A Happy Independence Day on the streets of Karachi

Midnight tonight marks the start of the celebrations for the 61st Independence Day for Pakistan. As customary to our celebrations the city resonates with fireworks, erratic gunfire, silencer-less bikes, screeching tires and blaring music quite literally people need an excuse to have a good time. With the gloomy political situation, an economic disaster and crushing security issues people still continue to find an opportunity to let themselves loose, as they say life must go on similarly in Karachi life does go on.

When on a casual drive around town tonight, everything else was exactly the same EXCEPT for one minor change. There were literally NO MQM flags dominating the scene, in contrast to yesteryears where it was customary to see the Pakistani flag being dwarfed in size & number replaced with the high flying MQM – Red, Green and White it was for tonight, not the case and we were [I was for sure] replaced with the pride of seeing one nation standing united under one flag.

Evoking patriotism is not difficult but it takes time for the patriotic spirit to sink into the hearts of the people, and if more such patriotic activities are conducted on a regular basis we will most definitely rise and stand proud. It requires the leadership to Think & Preach Pakistan and the people will definitely follow suit.

Its unfortunate that in Karachi for the past 20 odd years MQM has been in search for creating a separate identity [it still is] but one oft has to question if that goal supersedes the integrity and existence of Pakistan [I hope not]. The latest initiative by the ever energetic Mustafa Kamal to evoke patriotism by launching I Own Karachi campaign must be seen as a positive step and I truly believe if more such Pakistan specific events are held on a regular basis then we are definitely in for a positive change.

Knock on Wood, Pakistan Zindabad

42 Comments so far

  1. obiwankenobe on August 14th, 2008 @ 7:21 am

    I don’t vote MQM Teeth Maestro but I still want Karachi to be separated from Pakistan just as Hong Kong is from China …

    The Pakistan has been sucking Karachi for too long, we should stop giving taxes to Pakistan to build its motor ways …

    And if we ever get president or PM from PML(N) then we should declare independence on same day.

  2. mastqalandar on August 14th, 2008 @ 7:58 am

    I was just browsing Jang and found that Govt of Sindh is spending TAX payers money as if it was property of Peoples Party. I don’t mind the pictures of Current CM or other Ministers. But what is Zardari doing on those ads and what is Bilawal doing on these ads.

    There would have been a huge cry, if Karachi Municipal Corporation had posted ads with pictures of Altaf Hussain.


    I am a Karachite and used to support MQM and used to think along similar lines, but no more. I thank Allah that I don’t support the thugs any more. Thugs are thugs whether they are Panjabi or Muhajir or Baluchi. The grass always looks greener on the other side.

    We, Karachites, do not want Karachi to become a Brothel for the rich just like Puerto Rico.

    Karachi is part of Pakistan, just like any other part of Pakistan

    Whoever doesn’t like Pakistan, should move their asses out

    Long live Karachi and LONG LIVE PAKISTAN

    May Allah save Pakistan and may Allah guide all the Pakistanis, Ameen

  3. obiwankenobe on August 14th, 2008 @ 8:32 am

    I do not support MQM not any one else. I believe in prosperity of my city and just care for the money the city earns. I want Karachi tax money to stay in Karachi. The stupid Punjab wants to believe us that we are part of this country and at the same time, it keep sucking our money. No more …

  4. obiwankenobe on August 14th, 2008 @ 8:54 am

    If some one from Baluchistan raises his voice then he is terrorist, if some one from karachi raises his voice then he is MQM thug and if some one from Punjab raises his voice then he is concerned Pakistani, you know these tricks are now getting old, just in few years, you would see that what years of injustice to other provinces would bring to Punjab.

  5. ucilite on August 14th, 2008 @ 9:00 am

    @obiwankenobe: You are sick a person. Even on the day of independence you can’t seem to stop spreading your hatred against other Pakistanis.

    Karachi is the HEART of Pakistan and insha Allah will always remain that way. The people of Karachi are the most educated of all Pakistanis and they are not going to listen to an idiot like you.

    Pakistan Zindabad!

  6. Adnan Siddiqi (adnansiddiqi) on August 14th, 2008 @ 9:28 am

    I would prefer to be a "slave" of others in "United" Pakistan than leading life in a separate land ruled by filthy militants of MQM. MQM has not come out of diapers and needs decades to get mature(could be done past if Altaf is eliminated). See how they showed back to their feeder Mush and boycotted Sind Assembly session about impeachment rather opposing it. Akhir "Mohajir" pana dekha dia na.

  7. obiwankenobe on August 14th, 2008 @ 9:40 am

    I am not spreading any hate. I am just asking for the right of my city for my people and what could be the better day than today to do that. Every body knows me on KMB for too long that I am a passionate Pakistani but I am not a stupid person to lose every thing in the name of patriotism. Karachi pays around 68% of Pakistan taxes and how much do we get in return? I say give us at least 33% of that tax money and Karachi would be all fine. Altaf Hussain has gone crazy and is not demanding Karachi right for the political correctness because he knows then Punjab would start spreading news that Muhajirs are "ghaddar" . Why do we care for that? Just give us our goddamn money and then Punjab can fuck itself.

