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		<title>By: Balma</title>
		<link>http://karachi.metblogs.com/2008/02/24/mxa-elect/comment-page-1/#comment-53891</link>
		<dc:creator>Balma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mean last 50 or 60 years, not 590:-)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mean last 50 or 60 years, not 590:-)</p>
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		<title>By: Balma</title>
		<link>http://karachi.metblogs.com/2008/02/24/mxa-elect/comment-page-1/#comment-53890</link>
		<dc:creator>Balma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am all for trying every fucking politician, and top generals, and sirkari babus incl judges, influential in last 590 years. I know it will fill the national stadium of KArachi, and then some, but this trash in the form of politicians and generals.
Oh, it reminds me of what Mahatama Gandhi Shaheed said about lack of good leaders among Muslims. so true. his explaination. It fits me. I am the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am all for trying every fucking politician, and top generals, and sirkari babus incl judges, influential in last 590 years. I know it will fill the national stadium of KArachi, and then some, but this trash in the form of politicians and generals.<br />
Oh, it reminds me of what Mahatama Gandhi Shaheed said about lack of good leaders among Muslims. so true. his explaination. It fits me. I am the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Reality_check</title>
		<link>http://karachi.metblogs.com/2008/02/24/mxa-elect/comment-page-1/#comment-53889</link>
		<dc:creator>Reality_check</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BALMA can you blame them for that? Afterall during BB&#039;s first tenure ISI openly worked to bring BB govt down courtesy 10 million dollars from ChaChaaa Osama. How could they trust the Generals in ISI? Fazlu has always been an ally and he delivered Talibaan to BB, that way they bypassed the usual ISI channels in Afghanistan via Hekmatyaar, I didn&#039;t say that Americans were sponsoring this effort, when the Talibaan got more than expected success and started beating up women they held back, oilers wanted to build a pipeline but  Bill was an idealist he hesitated, he also hesitated to take out Osama because some kid toys showed up in the Satellite Pics and the rest is history.

Also if you want to try Naseerullah then by that logic you&#039;ll have to try all the leading politicians of this country, everybody has blood on his/her hands, but do our judges and the legal system has the guts, they can only go after one guy who has given them civil liberties in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BALMA can you blame them for that? Afterall during BB&#8217;s first tenure ISI openly worked to bring BB govt down courtesy 10 million dollars from ChaChaaa Osama. How could they trust the Generals in ISI? Fazlu has always been an ally and he delivered Talibaan to BB, that way they bypassed the usual ISI channels in Afghanistan via Hekmatyaar, I didn&#8217;t say that Americans were sponsoring this effort, when the Talibaan got more than expected success and started beating up women they held back, oilers wanted to build a pipeline but  Bill was an idealist he hesitated, he also hesitated to take out Osama because some kid toys showed up in the Satellite Pics and the rest is history.</p>
<p>Also if you want to try Naseerullah then by that logic you&#8217;ll have to try all the leading politicians of this country, everybody has blood on his/her hands, but do our judges and the legal system has the guts, they can only go after one guy who has given them civil liberties in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Balma</title>
		<link>http://karachi.metblogs.com/2008/02/24/mxa-elect/comment-page-1/#comment-53888</link>
		<dc:creator>Balma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK guys, Balma is not a politician.
Balma wants NAseerullah Baber to be tried for his crimes, and anyone else anyone has complains against.

And, oh, I didn&#039;t know that Nasru and Bunoo (Benazir) were working behind ISI&#039;s back when they created Taliban with the aasheerbaad of Uncle Sam. Does Fox News know this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK guys, Balma is not a politician.<br />
Balma wants NAseerullah Baber to be tried for his crimes, and anyone else anyone has complains against.</p>
<p>And, oh, I didn&#8217;t know that Nasru and Bunoo (Benazir) were working behind ISI&#8217;s back when they created Taliban with the aasheerbaad of Uncle Sam. Does Fox News know this?</p>
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		<title>By: Reality_check</title>
		<link>http://karachi.metblogs.com/2008/02/24/mxa-elect/comment-page-1/#comment-53887</link>
		<dc:creator>Reality_check</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FAHMED MQM has not been lethargic or lazy in power, they were not application collectors in cosy offices, they have been working and working hard, serving all the communities without bias. It is a very lame argument that MQM while talking of the 2%  becomes a part of the government, whats&#039;s a logic in that? Haven&#039;t the Republicans shared power with the Lords? And why shouldn&#039;t they skip opportunity to get power to serve their constituents? Don&#039;t liberal and Conservatives share power around the world as a result of a split mandate, they don&#039;t give up on their ideals, but somebody has to run the show. By the way experience had taught MQM a lesson that boycott serves no purpose either. Being part of the government, they did a good job, their spending priorities were right, they did not give up on Provincial Autonomy and opposed the Choudhry&#039;s and Arbab&#039;s on many issues. Result being that they got the heaviest mandate ever including that of all the Business Communities as well as from traditionally PPI strong holds.  Plus need I remind you that at the time of National Crises they have shown that they will work perfectly in harmony with the rest of the country.

