1971, In Retrospective.

kmb1971.jpgThe events of 1971 were a part of the history long before I was born but even years later in the mid 80s as a primary school child I could smell the stench of the vicious broth we had cooked to suppress, degrade, demoralize, dominate and disgrace our very own people, the people of Bangladesh.


I remember being a student of class 4, one day I heard a fellow student use the term “Bhookay Bengali” as a derogatory remark to another fellow student of a slightly dark complexion. That day when I got back home I asked my mother why Bengalis are called hungry? And why the term Bengali is considered a derogatory remark ? It is when she told me how we over powered them used them to our advantage, made them work hard for us and paid them less then half of what they deserved and in terms of respect we gave them none.

It was this day this I first realized how in human we had been to these people. But as time passed and as I grew older historic events, stories and accounts of the events of 1971 kept coming to my knowledge. The picture kept becoming more and more gruesome, the scale went up to a level where it literally became a haunting scene. It painted an undeniable picture narrating the shear brutality we showed towards our Bengali sisters and brothers.

yesterday an evening of literary reading was held at t2f, a local café and the book which was read from was “Fault Lines” an anthology of stories of 1971 by noted authors from both Bangladesh and Pakistan and a few others from this same region, compiled and edited by Niaz Zaman and Asif Farrukhi, both of them eminent writers and noted literary figures from Bangladesh and Pakistan respectively, who were present for the evening along sides with noted writers Intizar Hussain, Asad Mohammad Khan and the editor Books and Reviews (DAWN) Saima Hussain to read out their contributions and share their stories, views and thoughts with the audience.

The event started with the Urdu version of “Fork Lift No. 352” a story by Asad Mohammad Khan. Which followed by a thoughtfully placed question by Asif Farrukhi: “Do we yet have any competent “driver” for the faulty “fork lifts”, to run them smoothly, and how would we know if the drivers are competent or not ?”. We may blame the faulty fork lift or the driver for his incompetence to trace the fault in time, but form the damage that has already been done have we yet learned something or not ? Was the question which instantly popped up in my mind.

The event continued, Intizar Hussain shared his views of the time and Asif Farrukhi  read an excerpt of his writing from the book while Niaz Zaman followed by sharing her story of those years in history, and her views and expressed her grieve for the unjust sad and later much regretted events which effected the common people of both the sides. 

By looking at the whole picture specially with the prospective I hold, it was not too difficult to see that we had pushed the people of Bangladesh to a point where they were actually cornered and were left with not many options at their hand.

 It was Only three days back when I came across this link, a link which narrated an incident of a horrifying war crime committed against some innocent women. the people we deliberately rendered poor and helpless we victimized, just because we could and yesterday’s event left me with a heavy heart, I had always been ashamed to meet the eyes with any Bengali, although I was not a part of the brutality which was unleashed upon the innocent people to favor just a handful few but still I feel the guilt. For these Crimes and incidents I do not blame the army, I do not blame the foreign elements, I don’t blame anyone else but my self. Me, and the people who took advantage of them, who never stood-up for them, who never raised their voice against the unjust, We never talked to our children about it, we never told the stories we should have been telling. Was this not our responsibility ?

But it is yet not too late to began correcting what we have done wrong in the past and to start with we should first realize and accept our own faults and not to repeat them, We should also bring the stories which were either censored at the time or remained unpublished and unknown and for that matter this book “Fault Line” published in Dhaka and being distributed here locally by the Oxford University Press is an excellent progressive step and hopefully more such books and anthologies will follow. Also as Bloggers, writers and journalists it is time to use the mediums we have in our reach to bring out the true stories images and events of the history with a neutral stance. Not to derogate one another but to make our people realize of their mistakes and the best way to do it is to find our own faults.

In relation to the topic (As someone mentioned yesterday) a group has been formed on facebook to submit our apologies to the people of Bangladesh, I have joined this group and I would suggest that all of us should do so as it will help us sort out our deference’s on a more public level.

1971, was bitter year for both Pakistan and specially for what now is Bangladesh, but now lets take lessons from our own mistakes and try not repeating our selves with the same mistakes again and again in history.

