Another contender for Karachi’s Tallest building?

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According to this news item published in a reputed paper, the City Governement has signed a deal for a 47 storey building adjacent to Civic Centre.

The building complex will host 3 shopping malls, a 240 room five star hotel, a 12000-seat call centre, parking for over 2000 cars and will provide employment opportunities to over 50,000 people.

Seriously, great going if this happens, but a 5 star hotel near civic centre?? Do we not have enough “high security” zones thanks to these hotels and consulates?

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84 Comments so far

  1. sheysrebellion (unregistered) February 25th, 2008 11:57 am

    Is this the same as Karach IT Tower? They’ve talked about building IT tower for the last 2 years but nothing has happened.

  2. Farhan (unregistered) February 25th, 2008 12:22 pm

    They already had plans for that to boost the Expo Center business , beside Serena is planning to come to Karachi near Aga Khan Hospital ( Serena is owned by Aga Khan Foundation ) , Hyatt is planning to come to Malir Cantt so development is coming to KArachi if only yhe CDGK remains

  3. mansoor (unregistered) February 25th, 2008 12:48 pm

    i guess it is the same as much touted IT tower.

  4. FEW DAYS LEFT (unregistered) February 25th, 2008 1:07 pm

    for your very kind information it is not much time left that the CDGK will be eliminated , zardari and nawaz have clearly said that local goverments should be finished , if the local goverment remains than also the center is not going to transfer them fund and money so good old DEVELOPMENT days of karachi are coming to end very soon , you will now see the result of voting for the daciots(nawaz and zaedari) , on the other hand Altaf Hussain has clearly said to MQM workers that be prepare for another 92 OPERATION , peace days are very less , we are moving towards another big clash which would be dangerous this time as compared to the past because this time MQM has more power , money and weapons , they also have there past experiences , not many days are left when we will see that each day in karachi will be 12th may , 18 th october and 27th december.

    all the responsiblity will be on the bastereds zardari and nawaz , on one hand they will build punjab and lahore with there blood on the other hand they will push the entire karachi into fire and blood.

  5. fahmed (unregistered) February 25th, 2008 1:42 pm

    hay!! the land of agha khan hospital and the adjacent one was given by the govt. for free or at very nominal rates only for hospital purposes!!

    r they planning to build on free public land or are purchasing it for the commercial venture?

    if they plan to build on the public land givin for the hospital then it would be a crime!

  6. fahmed (unregistered) February 25th, 2008 1:56 pm

    47 story tower will provide employement to 50,000 people!!!!!!!!WOW!!!!!!!!!

    mush less people are working on the more then 200 floor Burj Dubai.

    i guess there would be a lot ghost workers working on the IT Tower!

  7. fahmed (unregistered) February 25th, 2008 1:59 pm

    47 story tower will provide employement to 50,000 people!!!!!!!!WOW!!!!!!!!!

    mush less people are working on the more then 200 floor Burj Dubai.

    i guess there would be a lot ghost workers working on the IT Tower!

  8. Abdul Sami (unregistered) February 25th, 2008 2:07 pm

    @FAHMED

    The IT Tower is suppose to hold 10,000 seats call center which alone will provide jobs to 30,000 Call Center Agents ( 3 shifts ).

    Add to it Shopping Malls, other offices etc etc

  9. fahmed (unregistered) February 25th, 2008 2:34 pm

    thats great.

    i think 50,000 people worked in the twin towers which were i think 110 story high.

    anyways if it’s true then it’s a great news!

  10. FAS (unregistered) February 25th, 2008 2:40 pm

    @fahmed

    I am living in Dubai and I know that Burj Dubai is not yet complete therefore no question of people working there. Burj Dubai is mix use building (residance and offices) and it is not 200 floor till now.
    (It is estimated to be around 180 floors). So don’t compare apples with banans and give falls impression that you know every thing.

  11. FAS (unregistered) February 25th, 2008 2:42 pm

    @fahmed

    I am living in Dubai and I know that Burj Dubai is not yet complete therefore no question of people working there. Burj Dubai is mix use building (residance and offices) and it is not 200 floor till now.
    (It is estimated to be around 180 floors). So don’t compare apples with banans and give falls impression that you know every thing.

  12. Sam (unregistered) February 25th, 2008 3:41 pm

    i think ager vocational and technical education centre banay dete tou who ziada better hota

  13. zee (unregistered) February 25th, 2008 4:06 pm

    Saw the news on TV. Much as I have always feared. The city district government system will be disolved. WHy? Because Zardari and Nawaz shareef deem it as a flawed system, one with a lot of loop holes and with little or no use. Thank you PPP and PNL-N supporters, you have indeed pushed us back another century for sure :)

  14. Syed Johny (unregistered) February 25th, 2008 5:00 pm

    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=20082\22\story_22-2-2008_pg12_11

    here the article! based on views from PPP ticket holder in CDGK!

  15. Syed Johny (unregistered) February 25th, 2008 5:12 pm

    @sheysrebellion

    it was in newspapers the agreement was signed last month ! with a Malaysian Firm, it was on world press !