I agree with you on that they should sit in opposition if need be and do their job, after all nobody can stay in power forever. However, they should work with PPP to keep the radicals / fanatics in check, support them on provincial autonomy and other common issues. By the way don&#039;t forget it also in PP&#039;s interest that they remain hubby hubby with MQM they cannot afford to have their fate in the hands of Nawaz Sharif.

Now what Curse your are talking about? Karachi is doing just fine, it&#039;s not the Karachi of  80&#039;s / 90&#039;s criminally neglected and robbed of its resources, rest assured that PPP or any other party is not in a position to even touch CDGK and why would they? Are they mad? Any confrontation will damage PPP rather than anybody else, they desperately need to stay in power to rebuild their party.

As for Altaf Hussain coming back to Karachi, I am not too enthusiastic about giving the suicidal maniacs another opportunity to create mayhem in this city, he has done a good job in delegating responsibility, cleaning up the party, bringing into fore front new faces that are energetic go-getters and round the clock workers, there are no hate messages coming out, the party is still quite regimented but continuously re-defining itself and improving. So let him be in London and one day retire from there.

As for your reference to Bengali&#039;s please refresh yourself, they have no regrets in fact they have not backed down from their demand of apology from Govt. of Pakistan for the massacre of almost 250,000  of their countrymen.  They are leading the world in poverty alleviation efforts and have given us institutions like Gramine Bank, which has jolted the traditional concept of Banking. Furthermore, they have produced 100% indigenous Nobel Laureates and handle frequent natural calamities (courtesy their geography) without out side help. Plus every where I go in North America I see more &amp; more of &quot;Made in Bangladesh&quot; in the stores.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FAHMED MQM has not been lethargic or lazy in power, they were not application collectors in cosy offices, they have been working and working hard, serving all the communities without bias. It is a very lame argument that MQM while talking of the 2%  becomes a part of the government, whats&#8217;s a logic in that? Haven&#8217;t the Republicans shared power with the Lords? And why shouldn&#8217;t they skip opportunity to get power to serve their constituents? Don&#8217;t liberal and Conservatives share power around the world as a result of a split mandate, they don&#8217;t give up on their ideals, but somebody has to run the show. By the way experience had taught MQM a lesson that boycott serves no purpose either. Being part of the government, they did a good job, their spending priorities were right, they did not give up on Provincial Autonomy and opposed the Choudhry&#8217;s and Arbab&#8217;s on many issues. Result being that they got the heaviest mandate ever including that of all the Business Communities as well as from traditionally PPI strong holds.  Plus need I remind you that at the time of National Crises they have shown that they will work perfectly in harmony with the rest of the country.</p>
<p>I agree with you on that they should sit in opposition if need be and do their job, after all nobody can stay in power forever. However, they should work with PPP to keep the radicals / fanatics in check, support them on provincial autonomy and other common issues. By the way don&#8217;t forget it also in PP&#8217;s interest that they remain hubby hubby with MQM they cannot afford to have their fate in the hands of Nawaz Sharif.</p>
<p>Now what Curse your are talking about? Karachi is doing just fine, it&#8217;s not the Karachi of  80&#8242;s / 90&#8242;s criminally neglected and robbed of its resources, rest assured that PPP or any other party is not in a position to even touch CDGK and why would they? Are they mad? Any confrontation will damage PPP rather than anybody else, they desperately need to stay in power to rebuild their party.</p>
<p>As for Altaf Hussain coming back to Karachi, I am not too enthusiastic about giving the suicidal maniacs another opportunity to create mayhem in this city, he has done a good job in delegating responsibility, cleaning up the party, bringing into fore front new faces that are energetic go-getters and round the clock workers, there are no hate messages coming out, the party is still quite regimented but continuously re-defining itself and improving. So let him be in London and one day retire from there.</p>
<p>As for your reference to Bengali&#8217;s please refresh yourself, they have no regrets in fact they have not backed down from their demand of apology from Govt. of Pakistan for the massacre of almost 250,000  of their countrymen.  They are leading the world in poverty alleviation efforts and have given us institutions like Gramine Bank, which has jolted the traditional concept of Banking. Furthermore, they have produced 100% indigenous Nobel Laureates and handle frequent natural calamities (courtesy their geography) without out side help. Plus every where I go in North America I see more &amp; more of &quot;Made in Bangladesh&quot; in the stores.</p>
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		<title>By: fahmed</title>
		<link>http://karachi.metblogs.com/2008/02/24/mxa-elect/comment-page-1/#comment-53886</link>
		<dc:creator>fahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 06:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MQM voters have cursed themselves and have to break this curse themselves and haveno onelse to blame.