39 Comments so far

  1. pkman on May 12th, 2008 @ 9:55 pm

    Excellent post.


  2. mastqalandar on May 13th, 2008 @ 1:42 am

    Jamash,

    Excellent post. But why should I appologize for a crime that I didn’t commit.

    It should be the leaders specially the ones who were in power that time who should appologize.


    My heart goes out for Bengalis and for those stranded Pakistani’s who still fought for Pakistan Army and Pakistan Army disowned them. What a shame on Pakistan Army

    I wish I could read the newspapers of that time from Jan 1 1970 to onwards…


  3. Adnan Siddiqi (adnansiddiqi) on May 13th, 2008 @ 9:44 am

    As long as undemocratic forces will keep relying on dictatorship, world would keep seeing several "Bangladesh" on map. Mujeeb’s 6 point agenda was quite justified but as usual Federal Govt(Read Punjab Govt) didn’t like that some outsider(a Bengali) rule over the country even He was in majority. Bhutto on other hand played same role which Zardari is playing these days. I agree that why should I apologize for someone else’sin?

    Last year I tried to figure out about 71 massacre. It was interesting to see that still we forced to believe that naPak army consist of Saints and we were imposed songs like ,"Pakistani Foj k Jawan Hain Hum".

    What happened in 71 is trying to be repeated in Baluchistan now. Same India has been backing separatist movements against Pakistan and this is all because Punjab Mafia is still sucking this country.


  4. sajjadmaqbul on May 13th, 2008 @ 11:57 am

    Excellent post indeed!

    The brutality of 1971 can never be expressed in words.
    I always feel ashamed looking back into past. And I along with others apologize for all the sufferings of our Bengali brothers and sisters.

    Thank you Jamash for bringing this topic on KMB.


  5. Shamsi (shamsi) on May 13th, 2008 @ 12:09 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxrBzPY6cy4&feature=related

    as long as people like rehman malik, aitezaz ahsan, asma jehangir exist, confedartion of Pakistan is at stake.

    ZA Bhutto is solely responsible for collapse of EAST Pakistan, under cover could be Army. The One example I know is of former CMLA SIND Jehanzaib Arbab who was a Lt.Col in Pakistan Army in 1971 and was part of SCAM which looted the GOLD from State Bank of Pakistan.

    Justice Hammod-ur-Rehman commission report have clearly identified the Army culprits involved in Fall of East Pakistan., they left with chunks of booty and prospered in later years, whereas those choose to resist and fight were ultimately prisioners to be released after simla accord.

    I still remember my uncles & my grand ma fainting on watching TV news and film report about Pakistani soldiers slapped with shoes and AK Niazi signing surrender, soon after maghrib ki azan on Dec 16 1971. The black & white PTV newscaster reported in Bangla News that Pakistan Army has surrendered in East Pakistan and he was smiling wide, I can not erase the vulture face of that person from my memory yet.- There was dead silence for 3 days in our whole neighborhood and only kids ate food elders couldn;t gulp down a chunk in sorrow., and there were quran khawani in masjids as if someone near dear died of whole mohalla.


  6. Afreen (afreen) on May 13th, 2008 @ 1:25 pm

    An excellent post, Jamash!

    I remember in school, how few kids pointed at Bengali fellows and called them "bhangi". To degrade someone, Bengali kaheen ka was a good comeback. Of course, kids don’t have the capacity to be cruel but they were simply imitating their elders.

    If you go down history and talk to few people who witnessed the atrocities that happened, many such stories will be uncovered with a holocaust-similar futility of supremacy of blue-eyed white-skinned people over plain-faced Jews.

    Imagine if this division had not occurred, India would be overwhelmed and sandwiched between our two parts. Imagine the development and growth we could have reached.

    Whatever political people responsible behind it, the biasness that followed was countrywide and blinding to the Pakistanis. I just hope people do realize what really happened and do not follow what is omitted from the history text books and treat Bengalis with respect and same ardor as we would to any Pakistani. After all, they were in deep as much as we were in freeing our country from the clutches of British Empire and Hindustan.