    Our Electronic Media (as according to their Policies) only cover the negative developments in Pakistan, else every body had known about it !

  16. fahmed (unregistered) February 25th, 2008 5:16 pm

    @ FAS

    I said:

    "much less people are working on the more then 200 floor Burj Dubai…."

    i did not say working in Burj dubai. everyone knows burj is underconstruction!

    who said it’s 180 floors? it’s rumered to have 200 plus floors. no one knows exactly. do u ?

    you said:

    "So don’t compare apples with banans and give falls impression that you know every thing"

    whats that supposed to mean? r u new in dubai/UAE?
    by the way iam also living in dxb.

    i hope you know the difference between working in a bldg and working on a bldg! i said working on the burj…not in the burj.

    do you think a 47 floor bldg in pakistan would be imploying 50,000 people?

    by the way what does "falls impression" mean?

  17. fahmed (unregistered) February 25th, 2008 5:16 pm

    @ FAS

    I said:

    "much less people are working on the more then 200 floor Burj Dubai…."

    i did not say working in Burj dubai. everyone knows burj is underconstruction!

    who said it’s 180 floors? it’s rumered to have 200 plus floors. no one knows exactly. do u ?

    you said:

    "So don’t compare apples with banans and give falls impression that you know every thing"

    whats that supposed to mean? r u new in dubai/UAE?
    by the way iam also living in dxb.

    i hope you know the difference between working in a bldg and working on a bldg! i said working on the burj…not in the burj.

    do you think a 47 floor bldg in pakistan would be imploying 50,000 people?

    by the way what does "falls impression" mean?

  18. ali-en (unregistered) February 25th, 2008 7:54 pm

    Someone was high on something when thinking this out, we have all sorts of security concerns and the common man can barely afford sustenance, yet we are happy to blow big bucks on ridiculous novelties like this. Fortunately, there will be no further progress in a LONG time (much like the IT tower).

  19. AH (unregistered) February 25th, 2008 8:00 pm

    Re. Burj Dubai: Around 162 floors are expected and even though the final height is not known, I doubt its going to be over 175 floors. Source for the first fact: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burj_Dubai

    As for the dissolving the local governments, from the article linked by Syed Johny above, it looks like nothing concrete has been decided.

    However, I think we would all agree on two things: 1) local representation is good for all and should be continued; and 2) any changes implemented in Karachi should also be implemented in other cities i.e. there should be no double standards.

  20. fahmed (unregistered) February 25th, 2008 8:12 pm

    if the local govt system is abolished it would be for the whole country not just karachi.

  21. AH (unregistered) February 25th, 2008 9:01 pm

    Fahmed, One would hope that that’s the case.

  22. Balma (unregistered) February 25th, 2008 9:39 pm

    * One would hope that that’s the case.

    ******
    Hum tou Doobay hai’n sanam, tum ko bhee lai’n Doobai’n gay

  23. Balma (unregistered) February 25th, 2008 9:40 pm

    * One would hope that that’s the case.

    ******
    Hum tou Doobay hai’n sanam, tum ko bhee lay Doobai’n gay

  24. starkcontrast (unregistered) February 26th, 2008 12:51 am

    so wait, no one likes the PML-Q/Musharraf/MQM and what they did, and no one likes PML-N/PPP that just got elected.

    Wow, Paksitanis love being in opposition don’t they.

    Your Votes made it. If they were rigged, we know that the riggers were who had a reputation for rigging (PML-N/PPP). But ofcourse, no one is going to admit that now will they.

    As for this tower, its nothing more then hot-air I would say. If things don’t significantly improve in Pakistan over the next 6-8 months (law and order, government and economic situation), I firmly believe that most of all FDI is going to dry up immediately leading to absolute no investment in these new properties (I work as a consultant for these foreign firms, and we’ve already lost quite a few clients in the past 3 months)

    And yes, FDI runs the country. You have no idea about how much money is being brought in from abroad.

    Atleast now you can blame Bilawal/Zardari/Nawaz for all your problems!

    And yes, Local Governments are to be abolished. I think Zardari/Nawaz and/or there cronnies been going around saying that for a while now. Where they don’t get a cut, that place no longer should exist.

  25. starkcontrast (unregistered) February 26th, 2008 12:53 am

    so wait, no one likes the PML-Q/Musharraf/MQM and what they did, and no one likes PML-N/PPP that just got elected.

    Wow, Paksitanis love being in opposition don’t they.

    Your Votes made it. If they were rigged, we know that the riggers were who had a reputation for rigging (PML-N/PPP). But ofcourse, no one is going to admit that now will they.

    As for this tower, its nothing more then hot-air I would say. If things don’t significantly improve in Pakistan over the next 6-8 months (law and order, government and economic situation), I firmly believe that most of all FDI is going to dry up immediately leading to absolute no investment in these new properties (I work as a consultant for these foreign firms, and we’ve already lost quite a few clients in the past 3 months)

    And yes, FDI runs the country. You have no idea about how much money is being brought in from abroad.

    Atleast now you can blame Bilawal/Zardari/Nawaz for all your problems!