Awami league used to tell bengalis that the west pakistan eats up their esources and that is the only reason why they are living in poverty. now look at those poor sould even after 37 years\of complete independence they are not much better off.

the same is true in todays pakistan as every smaller provence now blames their every misfortune on Punjab. and in the same way altaf balmes the 2% for ruling 98%.

he absolutely had no problems when he joined hands with those 2% to rule for 5 years.

the biggest joke was when even being the part and parcel of the govt &amp; establishment for the last 5 years he blamed that very establishment for all the ills.

hypocricy has to end otherwise this curse on karachi will continue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MQM voters have cursed themselves and have to break this curse themselves and haveno onelse to blame.</p>
<p>Awami league used to tell bengalis that the west pakistan eats up their esources and that is the only reason why they are living in poverty. now look at those poor sould even after 37 years\of complete independence they are not much better off.</p>
<p>the same is true in todays pakistan as every smaller provence now blames their every misfortune on Punjab. and in the same way altaf balmes the 2% for ruling 98%.</p>
<p>he absolutely had no problems when he joined hands with those 2% to rule for 5 years.</p>
<p>the biggest joke was when even being the part and parcel of the govt &amp; establishment for the last 5 years he blamed that very establishment for all the ills.</p>
<p>hypocricy has to end otherwise this curse on karachi will continue.</p>
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		<title>By: fahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>fahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 06:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the best the MQ can hope for is that their local govt in karachi and hyd are  left unmolested.

MQM has the come to it&#039;s senses and learn to sit in the opposition as it is prt of democracy!!

they have been in power and believe power makes one lethargic &amp; lazy and they will fare worse ine the next &quot;war&quot; then they did in the last one.

sitting preTty in the coMforts of his house in london it is very easy for the pir of london shareef to send people to war.

Are the MQM voters Blind??  Altaf did not come to pakistan for one day even when his party had absolute power in sind and also centre.the governor is his personal servant.

it means he is never going to come back again. but will keep sending people of karachi to their graves by his orders/actions from london.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the best the MQ can hope for is that their local govt in karachi and hyd are  left unmolested.</p>
<p>MQM has the come to it&#8217;s senses and learn to sit in the opposition as it is prt of democracy!!</p>
<p>they have been in power and believe power makes one lethargic &amp; lazy and they will fare worse ine the next &quot;war&quot; then they did in the last one.</p>
<p>sitting preTty in the coMforts of his house in london it is very easy for the pir of london shareef to send people to war.</p>
<p>Are the MQM voters Blind??  Altaf did not come to pakistan for one day even when his party had absolute power in sind and also centre.the governor is his personal servant.</p>
<p>it means he is never going to come back again. but will keep sending people of karachi to their graves by his orders/actions from london.</p>
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		<title>By: fahmed</title>
		<link>http://karachi.metblogs.com/2008/02/24/mxa-elect/comment-page-1/#comment-53884</link>
		<dc:creator>fahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 06:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Reality_check 

&quot;The key in the next few months would be how MQM leverages its position and deals with PPP. it will require clever use of stick and carrot....&#039;


the problem is that all the carrots &amp; sticks are with the PPP!!!

The MQM is left to making threats of war. their problem is that in the last 5 years they have tasted real power much much betond their numerical strength as the sind &amp; federal govts could not have survived without them.

now noe one needs their support and they are left making threats!

please remember that if there is &quot;war&quot; that altaf has threatened then who would be the biggest loser??  only the people of karachi!

so MQM should know that they are in a much weaker postion now and would have to tone down their expectations dramatically otherwise they will get their &quot;war&quot;.

