Memories of my grandparents…

14th August is just round the corner and we’ve decided to have some of the wonderful memories of partition related here by the authors and commentators. Stories which you have been fed by your grandparents or your parents, who migrated from across the border to begin a new life here in the country made for democracy and equal rights for ALL citizens. Stories my grandparents tell me often, follow:

My grandparents (father side) lived in Bahunagar and then Bombay. My grandfather used to have a tea stall which he used to run along with his elder brother, Ahmed. British army was their regular customer and when they came they came in droves and all the war chat would take place there, albeit in English, a language my grandfather never really understood except for the morsels. He also tells me, whenever in good mood, that Hindu banyas were also his prized customers and they would be very rich and very tidy in their manners and style.

Then they came to Karachi, Pakistan.


Unlike many migrants pouring from India by train or walk or by mules, which was always a dangerous thing to do in those bad times, he and his wife arrived by ship. In those old days, ships b/w Karachi and Bombay were very common and lot of people used to rely on them for trade. Thankfully, it wasn’t disconnected after partition. If I can recall it rightly, it took around 7 days for the ship to reach Karachi and vice versa, and the journey was, as they remember, quite emotional but un-eventful. They off loaded in a city which was far cleaner, more managed, having wonderful, big roads and with lot of joggis around for people pouring in. Karachi was then a port city and it was just that. Further, he tells me with a shine in his eyes that the major thoroughfares would be daily washed clean on the orders of Mr. Jinnah, founder of Pakistan and the resident of this city.

I am also told that Karachi had no fear. People were loving and good-natured; Hindus and Parsis were the major businessmen. They had lots of properties and some really wonderful buildings to their credit. Khojas and Memons were also there but in lower number. As migration forced it way, that number eventually rose (that of Gujerati speaking groups) and lots of Hindus fled Karachi fearing for their lives, just as Muslims were doing from across the border.

I am also told that wide roads, (almost) zero pollution and a sense of new found destiny improved public imagination, which in turn helped people in re-building their lives from the scratch.

As more stories come to mind or are related they shall be uploaded here as comments here. Readers are requested to add their own treasures here.

21 Comments so far

  1. ameerhamza on August 8th, 2008 @ 7:56 pm

    An article printed in DAWN today written by Indian journalist, Kuldip, has these two paras…

    ‘I saw murder and worse while travelling from Sialkot to the Amritsar border. I can assure you that it was the same drama of blood and butchery, force and ferocity, on both sides. The only difference was that the victims up to the Amritsar border were non-Muslims and from there onwards they were Muslims. There were similar types of atrocities — the killing of passengers in trains, raping of women and kidnapping of young girls and children. When I migrated to India on Sept 13, 1947, one month after Partition, most of the killings in both Punjabs had subsided. I still saw piles of bodies on both sides of the road, half-burnt vehicles, strewn luggage and empty trucks which bore testimony to the murder and looting that had taken place.

    ‘Yet I cannot forget one touching scene while crossing into India. It was still daylight when I passed the white-washed drums with India’s flag atop a pole that demarcated the border. Some of us stopped to see a group of people — just to see — going to Pakistan. None spoke, neither they nor we. Both had left behind home and hearth, their friends and neighbours and the relationship of living together for centuries. We could relate to each other. It was a spontaneous kinship. It was that of pain and loss. Both had been broken on the rack of history. Both were refugees.’

    For full article, see http://www.dawn.com/2008/08/08/op.htm#1


  2. mastqalandar on August 8th, 2008 @ 9:37 pm

    My grand parents and their folks didn’t think about moving to Pakistan. They were settled in Delhi. But Hindu Extremists attacked their *mohalla* and my grandfather died there. People were so scared and wanted to leave that place that they didn’t have time to bury him.

    My grand mother, who was in her early twenties then couldn’t convince the people to let her look at her love or atleast bury him. Every one was fearing more and no one had time to take care of the dead. Her heart was all broken, her love was lying there without life and now she had to leave him at the mercy of the people who would then occupy and live in that house….

    My grandmother along with her kids left Delhi, they took bull carts, trains and finally reached Pakistan. Along the way they saw all the carnage done by the people who couldn’t see the Muslims getting their own FREE COUNTRY.

