Dhandli in NA 249

The following report was sent out by Taj Haider, Coordinator, PPP Central Secretariat, Karachi, today. It concerns allegations of rigging in the constituency that returned Farooq Sattar. In the interests of fairness, I intend to speak to Sattar to get his version of events as soon as he gets some time to sit down for a chat.

Posts about the MQM predictably generate a lot of heat here on KMB. Whatever the truth behind those points of difference, I think Sattar is definitely one of the more agreeable personalities in the MQM and I know many of the party’s political opponents feel the same way. He is a workaholic, approachable and relishes talking about policy if you want to engage him. It’s a pity that his election is mired in controversy.

DHANDLI NAMA, 19 February 2008

KARACHI

MQM broke all records of rigging, ballot paper stamping and high handedness in Karachi to make sure that the mandate of the democracy loving people of Karachi was reversed. While results from even the far flung areas were being shown on television channels Karachi results were held up and it was almost this morning when the reversed and highly manipulated results in favor of MQM were given to the channels.

NA 249

1. Official polling time ended at 5 PM but when PPP candidate took a round of polling stations he found that polling was in progress on 11 polling stations, where even 12 year olds were casting votes.

2. He protested. Subsequently, locks were placed outside the 11 polling stations and the polling staff was inside with MQM militants and workers. PPP polling agents in 7 of these polling stations were thrown out of the polling stations, while on the other 4 both gents and ladies polling agents were locked in rooms by the armed militants.

3. PPP candidate Habib Memon came to the Returning officer and gave him a hand written complaint in this regard.

4. At 6.45 PM MQM candidate Farooq Sattar came there with about 80 militants. About 60 of them were from the newly created City Police of the MQM. They put a cordon around the court of the Returning Officer Mr.Azim.

5. Farooq Stattar demanded that counting of the PPP candidate Habib Memon should be done first, while Habib Memon demanded that first of all the record from the 11 polling stations should be brought in after which counting should start for all the candidates.

6. The Returning Officer agreed with this legal demand and instructed the CPO, the Rangers and the TPO to bring the material from the 11 polling stations. No one however, brought the needed materials.

7. According to the totals of the results of the polling stations wherefrom material had already arrived (all except the disputed 11 stations) PPP candidate Habib Memon was leading by 39, 830 votes.

8. Earlier GEO television had made an announcement based on the results from some of these polling stations, in which Mr. Habib Memon was shown leading by 16,000 votes at that time. GEO did not make any further announcement about progressive results of this constituency.

9. MQM candidate Farooq Sattar continued to call Nazim Saddar Town Dilawar. Every time after he was connected he would move out of the room to talk to the Town Nazim.

10 At around 11.45 it was learnt that all the material of the polling stations had been shifted to the office of the Town Nazim Sadar, instead of the office of the Returning Officer.

11. The RO received calls from the Governor House. The Governor talked to the RO. In his reply the RO was heard repeating the word 73 and 61 several times. He was also seen writing the number 73 on a piece of paper.

12. Presiding Officers from 6 other polling stations from Lyari were also brought to office of Town Nazim Saddar by Rangers.

13. Around 3 A.M the bags containing polling material from polling stations started coming to the office of the RO. The last bag was brought by Town Nazim Saddar personally at 5 AM in the morning.

14. Immediately after that MQM candidate Farooq Sattar addressed a Press Conference announcing that he had won and had received 73,000 votes.

15. A large number of ballot papers stamped in favor of MQM candidate were picked up by PPP workers from outside the Town Nazim’s office and from many other places.

MQM had received only 28,000 votes in this constituency in 2002. Their support to dictatorship has ‘earned’ them additional 45,000 votes in these elections.

109 Comments so far

  1. Reality_Check (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 6:03 am

    Karachi MetBlog is unique! Its like a phonogram whose needle has got stuck on a single track of a 45. Based on this evident biasre let me sujjest a name change. Here are some proposals.

    1. Anti MQM Blog.
    2. PTI Blog.
    3. Imran Khan Promotion Blog.
    4. Anyone excep MQM Blog.

    It doesnt matter who you consider agreeable or not, people of this city have decided who is agreeable to them. By the way all this allegedly happened in Saddar town, so where were your journalist friends, the media and the election observers. It was a high interest constituency and media is not kind to MQM either. All this happened without any body taking a notice?

    For those who have seen 24, here is a minute by minute account from another constituency.

    9:00 am Sheedu pehalwan woke up from sleep.
    9:05 am Sheedu Pehelwaan got out of the bed.
    9:06 am He peed.
    9:07 am He brushed his teeth.
    9:10 am He washed his face.
    9:12 am He dried his face with a towel.
    9:15 am He was heard saying to his wife, something about break fast.
    9:16 am His wife refused, saying there were no eggs. conflict ensued then Sheedu pehalwaan was seen calling seth Kirana wala, repeating the words half a dozen, half a dozen.
    9:30 A Van arrived and a boy handed in a package.
    10:00 am Finally, the pehalwan declared that he was full and ready to go out.

    Isnt that balatant Dhandli or what?


  2. Reality_Check (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 6:11 am

    By the way also add this to the above post:

    According to "Ikhtiar Baig two rockets were fired at him". However, mysteriously the rockets didn’t land any where, apparently they were special rockets acquired from NASA, programmed to head for the to the Moon if the target is missed.

    Also how many of you guys went to visit Layari and got the first hand account of polling from there?


  3. starkcontrast (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 8:22 am

    no rigging took place. these are all news created by the (now ex) opposition incase they lost. they didn’t, but the stories and ho-ha is already out there.

    jaab jeet ray hotay ho tho ho-ha nahi karte,
    jaab har ray hotay ho tho ho-ha hi ho-ha


  4. KEEP MOVING FORWARD (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 10:14 am

    The results clearly indicate that MQM has got the majority in Karachi , many people are saying that polling stations were empty so how come MQM gets so many votes , the problem is that these people visited the polling stations when these were empty , these people whould have visited the polling stations when voters were casting votes so they could have seen the polling stations filled with voters , simple as that. Now moving further we all should engage in discussion that how can the successful candiddates of MQM work for Karachi , improve the conditions of the city and what development work should be done by these MNAs , there is no point in crying and shouting that MQM has won , the reality is that MQM has won the elections and this is not the first time , they are gaining majority in Karachi from the last 25 years , I just had a chance to visit one of there rally last year which was held against the Lal Masjid mullahs and there was a whole ocean of people , people fom all walks of life , from all age groups , from all religious and ethinic back ground , it is rightly said that MQM is the party of the masses , so now all KMB readers lets move forward and post your advices that what work should be done by these MNAs to solve the problems of Karachi.


  5. Kamran (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 11:01 am

    Well done CY – I am suspecting that such an incident also occurred in NA-250. both these constituencies had close victory in contrast to the Massive show of support in areas where the MQM won showing over 60% turnout YET the polling stations were deserted.

    The shit is about to hit the fan….

    don’t worry about these MQM thugs on KMB they love to scream — let them, we are used to it all


  6. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 11:03 am

    Again I would like to remind MQM newbies(whiners) and others that position of MQM is very different than back in 88 and 92 when entire Jamaat consist of educated MQM lot. At tht time entire Urdu population had supported Altaf due to his "Urdu" factor. Now situation is entirely different. Altaf doesn’t support or even did anything regarding quota system,about Mehsoorin in Bangladesh etc. Altaf rather begged a baloch to give his daugther which resulted a cross of Mohajir and Baloch in form of Ifza Altaf. Mutahida on other hand is cross product of Mohajir+other crap. The result is quite clear. MQM started playing "politics of fear" factor like Americans in Karachi and tried their best to stay in power. MQM also knew that their sins have exposed and many genuine mohajirs don’t support then anymore. Do remember Farooq sattar got defeated last year.Still the margin of his winning is not much like 88 election. If today this fear factor is removed then majority of Urdu speaking is not going to support MQM this is why they were involved in almost every constituency.


  7. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 11:05 am

    On a related note, I would just say that alternative of MQM MUST BE ANOTHER URDU SPEAKING party. I and many mohajirs would not like that outsiders(punjabis,pathan etc) to rule over Karachi.


  8. Khurram memon (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 11:29 am

    HI
    I live in halaka NA:49 well every body talking about that MQM has done the massive riging But I think this thought is very nerrow minded please see the both side of the coin I live near civil hospital and visited a polling station near karachi collage near civil hospital and saw PPP men didn’t allow any body to vote in hidding place I mean they ask people to stamp the vote in front of them. many ladies were sent back by there poling agents that ur name is not in the voting list. in which my family was also sent back all though I my self checked the list they had the name in voter list. but hey didn’t allow to cast the vote please try to know the all fact don’t get any parties side
    KHURRAM MEMON


  9. AMMAR (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 11:43 am

    Come on Adnan, thinking is not for you. What do you mean about Urdu speaking, what about memons and other mohajirs who are not urdu speakers.
    You will never succeed in dividing Mohajirs, concentrate on your work, your family need that and you need this as well.
    Dont talk about educated people, doing graduation from SSUET is the easiet thing which has no value at all. Better concentrate on your work and stay away from politics. MQM’s all candidates are more qualified than you, go and check their profile, it will be eye opener for you.