the other thing is that if the MQM had not openly &amp; loudly blackmail the sind 7 federal govts. after 2002 elections at every given oppurtunity when they felt aggreived then other people would not have been as hostile to them as they are now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Reality_check </p>
<p>&quot;The key in the next few months would be how MQM leverages its position and deals with PPP. it will require clever use of stick and carrot&#8230;.&#8217;</p>
<p>the problem is that all the carrots &amp; sticks are with the PPP!!!</p>
<p>The MQM is left to making threats of war. their problem is that in the last 5 years they have tasted real power much much betond their numerical strength as the sind &amp; federal govts could not have survived without them.</p>
<p>now noe one needs their support and they are left making threats!</p>
<p>please remember that if there is &quot;war&quot; that altaf has threatened then who would be the biggest loser??  only the people of karachi!</p>
<p>so MQM should know that they are in a much weaker postion now and would have to tone down their expectations dramatically otherwise they will get their &quot;war&quot;.</p>
<p>the other thing is that if the MQM had not openly &amp; loudly blackmail the sind 7 federal govts. after 2002 elections at every given oppurtunity when they felt aggreived then other people would not have been as hostile to them as they are now.</p>
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		<title>By: Reality_check</title>
		<link>http://karachi.metblogs.com/2008/02/24/mxa-elect/comment-page-1/#comment-53883</link>
		<dc:creator>Reality_check</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 23:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BALMA you may already know that BB created Taliban to bypass ISI, whose main area of influence was Hekmatyaar + JI, whereas Talibaan were created with the help of Fazlu &amp; Sami. the ultimate goal served US purpose i.e. stabilizing Afghanistan and paving the way for the famous pipeline project. But BB lost power and Talibaan were bought over by Osama Jee and like any scerewd up scheme the outcome was also screwed up. Also, I think US were slow to react to this opportunity, and that was fatal, US indecision was  a factor which allowed Osama to move in.

Thanks to our transparent judicial system and courageous / honest Judiciary, conviction of any prominent political figure is simply not possible, by the way MQM guys were also not saints and the internal strife during those days was phenomenal, so much so that Altaf Hussain had to flee. But I like their transformation during the time of peace and their commitment to learn from their mistakes and make things better.

Also, remember if you eliminate the known then you have to deal with the unknown, in case of Pakistan the unknown almost always is much worse.

The key in the next few months would be how MQM leverages its position and deals with PPP. it will require clever use of stick and carrot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BALMA you may already know that BB created Taliban to bypass ISI, whose main area of influence was Hekmatyaar + JI, whereas Talibaan were created with the help of Fazlu &amp; Sami. the ultimate goal served US purpose i.e. stabilizing Afghanistan and paving the way for the famous pipeline project. But BB lost power and Talibaan were bought over by Osama Jee and like any scerewd up scheme the outcome was also screwed up. Also, I think US were slow to react to this opportunity, and that was fatal, US indecision was  a factor which allowed Osama to move in.</p>
<p>Thanks to our transparent judicial system and courageous / honest Judiciary, conviction of any prominent political figure is simply not possible, by the way MQM guys were also not saints and the internal strife during those days was phenomenal, so much so that Altaf Hussain had to flee. But I like their transformation during the time of peace and their commitment to learn from their mistakes and make things better.</p>
<p>Also, remember if you eliminate the known then you have to deal with the unknown, in case of Pakistan the unknown almost always is much worse.</p>
<p>The key in the next few months would be how MQM leverages its position and deals with PPP. it will require clever use of stick and carrot.</p>
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		<title>By: Balma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Balma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here are two questions for Reality_Check:

Why didn&#039;t US investigate Naseerullah Baber and Benazir for their role in Taliban&#039;s formation and their victory in Kabul? Any words of wisdom?

Also, why didn&#039;t MQM file a law suite against Naseerullah Babar and may be even Benazir for the crimes they committed against civilians in Karachi and Hyderabad...killings in Karachi, pucca Qila, etc.? Any thoughts here? 

or for that matter, why not a case againt Abdullah Shah for his ghunda gardi in Karachi. 

Now his son is aspiring to be the chief minister of Sindh!
What ever, whatever Durani, who I guess is a murder suspect in Murtuza Bhutto murder is also vying for chief ministership of sindh. Well, suspect in 3 murders is the king maker these days(Zardari), so what can Balma say?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are two questions for Reality_Check:</p>
<p>Why didn&#8217;t US investigate Naseerullah Baber and Benazir for their role in Taliban&#8217;s formation and their victory in Kabul? Any words of wisdom?</p>
<p>Also, why didn&#8217;t MQM file a law suite against Naseerullah Babar and may be even Benazir for the crimes they committed against civilians in Karachi and Hyderabad&#8230;killings in Karachi, pucca Qila, etc.? Any thoughts here? </p>
<p>or for that matter, why not a case againt Abdullah Shah for his ghunda gardi in Karachi. </p>
<p>Now his son is aspiring to be the chief minister of Sindh!<br />
What ever, whatever Durani, who I guess is a murder suspect in Murtuza Bhutto murder is also vying for chief ministership of sindh. Well, suspect in 3 murders is the king maker these days(Zardari), so what can Balma say?</p>
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