    Yes there were people migrating from Pakistan side of the border to Indian side, but there was no carnage. Why would Muslims kill? They got what they wanted, a FREE Country. On the other hand Hindus had a reason to kill Muslims to take revenge of breaking up India.

    So I don’t buy Kaldeep’s argument that the carnage was done on both sides. Thats a pure lie.

    From the border till they reached Sukkur, they didn’t see any carnage done by Muslims. Yes there were abondoned houses that the new immigrants took, but they didn’t have to kill the residents in-order to occupy the house.


  3. balma on August 9th, 2008 @ 1:51 am

    Actually, I was in Lucknow and Dehli, and Aligarh, and Hyderabad just a few weeks ago.

    I do think that the creation of Pakistan lead to (or some would say was the result of) the end of Indo-Muslim civilization. I think people like Jinnah were neither a representative of Muslim civilzation of India (the tehzeeb of Muslims of India), nor belonged to the old landed, educated, or middle class Muslims of India. Barely educated! Jinnah’s educational credentials are what? Matriculation certificate? Plus, on top of that, he had dictatorial tendencies. He demanded that whole Muslim league has to listen to him or won’t be the leader. The attitude quite common among Pakistani politicians to this day! At least, Maulan Hasrat Mohani, also a Muslim League leader, had the guts to stay back after he got pissed of at Jinnah for telling Indian Muslims to stay in India after causing the break up of India in the name of Muslims of India. I did visit Maulana HAsrat Mohani’s qabr like on the previous trip in Lucknow’s Bagh Maulvi Anwar area.

    Well, creation of Pakistan destroyed Muslims who remained in India. Jinnah’s selfish head could not figure this simple thing out.
    At last, things are now getting better a little bit for the Muslims of India.
    Their younger generation is getting educated, though Mullah types are tring to destroy whatever progress Muslims have made. I noticed stupid vaahiyaat notices by Jamiat-ulma-e-hind type assholes on Aligarh campus. I believe they are trying to take control over Aligarh univ. That will be the day whole Muslim population will be destined to drive rickshaws in India.

    Few other observations: even today, even the naukar chaakar types, car driver types speak decent Urdu in Lucknow…even after all these years.
    Imean the peole whoa re from Lucknow. Not, the Bengalis who have invaded Lucknow, and also Dehli.

    Couple of nights I went to the restaurant on the top floor of my hotel in Lucknow, and Ghazal singer was in full swing. Encouraging. My relatives in Lucknow (i.e. their kids) won’t stop until they will show meall the new malls built in Lucknow. After a few, I gave up. I think they have more modern malls in Lucknow than in Karachi.

    One day, I just walked outside of my hotel, crossed the street and started traversing the streets of Qaiser Bagh…. old mazars of navabs of yester years, begum hazrat mahal bagh, and so many other historic things.
    Some things were being repaired, some were in bad shape, there was a small masjid, and so on.
    Went to other parts of Lcuknow too. Chowk (no, no Umra Jan lives there), Sarai-Mualli Khan (area of my buzurgs around 1857 and later),bhool bhalayaan, Ameenabad, life is ravaan dawaan…Muslims have either fallen way behind….burquas and daaRhees…..or are getting very educated. Also, noticed lots of Bengalis have moved to Lucknow and Dehli.
    New Lucknow areas (the other side of Gomti) could match DHA and/or North Nazimabad. Of coruse, Nadva-tul-Ulema, Lucknow Univ, and IT college are right around Gomti.

    Well above is about Lucknow. Dehli and Hyderabad are way ahead of Karachi.
    Karachi may yehee haraami pun chaltaa rahaa tou Lucknow bhee KArachi say aagay nikal hjayae gaa.
    I think if you don’t count the katchi abadis of Karachi and Hyderabad, the two cities are quite comparable, otherwise Karachi has more filthy katchi abadis than Hyderabad and is therefore considered a bigger city than Hyderababd.

    Dehli is in different league. Unlike in Lucknow, Urdu script is very prominent in Dehli and Hyderabad. In Dehli, all road names are in Urdu script, besides devnagri script, and English. All buses in Dehli have messages like ‘maahole ko aalodgi say paak rakhain’ etc in Urdu script. One of the two hotels I stayed in Dehli, had live ghazal singers in their most expensive restaurant. Enjoyed that part of the trip.

    I guess Muslim stupidity does not need visa to cross border. Same Allah hafiz bullshit has reached Muslim community of India too, from Pakistan and the US.