  10. alam (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 11:58 am

    @ADNAN

    So many panjabis r leaving their mother tongue that in 20 years, Panjab will be urdu speaking province, where only Kami kameen will speak Panjabi

    I think Altf Bhai is waiting for that time


  11. mansoor ali khan (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 12:40 pm

    @Reality_Check

    brilliant mate . loved ur funny analysis of sheedu pehalwan, It seems only MQM is left to blame each and every thing that happens in this country. its getting borring.


  12. Dubai Keh Bhia Log (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 12:43 pm

    @ ADNAN SIDDIQUI
    Adnan, you should either move to Bangladesh or Sri Lanka.
    With your "muhajirness" you dont deserve to live here.

    Your comment "I and many mohajirs would not like that outsiders(punjabis,pathan etc) to rule over Karachi. " DISGUSTS me.

    You have no problem that this is originally a provice of Sindh, and the people of Pakistan welcomed your forefathers with open arms allowing you to migrate from India and settle anywhere you wanted within Pakistan.

    You have no problem when the province of Punjab (PML-Q) nominates an Urdu speaking PM and an Urdu Speaking Chief of the Army, but you DO have problem if Punjabis come to power in Sindh and are demotrically elected.

    You disgust me, even tho you know how many activists in karachi voted more than 10 times each, you still have the nerve to disgust others with your filty comments.


  13. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 12:49 pm

    by urdu speaking I mean who migrated from India.


    Your comment "I and many mohajirs would not like that outsiders(punjabis,pathan etc) to rule over Karachi. " DISGUSTS me.

    and it disgusts entire Pakistan How Punjab the so called Big Brother had been sucking entire Paksitan for decades. Did you ever vomit out after thinking this cruel reality?


  14. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 12:51 pm

    now a billion dollar question. WIll Punjab ever allow an Urdu speaking persont o rule over them in different cities of Punjab? will Pashtoon majority province will tolerate Urdu speaking Mohajirs to rule over them. The answer in both cases is quite clear that is NO.

    Learn to face reality even if it’s not acceptable and sweet as any bollywood movie.


  15. Kamran (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 12:52 pm

    MQM walay kutay bhonk rahain hain.

    Empty polling stations yet all their MNA’s won with over 130,000 brilliant dhandli and yet these dogs don’t find it embarrassing to defend these crooks.


  16. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 12:55 pm


    You disgust me, even tho you know how many activists in karachi voted more than 10 times each,

    I think Ignorant non-Urdu speaking ppl and MQM goons should now learn that by talking about Urdu speaking doesn’t mean MQM only. Majority of Mohajirs don’t support MQM party and they are part of PPP,IJT,PML(A-Z) and other parties. MQM is not a religion which one can’t quit. EVen religion is quit by people, MQM is just a militant party.


  17. AMMAR (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 1:07 pm

    Adnan, whenever you try to hit the gravity you will be replied. Who are majority of Mohajirs and whom they are supporting. You should learn some lesson from other guys who have great respects for Mohajirs and is obvious from the post.

    Apne markaz say agar door nikal jao gay
    khak ho jao gay afsanon mai dal jao gay
    Apni Mitti pay chalne ka salika seeko
    sange mar mar pay chalo gay to phisal jao gay

    Own your gene and own your identity.


  18. Mansoor Ali Khan (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 1:21 pm

    @Adnan Siddiqi

    Its absolutely rite that not all the mohajirs {especially living in karachi} doesn’t support MQM stances , but what are the options for the mohajirs in karachi ? Whom should they support ? .


  19. SIDDIQI IS HYPOCRATE (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 1:25 pm

    Adnan Siddiqi
    Adnan siddiqi has said in his own blog kadnan.blogspot.com that he his family casted vote to MQM in many elections and now he is against MQM ,

    http://kadnan.blogspot.com/2006/07/continues-mqm-crap.html

    what a hypocrate he is ……….. and all supporters of tariq jamil are hypocrate …….. the people who mostly bark against MQM are the BURGER PARTY because these burger kids know very that if MQM given a chance would work more and more for Karachi and for the middle class in paticular , this is what these burgers and fuedals hate they dont want any one living a good and comfortable life as they are living

    The authors of KMB who have a habbit of writting against MQM should now resign from this blog after MQM has got a vast victory here in Karachi because this is the same demand u people were making too Mushraf after the restoration of Ch.Iftikhar


  20. Mansoor Ali Khan (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 1:34 pm

    @SIDDIQI IS HYPOCRATE

    Read his blog first completely than analyze it , It seems Adnan Siddiqi has cornered his support for MQM during the previous decade n half .

    Seems to be reasonable person to me !.

    cheers.


  21. IUnknown (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 2:21 pm

    @u all :

    tum logon say sahi baat q nahi hazam hoti???

    He is rite abt having another party for urdu speaking ppl in karachi/sindh.

    Phir diakhta hon how mutehhda wins from any where.

    I dont know why u ppl resopect mqm though it has given nothing to an ordinary citizen. KABHI shroo main sahi hogi but not NOW at least.

    MQM nay POORAY mulk main muhajiron ko larwa dia hay..they were living peacefully before creation of MQM. MQM nay koi huqooq nahi diklaye unhain instread created larai between muhajir – pakhtoon, muhajir – pathan , muhajir – punjabi. Koi bhee aik tu nahi hay jis say inki banti ho.

    Muhajiron ko baddnaam ker dia hay inhon nay and they are playing the trick in the name of MUHAJIR.

    Its simply a mafia now rather than any thing else.

    Muhajir pehlay bhe hamaray bhai thay aur ab bhe hain. but NOT MQM freaks


  22. AMMAR (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 2:34 pm

    No IUnknown Mohajir Izzat say jeena jante hain, un ki fikar na karo. Ham 1986 say pehlay wale nahee banain gay jab jo jis ka mood ho kar sakta tha.


  23. khanabadosh (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 2:36 pm

    I agree with Adnan. There are lots of urdu-speaking Karachiites who do not support MQM for legitimate reasons.


  24. SELF (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 3:08 pm

    I think if MQM can win easily from a constituency they should not rig just for the sake of it. This is unnecessary bad publicity.


  25. Mohsin Ahmed (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 3:12 pm

    I do have first hand information regarding rigging at diff locations in karachi, BUT I NEED TO ASK EVERY ONE ABOUT JUST ONE THING, Y DONT ANY MQM OPPONENT INVOLVED MEDIA IN THIS ALL PICTURE.. wat ever we talk nw is just wastage of time and efforts and only thing we ll achive is NAFRAAAT.. can v afford it… i dont think so.. PLZ THINK


  26. aiqbal (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 3:27 pm

    @Adnan Siddiqi

    Yar khuda kay wastay Urdu speaking kay chakkar say bahar aao. Punjab zalim nahi, zalim woh waderay hain jinhon nay apnay apnay logon ko yerghmal bana rakha hai. Aur iss main MQM bhi shamil hai. Aur han, deekho zara dictators ki list main kitnay log punjabi milain gai,
    Sikandar Mirza? (Meer Jafar ki nasal say, yani Bangali)
    Ayub Khan ? (NWFP say)
    Ziaul Haq ? (Migrated From Indian Punjab)
    Musharraf? (Migrated From Delhi, Pure Urdu speaker).

    Let me tell you, I am an Urdu Speaking, Migrated (Mohajir) . Laikin main nay apni aankhon per Taassub ki patti nahi bandh rakhi. Khuda tumhain aur baqi karachi walon ko bhi sach ka sath denay ko taufeeq day


  27. SELF (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 3:32 pm

    140% Turnout in Karachi

    PPP and PMLN has demanded the results of Karachi to be canceled as up to 140% turnout has been reported at some polling stations. They said that the Karachi was held hostage under MQM and up to 65,000 votes were casted in areas where previously not more than 4,000 votes were casted earlier.

    MQM shoots itself in foot by over doing it. Its time someone told them to calm down a little.


  28. d0ct0r (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 3:41 pm

    140% hmm thats interesting.. i already noticed that in my previous comment..

    "thanks for this comprehensive post am currently out of pk land and really appreciate your effort..

    observation: MQM got 5 times more votes as compared to 2002 elections on almost all seats(keep in mind 12 may 2007,edhi center seige etc etc)..

    my question:has MQM really gotten 5 times more popular in karachi ever since 2002 or was it the handywork of MQM’s foot soldiers or maybe some god sent help?"