  7. daman on May 13th, 2008 @ 3:26 pm

    Very good post. A dark and sad part of our history.


  8. murtadking on May 14th, 2008 @ 12:19 am

    "What happened in 71 is trying to be repeated in Baluchistan now. Same India has been backing separatist movements against Pakistan and this is all because Punjab Mafia is still sucking this country."

    hey adnan, how come we never got kashmir despite backing them for 60 years
    and India got East Pakistan separated in just 6 months.


  9. murtadking on May 14th, 2008 @ 12:23 am

    It is so comforting to read the views of fellow Pakistanis about
    bengalis. I wish Patric French, author of "Liberty or Death" got
    better views in 1995 when he visited Pakistan to write that book.

    Book: Liberty or death
    Author: Patric French
    Page: 421
    When I was in Pakistan in 1995, nobody had been very concerned about Bangladesh. The war of 1971 was a forgotten embarrassment, although most people were vaguely agreed that it had been a mistake to have one country
    in two separate halves. There was little guilt, or even knowledge,
    about the atrocities that had been carried out against their fellow
    Pakistanis in the east. In thr words of one retired official in Lahore,
    the Bengalis were ‘just black fellows with monkey beards’ — colonial
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    subjects who had been a liability to the exchequer, and could now be
    forgotten.

    Tahira Mazhar Ali, the political activist and daughter of the Punjabi leader Sir Sikandar Hayat Khan, was the only person who had become noticeably angry when talking about the treatment of the East Pakistanis. She told me a story about a demonstration by a women’s group against the military action at the time. We were all spat upon and then arrested by the police. As we were being taken away one woman, just a woman from the bustis[slums] shouted, "When the flower falls from the hair of the Bengali girl, it is the Punjabi girl who weeps". That was an incredible moment but most people weren’t thinking along those lines at all. I can remember at one official function where there was a group of women, wives of members of the elite, and I overheard one laughing to the others
    "What does it matter if women in Bengal are being raped by our soldiers?
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    At least the next generation of Bengalis will be better looking."
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    that was the kind of attitude you found here in 1971, and it is
    still around today.


  10. Adnan Siddiqi (adnansiddiqi) on May 14th, 2008 @ 12:28 am

    murtad because there were not Blacksheeps among Indians hence they fulfilled their plan easily. Plus India didn’t make any effort to make bangladesh. All was already done by Pakistanis. India just facilitate it.


  11. Adnan Siddiqi (adnansiddiqi) on May 14th, 2008 @ 12:30 am

    thinking of bangalis, why no body think about MEHSOREEN(Beharis) in Bangladesh. They have been living miserable life because they love PAKISTAN ,something which Bangladesh can’t tolerate and we as a thankless nation not willing to accept them. We can welcome outsiders like Afghans but not our own Pakistanis . Somebody redefine Irony please?


  12. balma on May 14th, 2008 @ 12:32 am

    I don’t believe history books used in Pakistani schools and colleges mention 1971, the fact that Pakistan had two wings – East and West, the break up of Pakistan, or that West Pakistanis didn’t want to live with East Pakistanis, or the war of 1971, and the surrender of Pakistan’s 40/50 thousand soldiers. A good book on this subject is Siddiq Salik’s "Mae nay Dhaakah Doobtay daikhaa"

    Yes, that is right. People in West Pakistan did not want to live with East Paksitanis in Pakistan.

    All the major players responsible for West Paksitan’s baighairat attitude did pretty well after breaking away from East Pakistan.

    ZA Bhutto, a major asshole, became Prime Minister. Yahya Khan retired. Tikka Khan became Gov of Panjab and a major mafia boss of People Party. Niazi after few years of prison came back and led a life of relative peace and quiet being a baighairat. Sahibzada Yaqub khan got kicked out of the army for refusing to lead military action in East Pakistan and ended up becoming Pakistan’s Foreign Minister. He was probably the only relatively educated Pakistani general ever. He spoke I guess seven languages. Otherwise from Ayub Khan to Mushee, most Pakistani generals are barely matric pass.
    Gen Rahim (I am not 100 % sure about him though) became gov of Baluchistan and married his daughter to Zia-ul-Haq’s son. Second level baigharats like Jahanzeb Arbab became CMLA of Sindh and got a chance to loot & KhasooT in Karachi. Many of thse 2nd level baigharats became part of Zia-ul_haq’s government.