    But, at least, finally, once again, Muslim Indians are paying attention to the education of their kids, boys and girls both. I found this very encouraging.

    Also, not all is hunky dorey. There are biases working against Muslims in India, but then Pakistan has problems too. Sunni people shia’s koe unglee kar rahae hai’n, Shias jo hai’n voh Sunnis kay DanDay kar rahay hai’n. Muslims in the US have problems too. But, there is hope that things will get even better for Muslims in India.

    In general, I saw Indians to be better dressed, better fed, cleaner – this time. Cities were cleaner too. Didn’t see the abject poverty that I saw in India in early 1990s. Way to go.
    In the end, it was difficult not to fall in love with India.
    I could actually see myself living there…. of course with lots of money. India is more expensive than Pakistan.

    P.S. the two most filthy places I saw in India were Hazrat Nizamuddin’s Dargah and the immediate area around Jama Masjid Dehli. Some people did tell me that Banaras is very dirty too. But……

    In the dargah, I actually ended up having a heated arguement with the sajjadah nasheen type ghundah sitting next to the qabr on why this muslim place is so filthy. Naked kids, kids peeing all around, dirty sticky floors – yes, this was Nizamuddin’s qabr. Luckily also managed to see Ameer Khusro’s qabr. I guess Indian govt should take over this place and the jama masjid andappoint educated Muslims on the committee to oversee these places. What a shame! Imam of Jama Masjid in Dehli and Nizamuddin’s mujjavar are jerks. They should be fired.


  4. barristerakc on August 9th, 2008 @ 7:59 am

    I think the idea of Pakistan lost her relevance post-Dhaka fall (thanks to our leaders from North) although the two nation theory survives in the form that Bangladesh didn’t merged with India. Right or Wrong, Pakistan survives although I seriously think we ‘the mohajirs / Urdu-speaking nation’ can-not survive in harmony with other ethnicities due to our ‘liberal-educated and secular’ approach. Either we should isolate ourselves from the rest (which is an impossibility) or try to separate Karachi and Hyderabad to form another, ‘nation’ which truly represents Jinnah(s) ideas of ‘liberalism, secularism and democracy’. Unfortunately, this is all painful to write since I had believed in this nation but I must admit I had been proved, ‘wrong’.

    @balma,

    I- I agree with your numerical argument in terms of dividing the muslim(s) of South-Asia
    II- MAJ never wanted Pakistan till November 1946 as he cleverly used ‘Pakistan’ as a political pressurizing tactic to force English & the Congress to get more and more perks for the Muslims of India but was forced in the end (by Nehru/Sardar Patel and the English) to settle for Pakistan
    III- Sir Syed Ahmed Khan was a ‘UP-Nationalist’ then anyone else in those days; fighting for the rights of both Muslims and Hindus of UP. He wanted to preserve the special status of Muslims in the UP legislative assembly(despite the lack of numbers) and the ICS Quotas where UP-ites were given special favors by the British.
    IV- I had traveled to India (thrice) since we belong to Fatehpur Sikri (a small hill town near Agra) and other places and I tend to agree with your observation.
    Regards,
    Barrister Ali K.Chishti


  5. cyrenity on August 9th, 2008 @ 10:38 am

    @barrister, balma,

    you are following your daddy (altafa) very right ;)


  6. IUnknown (iunknown) on August 9th, 2008 @ 11:05 am

    ppl like @balma (a.k.a. @kabirdas,@skeptic,@ammar etc) have the habit of cursing pakistan and its old leaders who were more sincere than mustafa kamal and pervaiz musharraf.

    @blama, tu hindustan main yeh reh, pakistan na, warana taliban tujhay mar na dein kahen. Teray jaison ki shamat aney wali hay ..

    india main utni sazishain nahi hoti jitni pakistan main hoti since pakistan was based on islam. Doesnt matter who jinnah was, but our country has the base of islam and it will be implemented in future inshALLAH. They had always been barkers and they will be there in future as well but they wont be able to do any thing.


  7. iconoclast on August 9th, 2008 @ 2:22 pm

    I think the article by Kuldip published in Dawn has some truth in it. There are evidences that there were killings on both sides of the border. Hindus killed because they could not accept the fact that Pakistan was a reality and Muslims that were originally on the Pakistani side killed Hindus to avenge the death of their muslim brethren crossing over from India.