  29. Anjum Amin Siddiqui (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 3:48 pm

    We call ourselves Muslims, recite Quaran and quote Hadis-e-Mubarak whenever something happen. This city has seen disaster after disaster so many die that now no one counts. Yet we reconize human beings from their cast, from the language they speak and from color of their skin. Birth of MQM has resulted in two kinds of people one who love it the other who hate it. There is no rationality in our discussions nor in our personalities.


  30. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 4:07 pm

    MQM newbies in true colors.


    the people who mostly bark against MQM are the BURGER PARTY

    I didn’t know that Nazimabad/North Nazimabad is the area where Burgers reside. *shakes head*


  31. Rehan ul Haq (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 4:08 pm

    MQM zinda bad

    Jeey MQM

    For all MQM haters we won we won we won hahahahaha


  32. Mohaajir (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 4:12 pm

    jiyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Mohaaaaajir!

    Jaltay Raho Mohajir Raaj karta Rahe ga beeti faroosh Pathaan Panjaabion


  33. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 4:13 pm

    Iqbal: there is no racism, I just stated facts which are not pleasing but facts are still facts. Labeling all Urdu speaking people as terrorist is a habit of people in punjab and NWFP as I myself have experienced it once. If you prefer to keep eyes closed like a pigeon then it’s your own choice. *shrug*


  34. IUnknown (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 4:21 pm

    @adnan.. better to keep quite on this topic of

    "Labeling all Urdu speaking people as terrorist is a habit of people in punjab and NWFP"

    As it again comes to the discussion we are all having here

    and @doctor, its 40% not 140%


  35. fahmed (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 4:57 pm

    @Adnan Siddiqi

    i don’t get one thing!!!

    if i can recall correctly you have always trashed MQM on KMB and now you suddenly are in love with it!

    my family migrated form punjab to sind more then 2 decade before pakistan was born. my father was born in sind 13 years before pakistan came into being.

    what gives you a greater right on sind??

    Zia ul haq was born in Indian punjab and was educated in simla and dehli before partition…do u cansider hime a muhajir or not??

    his family and other punjabis migrated from east punjab in 1947 but urdu speaking people like u do not consider then muhajir. only urdu speaking / emeon/beharis can be muhajirs…right!!

    one more point….the fact that we have been taught how hundreds of thousand of muslims were killed while comming to pakistan in 1947 and all those trains full of bodies…etc so u know that a wast majority of those victums were muslims from east punjab.

    most of urdu speaking migrants came much later and after the voilence had subsided. check your facts.

    APJ Abul kalam.the indian president and scientist came to pakistan in early 50’s and went back to india and sttled there again. qadeer khan came to pakistan in the 50’s…etc

    u urdu speaking people have no trade mark right to the word muhajir.

    i guess your elders thought the they could settle in karachi, the capital then, and rule all pakistan like they used to do from dehli under the mughals and nawabs.

    do u know the first spark between east and west pakistan was ignited when your elders tried to impose urdu language on east pakistan….the roits which followed killed many and were the basis of the awami leage.


  36. Syed Johny (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 5:11 pm

    @ Topic !!

    This information is completely false !!!

    Farooq Sattar did a press conference at 7 pm same day ! and blamed that the PPP workers had kicked out MQM workers from polling stations! he never claimed he won the seat !

    I personally thought after the press conference that Farooq Sattar has lost ! it was only until next day I realized he won !


  37. fahmed (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 5:38 pm

    i am sick of this punjab bashing! everything is blamed on punjab.

    1) Ayuab khan ruled for 11 year…gave half of punjab’s rivers to india….is was a pathan.

    2) Yahya knan…was intrumental in the break-up of pakistan…was a pathan/persian

    3) ZA Bhutto ruled FOR around 5 years…was from sind

    4) Zial ul haq ..ruled for 11 years..was responsible for the break-up of the fabrik of the society. nurture extremists. founded MQM…..was a Muhajir from indian punjab.

    5) Musharraf…the bastard. rahee sahi kasar bhee puree kar deee. this scum has ruled pakistan for 9 years and still counting…..is a Muhajir.

    6) most of the pre 1958 martial law leaders were not punjabis

    7) nawaz sharif is the only punjabi ruler. ruled in total for 5 years.

    now if anyone has even a bsic level of intellegence then tell me how are the punjabis blamed for everthing that is wrong in pakistan!

    the problem with MQM and other such parties is that the are a perpetual minority and can not reconcile this fact.

    the biggest liars are in the PPP. when they are in sind they cry about pubjab denying sind it’s right and after a few days the same leaders go to punjab and sing brotherhood songs!

    one thing i appreciate about MQM is that it is a fascit party from day one and says it on top of their voice and do not try hard to conceal it.


  38. Mansoor Ali Khan (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 6:03 pm

    @Fahmed

    You are brilliant in the comparision . Hope we all can understand and move all people forward in progress in each and every aspect .


  39. fahmed (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 6:31 pm

    @Mansoor Ali Khan

    i also hope that we can move forward.

    BUT everytime there is a move forward our own people start pulling each others legs.

    60 years after out independece we still call each other muhajir/sindi/punjabi/….etc

    the biggest frustration for man in the street is that he is not being heard and when he is heard for a while then a general steps in and kicks everyone out and wants to have the whole cake.

    just look at musharraf even now that scum has zero shame and refuses to bow out with whatver grace he can but he will try to hang on till he is humiliated further and dragged out by his balls and probable killed in the process.

    the biggest surpise was that the MQM was in bed with the establishment, army and wadera for 5 whole years and still blamed the agencies/waderas for everything!

    even now ALtaf repeat like a parrot the story of how 2% are rulling 98% poor of pakistan.

    he forgets that he was part of the same establishment for 5 whole years and thooughly enjoyed every second of it.

    just c if he is in the opposition then he will start the crying game again.


  40. Mansoor Ali Khan (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 6:48 pm

    @FAHMED.

    Agreed. Now the thing is that we have tried and tested almost each and every party which seems that specific parties work for there specific locations and doesn’t look further than that. No one cares to be accommodating all the people living in this country. These all Parties seem to be good for the regional peoples and it has proven in this election.

    So do we need to have another league for the independent people like us who are willing to work and work hard for the betterment of People in PAKISTAN ?


  41. SELF (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 6:55 pm

    Zial ul Haq’s family settled in peshawar after migration from Jalandhar.


  42. fahmed (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 7:02 pm

    @Mansoor Ali Khan

    iam afraid even if such a new party is made and gets elected it would turn out to be same as the old ones.

    my friend power is man’s worst emeny! it corrupts like nothing else!

    no one can resist it after tasting it once!

    that said, we have to live in this world and have to do something and be a little positive.

    the problem is that even if good people want to come forward they can only do it through the established parties if they come from a middle class backgrouund.

    it so expensive to contest an election even if there is no coercion/threats from rivals like MQM.


  43. Reality_check (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 7:19 pm

    Hmmmmm thanks to ADNAN now it’s all boiling down to racist rants. Who says that there have not been vested interested in the so called Urdu speaking community. In fact the vested interest in every region of this country whether it be Punjab, Sindh, Balochistan or Sarhad was behind the creation of this sacred abode for the Muslims of Subcontinent. It is also true that many in the urdu speaking community do not support MQM, but this time around MQM has got Punjabi as well as Sindhi vote. They had Sindhi candidates who got votes in thousands in the present circumstances, which is a positive and should be appreciated. MQM is a political party of Pakistan; it has its flaws and plusses. But comparing with others though formed on purely ethnic basis, it has constantly tried to change, improve and reach out to the rest of the country. Unlike others it got membership in millions, in relatively short span of time and it struggled to filter out bad eggs, radicals and criminal elements that joined the band wagon. But now all indicators point to the positive, MQM has brought to the fore many refreshing faces, who are not only educated, confident but are also committed towards public service. In this regard it is leading the rest by miles.

    However, I know all is not oke doke but what I see now viz a viz MQM is progression not regression. This is a party born out of turmoil constantly re-inventing itself and trying to serve its voters whoever they are. If they deviate from the course, they will loose their support, and will consequently loose their voters. Those who have voted for them were convinced, they will not vote next time if they are not. Mind you it is also up to other parties, who should try to re-establish themselves in the city by addressing its issues. In this regards PPP’s effort of fielding a candidate in every constituency should be appreciated, hope they build on it and try to get MQM voters on their side, that’s the kind of competition that will serve this city and the country well.

    The bottom line is that, in a country like Pakistan if you ask me to count the negatives, I will go about my task and the subsequent list will not end, but the question is, will we ever be able to see and count the positives, however few? Will it not serve the Nation well to develop a positive outlook and try to build on it? I can say that PPP supporters did this or that after 27th December, but I can also draw a positive from Zardari’s statement "PAKISTAN KHAPPE" (Pakistan Wanted), didn’t these words resonate well with the Sindhi population and helped to calm things down. On other side wouldn’t it be a positive that ANP be able to go beyond Pakhtoon Nationalism and was joined by "Urdu Speaking People". All this could happen if you learn from your mistakes, think POSITIVE then POSITIVES will start to happen.
    I have never been able to get this line out of my head from the movie A Field of Dreams;

    "IF YOU BUILD THEY WILL COME"

    Shouldn’t we try to do just that?