    Bhutto should have been tried for collaborating with army in the genocide of East Paksitanis and should have been hung with Yahya Khan, tikka, and Niazi….oh, but again, we are talking of Pakistan.

    Moral of the story kids: More idiot, kameena, and baigharat you are, better you would do in Paksitan.


  13. murtadking on May 14th, 2008 @ 12:33 am

    Adnan, I don’t disagree with what you said. I will however put it in other way.

    We still can’t get Kashmir because Kashmiris don’t want independence as badly as Bengalis wanted in 1971. Or …, Indians are still treating kashmiris better than how we treated Bengali’s from 1947-1971.

    3 million killed in 1971. Now that is a hall of shame unlikely to be
    beaten by anyone.


  14. mastqalandar on May 14th, 2008 @ 12:58 am

    Murtad,

    May be Kashmiris want freedom as bad too, but Pakistani ISI is not as talented as India’s RAW. If there are no exploiters all the opportunities can go waste.

    May be our *leaders* had been keeping ISI more busy on the political front.


  15. murtadking on May 14th, 2008 @ 1:03 am

    "but Pakistani ISI is not as talented as India’s RAW"

    I agree. Pak’s ISI is far more talented than India’s RAW in … in …
    in …. conducting a genocide. 3 million bhool gaye kya…
    Let me put it in not so subtle words: If Indian army had decided to conduct a genocide in kashmir like we did in East Pakistan from Mar 25 (operation searchlight) onwards, there won’t be a single kashmiri muslim left alive
    today.


  16. Adnan Siddiqi (adnansiddiqi) on May 14th, 2008 @ 12:15 pm

    i dont get how raping women is considered better treatment? Kashmir couldnt be resolved because Pakistan was not strong enough to put this resolution infront of UN. Pakistan opted military option(due to political reasons rather for kashmiris) and Paksitan Army earned a lot in the name of Kashmiri Mojahidin. Only a fraction of Amount was actually used for Kashmir battle while rest of money was digested by corrupt army. Now Army started earning in name of WAR ON TERROR and their ROZI was started by Americans thus they closed the Kashmir chapters and declared yesterday’s Mujahideen as Terrorists. No wonder Pakistani army is not different than prostitute. Jahan se paisa mila wahin moo karlia


  17. murtadking on May 14th, 2008 @ 2:52 pm

    "Kashmir couldnt be resolved because Pakistan was not strong enough to put this resolution infront of UN."

    So who put the resolution for east pakistanis in 1971. West Pak even had the support of US who did nothing to stop the genocide from Mar 1971 onwards. Worse, Nixon said that they are aware of what is happening in East pakistan but it their internal problem.


  18. Adnan Siddiqi (adnansiddiqi) on May 14th, 2008 @ 7:43 pm

    Murtad, seems you think hard. Bangladesh was created because it was wish of US and India. same is not the case with Kashmir. Pakistan itself was the weakest ally to resolve Kashmir issue and it was rather used by Army and politicians to fill pockets.


  19. shoaib on May 14th, 2008 @ 8:08 pm

    Simple equation
    No Kashmir Issue = no need of big army
    so who want to have the kashmir issue alive is very evident.


  20. murtadking on May 14th, 2008 @ 8:26 pm

    Adnan – you don’t think anything because you can not.

    "Bangladesh was created because it was wish of US and India. "

    India – yes , creation of Bangladesh worked to her advantage.
    US = ?? Do you have any proof that US wanted BD to be created.
    In those days of cold war, US and Pak were thick friends because
    India and USSR were. In recently released Nixon’s diary it was
    mentioned that US knew about genocide in East Pakistan all along
    but turned a blind eye because they did not want to annoy their
    friends in Islamabad.