    And yes, Local Governments are to be abolished. I think Zardari/Nawaz and/or there cronnies been going around saying that for a while now. Where they don’t get a cut, that place no longer should exist.

  26. Reality_check (unregistered) February 26th, 2008 2:37 am

    STARKCONTRAST right on dude. They don’t have the capacity to appreciate the good and try to rectify the bad. If this senseless movement mongering and instability continues and the victorious secular forces go for each others throats, then say good bye to all things positive i.e. capital, investment, employment, development and towers.

    By the way all that negativity and incitement that we see is being perpetuated by those who choose to stay away from both the protest movement and the electoral process, now they are back in press sermonizing what should be done and how. They have the luxury of having no chance of getting elected, and hence can dish out all kinds of criticism and nagging for the rest of their lives. Plus everyone is open game, I envy them so much.

    As for the Towers its good in the sense that somebody is dreaming, but its up to all of us to make it a reality, next six months are crucial for this country viz a viz economics. Money has to make a decision, whether it’s worth staying in this country or fly away.

  27. Hena (unregistered) February 26th, 2008 3:50 am

    This is so sad. I feel like crying. Just when Pakistan looked/seemed like it was going in the right direction, these fools come strolling along and couldn’t leave well enough alone. Do we have to wait until this Zardari/Sharif generation expires for our educated young generation to take their place? Oh wait, there’s still dozens of Bhutto relatives waiting for their chance to destroy Pakistan further, will it never end?!! May Allah show its mercy on our country…

  28. Balma (unregistered) February 26th, 2008 4:03 am

    Reality_Check: mujhay toomhaari baato’n say lagtaa hae keh you are now having some respect for these two bit lawyers..keh doe keh Balmaa ghalat hae!

  29. Dr.HB (unregistered) February 26th, 2008 4:52 am

    god only knows whats gna happen….. i just hope all the people pushin for violence silently die in their sleep :S

  30. fahmed (unregistered) February 26th, 2008 10:08 am

    "..And yes, FDI runs the country…"

    iam sure this is what the Mughals thought when they allowed the east india company to operate in India.

  31. fahmed (unregistered) February 26th, 2008 10:12 am

    on a more serious note, i agree that FDI is very important but has to be monitored/structured in such a way that is most benificial to pakistan and not just for the foreighn investors.

    e.g like the stock market where the FDI comes in and the speculators make a quick buck and leave in the blink of an eye and the local small/medium investors are left bankrupt.

    there has to be an effective check.

  32. fahmed (unregistered) February 26th, 2008 10:18 am

    on a more serious note, i agree that FDI is very important but has to be monitored/structured in such a way that is most benificial to pakistan and not just for the foreighn investors.

    e.g like the stock market where the FDI comes in and the speculators make a quick buck and leave in the blink of an eye and the local small/medium investors are left bankrupt.

    there has to be an effective check.

  33. Inspirex (unregistered) February 26th, 2008 10:18 am

    @FAhmed: Just a slight correction.

    Investments in stock markets by international groups/countries is not counted as FDI. It is shown in the portfolio investments under SCRA accounts.

    The amount in FDI does not include SCRA account holdings.

  34. MQM v/s PUNJABI/SINDHI/PUKHTOON ALLIANCE (unregistered) February 26th, 2008 10:27 am

    for your very kind information it is not much time left that the CDGK will be eliminated , zardari and nawaz have clearly said that local goverments should be finished , if the local goverment remains than also the center is not going to transfer them fund and money so good old DEVELOPMENT days of karachi are coming to end very soon , you will now see the result of voting for the daciots(nawaz and zaedari) , on the other hand Altaf Hussain has clearly said to MQM workers that be prepare for another 92 OPERATION , peace days are very less , we are moving towards another big clash which would be dangerous this time as compared to the past because this time MQM has more power , money and weapons , they also have there past experiences , not many days are left when we will see that each day in karachi will be 12th may , 18 th october and 27th december.

    all the responsiblity will be on the bastereds zardari and nawaz , on one hand they will build punjab and lahore with there blood on the other hand they will push the entire karachi into fire and blood.

  35. MQM v/s PUNJABI/SINDHI/PUKHTOON ALLIANCE (unregistered) February 26th, 2008 10:30 am

    for your very kind information it is not much time left that the CDGK will be eliminated , zardari and nawaz have clearly said that local goverments should be finished , if the local goverment remains than also the center is not going to transfer them fund and money so good old DEVELOPMENT days of karachi are coming to end very soon , you will now see the result of voting for the daciots(nawaz and zaedari) , on the other hand Altaf Hussain has clearly said to MQM workers that be prepare for another 92 OPERATION , peace days are very less , we are moving towards another big clash which would be dangerous this time as compared to the past because this time MQM has more power , money and weapons , they also have there past experiences , not many days are left when we will see that each day in karachi will be 12th may , 18 th october and 27th december.

    all the responsiblity will be on the bastereds zardari and nawaz , on one hand they will build punjab and lahore with there blood on the other hand they will push the entire karachi into fire and blood.