  44. fahmed (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 7:39 pm

    @Reality_check

    very positive attitude and we need more of this.

    after all if we do not wake up then ….

    one comment from Altaf BhaiJAN which disturbed me was when he said that after 27/dec/07 properties of Urdu and sindhi speaking peoples were ransacked….

    i just failed to understand what he was trying to say. did people come in droves from punjab and NWFP and burned sind down??

    the other was that three sindhi PM’s have returned in coffins from Punjab/Pindi…

    such comments do not reassure punjabis…etc

    if MQM truly wants to become a nationwide party then it would be better served not to say such things which just create hatred and resentment.

    the problem is that whatever MQM says it negates that almost in the next sentence. so other people are just plain scared of it!


  45. QaimKhani (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 7:56 pm

    Yes MQM is as a Pakistani party as is ANP or PPP.

    Behind the scenes they are ethnic to the core, as much as Jeay Sindh.

    I wouldn’t support MQM any more, even though I feel MQM was the reaction of the existing ‘ethnic culture’ of Pakistan.

    Our elders didn’t migrate to Pakistan for this. We prove them loosers by following into the traps of ethnic affiliations.

    Being Muhajir, or Sindhi or Panjabi is not a crime, but when you make it the basis of your judgment and your allegiance then thats the problem.

    Lets make Muhammad (PBUH) as our leader, who we follow and lets not divide ourselves


  46. Syed Johny (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 8:40 pm

    @ Fahmed !!

    Juts because MQM came into being durgin Zias era doesnt mean ZIA was responsible for it !!

    Grow up man !!!

    Zia’s main political Ally Jamat-e-Islami/IJT , have always been against MQM !! MQM was formed in protest against JI after IJT forcibly threw APMSO and other Student parties out of KU.

    And APMSO was a fraction United Students Movement [USM] formed against IJT , in 1979, along with the other student parties National Students Federation, the Democratic Students Federation, the People’s Students Federation,the Baloch Students Organisation and the Pakhtoon Students Federation.

    Go learn the Fucking history then comment !!


  47. Ali (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 9:05 pm

    NA 249 and Dhandli

    The fact is PPP got 64000 votes from 2 lyari town UC’s and the turn out were 99% can be identified from election results.

    That is Dhandhli
    Taj Haider The seat Farooq Sattar won was always won by MQM not by PPP and after 27 dec when PPP went on to the loting spree that area of business community were worst effected area and that was th reason why PPP lost from there


  48. Reality_check (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 9:14 pm

    FAHMED you are again falling despite trying to sound positive you are again falling into the same trap of negativity. You are hanging onto out of context one liners when there have been whole speeches advocating re-conciliation and trust. Practically haven’t MQM been on the forefront in the time of National Crises like Earthquake and flooding. Don’t they have 2 seats (municiple or legislative I am not sure) in Azad Kashmir. Was there an ulterior motive in that effort? No ordinary people, MQM or non-MQM worked with sincerity and zeal. Was that a sign of promoting hatred? No. the problem is many of us don’t see these positives and summarily put them aside. Jamaat-e-islaami even in those turbulent times had the audacity of confronting MQM workers in Mirpur by asking them, Why are you here? Go back! Is that a POSITIVE?

    The other one liner that you have quoted about Sindh PM’s returning in Coffins, is an old one and has been used liberally by PPP leaders rather than any body else. BB openly said that "Prime Minster should not be from Punjab", how come she was not termed as a racist. As far as Her assassination was concerned , MQM stance was clear that it was a terrorist act. Furthermore, MQM patience and actions during the aftermath of that event helped a long way in cooling down the situation; otherwise nobody knows how long it would have taken to extinguish the fires. Wasn’t that a POSITIVE?

    As for your reference to FEAR, you know the famous quote, "You have nothing to fear but fear itself". So grab any MQM elected representatives and talk to him / her, you will agree on some and disagree on others, you’ll will admire something and be disgusted by something else and that’s that. This is how we should interact; this is how minds and perceptions change. Being an MQM supporter I am not an exception, I have my share of likes and dislikes about MQM but I weigh in my options and make a judgement accordingly. I have no life time commitment with any body (except my wife) but for now, I like the way things are progressing. Also, remember Onus is also on the other PARTIES to try to win over MQM supporters, its not impossible, just show me some substance.


  49. HaiderRizvi (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 10:27 pm

    @Reality_Check,

    Altaf Hussain keeps blaming JI to be against creation of Pakistan(before creation of Pak)….

    now he himself calls creation of Pakistan a blunder.

    How can one thing be a sin for others and a naikee for him self.

    I know you can come up with any excuse, but I would still like to hear it.


  50. Reality_check (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 10:42 pm

    HAIDERRIZVI BOTH are separate statements. What’s the contradiction in that?

    As for creation of Pakistan, its ideology, I have my own take on that and we have had long discussions on this topic in this very same blog. Personally I think, whether creation of Pakistan was a blunder or not is the thing of the past, and we shouldn’t waste time fighting over it. Whats important is the present and the future. I was borned in Pakistan, I am a Pakistani and I am proud of it. That doesn’t mean that we don’t get our history right, knowing your history makes you wiser. Historical facts might be bitter but knowing them makes you less prone to committing the same mistakes over and over again.


  51. Syed Johny (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 10:51 pm

    @ HAider Rizvi !!

    have u ever read the complete statement of Altaf Hussain that you are referring to?!?!

    Go and read the whole statement ! and then comment!!

    Damn it ! He said Partition process was blunder! Which resulted in Killing of millions of people,second only the two world wars,

    Largest ever Migration of the HUMAN HISTORY took place! and after 15 years both the countries are still fighting over who should get Kashmir and who should get Junagarh !!!

    I pity those people ! who never read the details of any statement ! just make their own up !! like our press !

    Just for the record ! Our press reported Abdul Sattar Edhi to be a Military Agent of Israel, and a Human organ Smuggler in early 90s! due which Edhi left Pakistan for Britain ! and more such stories came up !!


  52. Ameer Hamza (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 10:56 pm

    I belong to a mohajir family but I do not vote for MQM nor do my parents or relatives, except a few. Yet I also have noted, like other Urdu-speaking writers here (I am a Gujrati memon) that many Punjabi politicians and civil servants – a misnomer – are bound to pull the leg of any other member of the ethnic group. Killing of BB might just be that. But off course, till the advanced investigations are complete, we cannot be sure.

    And some of the Punjabi nazims are so racist that they don’t even allow Pathans and Afganis in many areas of interior Punjab to set up businesses. Atleast Urdu-speaking families and Sindhis allow such luxary.

    But I won’t ever vote for MQM for sure!

    Regards,
    Ameer Hamza


  53. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 11:30 pm


    Hmmmmm thanks to ADNAN now it’s all boiling down to racist rants

    Racism, eh.Look who’s talking. MQM’s creation was based on racism. YOu might have memory problem but it’s same Altaf who used to chant "Jinnah Pur" and against establishment(read Punjab). If your memory doesn’t serve then do listen early speeches of Altaf Hussain. The term "Mohajir" itself is example of racism which created differences between natives and we immigrants.

    RC, more you speak about MQM, more you exhibit your ignorance about MQM so better save your save your so called reality for those who are actually not aware about MQM’s filthy past so that you could be considered credible for them.


  54. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on February 20th, 2008 @ 11:37 pm


    MQM, but this time around MQM has got Punjabi as well as Sindhi vote.

    sorry to burst your bubble but on same forum your brother MQM supporters Zeeshan(ZEE) and Imran have cursed Punjabis ,Pathans a lot so tell me my friend how MQM could be called a party which represent entire Pakistan while its own voters don’t accept outsiders?;)

    Also, Bai had been giving several statements against Punjabis by talking about "Greater Punjab". I know your hypo critic mentality will not help you to condemn it since it would hurt your biasness. I hope one day MQM devotees like you and Concerned will be able to come out of shell of Ignorance and use your brain to figure out the reality of MQM.


  55. haiderrizvi (unregistered) on February 21st, 2008 @ 12:12 am

    @Syed Johny or Reality_Check,

    I have watched the video, dude. What else was the migration for, if not for Pakistan?

    I have seen it dude, the hypocricy Altaf used to blame others for. Gone are the days ‘jo kahtaa hai woh kartaa hai’, now he is just another siasatdaan.


  56. Rajput (unregistered) on February 21st, 2008 @ 12:41 am

    @Haider,

    He didn’t really mean it. He was just TCing the RAW and BJP, otherwise why would they invite him to address in India?