    About the plight of Muslims in India, I really feel that there is a marked difference in the development of Hindu dominated areas in Mumbai and Gujrat and the muslim majority areas in these parts of India.

    I would sadly admit though that cities in India are much more organized and systematic and not as chaotic as Pakistani cities except for Patna in Bihar which is an urban disaster. Western and southern India are generally more progressive and you can feel the difference when you visit such places.


  8. barristerakc on August 9th, 2008 @ 3:57 pm

    @cyrenity, atleast we know whos our father? *unlike you*

    @Iunknow – janab, Pakistan was not made for Islam ; it was to be the land of Muslims – a Muslim Majority State – created due to the series of unfortunate events.

    @iconoclast – kindly read William Dalrymple for a more neutral perspective.
    In one of the articles he wrote,

    “On the ground, of course, the reality is different and first-time visitors to Pakistan are almost always surprised by the country’s visible prosperity. There is far less poverty on show in Pakistan than in India, fewer beggars, and much less desperation. In many ways the infrastructure of Pakistan is much more advanced: there are better roads and airports, and more reliable electricity. Middle-class Pakistani houses are often bigger and better appointed than their equivalents in India.

    Moreover, the Pakistani economy is undergoing a construction and consumer boom similar to India’s, with growth rates of 7%, and what is currently the fastest-rising stock market in Asia. You can see the effects everywhere: in new shopping centers and restaurant complexes, in the hoardings for the latest laptops and iPods, in the cranes and building sites, in the endless stores selling mobile phones: in 2003 the country had fewer than three million cellphone users; today there are almost 50 million.”

    Regards,
    Barrister Ali K.Chishti


  9. aflatoon on August 9th, 2008 @ 8:46 pm

    The Two Nation Theory

    Neither Jinnah, nor Allama Iqbal and non of the other Muslims leaguers were Muslim Fundamentalists, but still at that point of time they realized that Muslims needed a seperate state, where they would not be treated as SECOND CLASS CITIZENS. They had realized the viscious desires of Hindu Fundamentlists to rule the Muslims.

    Hindus never considered Muslims as ones who deserved equal rights, They are not ready to give equal rights to even Hindus of lower cast, how can they tolerate the Muslims to enjoy the freedom. Rather the fundamentalist Hindus had been poisoning the minds of Hindus with the hate against Muslims.

    Not all the Hindus in India are hate mongering people but the Hindu Extremists have a sizable minority. Even today, Muslims of India suffer at the hands of these fundamentalist Hindus.

    Muslims in India had suffered for one reason or another. After the freedom of Pakistan, Hindu Fundamentalists got one more reason to torment the Muslims of India.

    Let alone BJP, even the Congress (liberal Hindus) are not willing to accept Pakistan as SOVEREIGN COUNTRY.

    Did you guys know , MITTAL (one giant Steel Company) didn’t bid for Pakistan steel just because it was in Pakistan. The same group would invest in any other part of the world, but not in Pakistan.

    Dosn’t matter Pakistan existed or not, Muslims of India would still be treated as SECOND CLASS CITIZENS.

    Our grand parents (Muhajirs) didn’t migrate to Pakistan to give up Islam. Rather they migrated so that their offsprings could lead a life in accordance with Islam.

    Either we can keep following our own desires and hence term our Grand Parents as IDIOTS who migrated to Pakistan in the name of Islam or get back to our roots and flourish our connection to Quran and the Sunnah of our beloved Prophet Muhammad PBUH.


  10. ameerhamza on August 9th, 2008 @ 9:07 pm

    I agree that Mr. Jinnah was dictatorial in nature but that does not and should not take away from him the singular credit for building a nation where Muslims could practice their religion without fear. But he also very famously said these words.

    February 19, 1948: "But make no mistake, Pakistan is not a theocracy or anything like it. Islam demands from us the tolerance of other creeds and we welcome in closest association with us all those who of whatever creed are themselves willing and ready to play their part as true and loyal citizens of Pakistan."

    And few days later: "In any case, Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic state to be ruled by priests with a divine mission. We have many non-Muslims – Hindus, Christians and Parsis. They are all Pakistanis. They will enjoy the same rights and privileges as any other citizens and will play their rightful part in the affairs of Pakistan."