  36. bk (unregistered) February 26th, 2008 11:55 am

    " on one hand they will build punjab and lahore with there blood on the other hand they will push the entire karachi into fire and blood…."

    your very nick " MQM v/s PUNJABI/SINDHI/PUKHTOON ALLIANCE " reveals the true colours of MQM mentality.

    when u people claimed to represent all pakistani incld punjabis…etc everyone else knew it was a plain lie. it’s good that now people will see the true racsist face of MQM.

    By the way if the local govt. had not indulged inwhole sale rigging on behalf of MQM and Q-league then this system might have been spared.

    u reap what u sow!!!

    jal jal ka martee rahoo!

    wo randee ka bacha Altaf, uskee asliyat sab ko pata hay.

  37. bk (unregistered) February 26th, 2008 12:00 pm

    " on one hand they will build punjab and lahore with there blood on the other hand they will push the entire karachi into fire and blood…."

    your very nick " MQM v/s PUNJABI/SINDHI/PUKHTOON ALLIANCE " reveals the true colours of MQM mentality.

    when u people claimed to represent all pakistani incld punjabis…etc everyone else knew it was a plain lie. it’s good that now people will see the true racsist face of MQM.

    By the way if the local govt. had not indulged inwhole sale rigging on behalf of MQM and Q-league then this system might have been spared.

    u reap what u sow!!!

    jal jal ka martee rahoo!

    wo randee ka bacha Altaf, uskee asliyat sab ko pata hay.

  38. bk (unregistered) February 26th, 2008 12:01 pm

    " on one hand they will build punjab and lahore with there blood on the other hand they will push the entire karachi into fire and blood…."

    your very nick " MQM v/s PUNJABI/SINDHI/PUKHTOON ALLIANCE " reveals the true colours of MQM mentality.

    when u people claimed to represent all pakistani incld punjabis…etc everyone else knew it was a plain lie. it’s good that now people will see the true racsist face of MQM.

    By the way if the local govt. had not indulged inwhole sale rigging on behalf of MQM and Q-league then this system might have been spared.

    u reap what u sow!!!

    jal jal ka martee rahoo!

    wo randee ka bacha Altaf, uskee asliyat sab ko pata hay.

  39. AMMAR (unregistered) February 26th, 2008 1:07 pm

    come on BK, behave. The word you use does not vindicate about Altaf Hussain, however, it showed that from you are coming. This also shows that you are in search of your father. We can adopt you like millions who are being adopted by Karachi, cheers.

  40. bk (unregistered) February 26th, 2008 2:10 pm

    @AMMAR

    Abay too Altaf ka bhai hay kiya??

  41. PUNJABIS ARE HYPOCRATES (unregistered) February 26th, 2008 3:21 pm

    The punjabis attacked the supreme court in 1997 when there father nawaz shariff was the prime minister , the same punjabis now talk for the supreamcy of judiciary , why did the punjabi terrorists attacked supreme court ??? the punjabi pando prime minister nawaz shariff build the huge and moghty rivand mahal from the money of tax prayers , the same punjabi nawaz sharif attacked and ban the media and attacked Jang news paper , arrested journalists and now this nawaz sharif talks about the freedom of press , shame shame PUNJABIS , it were u punjabis who laid the foundation of attacking the judiciary it were you punjabi who laid down the foundation of attacking media and today these hypocrates punjabis are crying and shouting , if you view the history of religious terrorism and extresim in pakistan than all major Sunni and Shia millitant organizations were born and founded in the province of punjab like Sepha-e-Sahaba of sunnis and Sepha-e-Muhammad of Shais , this shows the extrimisim and millitancy which these punjabis have in there mentality.

  42. PUNJABIS ARE HYPOCRATES (unregistered) February 26th, 2008 3:26 pm

    The punjabis attacked the supreme court in 1997 when there father nawaz shariff was the prime minister , the same punjabis now talk for the supreamcy of judiciary , why did the punjabi terrorists attacked supreme court ??? the punjabi pando prime minister nawaz shariff build the huge and moghty rivand mahal from the money of tax prayers , the same punjabi nawaz sharif attacked and ban the media and attacked Jang news paper , arrested journalists and now this nawaz sharif talks about the freedom of press , shame shame PUNJABIS , it were u punjabis who laid the foundation of attacking the judiciary it were you punjabi who laid down the foundation of attacking media and today these hypocrates punjabis are crying and shouting , if you view the history of religious terrorism and extresim in pakistan than all major Sunni and Shia millitant organizations were born and founded in the province of punjab like Sepha-e-Sahaba of sunnis and Sepha-e-Muhammad of Shais , this shows the extrimisim and millitancy which these punjabis have in there mentality.

  43. AndersonJack (unregistered) February 26th, 2008 3:53 pm
  44. IUnknown (unregistered) February 26th, 2008 4:46 pm

    i didnt get the aggressive sayings of altaf.
    why is he preparing him self for WAR?
    remember he has said WAR not operation.

    I think they shud arrest altaf this time as well. To end this all up. As they did wid Haqiqi. I have also heard that Haqiqi persons are begin seen in karachi and they are bravest persons.