    Now let me tell you how India was able to break Pakistan in just
    6 months. It was because East pakistanis wanted from the bottom
    of their heart. What else you expect after the treatment they got
    for 24 years. Add to it the genocide. An estimated 10 million
    BDesis fled to India during summer and late summer of 1971.
    India had every right to interfere in the war because she was
    burdened with 10 million refugees.

    Has it ever occured to you that if west pakistanis treated their
    brothers and sisters from east well, the situation would have never
    arose. Why you keep blaming India for that?


  21. mastqalandar on May 14th, 2008 @ 11:13 pm

    Murtad,

    Offcourse Bengalis had bitter feelings because of the treatment they got on the hands of our CORRUPT GENERAL & Political setup.

    But thats not enough for some one to get an independent country.

    Do you think the palestinians don’t suffer enough? or the chechens don’t suffer enough?

    So why can’t Palestinians get what they want?

    Exploiters are always active to destroy Muslims and the True religion, ISLAM, whereas Muslims are sleeping a deep sleep and no matter what the hangover doesn’t get over.


  22. mastqalandar on May 14th, 2008 @ 11:14 pm

    @Adnan

    Don’t blame the whole Panjab for the injustice meted out to Balochistan.
    Its rather LA-DEEN Generals who are responsible for this whole mess and don’t forget to include the Feudal Land Lords, The sardars, Who suck on the poors and blame Panjab for every thing they don’t have.


  23. murtadking on May 15th, 2008 @ 3:06 am

    mastkalandar,

    "But thats not enough for some one to get an independent country."

    OK accepted to some extent, but I was comparing Kashmir vs Bangladesh. We pakisantis have no moral right to talk about kashmir after what we did to bangladesis. As I said before, Indian army has to rape and kill 3 million for the figure to match.

    "Exploiters are always active to destroy Muslims and the True religion, ISLAM, whereas Muslims are sleeping a deep sleep and no matter what the hangover doesn’t get over."

    In 1971 those who exploited Bangladeshis were followers of the only
    true religion ISLAM. Now what do you say?


  24. mastqalandar on May 15th, 2008 @ 7:06 am

    In 1971 Muslims didn’t exploit Bangladeshi’s. It were the SECULARISTS LIKE Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, Secular Generals like Yahya Khan and their gang of Soldiers who think DISCIPLINE OverRides Religion, they were responsible for the mess.

    It was Hindus of India who exploited the Muslims of Bangladesh. Now you can come up with more excuses for India, but members of Gandhi Family have themselves accepted and infact Boasted of the *HONOR*.

    At the same time, how can one ignore MUKTEE BAHNEE? were they saints? and angels.

    Pakistani Army wasn’t an embodiment of Islam or Muslim values. It was merely Muslim names just like MUSH, who were hardcore secularists.

    May Allah help the Bangladeshis and may Allah help Pakistanis and Kashmiris and all the Muslims of the World, Ameen.


  25. Adnan Siddiqi (adnansiddiqi) on May 15th, 2008 @ 9:27 am

    Murtad, balochistan is just one case. There are several other ways Punjab has been sucking rest of the Pakistan. Let’s not get into this. I am sure you are not as ignorant about the different things have happened in Pakistan


  26. saim on May 15th, 2008 @ 10:23 am

    Mr Murtad is 100% correct. Bengalis were always treated as an inferior race by the Wesat Pakistani army, govt and bureaucracy and worst of all they used Islam as a tool to suppress them and their culture. Bengali cultute and language was coinsidered Hindu by many. After making the Bengali language the state language various attempts were made by the amry and west Pak govt to "Islamise" Bengali by stuffing Arabic & Persian words into it and by changing the script to that of Nastaliq from the current devnagri however the bengalis resisted that as they knew that being a good Muslim doesn’t mean to become Arab or a Persian (something which we Pakistanis blindly follow that’s why our history books always pour venom on Hindus and try to potray Pakistan as a part of Middle East rather than South Asia). Ayub Khan banned Tagore’s poetry in the Bengali curriculum because he was a hindu and Ayub justified his act by proudly saying that I want to free the Bengali language from the "evil hindu" culture.