  57. Reality_check (unregistered) on February 21st, 2008 @ 1:21 am

    HAIDER you have forced me into this endless debate, I am a Pakistani, borned, bred, educated, married and wish to be buried here and not in Toronto. But this country has yet to justify the loss of millions of lives, whose blood went into its foundation. From Lahore to Calcutta that blood came from the veins of Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, Punjabi, Madrasi, Delhi Waley, Pathan, Bihari and Bengali. The logic of its creation suffered a dire setback when the majority of its inhabitants in !971 said that they don’t want it and another 250,000 were massacred. Since then we have been on each others throats on one pretext or another. To top it off we sent our kids to conduct jihad on foreign while crumbling from inside. Finally in 1999 we were reaching the end road, with eminent bankruptcy, a worthless currency it was only free oil from Saudia that kept us afloat fro three years, nothing to say of China who paid our instalments to IMF. If we had defaulted, there would have been a rush on the banks and chaos on the streets.

    That said, that low point in our history has gone and despite whom you curse and criticize, we again look like a viable nation, we pay our bills on time and are all set to do great things and that includes justifying our creation and the sacrifices of our fellow countrymen. So you still want to hammer in the negatives and not rectify the blunder.

    Please don’t force me to go into pre / post partition history, study it learn from it, that will serve you well to build a better future.


  58. Reality_check (unregistered) on February 21st, 2008 @ 1:46 am

    Sorry ADNAN but your blabberring does not deserve a reply, but I will. The fact is that deep inside every human is a racist, we all have our prejudices that’s why we cheer for a particular team despite knowing that other might be better. Being civilized means that you are able to curb those tendencies and channel them to do positive things. Yes, the Mohajir identity was established because somehow a particular set of people were being discriminated against and being made scapegoat for failed policies of the rulers. I am a Mohajir but interestingly, I know that half of my clan is originally Rajput and we have relatives who have Pathan lineage, though they lived all their lives in Delhi, that’s the irony of sub-continent. I know you were only a kid during the 80’s so you can’t grasp the extent of turmoil and emotional upheaval of those days, but Mohajir identity was established, transformation to Muttahida was made and now we have people of all races albeit in small proportions working together. Calling yourself a Mohajir, Punjabi or Sindhi is perfectly natural, it’s the attitudes / perceptions that count and those perception are largely based on fear and ignorance. Do you think is it easy for a Soomro to run in elections on MQM ticket in the interior of Sindh? No its not, but it has happened.

    For now MQM will continue to build on this, will re-access and rectify any anomalies and work for a better future, while the nay sayers will eventually develop high blood pressure and various stress related symptoms.


  59. Balma (unregistered) on February 21st, 2008 @ 2:04 am

    *So many panjabis r leaving their mother tongue that in 20 years, Panjab will be urdu speaking province, where only Kami kameen will speak Panjabi

    *****
    Alam Ara, in twenty years most people in Panjab and Karachi will be speaking English.
    Only Kami Kameen will be speaking Urdu.


  60. Balma (unregistered) on February 21st, 2008 @ 2:09 am

    * APJ Abul kalam.the indian president and scientist came to pakistan in early 50’s and went back to india and sttled there again

    **** I have heard this before, but is there any confirmation of this? I have read President Abul Kalam’s bio’s first couple of chapters which deal with his life until he started working for an Indian research institute, and he never mentions anything like a trip to Pakistan….I don’t blame him for this if he indeed was in Pakistan on a yaatraa, but is this true?


  61. Balma (unregistered) on February 21st, 2008 @ 2:30 am

    And, Eddie O’Rielly, what is your problem with an Urdu speaking marrying a Baluchi?
    In fact, in mid eightees, Balma had proposed govt support in the form of jahez / meher etc for marriages among couples of different backgrounds/races…laikn bhayya! Balma kee sountaa kaun hae?


  62. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on February 21st, 2008 @ 11:03 am

    @RC:yes you can’t respond RC because you have no background about what you troll about. Do try to impress your own MQM kids or those who don’t know about MQM.


    And, Eddie O’Rielly, what is your problem with an Urdu speaking marrying a Baluchi?

    because it results product like "Balma" ;)


  63. Adnan Siddiqi (unregistered) on February 21st, 2008 @ 11:07 am

    In the mentioned video, Altaf is beggin India to give them shelter and also says that creation of Pakistan was blunder. Secularist Altaf was more pathetic than molvis who called Jinnah a kafir.


  64. fahmed (unregistered) on February 21st, 2008 @ 12:18 pm

    @Reality_Check,

    i will vote for yu next time@Reality_Check,

    i will vote for yu next time<:


  65. fahmed (unregistered) on February 21st, 2008 @ 12:42 pm

    @zaman

    "For all MQM haters we won we won we won hahahahaha…"

    HAHAHAHA…… what will MQM do now with these seats in NA and PA if it is not even invited to be a partner in the next govt.???

    even if it is made part of the next govt., if the PPP and PML-N do it a big favour, it would not be from a position of strength but weakness.

    MQM would not be able to blackmail the sind govt or the fedral govt and would be kicked out at once even it it attempted to do it.

    so stop bragging about it and talk some sense!


  66. fahmed (unregistered) on February 21st, 2008 @ 12:42 pm

    @zaman

    "For all MQM haters we won we won we won hahahahaha…"

    HAHAHAHA…… what will MQM do now with these seats in NA and PA if it is not even invited to be a partner in the next govt.???

    even if it is made part of the next govt., if the PPP and PML-N do it a big favour, it would not be from a position of strength but weakness.

    MQM would not be able to blackmail the sind govt or the fedral govt and would be kicked out at once even if it attempted to do it.

    so stop bragging about it and talk some sense!


  67. fahmed (unregistered) on February 21st, 2008 @ 12:48 pm

    @AMEER HAMZA

    "And some of the Punjabi nazims are so racist that they don’t even allow Pathans and Afganis in many areas of interior Punjab to set up businesses….."

    can u point out one area in punjab or one such punjabi nazim who has done what u alleged??

    stop spreading this hate. u call ur self educated?


  68. fahmed (unregistered) on February 21st, 2008 @ 1:01 pm

    @AMEER HAMZA

    lahore and other cities of punjab are full of pathan and afghans.

    as for the south punjab,so u know that Dera Ghazi khan (almost completely) and R.Yar khan are moostly populated by baluch tribes such as Legharis/mazaris…etc. Bahawalpur and multan are seraikes. pothar area (pindi…etc) is more hindko than punjabi, mianwali is mostly pathan. even in faisalabad many baluch have been elected afo NA/PP.

    the hatred u have for the punjabis blinds u to reality.

    original punjabis are concentrated in the centreand northeast of punjab.

    if you take out the non punjabi parts of punjab then more then a 3rd of it’s population is not even punjabi/punjabi speaking!


  69. imran (unregistered) on February 21st, 2008 @ 6:53 pm

    me 249 ke halkey me rehta hoon me ppp ka khamosh supporter hoon
    me musalman hoon khuda ki kassam kha ke kehta hoon ke meri cousin ka larka jis ki umer 12 se 14 saal ki hai us ne mqm ke haq vote dala dhandli hui tabhi to usney vote dala
    or merey kafi dost jo doosrey halkey me the unoney ne unkey vote daley jo pakistan me nahi hai or jo mar gaye hai yeh sab me kasssam kha ke keh raha hoon shayad tumhey is par aitbaar ajaye
    mera dost nazimabad waley ne kaha ke jo khud mqm ka supporter hai us ne jali vote daltey huey dekhey
    me yehi kahu ga ke vote dalna hamara haq hai or kisi ka bebuniayad haq marna boht bara gunnah hai or hum sir yeh samjhtey hai ke duniya ke baad bhi aik duniya hai ALLAH in se badla le ga kyu ke kisi ka haq marna Boht bara gunnah hai
    Or akhir me yeh bhi kahu ke me bhi hindustani hu kyu ke koi yeh na samjey ke yeh tasuub se keh raha hai tasub mujh me kisi ka nahi hai hum supporter hai or yeh hamara haq hai


  70. Syed Johny (unregistered) on February 21st, 2008 @ 10:22 pm

    @ Haider Rizvi !!

    So you are trying to tell me ! that a process in which millions of people were killed was not a disaster???

    For Gods sake third largest killings in Human history took place !!!

    How can you not see this!?!?!


  71. IUnknown (unregistered) on February 22nd, 2008 @ 12:39 pm

    i was talking to my mohalla friends last nite abt MQM
    they are actually workers of mqm.
    they have showed me another side of picture and i have serious questions.
    Please answer while keeping racism or patriotism aside

    1) why MQM was formed?
    2) who start fighting wid mqm first?
    3) they admitted abt the harm they have caused to karachi but they say that it was due to other parties which always fight wid them. so they dont let them progress when other parties are in govt.