    Afaq ahmed fired in shalwar of Altaf but I dont know how he survived? Can @Ammar or any other fellow confirm this thing honestly?

    Its possible that any thing doesnt happen
    and govt. get liquidated in an year or so.

  45. nn (unregistered) February 26th, 2008 4:49 pm

    @PUNJABIS ARE HYPOCRATES

    "the same punjabis now talk for the supreamcy of judiciary…."

    so it means that the strugle for restoration & independance of the judiciary is a punjabi conspiricay?

    so the bahiyas/makkars are gainst the independance of the judiciary?

    r u normal or high?

  46. nn (unregistered) February 26th, 2008 4:50 pm

    @PUNJABIS ARE HYPOCRATES

    "the same punjabis now talk for the supreamcy of judiciary…."

    so it means that the strugle for restoration & independance of the judiciary is a punjabi conspiricay?

    so the bahiyas/makkars are gainst the independance of the judiciary?

    r u normal or high?

  47. Concerned (unregistered) February 26th, 2008 6:09 pm

    A suggestion to the so called civil society, I suggest you stop messing with Mushy for a day and show solidarity and appreciation of the work done by the city govts all over Pakistan.

    This is becuase if ppl dont tell zardari and nawaz that we want this system in place and are willing to fight for it, they will abolish the system.

    Write in newspapers as well ppl, we need to keep this system in place for khi to prosper.

    Also a bit of breaking news, there is talk of Naseerullah babar being governor of Sindh. I am not looking forward to that, dont know abt the rest of you.

  48. IUnknown (unregistered) February 26th, 2008 6:17 pm

    its naseer ULLAH baber but Asim something

  49. nN (unregistered) February 26th, 2008 6:26 pm

    Mabroooook!!!!

    Nasirullah babar is coming to town.

    MQM has already started pissing in their pants!!

  50. nN (unregistered) February 26th, 2008 6:28 pm

    Mabroooook!!!!

    Nasirullah babar is coming to town.

    MQM has already started pissing in their pants!!

  51. Imran (unregistered) February 26th, 2008 6:33 pm
  52. Ameer Hamza (unregistered) February 26th, 2008 11:21 pm

    Although I do not support for MQM - and have never voted for them - I still believe that young city nazim and Farooq Sattar had done a lot of service to the city. One being the construction of roads, repair work on highways, fly-vers, and city parks. Though most of these plans were from previous Jamaat-e-Islami nazim (Naimatullah), they were implemented by MQM. This much credit is due to them whatever their flaws (terrorism, bhatta, un-necessary ethnicity problem, cutting down hundreds of trees, etc).

    I hope center won’t stop Karachi from development as the development of this city means the prosperity for the entire country. We hope that Zardari, although a fairly immature politician, will make the right choice.

  53. Ali K (unregistered) February 26th, 2008 11:42 pm

    NN is a total retard, so everyone, just ignore his silly hate mongering comments.

    Honestly, everyone can agree that the current city goverment is doing well, and I hope they stay.

    As all of us are karachites, it makes sense that we all want the best for our city. As each day passes, I care less and less about our silly internal polticis and hate for different ethinic types.

    In my group of friends, I have Sindhi, Punjabi, Mohajir friends and Pathan friends, and we all get along great.

    Lets all stop trying to piss each other off, and try to stand together and work for our future.

    I still dont get how ppl like their petty politics more than their country?

    How can ppl love MQM/PPP/PML-N/Q more than Pakistan itself..its sad.

  54. suh (unregistered) February 27th, 2008 12:05 am

    geo musharraf

  55. Reality_check (unregistered) February 27th, 2008 12:47 am

    MQM v/s PUNJABI/SINDHI/PUKHTOON ALLIANCE

    This guy is a Jamatee. I can smell him from a distance.

  56. Reality_check (unregistered) February 27th, 2008 12:48 am

    MQM v/s PUNJABI/SINDHI/PUKHTOON ALLIANCE is a typical Jamatee. I can smell him from a distance.

  57. Reality_check (unregistered) February 27th, 2008 12:48 am

    MQM v/s PUNJABI/SINDHI/PUKHTOON ALLIANCE is a typical Jamatee. I can smell him from a distance.

  58. Reality_check (unregistered) February 27th, 2008 1:00 am

    BALMA jab Barrister Sahib jaisey log yahan per comment kartey hein tou zara waqeel baradari ka khiyaal rakhna parta hey.

    By the way their long March is in doldrums, I guess PPP is getting ready to pull the plug.

    Any idea what was Nawaz Sharif thinking, when he gave a press conference with Qazi Sahib, has he gone mad again? Or he likes being used?
    He was talking about defining terrorism and avenging the ill treatment of Muslim League workers, surely he is not being pushed into another confrontation or is he?

    OH! sorry about duplicate posts.

  59. Reality_check (unregistered) February 27th, 2008 2:19 am

    That said it does not serve any purpose to stay rooted in the past. Its important to fix things and that requires taking decisions that may not be popular but none the less right. Musharraf has taken quite a few of those and now PPP and others have to carry on the fight, the problem will not go away by merely covering it up, it’s the result of more than three decades of senseless war mongering / paranoia and will not easily go away.