    All these things show how racist our governments and Army have been towards the Bengalis and Hindus (given the fact that Pakistan currently is home to 3 Million Hindus and before the seperation of Bangladesh, over 11% of entire Pakistan’s population (East & West combined) was hindu thus making them more numerous then all the other communities of Pkistan with an exception to the Bengali and Punjabi Muslims). I remember that in my school one of our teeacher was a retired colonel and he proudly said that Pak Army hunted down (did a Shikaar of) many "Hindus" during the Kargil War (by Hindu he meant the Indian soldies which could have belonged to other religions also) plus during my university days one of my class fellow was from Army back ground and he proudly said that Bengali women were whores and thus the entire bengali population is illegitimate. Our books always blame the Indians and the Bengali Hindus of East Pakistan of sabotaging Pakistan’s unity by bringing the issue of the Bengali Language (maybe because the person who gave the speech of making bengali as the state language of Pakistan was a Hindu, his name was Dherendranath Dutta and he was later killed by the Pakistani army during the genocide of 1971) however this was not something which the hindus fed into the ppl of East Pakistan, this was because the people of East Pakistan were proude of their culture and language and knew very well that despite being in majority they had no say in the Army and Govt (dominated by the Punjabis) and the bureaucracy (then dominated by the Urdu Speaking migrants from UP, Bihar and Central India). Thus making a demand for Bengali to be another state language (along with Urdu) was a way to assert their nationalism but our rulers labeled them a traitors and started to persecute them.


  27. saim on May 15th, 2008 @ 10:48 am

    We all should taker lesson for what happened in East Pakistan. For corrective measures, all those generals and armymen who were responisble for this Genocide should be punished severely and humiliated in front of the entire nation and should publicly apologise to the People of Pakistan for breaking the country and to the People of Bangladesh for committing hineous crimes.

    Finally there is still time for us and our polititians to address the greviences of smaller provinces and many smaller nationalities living in Pakistan before we see another 1971 repeating itself because if that happemend then there wont be any Pakistan left and the entire country would be divided into countries like Pakhtoonistan, Sindhudesh, Jinnahpur etc etc.


  28. saim on May 15th, 2008 @ 10:50 am

    We all should taker lesson for what happened in East Pakistan. For corrective measures, all those generals and armymen who were responisble for this Genocide should be punished severely and humiliated in front of the entire nation and should publicly apologise to the People of Pakistan for breaking the country and to the People of Bangladesh for committing hineous crimes.

    However to make a difference I want to apologise to the people of Bangladesh for what our army did to them and wish them all the peace and prosperity (though I was neither born at that time nor any of my family member was involved in that genocide)

    Finally there is still time for us and our politicians to address the greviences of smaller provinces and many smaller nationalities living in Pakistan before we see another 1971 repeating itself because if that happenens then there wont be any Pakistan left and the entire country would be divided into countries like Pakhtoonistan, Sindhudesh, Jinnahpur etc etc.


  29. murtadking on May 15th, 2008 @ 2:06 pm

    "In 1971 Muslims didn’t exploit Bangladeshi’s. It were the SECULARISTS LIKE Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, Secular Generals like Yahya Khan and their gang of Soldiers who think DISCIPLINE OverRides Religion, they were responsible for the mess."

    great. we can declare who is a muslim and who is not
    based on our convenience. the same army in kashmir
    become mujahideen for us and hey they were not even
    muslims (most likely joos in the disguise of muslims)
    in BD.

    "
    It was Hindus of India who exploited the Muslims of Bangladesh. Now you can come up with more excuses for India, but"

    last I checked it was our army which killed 3 million BDesis
    and sent some 10 million to india to escape from our army.
    yeah right let us blame india for that.

    "At the same time, how can one ignore MUKTEE BAHNEE? were they saints? and angels."

    Muktee Bahnee was for self defense by bengalis.


  30. murtadking on May 15th, 2008 @ 7:15 pm

    also in kashmir muslims committed as much crime as indian army did. kashmir also belongs to hindu pandits. they were all driven out.

    read this: http://ia.rediff.com/news/2008/may/15jk1.htm


  31. mastqalandar on May 16th, 2008 @ 12:27 am

    Well in that case, Ahmedabad, Gujrat should have freedom too.