  72. HaiderRizvi (unregistered) on February 22nd, 2008 @ 8:26 pm

    Syed Johny and others,

    If you can support the statement of Altaf Hussain, then why don’t you just move to Hindustan and say that your elders were loosers, when they migrated to Pakistan leaving properties and sacrificing all they had.

    Admit it and time will make your generations to disown you and then they will pronounce you as the loosers.

    Soon, Altaf Hussain will claim that people of India who chose Islam over any other religion made a blunder and then people like you would still support him.

    I’m not satsified with a ‘half empty’ glass either, but that doesn’t mean I would throw away the ‘half filled’ too.

    May Allah save Muhajirs, Sindhis, Panjabis, Balochis, pathans from following the loosers, Ameeen.


  73. silent-majority (unregistered) on February 22nd, 2008 @ 8:32 pm

    MQM lovers check ou the link below, you’ll be proud of your association!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j444heT4o14


  74. silent-majority (unregistered) on February 22nd, 2008 @ 8:32 pm

    MQM lovers check out the link below, you’ll be proud of your association!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j444heT4o14


  75. HaiderRizvi (unregistered) on February 22nd, 2008 @ 9:25 pm

    @SILENT-MAJORITY,

    Please don’t try to have a free-mqm-bashing ride, if you support other jahils like PPP.

    If you can support PPP, then why others can not support MQM? To me they are both the same, one is Sindhi based and the other is Muhajir based.

    PPP promotes dakoo culture in villages and MQM does it in cities.


  76. Reality_Check (unregistered) on February 23rd, 2008 @ 5:23 am

    HAIDER Meantime PTI and JI coalition curses everyone else, and does nothing worth while, except justifying, promoting and defending fanaticism.


  77. MS (unregistered) on February 23rd, 2008 @ 7:04 am

    Read the last news @ the end of the page.

    http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/feb2008-daily/23-02-2008/main4.htm

    Can anyone dig this video? I could not find it @ geo.tv!


  78. watani (unregistered) on February 23rd, 2008 @ 1:28 pm

    jo jo zani party ka agent hain samne a jai. ham un ko god laikar naam dainge. woh agar duniyah mai a gai hain to un ka kia kasoor, becharay bhatak rahe hain baap ki talash mai.


  79. silent-majority (unregistered) on February 23rd, 2008 @ 2:07 pm

    @HaiderRizvi

    Why can’t the silent majority have a free (MQM bashing- hee sahi)RIDE? Is that only allowed to the MQM goons and their FREAKY leader(patheic witch trapped in an ugly man’s body)?


  80. Reality_Check (unregistered) on February 24th, 2008 @ 11:39 pm

    The so called SILENT_MAJORITY Leader Imran Khan was absent form the protest movement and choosed to stay away from the electoral process as well and now when the country has taken a step forward you are back again with a press conference and legal mumbo jumbo. What are you trying to do man? Pakee pakaai khana hey yah khud bhee kuch karna hey? Jaan choro bhai.


  81. watani (unregistered) on February 25th, 2008 @ 6:19 am

    Silent majority is jerk and want blow job every where, whats wrong with you reality check if they want to do it.


  82. fahmed (unregistered) on February 25th, 2008 @ 12:14 pm

    it was wierd to hear Imran Khan congratulating the PPP & PML-N of routing the govt. backed parties in the elctions and saying the people have given their verdict!!

    does that asshole, Imran Khan, has any right to say that. he boycotted the elction when all others were saying that it was the best chance of defeating the govt.

    now that the govt has been defeated he is welcomming the election results!!

    i think he is mentally unstable and for all he is worth is shouldnever come to power as he can have extreme mood swings!!

    the theives in PPP, PML-N and PML-Q are well known and we can preedict which way they will go, but this Imrnan Khan guy is completely nutts. u never know what he will do!


  83. AMMAR (unregistered) on February 25th, 2008 @ 1:10 pm

    Imran is a character less person. One who cannot own his daughter and claims to be the champion f justice, just ridiculous. Question mark to the wisdom of people (atleast dozen) who see him as a leader and chief of justice party. Wake up guys, how can you claim to be in your senses…


  84. fahmed (unregistered) on February 25th, 2008 @ 1:27 pm

    iam sure that if you give him complete power to rule and rectify pakistan he won’t have a clue what to do.

    he has never promted any other person in his party other then himslef.

    i do not know the name of even one party leader other then him in PTI.

    Does anyone know anyone else in his party?

    he is self promoting.

    the last nail in the coffin for me was when on 3rd, Nov he held a press conference in Mumbai and condemned the pak govt. to the top of his voice.

    for me he is a total nutt as he did not even wait to come back to pk. of all the places he chose the indian soil to rubbish pak govt.

    i strongly condemn what mush did on nov the 3rd. i think he should be hanged for it but how can a sane pakistani with an iota of selfrespect chose indian soil to launch an attack on pakistan govt.

    for me he is a no brainer, an idiot and a nobody.


  85. fahmed (unregistered) on February 25th, 2008 @ 2:12 pm

    the biggest joke of the year is the pir of London warning about the dangers if MQM’s mandate is not recognized!!

    what does is really mean by that?? i don’t get it.

    in an election if u don’t get a majority u sit in the opposition. Right!!

    so is he threatening the news incomming PPP Govt. that if they do not include the MQM in the next govt. he will make their lives misserable…..meaning going to th old ways of MQM….Strikes, killing opponents, bhata………

    how can any sane person who has only 29% seats in the sind assembly threaten a party which has gained an absolute majority of 54% seats.

    is he saying MQM has a prepetual right to sit in the govt??

    how did they treat the PPP during their 5 yeaqr rule? did they include it in the govt?

    thousands of cases were filed after 27/dec incident, most fake cases against political opponents.

    so is he afraid that it may be pay back time??


  86. Khan (unregistered) on February 25th, 2008 @ 5:39 pm

    Mr. Kamran , kya waldain tameez sikhana bhol gay?????pehlay baat karnay ki tameez sikh kar aao. Phir noble people ki mehfil may ana.

    Keh may bhi buhat kutch sakta ho magar meray waldain ki tarbiat mujhay rok dayti hay.


  87. Khan (unregistered) on February 25th, 2008 @ 6:12 pm

    Mr. Unknown, Your statement shows that you follow the Zionist policy as they say that we are friends of Palestinians but against Hamas which is representative party of Palestinians. Actually people like you want to deprive Muhajirs from their political movement because MQM can raise voices against the unjust of the policies of the enemy of Muhajirs.

    MQM has ,at least, got the Muhajirs united and intends to get other communities united against the feudal class. If MQM does any thing wrong then you can point out its mistakes positively but your words full of hatred show that what are your intentions. MQM has changed a lot from Muhajir to Mutehda , it has gone a long way. Now its your time to change.


  88. fahmed (unregistered) on February 25th, 2008 @ 8:16 pm

    @ Khan

    by do u still call urself a muhajir/refugee. do u intend to go back to UP/CP/Gujrat?

    even if you can justify it, how can only urdu speaking and memons are muhajirs!!

    do u consider the muslims of est punjab, who were completely wiped out, a muhajirs??

    do the urdu speaking/ gugrati people have a trade mark on the word muhajir?


  89. fahmed (unregistered) on February 25th, 2008 @ 8:17 pm

    @ Khan

    y do u still call urself a muhajir/refugee. do u intend to go back to UP/CP/Gujrat?

    even if you can justify it, how can only urdu speaking and memons are muhajirs!!

    do u consider the muslims of est punjab, who were completely wiped out, a muhajir??

    do the urdu speaking/ gugrati people have a trade mark on the word muhajir?


  90. fahmed (unregistered) on February 25th, 2008 @ 8:22 pm

    and now a days the MQM calls it self mutehada!!

    the cloak of hypocrecy the MQM wears now a days that it included all communities esp punjabis, sindhis…etc is exposed by it’s supporters like u.

    u people are rascists to the core.


  91. faraz (unregistered) on February 25th, 2008 @ 11:22 pm

    Fahmeed. What made you think that just because ppl of Karachi vote for MQM, they agree with Altaf and MQM leaders views about non-sindhis like Punjabis.

    I am not sure that you live in Karachi, but you will find so many urdu speaing familes marrying with punjabis and sindhis. I have close relatives who are pashtun and punjabis. I agree that urdu speaking dont have exclusive right on word Muhajir and infact I think myself urdu speaking Karachities not a Muhajir.

    Now as for MQM, you dont know the atmosphere of frustation in mid 80’s. Things are not as bad as they were in 80’s but people are supporting MQM because of intertia and many dont find any other alternatives.