  60. Balma (unregistered) February 27th, 2008 3:40 am

    Last i heard, Qazi Hussain Ahmed had boycotted the elections ==> no representative in the parliament. So what is Navaz NoSharif meeting him for? Navaz is too stupid. I would have used a stronger word if he was not a kashmiri nasal. I am biased.

    If it wasn’t Pakistan, I would have actually enjoyed the show. I see what you are saying about lawyers….but I believe lawyers and judges, on the most part, are bigger criminals than police. It is lawyers and judges who have allowed the police to be such criminal.

    Zardari is just after money, and perhaps hope of picking some new babe(s) soon, so he is more flexible than Navaz NoSharif, whose only issue is with Mushee. But they together can’t work for too long. Sooner or later, probably sooner - 3 months? –there is going to be a problem.
    Navaz wants PPP to help remove the 2 limit condition. For what? The only person who could be effected by this limit on the PPP side has gifted us with her shahaadat (Thanks budnazir for dying). So why would PPP help Navaz Sharif in becoming PM for the third time?
    Second, all this legal hulla gulla….why would Zardari support free adalyah? So that the adalyah could try him for three murders? (Murtuza and Justice Nizamuudin and his son)?
    So, if these things are not going to happen, then Navaz Sharif is not going to keep supporting PPP:-)
    Also, didn’t Navaz Sharif imprison Zardari and didn’t Zardari-Benazir arrest Abba-ji?
    Nahin, yeh piyar-o-muhabbat zyaadah din tak nahi’n chalay gaa.

    I think the best scenario for Pakistan in the long run is for PPP to get rid of Bhuttos, Zardari goes to jail for life for murders, Navaz Sharif retires, Muslim league combines, and MQM and ANP expand their influence out of Sindh and NWFP respectively, and we have a 4 party system. Two party system is boring. Of course, Jamat Islami and all other Islami taTToos like Fazlu will have to be banned. They can merge into PML.

    So four parties:
    PPP (halla-gulla party to keep Mullahs in check)
    PML (moderate Mullahs with business interests in mind)
    MQM (fights for lower-middle and middle class - the urban dudes of Pakistan)
    ANP (Fights for the lower classes in the rural area)

    Thats it. Ban kar dou kambakht doosri parties ko.
    Pakistan can not have more than 4 parties.
    Zardari must go to jail.

  61. Balma (unregistered) February 27th, 2008 3:45 am

    Sorry guys, i had promised to myself after 27th December that I will not call her Budnazir…because she is not alive to defend herself. But, old habbits die hard. I am so used to calling her Budnazir - 20 years and counting - that it is going to be a while when I start writing her name as Benazir by default.

  62. Reality_check (unregistered) February 27th, 2008 3:50 am

    I call this BALMA’s Alternative, a very Utopian scenario but achievable.

    Dude you for got to mention Imran Khan. Where do you fit him in this Mosaic? Wouldn’t he make a fine Movie/Art Critic?

  63. Hadith for you:::The last Hour will not come until::: (unregistered) February 27th, 2008 9:40 am

    Translation of Sahih Muslim, Book 41-Number 6953:

    Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: It would be an Abyssinian(black man) having two small shanks who would destroy the House ol Allah, the Exalted and Glorious.

    This Hadith fits to obama.

  64. JayJay (unregistered) February 27th, 2008 3:03 pm

    @HADITH FOR YOU…

    I don’t know what you are trying to prove but a little lesson of history would have gone a long way in helping clear up your mind.

    History has proved the hadith wrong, not once but many times. And it did not take long after the Prophet’s death for the first occurrence. The Umayyad troops first attacked Kaaba not long after Ali’s death to crush a rebellion and a few years later Hajaj bin Yousaf carried out another attack against rebels which completely demolished the House of Al-Lah. The holy building had to be re-built twice within first 60 years of the Prophet’s death and many time later. Need I draw your attention to another occasion when the Black Stone (Hijra Aswad) was stolen by Karamtis and it stayed in their possessions for many years.

    Don’t try to scare people with hoaxes.

  65. JayJay (unregistered) February 27th, 2008 4:01 pm
  66. fahmed (unregistered) February 27th, 2008 4:11 pm

    i totally agree with JAYJAY. It is true that House of God was destroyed many tomes before.

    The karamitis stole it and took it to bahrain only returned it , i think after a decade or so, after a huge ransom was paid.

    the karamitis were a sect of shia’s but not mainstream.

    everyone can google search about the details.

  67. fahmed (unregistered) February 27th, 2008 4:13 pm

    i totally agree with JAYJAY. It is true that House of God was destroyed many tomes before.

    The karamitis stole it and took it to bahrain only returned it , i think after a decade or so, after a huge ransom was paid.

    the karamitis were a sect of shia’s but not mainstream.

    everyone can google search about the details.

  68. Balma (unregistered) February 27th, 2008 8:05 pm

    OK, will every one please distinguish between Q and K here. Using traditional desi/Indian/Paksitani/Urdu standard, it would be Qaramitis or actually qaraamatis.