    Mr. Jinnah was right about what Pakistan should be. Unfortunately, vested interests of the powerful rightest Mullahs and other fundamentalists (whose number keep growing due to depressing quality of our politicians and religious heads) has caused non-Muslims to be treated as second class citizens. Even Muslims from lower backgrounds face the similar issues.

    Now, can we have more stories from 1947?


  11. balma on August 10th, 2008 @ 10:00 am

    Dear Dhakans,

    I don’t know what is so difficult to understand here. All centers of the great Indo-Muslim civilization were left behind in post-47 India (with the exception of Lahore and Dhaka). Muslim culture and tehzeeb of Lucknow and Dehli and even Hyderabad and Aligarh has been destroyed. And what was gained in Pakistan? Big houses? There are bigger houses in Dehli and more malls in Lucknow than in Karachi. And to the genieus who came up with Mittel comment: abay Dhakan, may be they were being politically sensitive, may be they thought that PK government will not approve the sale, may be they thought PK Steel mill can not be fixed. I am no Mittel, but I don’t think PK steel or PIA can be fixed.

    I also think that PK has given rise to the mentaity displayed by Taliban. In a more pluralistic society like India, it would have been difficult for Muslims to be so easily brainwashed by extremist. In Pakistan, extremists took advantage of the situation and started claiming that PK was made for the implementation of their agendas.

    And, as I said earlier, Jinnah was half educated (only matriculate – if that so), did not know much about Muslim history or Muslim civilization of India or anywhere else, belonged to a family that hadn’t converted to Islam that long ago, and led all Muslims of India to mass museebat. Thanks Quaid-e-Azam. Ehsaan hae tairaa.


  12. barristerakc on August 10th, 2008 @ 3:51 pm

    Ah the stories,

    Our family migrated from Fatehpur Sikri to Karachi in July,1947. They tell me that they boarded a ship from Bombay to Karachi. They also tell me that during there stay in Bombay, rioting started and it was the ‘Bohri’ community which helped the muslims who wanted to migrate to Pakistan a lot by making shelters, providing logistics and security to everyone.


  13. tzaidi on August 11th, 2008 @ 12:58 am

    My grandfather, Syed Nafees Haider Zaidi, was Leutenant in British Army, graduated from Aligarh University and Alumni of Sandhurst-UK. He was offered post of Major in Pakistan’s newly formed Army. My grandfather passed away in 1970 (that is before I came into this worl). But even today my grandmother’s memory is as clean as crystal. She can narrate each and every event held during partition.

    My grandfather, along with his commerdae brought many trains to Pakistan through Khokrapar border, since he and his friends were carrying arms and had connections in high places due to military affiliation and Aligarh Muslim Alumni. My grandfather confirmed that killing was at both sides. Hindus / Sikhs killed because of craeation of Pakistan and Muslim killed in revenge. And pleas, all of you, accept that it was one of the major migration / partition in mordern times and it was bound to happen.

    Few more corrections:
    @BALMA: I dont know you origin, but let me clarify that M. A. Jinnah was Bar at Law (from lincoln bar – London – UK) He was one of the youngest barristers in Bombay Court and guess what he was very expensive too. Further, whatever yoy say on the plight of Mazzar and Masjids, let me tell you no government in Inida will resolve issues related to Muslims, they will only encash their votes on muslim sentiments, be it roits of Bombay, riots of Gujrat or Ayoudiha mosque masaccre, nothing ever happend in Inidan court of law, all investigations / commission reports were never made public. Do you have any answer on this !!!!!

    @barristerakc : I fully agree with you – whatever you have mentioned above. You looked like a learned person :)


  14. balma on August 11th, 2008 @ 11:02 am

    Barristerakc: I didn’t know that people actually lived in Fatehpur Sikree.
    I thought that this town was built by Emperor Akbar but no one ever moved there to live, and that is why Akbar abandoned his plan to move his capital to Fatehpur Sikree.

    Tzaidi: I will stick to my claim that Jinnah didn’t have formal education beyond matricualtion (if that). Lincoln Inn was not a college or school or a university. It was a place to do internship if one wanted to pass bar exam. Also, he didn’t belong to the ashraf of old India. He had no regards to the joint Muslim-Hindu civilzation of India, got carried away with his Pakistan plan and got check-mated by fanatic Hindus.