    For 1980. just think that untill 1974, most of the bussiness were run by urdu speaking and gujratis familes like Habib Bank, PIA, Dada Bhoy,State life etc. Also because of higher education rate, ppl of Karachi have big share in beauracracy. Suddenly by name of nationalization and quota system, thats all gone. Whole Karachi compteted for few hundreds engineering and medical seats. Even companies like PIA and Habib bank close their door for Karachities which were started by Karachities. so it created a do-or-die situation and all Karachi march behind MQM. Unfortunatley MQM has given very less to Karachi back. I think if Altaf were a half leader what Benazir was, problems of Karachi would have been solved.

    anyhow many Karachities still dont see any alternatives, but dont think that majority of Karachities are punjabis haters. You can also find many people in Northern Punjab(Hindku belt) who dont like sindhis and urdu speaking ppl on racial ground.


  92. fahmed (unregistered) on February 26th, 2008 @ 10:57 am

    @ FARAZ

    "For 1980. just think that untill 1974, most of the bussiness were run by urdu speaking and gujratis familes like Habib Bank, PIA, Dada Bhoy,State life etc. Also because of higher education rate, ppl of Karachi have big share in beauracracy…."

    Don’t you think that because of the above situation in 1974, as you just mentioned, the other more then 90% people of pakistan had their own resentments towards urdu speaking people?

    the new emigrants who were less then 8% of the total population controlled every sphere of life in pakistan. like the nawabs of lukhnow..etc running the whole country.

    even now they are represented dispropotionally in the beauracracy/army.

    do u thing that in that situation the other local people did not have their genuine grivences??

    as for the educational brilliance of urdu speaking people do u thing it was because of their superior genetic make up or the fact they got better oppurtunites in karachi as opposed to the rural areas?

    don’t be a racsist! your above argument is pathetic.

    u said:

    "You can also find many people in Northern Punjab(Hindku belt) who dont like sindhis and urdu speaking ppl on racial ground…."

    r u nutts?? the hindko speakers do not even consider themselves punjabis..and they are among the most friendliest of all. where did u get this info from? Iam sure from MQM hate literature.

    u do not have a clue of what u are talking!


  93. fahmed (unregistered) on February 26th, 2008 @ 11:11 am

    @faraz,

    i was born and brought up in karachi and currently iam working in dubai


  94. fahmed (unregistered) on February 26th, 2008 @ 2:14 pm

    http://www.statpak.gov.pk/depts/pco/statistics/other_tables/pop_by_mother_tongue.pdf

    check the above link. only 75% of the people of punjabi speak punjabi as their mother tonge.

    almost 25% of people living in punjab are not punjabis.

    punjabis are about 44% of the total in pakistan. not a majority! and than includes 11.52% punjabis living in sind.


  95. fahmed (unregistered) on February 26th, 2008 @ 2:16 pm

    of the 148 MNA’s elected from punjab more then 25% are baluch/seraiki/pathans….etc


  96. ASK (unregistered) on February 26th, 2008 @ 3:01 pm

    Its interesting to see how constructively we all talk.

    The whole point that is emerging from this election is that Karachi because of MQM will not be represented at any level, and then because of it MQM will punish the people of Karachi… how ironic.

    MQM is due for an oil change… and possibly a few more stuff, to serve karachi the way Karachi deserves to be served.

    Karachi is a metropolitan city that represents all the Pakistan, not just urdu speaking or punjabi or pathan. Urdu spaeaking people (myself included) are at the defining moment in history, and for the similar reasons that they supported MQM in 1986 election, they need to desert the MQM on any first future chance.

    And on the question of who to vote then… I think a divided vote is better than a wrong vote.


  97. nn (unregistered) on February 26th, 2008 @ 3:18 pm

    just a thought!

    won’t the MQM and the urdu speaking people be better served to have a Shaheed Qaid -e-tahreek Altaf.

    zinda hathee lakh ka aur maraq huaa sava lakh kaa.

    it will take away the hate figure in MQM as regard to other communities and if a descent guy comes to the fore then it would have a much better image.

    imagine what other communities esp think of Altaf when he preaches love among communities and in the same breath launches a tirade of ethnic hate against punjabis for having dreams of greater punjab!

    this jackass does not know that the punjabis gave up the greater punjab they already had on 14/aug/1947 for the cause of pakistan as they were told by the urdu/gujrati speaking leadership of ALL INDIA MUSLIM leage.

    Punjabis lost east punjab where there were more then 40% of the population ans also gurdaspur and other muslim majority areas of punjab.

    there is no punjabi muslim left today in indian punjab. but there are more then 15% muslim still living in UP. punjab’s boundries touched dehli. Pakistani punjab’s 3 rivers were gifted to india.

    now it should be called doab not punjab. indus is not included in the punjab when counting the 5 rivers.

    So before giving lectures to punjabis look at facts.

    ofcourse blind facsist would still deny facts.


  98. nn (unregistered) on February 26th, 2008 @ 3:33 pm

    hardly a fifth or less of the total of muslim population of UP emigrated to pakistan. east punjab was emptied of muslims with the 1st months of partition


  99. Jumanji (unregistered) on February 26th, 2008 @ 3:52 pm

    Lest we not forget: Short History
    1971: We lost half of the country
    1972: Language riots (Urdu Sindhi) alleged to be instigated by Mumtaz Bhutto
    1977: General Elections resulted in imposition of Martial Law Start of Zia Regime. Zia make sure that the sense of deprivation esclates in Karachi. His acts such as giving control of KESC to WAPDA and taking head offices of government controlled organizations to IBD termed as deliberate acts.
    1977: A new solgan on the walls of Karachi especially the now Central District.
    Muhajir ho to naz tum ko ho
    Muhajir to thay tajdar-e-Madina (Birth of Muhajir Itahad Tahreek?)
    1979: Local Bodies Elections saw JI dominate Late Abdul Sattar Afghani as Mayor
    1979: Altaf Hussain get imprisonment
    1983: Second Local Bodies poll agaisn JI dominated but was dented in some stronghold Abdul Sattar Afghani Mayor
    1983-84: Shia – Sunni riots especially in Liaquatabad, Ancholi & Sohrab Goth
    1984: Zia’s Referandum
    1985:Non-party General Elections saw JI candidates routed in Karachi won only two seats in Central District. Munawar Hasan, Mehmood Azam Farooqi and many others lost
    1985: Busra Zaidi Case riots against Pustoon run Transport and other establishment
    1986: Return of Altaf Hussain coupled with Ali Garh Carnage, Sohrab Goth Bara operation, firing on procession leading to Hyderabad
    1987: MQM sweeps local bodies election to the surprise of many Farooq Sattar elected Mayor although MQM think tank Akhtar Rizvi was considered to be the man.
    1987: MQM now have fight with Punjabies at Green Town and adjecent Areas
    1988: Zia uses 58(2)b dethrowns Junejo. Sindh got a strong Governor in Rahimuddin (Father in Law of Ejazul Huq)
    1988: death of Zia and new Elections
    1988: Worst carnage in Hydeabad Muhajir Sindhi again fighting
    1988: General elections MQM sweeps urban Sindh

    The divide is completed Muhajirs fights Pushtoons, then Punjabies and then Sindies. MQM get the nod agaisnt the Slogan MQM ya Mot (It is MQM or dead)
    1988: MQM joins PPP led Coalation
    1990: No confidence against Benazir MQM joins opposition
    1990: February saw riots
    1990: Benazir Sacked new elections saw Nawaz Sharif PM. MQM again Coalation partners
    1992: Start of Operation agaisnt MQM and formation of Haqiqi (another life line provided to Altaf)
    1993: Nawaz Sacked, rinestated and again resigned. New Election saw BB in power.
    1995: Operation by Nasirullah Baber (Never know who provided names of MQM activist and their hiding locations?)
    1996: BB sacked, Nawaz become Zil-e-Elahi with 2/3rd majority
    1998: Another MQM showdown with governement
    1999: Nawaz again sacked
    Rest is history which we will again forget


  100. nn (unregistered) on February 26th, 2008 @ 3:58 pm

    urdu speaking people though they would rule pakistan like Nawabs from the capital karachi.

    Alas! their dream was shattered when the capital was shifted and they have been crying ever since.

    Look at the badmash Altaf… he is openly threatening other communities that if the MQM is not included in the new power game he will let lose his gundas!

    but the urdu speaking people would be the biggest losers, like they were when MQM unleashed it’s terror on karachi in the 90’s.

    remember the torture cells and the football pole where the opponents were hanged.

    i have read today that the PPP provencial MPA’s have requested Zardari to Make gen.nasirullah babar the governor of sind.

    iam sure people in MQM have already started pissing in their pants.

    Urdu speaking people have been cursed by MQM and it will remain the case until they elect some descent people.

    they have no one else to blame but themselves.