    Again, it is Quran not Kuran, and Kursi, not Qursi. If you don’t know what I am talking about…don’t worry…just ignore this.

  69. Balma (unregistered) February 27th, 2008 8:14 pm

    Imran Khan should join MQM.

  70. Reality_check (unregistered) February 27th, 2008 9:09 pm

    JAYJAY & FAHMED, you rock dudes! These fear mongers are at it again, the other day during a social gathering a guy was spreading all sorts of nonsense and half truths and when I contradicted him it turned into a blah! blah! session. Its time to confront these guys with historical facts because they prey on ignorance and try to incite the weakest.

    BALMA you are stretching your imagination too far, come back to REALITY! :-)

  71. Moiz Masood (unregistered) February 28th, 2008 8:46 pm

    Only Mushi can put ths country on its rit direction! Geo Musharraf!!

  72. Moiz Masood (unregistered) February 28th, 2008 8:49 pm

    Only Mushi can put ths country on its rit direction! Geo Musharraf!!

  73. jeay altaf (unregistered) February 28th, 2008 10:20 pm

    ill just copy my earlier post. station the army/rangers in karachi. cut that black kanjars throat in london. wait. when the mqm goons come out, shoot them all. deport the rest from where they came from (ie UP, bihar) since they love india so much. arrest and hang the rest of the leaders who are involved in serious crimes. farooq sattar and ishratul ibad. short term will be bad but long term we will be be rid of this menace once and for all.

    also again i respect Urdu speaking people but i cant stand mqm.

    as for the nazim system, there is no doubt Karachi has seen a lot of development but things have been going down rapidly for the last 2 yrs. almost 70 percent of the funds are lost to corruption. shoddy roads, bridges collapsing and these nazims have become mega rich overnight. im all for abolishing this system.

    flame on.

  74. Star (unregistered) February 28th, 2008 11:06 pm

    Mr. Your parents were literally feeding donkeys when urdu-gujrati speaking ppl came to this country. We build Karachi which was city of 300 thousand ppl to what it is now.

    PIA, Habib banks everything is started by us. You guys need to behave if you want to live in Karachi otherwise go to smelly gobar towns from where you came from. We an hire you as gardner or gate keeper but dont think more then that.

    Before us hindu sindhis were living in Karachi. We got all right on lands which were own by them. We have more right to this land then you have.

    You guys adapter our language(urdu), our culture, our way of life, how come you guy can threaten us. Wyy retarted ppl needs quota system to save their jobs.

  75. jeay altaf (unregistered) February 28th, 2008 11:49 pm

    ha ha funny. Karachi was a tropical haven before we let u people come with open arms, our mistake. gujratis, parsis, christians, hindus muslims etc existed with harmony and did business. they still do and basically run karachi and even pakistans economy. now you talk about quadibad and altafnagar or whateevr you call it. and call that ugly thing from the back ally’s of bihar ‘pir sahab rahmatullah’ what gracious guests you are.

    one of my urdu speaking friends said this when i was in the u.s. a few days after 9/11 when the muslim community there was under pressure. he said we didn’t live in india as indians, we didn’t live in pakistan as pakistanis and we dont live in america as americans.

    live in pakistan as pakistanis or go back to india. lets see how u’ll like being gang raped and burnt by hindus ala gujrat, bombay.

    altaf rahber.

  76. Reality_check (unregistered) February 29th, 2008 1:38 am

    JEAY ALTAF I hate to say this but since you have spewed such poison, just tell me who was there for rescue when the whole of the north was shell shocked by the quake, who said wake up and do something? who was sending lady doctors in areas where men dare not go? on the other hand who was diverting trucks and looting them during those dire time?. We might be labelled as Mohahjir’s or Urdu speaking or whatever, but fact is we are Pakistani’s and not going any where and over the period have learned to talk in a language that every body understands in this land of Martial races.. Also we refuse to be made scapegoats for many problems inflicting this country including suicidal terrorism, jihadi paranoia, killing of PM’s and shortage of wheat etc. My friend when Pakistan was created there was no Pakistan economy, there was no State Bank and no financicial institutions, and no government. Do you know how much of Nizam’s treasure was deposited in pakistan coffers? Yes, we didint do it alone but never the less played a major role.

    Creation of Pakistan is the fulfillment of the vested interests of every community in this country including UP’ians, Punjabi’s, Pakhtoons, Balloach and Sindhis. We have thrown our vested interests i.e. the Nawabs out of the political fray and now it’s up to you guys to clean up your mess. Meantime MQM will continue to get stronger and reach out to every nook and corner of this country led by a young dedicated leadership who works tirelessly to serve its voters. That said, I admit that all are not angels but even the worst are far more effective than the useless hoards that occupy MNA / MPA hostels and turn them into brothels.

  77. Concerned (unregistered) February 29th, 2008 2:47 am

    Arey tum log pagal ho gai ho.

    Pakistan as enough problems we dont need this senseless hatred.