    So should Amritsar, Khalistan GET FREEDOM.

    So should Hyderabad Dakkan get Freedom too.

    So should Uttar Pardesh.

    So should Kashmi get Freedom too.

    Its time to break up India and Free all the poor people.


  32. murtadking on May 16th, 2008 @ 3:26 am

    "Well in that case, Ahmedabad, Gujrat should have freedom too.

    So should Amritsar, Khalistan GET FREEDOM.

    So should Hyderabad Dakkan get Freedom too.

    So should Uttar Pardesh.

    So should Kashmi get Freedom too.

    Its time to break up India and Free all the poor people.
    "

    may we lower intelligence murtads share your priceless wisdom. Can you explain how did you arrive at this wonderful conclusion and what has
    this got to do with the topic.


  33. saim on May 16th, 2008 @ 9:46 am

    Dear Mastqalandar,

    Its high time that we Pakistanis start acknowledging and accepting our mistakes and stop blaming India for everything. Without a doubt India helped the mukti bahini and they too killed a large number of non bengalis esp the Biharis however we cannot deny the fact that for the first 24 years it was our own army, govt and the ppl who treated Bengalis like trash and always questioned their religion and partiotism on the basis of the bengali culture which is not so Middle Eastern. People like M.M Alam (who made a record of shooting down many Indian planes in 1965 war was not allowed even a single mission in 1971 war just because he was a bengali as all the bengali air force personel were virtually grounded after the Rashid Minhas incident)

    As for the secularist and Islamist goes then one should not forget that the same Islamist forces actually defended the operation in East Pakistan (Jamat e Islami openly supported the army, the same Jamat which called Pakistan as Napakistan and Quaid-e-Azam as Kafir-e-Azam before partition)

    Finally if Mukti Bahini killed the biharis then we went one step ahead by leaving them to rot in Bangladesh. For the past 37 those ppl are paying a heavy price for supporting Pak Army and Pakistan as they languish in refugee camps like unwanted burden. But our govt is least bothered about them becuase the are not "Son of the Soil" none of the province wants them as they say that these ppl will "upset" the demographics of their province (One cant understand that how come 3.5 lack ppl "upset" the demographics of a country which has a pop of 167 million). We accepted the Afghanis who have played havoc with Pak and its ppl but we cant accept the Biharis who fought for Pak against all odds. Without a doubt we are one of the worst ppl in the world.


  34. saim on May 16th, 2008 @ 10:03 am

    Secondly I don’t rememebr ppl of UP in India demanding freedom or even the ppl of Hyderabad Deccan wanting the same. It was the muslim nizam who wanted to have a seperate country of his own while the ppl (of whom 85% were Hindus) wanted to join India as although the nizam himself was filthy rich man, his ppl (esp the Hindu Majority) was highly under numerated in different fields like govt jobs, military etc and were thus sick and tired of being ruled by an autocrat). Secondly Hyderabad could have never survived as a country as it was surrounded by India on all its sides and was thus a completely un-realistic state. Finally as for the plight of Muslims of Gujarat etc then I think Pakistan should open its borders and take them because it should not be forgotten that Pakistan was made for the Muslims of "Indian sub continent" thus they should go over their as they have already formed a country of their own but then again how can we take 150 Million plus ppl? after all this too will skew the "demographics" of the country.

    So I think that we should stop shedding crocodile tears for our Muslim breathens accross the border as we will never help them practically but only try to make their lives miserable by sending millitants in Kashmir (after which the Indian Muslims are the ones who have to bear the brunt of the govt and ppl over there)


  35. mastqalandar on May 17th, 2008 @ 1:16 am

    Murtad,

    I can’t deny that the Bengalis were mistreated but if that was the sole reason and if that gives India a reason to invade Pakistan then Pakistan should too help the Muslims of Gujrat, Kashmir, and other freedom movements like Khalistan, Tamil Nadu, Nagaland and the *lower* cast Hindus whose lives are miserable because of the Upper Cast.

    India deserves a huge payback in return.

    As far as your numbers of Bengalis victims are concerned, I have doubts. Present me some evidence and please, please not some links like rediff.com propaganda sites.