  101. Nedved (unregistered) on February 27th, 2008 @ 1:58 am

    I think MQM,s politics is based on only one thing, HATRED. Problems of common people in pakistan are the same…be it punjab, sind, karachi, balochistan, phuktuankwa or anywhere but MQM spreads hatred by blaming other communities. In reality all communities and all common people living in pakistan are faced with same problems.I hope people understand what i am saying.

    I myself belong to a urdu speaking community. We are the most educated people in pakistan n we should understand this.


  102. Nedved (unregistered) on February 27th, 2008 @ 2:14 am

    One thing which I don’t understand…Y MQM has so bluntly supported Musharraf, they have always blamed the establishment for all the ills and musharraf has been the head of that etablishment for the last 10 years.
    Again an ethnic touch.


  103. fahmed (unregistered) on February 27th, 2008 @ 3:26 pm

    i tell u if the MQM had joined the lawyers movement with full force it would have won seats all over pakistan.

    the lawyers represented the middle class and MQM took side of the establishment on this issue and not only took side but also killed people on 12 May, 07 live on camera and showed no remorse.

    it failed that baptism by fire. if had not taken that stance had fully supported they lawyers then it would have been sitting pretty now.

    look at them now. they are like untouchables…no party wants to be linked to them,

    so they failed to practice what they have been preaching all along!


  104. fahmed (unregistered) on February 27th, 2008 @ 3:43 pm

    its pathetic to see Altaf bai practically begging others to include them in the next govt. what else does his threat not to ignore MQM’s mandate mean??

    he has ranted all his life against the establishment and ironically even during the last 5 years when he was part of that very establishment. it was really funny to hear that!

    a few days back some won was shouting on this blog : we won we won we won!!!

    yes you won the battle but lost the war!!

    now MQM will again drench karachi in blood and then the people who voted for them would be blamed.

    their voters should try to put some sense in their leaders that sitting in opposition is part of politics.

    you don’t start to threaten the victors that if they do not share power with them then they would start a war.

    Altaf talked of war!! so next time your MQM voters vote for this devil at leat think a little.

    you urdu speaking people claim to have the most brilliant minds…and that is true to some extent, but when others see the level of your leadership and the fact that you people vote for ghundas in election after elections…..r others supposed to love & respect you for that???

    honestly ask yourselves this question! don’t unleash another ethnic hate rant but think and understand that you people have elected these devils yourselves as your leaders, others have not!


  105. fahmed (unregistered) on February 27th, 2008 @ 3:51 pm

    don’t give me the example of nice people like Dr.Farooq Sattar..etc

    whats is their auqat in front of the pir of london? do qauree say bhi kam.

    if anyone even hints at disagreeing with altaf then he will be killed at once, so no one can say anything to him that he does not want to hear.

    azeem tariq met his fate at the hands of his own party.

    MQM has cursed the great urdu speaking people.

    they are the only ones who can shake of that curse!

    do u think Jamat is worse then MQM? at this moment the weaknesses of the Jamat-e-Islami seem to be childish in front of MQM!


  106. Jumanji (unregistered) on February 27th, 2008 @ 4:18 pm

    After the agitation of 1977 in which people of Karachi played a significant part the ruling Establishment / power brokers decided to break this stronghold of opposition. Zia pampaered nationalist forces in rural Sindh where automatic choice was GM Syed. Karachi was different no single party rule this city, JI, JUP, PPP all have there strongholds. Problem with all three was that they were Pakistan level parties. The hetrogenity of population was the soft belly of Karachi and this was exploited. This was the main aim of establishment cuz after ethnic divide in Karachi we did not see a single government go by popular uprising.
    Nationalist politics thrive on sense of derivation. For this the usual pattern is carrying lots of dead bodies on your soulder. It is the easisest of the way to attain popularity. During 1986-1990 MQM’s cause was supported by the hidden hands resulting in death of innocent people. The result a vast majority of urdu speaking people in urban Sindh started to beleive in the notion that their survival is subject to joining MQM.
    What happened afterwards is like a jin was allowed to came out of the bottle and now it is not going back. The involvement of forign hands in making things complicated can never be ruled out. The rise of Dubai and the fall of Karachi is not easy to explain.
    The worst sufferer are the citizens of this city. They are now remembered by the language they speak.


  107. NEDVED (unregistered) on February 27th, 2008 @ 8:15 pm

    Lot of people in karachi vote for MQM only cuz they are full of hatred. They know that MQM is bad n everything but they still vote for MQM cuz they have hatred for other communties, which MQM has mastered in buy givin a ethnic touch.


  108. fahmed (unregistered) on February 28th, 2008 @ 11:46 am

    The MQM is left to making threats of war. their problem is that in the last 5 years they have tasted real power much much beyond their numerical strength as the sind & federal govts could not have survived without them.

    now no one needs their support and they are left making threats!

    please remember that if there is "war" that altaf has threatened then who would be the biggest loser?? only the people of karachi!

    so MQM should know that they are in a much weaker postion now and would have to tone down their expectations dramatically otherwise they will get their "war".

    the other thing is that if the MQM had not openly & loudly blackmailed the sind 7 federal govts. after 2002 elections at every given oppurtunity when they felt aggreived then other people would not have been as hostile to them as they are now.

    the best the MQM can hope for is that their local govt in karachi and hyd are left unmolested.

    MQM has the come to it’s senses and learn to sit in the opposition as it is prt of democracy!!

    they have been in power and believe me power makes one lethargic & lazy and they will fare much worse in the next "war" then they did in the last one.

    sitting pretty in the comforts of his house in london it is very easy for the pir of london shareef to send people to war.

    Are the MQM voters Blind?? Altaf did not come to pakistan for one day even when his party had absolute power in sind and also centre.the governor is his personal servant.

    it means he is never going to come back again. but will keep sending people of karachi to their graves by his orders/actions from london.

    MQM voters have cursed themselves and have to break this curse themselves and haveno onelse to blame.

    Awami league used to tell bengalis that the west pakistan eats up their esources and that is the only reason why they are living in poverty. now look at those poor sould even after 37 years\of complete independence they are not much better off.

    the same is true in todays pakistan as every smaller provence now blames their every misfortune on Punjab. and in the same way altaf balmes the 2% for ruling 98%.

    he absolutely had no problems when he joined hands with those 2% to rule for 5 years.

    the biggest joke was when even being the part and parcel of the govt & establishment for the last 5 years he blamed that very establishment for all the ills.

    hypocricy has to end otherwise this curse on karachi will continue.


  109. Reality_check (unregistered) on February 29th, 2008 @ 3:47 am

    FAHMED MQM has not been lethargic or lazy in power, they were not application collectors in cosy offices, they have been working and working hard, serving all the communities without bias. It is a very lame argument that MQM while talking of the 2% becomes a part of the government, whats’s a logic in that? Haven’t the Republicans shared power with the Lords? And why shouldn’t they skip opportunity to get power to serve their constituents? Don’t liberal and Conservatives share power around the world as a result of a split mandate, they don’t give up on their ideals, but somebody has to run the show. By the way experience had taught MQM a lesson that boycott serves no purpose either. Being part of the government, they did a good job, their spending priorities were right, they did not give up on Provincial Autonomy and opposed the Choudhry’s and Arbab’s on many issues. Result being that they got the heaviest mandate ever including that of all the Business Communities as well as from traditionally PPI strong holds. Plus need I remind you that at the time of National Crises they have shown that they will work perfectly in harmony with the rest of the country.

    I agree with you on that they should sit in opposition if need be and do their job, after all nobody can stay in power forever. However, they should work with PPP to keep the radicals / fanatics in check, support them on provincial autonomy and other common issues. By the way don’t forget it also in PP’s interest that they remain hubby hubby with MQM they cannot afford to have their fate in the hands of Nawaz Sharif.

    Now what Curse your are talking about? Karachi is doing just fine, it’s not the Karachi of 80’s / 90’s criminally neglected and robbed of its resources, rest assured that PPP or any other party is not in a position to even touch CDGK and why would they? Are they mad? Any confrontation will damage PPP rather than anybody else, they desperately need to stay in power to rebuild their party.

    As for Altaf Hussain coming back to Karachi, I am not too enthusiastic about giving the suicidal maniacs another opportunity to create mayhem in this city, he has done a good job in delegating responsibility, cleaning up the party, bringing into fore front new faces that are energetic go-getters and round the clock workers, there are no hate messages coming out, the party is still quite regimented but continuously re-defining itself and improving. So let him be in London and one day retire from there.

    As for your reference to Bengali’s please refresh yourself, they have no regrets in fact they have not backed down from their demand of apology from Govt. of Pakistan for the massacre of almost 250,000 of their countrymen. They are leading the world in poverty alleviation efforts and have given us institutions like Gramine Bank, which has jolted the traditional concept of Banking. Furthermore, they have produced 100% indigenous Nobel Laureates and handle frequent natural calamities (courtesy their geography) without out side help. Plus every where I go in North America I see more & more of "Made in Bangladesh" in the stores.



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