see inshAllah.. what he has been talkina bout & who is the fool then…
    Instead of stopping him from coming to karachi, & people supporting their decision, we should all support the guy in his struggle. What he is talking about is for all you people, every single Pakistani. Dont hate, without knowing the facts. Broaden your vision & understand what the guy is saying! PTI is not about politics of power like other parties, PTI is about POLITICS OF CHANGE (for the good), PTI is Justice for all!

    I hope & pray that all of you will be guided to the right path soon inshAllah & stop living this ignorant life & stop supporting the tyrant sitting in london & the other sitting in islamabad!

    PEACE!

    PAKISTAN ZINDABAD!



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