    Indian court system: I am not here to defend all the wrongs that are with India. Still their court system hasn’t allowed any mandir to be built in Ayodyah (and this problem is a historic problem first started at the instigation of British during the rule of Vajid Ali Shah, basially to find excuse to annex Awadh (of which Lucknow was the capital).

    Narindara Bhai Modi is a criminal who messes arund with Indian court system just like our Zardari types do. I think Moodi had a major role in Ahmedabad riots few years ago. But, saalaa taqreerai’n bohut achhee kartaa hae. I heard him speak once, the bastard was quoting Iqbal and other Urdu poetry (most Pakistanis will find it hard to believe). I hope he will meet justice one day.

    There have been many Muslims in Indian justice system at the highest palces. I guess Fakhruddin Ali Ahmed was one of them. He later became the president of Inida.

    Look, things are not perfect for Muslims in India, but they are not as horrible as Muslims have done to themselves in Pakistan. Luckily, I noticed that most educated young people have moved on in India. On the surface at least, no one cares if one is Muslim or a Hindu. Reality is obviously different. But, we have to let bygones be bygones….unless your are RSS type….Muslims are busy educating their next generation and I believe Muslims have a much brighter future in India than their recent past.

    Muslim leaders (esp the Mullah types) are as fucked up in India as they are in PK. The plight of Jamia Masjid and Nizamuddin dargah needs to be taken care of. It was funny to read a notice by the dumb fuck imam of Jama Masjid posted at the masjid on how he has the fucking right to be the imam because Shahjahan invited his ancestor from Bukhara to be the imam!
    AGain, Muslims in India are getting educated like hell. If they can’t get admissions in govt universities, they are forming their own private universities…e.g. Integral Univ in Lucknow and Jahagirabad Inst of Techonoloy near Lucknow….and of course several shaandaar institutions started by Muslims in Hyderabad in last few decades. Due to high quota for the scheduled castes at the government run universities in colleges and universities in India, Muslims are at a disadvantage…but they are taking care of the problem.

    And, don’t you worry about my origin:-) I was born in Karachi.


  15. barristerakc on August 11th, 2008 @ 2:13 pm

    @ Tzaida: your grand-father was one of the thousands who served the nation, when the nation needed the ‘nationals’ – (dua-e-fatiha for him)

    @balma: According the records, during the time of partition Fatehpur Sikri housed more then 5879 people (37% of them Muslims; 1945 Population Census). Muslims, of course were the bully’s ; ruling the roost!!!

    Communal tensions did increase during early 1947, where lot of Sikhs moved into interior UP side to kill Muslims.

    In fact a couple of my grand-father cousins who studied in Aligarh were poised in Delhi by a Hindu hotelier in February, 1947 apart from other instances in Mid/South India. All this contributed to partition and forced MAJ to call for ‘direct action’ and eventually to separate.

    A million dollar question is: did we ‘the migrant(s)’ prospered? The fact of the matter is: that the people who migrated from India (especially from Bihar / UP / MP / AP ) were either upper middle class educated ones or the rich ones – unfortunately, the poor(s) stayed behind because of monetary and logistical problems / hurdles. I personally, think that MAJ too never wanted Pakistan (check out his properties left behind in India) and that Pakistan, ‘happened’.

    People like us – who(s) forefathers migrated eventually lost because no-matter how much we want too be ; the son of soil(s) would always treat us like: aliens.
    Regards,
    Barrister Ali K.Chishti


  16. barristerakc on August 11th, 2008 @ 2:20 pm

    @balma, another thing, Akber moved back the capital from Fatehpur to Delhi because of major logistical problem ; one of the major reasons was the unavailibility of water.


  17. tzaidi on August 11th, 2008 @ 8:27 pm

    @ barristerakc : thanks for the comments.