    JeayAltaf, dont be so negative boy, baki politician bhi doodh ke dhulay nahi hain. No point spreading senseless hatred, kush reh yaar.

    Star and RC, you will achive nothing by saying who built what, that is a stupid arguement, everyone contributed. support a party not becuase of ethicity but becuase of what their mandate is, this is where MQM lacks and if you keep fighting this Muhajir non muhajir fight neither you nor MQM will get anywhere.

  78. Reality_check (unregistered) February 29th, 2008 3:10 am

    CONCERNED I agree, but some times you do get provoked…..so the key is, "Never write in anger"

  79. Balma (unregistered) February 29th, 2008 9:24 pm

    * Do you know how much of Nizam’s treasure was deposited in pakistan coffers?

    ******
    I have heard that 20 Crore rupees were transferred to Pakistan so that first month’s salaray could be paid to PK govt employees.
    20 Crore ruppes was a lot of money in 1947 August.
    Remember, Patel bhai etc of India had disllowed transfer of Paksitan’s assets from Dehli to Karach (including Cash). Eventually, Gandhi shaheed forced Indian govt to allow the transfer of Pakistan’s cash to Pakistan. Mahatama Gandhi Shaheed gave his life for Paksitan. He was killed by a fanatic RRS Hindu for agreeing to Pakistan (as a last resort), saving Muslims from rioters in India, and for telling Indian govt to transefer Paksitan’s share of the pre-47 money.

    I have also heard Nizam’s jewelry in soem London bank was transferred to Pakistan’s first ambassador to London. His grandson actually confirm that transfer to me. I wonder what happened to all those assets.

    Also, I have read and been told that Habib Seth (of Habib Bank) offered to give a blank check to Jinnah in August 47 for Paksitan’s use.

  80. fahmed (unregistered) March 2nd, 2008 3:43 pm

    the nizams jewlery was sold to the Indian govt., i think last year, by then nizams children who are living in australia.

    it was never given to pakistan. everyone can google search it.

    as for the help in the initial year, ofcourse they contributed.

    but the sort of 3rd sate stuff said on this site does not warrant a response.

    the racsist/facsists cannot hide their faces behind any cloak…

    everyone always new their true colours and for the last many years they trumpted their new credentials but they wasted their time.

    the zebra can claim to be a hippo but would fool only himself.

    as for the earth quake relief…..every citizen of karachi contributed towards the relief effort but some kamzarf people later tried to use the issue to gather votes for themselves thus showing their true colours!

    the zehar spewed above against non-muhajirs is the true colour/face of the MQM and everyone knew about it. But the MQM kept decieving only itself and not others that they include all pakistanis!

  81. fahmed (unregistered) March 2nd, 2008 3:49 pm

    " Also, I have read and been told that Habib Seth (of Habib Bank) offered to give a blank check to Jinnah in August 47 for Paksitan’s use…."

    Yah, right….aren’t his next generations still reaping it’s benifits and getting it back with sood.

    the chors of Indus motors & Co fleeced the public for decades and are trillionaires now.

    taking 100% of the value of the cars and delivering after 6-8 months while keeping peoples money in saving accounts earning billions in interest without raising a finger. not to count more then 100% mark-up on the cars and stage managing the On-Money themselves.

    i don’t think it was a bad business deal!

  82. fahmed (unregistered) March 2nd, 2008 4:03 pm

    "Meantime MQM will continue to get stronger and reach out to every nook and corner of this country led by a young dedicated leadership who works tirelessly to serve its voters…"

    @Reality_check

    i consider you amongthe more sensible and rationale people on this blogg.

    do u really believe that teh MQM can peneterate every noon & corner of this country and win support???

    do u think that people from Sind , punjab, NWFP,baluchistan..etc are bling and eaf and don’t know that teh MQM is racsist/facsist?? can u in your right mind deny that.

    fascism is not a degenerating term per se and represents an ideology and what MQM, jeay sind, baloch nationalist,ANP…etc is fascism!!

    MQM must learn from ANP. It only says / does represent pukhtoons and does not try to cloak itself or rebrand as an all inclusive party.

    MQM should stop trumpting as Muteheda….electing some sindhi and other people from MQM strongholds does not mean that it has become inclusive.

    it should stop this hypocricy as no one is buying it.

  83. balma March 3rd, 2008 7:52 pm

    *the nizams jewlery was sold to the Indian govt., i think last year, by then nizams children who are living in australia.

    **** Your suggestion to google may be good, but not every thing was on record. Nizams didn’t have two boundaas and one necklace. He happened to be the richest man of the world (or one of the) in 1930s/40s. The fact that his descendants sold something to the Indian govt in 2000s has nothing to do with what was transferred to the PK govt via PK’s first ambassador to the UK (after whom Karsas is named now).

    anyway, i am not being a chamcha of Nizam here, after all what my father’s goes?

    Also, a blank check from Habib seth has nothing to do with his sons/grandsons haraampai in PK….Stop making everything sound like a conspiracy theory.

  84. balma March 3rd, 2008 9:29 pm

    I meant, fahmed, stop making every thing sound like a conspiracy.


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