    Ideas are marketed just like products, offcourse they need a gap in consumers behavior for these ideas to work. This is the work of oppotunists to find the gap and work on it, to sell the idea. Marketing can arise the need, even if there is no evident gap. The marketer has to be very smart to exploit the consumers behaviour. So, when you take religion out of your heart offcourse there would be a gap and it makes it easy for the Shaitan to market his idea. The consumer thinks he is thinking out of the box and buying the idea, where as Shaitan says ‘Successful Sales Pitch’.

    In marketing every thing can be sold. If there were marketers, they would have certainly sold the idea of seperate country to the lower cast Hindus.


  36. murtadking on May 17th, 2008 @ 4:59 am

    why should I show you links of 1971 genocide. Can’t you google yourself. Hint: Go to wikipedia and look at 1971 war articles. Wikipedia articles are backed by references (which are mentioned at the bottom of the page, taken from magazines like Time, and other neutral international magazines. Specifically look for US Ambassador Archer Blood, who was in Dhaka at the time. He sent a telegram to Nixon which is called Blood Telegram. Please read those references directly if you don’t trust Wikipedia. It is never too late to be informed.

    "I can’t deny that the Bengalis were mistreated but if that was the sole reason and if that gives India a reason to invade Pakistan then Pakistan should too help the Muslims of Gujrat, Kashmir, and other freedom movements like Khalistan, Tamil Nadu, Nagaland and the *lower* cast Hindus whose lives are miserable because of the Upper Cast."

    LOL. You don’t read do you? India got involved because 10 million
    bangladesi refugees poured to india to save their lives from great muslims of Pak army, who were following the sunnat actions of our prophet Mohd by raping women after a war is won. What do you expect India to do? To feed them without doing anything.

    If and when muslims of India, lower caste hindus of India run away to pakistan to escape from Indians, then yes pakistan has a locus standi to interfere and break india. Until then nothing stops you from dreaming about payback of 1971.

    It is sad that instead of showing hatred against the real perpetrators of crime (Pak army), we are making India responsible for the breakup. Those who designed the pak school curriculum must be proud of you – Another robot who can’t think on his own and is ready to piss on india all the time.

    Good that I quit this religion long time back..


  37. mastqalandar on May 17th, 2008 @ 7:11 pm

    …LOL. You don’t read do you? India got involved because 10 million
    bangladesi refugees poured to india to save their lives from great muslims of Pak army, who were following the sunnat actions of our prophet Mohd by raping women after a war is won. What do you expect India to do? To feed them without doing anything.

    Your comments don’t mean any thing but just your hatered against Islam, Prophet Muhammad and Pakistan.

    Oh dear Pakistanis, see the comments of people who pose as *HUMAN RIGHTS ACTIVISTS* and try to justify every action of kuffar.

    May Allah curse the Kuffar and Murtads, AMEEEN

    Murtad, don’t think that I will be a sissy Pakistani asking for Hidayat for you. I Ask Allah to give you severe punishment and make your life miserable ASAP, Ameeen.


  38. mastqalandar on May 17th, 2008 @ 7:25 pm

    Dear Pakistanis,

    Just see the comments of Murtad.

    People like him who pose as *Human Rights Activists* like to hijack our emotions.

    What makes them happy is we turn away from the religion of Allah and turn to their *deen of Shaitan*.

    We have sympathies for our brothers in Bangladesh and do not approve the attrocious activities of some of the people in Pakistan Army but we can not let them hijack our emotions and turn us to the other extreme of hating the WHOLE PAKISTANI ARMY.

    May Allah clean Pakistan, Pakistan Army of Murtads like him and may Allah give us the honor that HE gave to the Sahaba who followed the sunnat of Muhammad S.A.W. AMEEEN.


  39. murtadking on May 19th, 2008 @ 1:48 am

    "May Allah curse the Kuffar and Murtads, AMEEEN"

    You are even more juvenile than I thought. You fool Allah does not
    exist. The above statement of yours can be written as
    "May Spiderman curse the Kuffar and Murtads, AMEEEN" and it will
    be one and same.



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