    @ balma : In my opinion, one does not need to be born in Pakistan to be a Pakistani. Pakistaniat is vision / ideology / dream shared by many people, who call themselves Pakistani. Its not necessary that they have to be citizens of Pakistan. If you have travelled to India & Bangladesh you will still find a sizeable population (not necessary muslims) who support Pakistan. Well, I work and stay in Dubai for last 6 years and most of my colleagues are from India, most of them still support idea of Pakistan (though with some reservations). Now, coming to the point, it doesn’t matter what you think of MAJ’s educational / professional qualification, but it will remain the fact that MAJ was asked to take the membership of Lincoln Inn and was the youngest Indian to have that honour. I would advise you to check MAJ profile on Wikipedia, maybe it will clear the doubts you have in your mind. MAJ never supported the idea of separate muslim state till the time he was so disheartened by the Indian Muslims’ behavior towards him that he went back to London and returned in 1934 after years. I would advise you to check the facts before commenting on a public figure on a public blog…… we all have responsibilities towards the society, don’t we?


  18. barristerakc on August 12th, 2008 @ 12:54 pm

    @tzaida Sahib,

    Unfortunately the idea, ideology and the fortitude of Pakistan & ‘Pakistaniat’, the idea of Pakistan is: D-E-A-D! It died the day when MAJ gave his infamous speech at Dhaka University causing language riots; it died when Ayub systematically sacked ‘Urdu Speaking’ civil servants; it died when Bangladesh parted, it died when Bhutto’s Fascist ideas targeted us (Urdu/Gujrati Speakers); it died when Bihari(s) were refused entry into Pakistan; etc, etc…

    There(s) no Pakistan, unfortunately – we better need to understand this or in the name of Pakistaniat which is actually/unfortunately Punjabiat, Pashtooniat – they will bury us.

    It’s sad but a bitter reality!!!
    Regards,
    Barrister Ali K.Chishti


  19. tzaidi on August 12th, 2008 @ 10:29 pm

    True, very true Barrister Ali K.Chishti, I fully agree with the first paragraph of your response. May be accepting Pakistan which was already divided at the time of 1947 partition, was the biggest mistake muslims made at that time. It was bound to happen sooner or later, and it happened with in 25 years of independence. It was natural what happened since both the lands were strategically & geographically severed at the inception.

    As far as your comments on Punjabiat and Pashtooniat is concerned, am least bothered about these kind of sentiments. The people who think on ethnic lines not on nationalist lines will keep whining like this but this wont effect the spirit of Pakistan.

    Let me share a personal experience with you. I used to think on same lines as yours, almost started believing in my Urdu Speaking heritage and started hating Punjabiat around in my city. But then came the great Earthquake, I was in Karachi at that time and started doing my bit in relief work. I was deeply influenced the way teenagers of Karachi gathered at PAF museum and started working like a machine in a very organized way, that kind of work and spirit, Karachi has never seen before. That one day changed my point of view on Pakistan or may I call it ‘PAKISTANIAT’. Call me crazy, call me day dreamer, but I believe that was one day, when all of the youth of Karachi, no matter which ethnic background they share, became one, aiming at one mission working like a machine, showing the true spirit of Pakistan.

    Believe me or not, PAKISTANIAT is there and whole lot of people share it.


  20. balma on August 13th, 2008 @ 12:08 am

    Tzaidi bachay, voh insaaniyat thee, not necesarily Paksitaniat.
    Pakistaniat was a suspicious concept the day Jinnah said idhar hum, oodhar toom! That is, after getting India divided in the name of religion, he told Muslims in minority province to stay over there in India and not to tbother coming to Pakistan. Bhutto lafangay nay tou yeh bohut baa’d may kahaa thaa ;-)

    anyway, as I said, bygones by bygones….and everyone should live in harmony in Pakistan, and Pakistan and India should be firends not enemy.

    Also, barristerakc, I found it amazing, and I never knew this before, that people actually lived in Fatehpur sikri. Amazing.


  21. ameerhamza on August 13th, 2008 @ 9:25 am

    tzaidi says:

    ‘Let me share a personal experience with you. I used to think on same lines as yours, almost started believing in my Urdu Speaking heritage and started hating Punjabiat around in my city. But then came the great Earthquake, I was in Karachi at that time and started doing my bit in relief work. I was deeply influenced the way teenagers of Karachi gathered at PAF museum and started working like a machine in a very organized way, that kind of work and spirit, Karachi has never seen before. That one day changed my point of view on Pakistan or may I call it ‘PAKISTANIAT’. Call me crazy, call me day dreamer, but I believe that was one day, when all of the youth of Karachi, no matter which ethnic background they share, became one, aiming at one mission working like a machine, showing the true spirit of Pakistan.’

    I agree. I saw that happen and am really influenced myself by that show of solidarity.



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