    Our money for our city, Am I asking too much ?

  8. Chef Strawbary (strawbary) on August 14th, 2008 @ 10:05 am

    Its not anyone else’s fault… we the Karachhites don’t know how to ask for our haq…why blame others..
    Differences Apart…Azadi Mubarak! :)

  9. Adnan Siddiqi (adnansiddiqi) on August 14th, 2008 @ 11:20 am

    Our money for our city, Am I asking too much ?

    What I see that our money has been sucked more by MQM politicians in last 8 years. visit North Nazimabad and you would find majority of illegal property owned by MQM’s politicians. I alsohave issues with Punjab but I don’t find any reason to curse them when so called Mohajirs screwed us as well. As a shayer said:

    Huway Tum Dost Jis key
    Dushman uska Asmaan kio ho

    Thieves came inside because we allowed them to get into our house. We couldn’t save our home so we should not whine that thieves broke our security.

  10. MB (kar_munib) on August 14th, 2008 @ 12:23 pm

    LETS have 160 million of pakistan, why only KHI
    how is that?


    who told you there were no BHAI LOG flags?

  11. d0ct0r on August 14th, 2008 @ 3:39 pm

    After MQM ditched/dissociated/distanced it self from troubled dictator(by not voting against the resolution of his impeachment
    despite licking his boots all these years),the business community of karachi too is distancing it self from the dictator whose boat is all set to sink,its the same business community which was earlier projected to have invited Musharraf twice during the last month to dinners in which Musharraf and his so called mates from MQM tried to launch a smear campaign against the current government.The fact was that business community never intended to invite Mush,it was all organized,planned and orchestrated by his goons from MQM and presidential camp,obviously when brutal terrorists like MQM invite you to an event then you have no option but to attend,you simply can’t refuse otherwise you’d be tagged as anti MQM and a news report about you of being ‘gunned down by unknown assailants‘ might appear in next day’s newspaper.

    Businessmen express neutrality in politics

    and those who have regrets about creation of Pakistan or want to breakup karachi as a separate nation better go back to india like grand terrorist Altaf has envisioned and lick their boots .

    Altaf Hussain calls creation of Pakistan the greatest blunder of all times.

  12. d0ct0r on August 14th, 2008 @ 6:26 pm

    I have no regrets that my forefathers choose to migrate to pakistan at the time of creation of pakistan,while many Muslims did choose to stay back in India, your forefathers too decided to migrate to Pakistan of their own free will,now after 61 years if you regret the decision made by your forefathers and are having second thoughts about it then instead of dreaming about breaking up and dividing the land your forefather migrated to 61 years ago, you are most welcome to go back to India,provided they choose to accept you back..(coz worth of traitors like Altaf in the eyes of Indians is nothing more then a used tissue paper,they use Altaf against Pakistan but in their eyes he is nothing more then a friggin` traitor )

  13. sceptic on August 14th, 2008 @ 7:04 pm

    I completely agree with the commentators that Karachi would have been a Hong Kong or Paris had there not been the Punjab "sucking us dry". The root of all ills plaguing the city of lights — I am using the term extremely loosely — can be traced to the Punjab and Punjabis.

    Karachi suffers from loadshedding because all the power is sucked up by the 65 percent of the country’s population living upstream. There is poverty in Karachi because all the money is spend on the upkeep of rich Punjabis. Karachi is a dry desert because all trees get planted in and around Lahore and the monsoon clouds are stopped by the Chief Minister of Punjab from moving down from DG Khan. There is pollution in Karachi because all shit from the Punjabi is dumped there. You name it.

    Although it has been 61 years that Pakistan has been made, we have had it enough. Let us all return to the “prosperity and wealth” left behind across the Radcliff Line by our grandparents.

    Have we packed the bags yet?

    Phew, …what a relief. Karachi can be normal and wonderful again with whiners gone.

  14. d0ct0r on August 15th, 2008 @ 12:44 am

    Karachi didn’t became Hong Kong or Paris because Karachi was hit by curse of Altaf Hussain ( MQM ) . Industries closed down,investors ran away,local business man shifted to punjab,major corporation and institutions either packed up altogether or shifted their head office and major operation to punjab,they all didn’t do this out of love for punjab or punjabies,they all did it because Altaf and his terrorist were on a rampage here,butchering people like crazy and making the life of common Karachiite miserable.

    let me quote from an an article i was reading about karachi airport

    "Karachi was once a much busier airport. Between the 1960s and 1980s(the period in which Karachi was’nt hit by curse of Altaf and MQM ) it was an online station of several major airlines of the world including British Airways, Interflug, Tarom, Alitalia, JAT Yugoslavia Airlines, Aeroflot, Philippine Airlines, Nigeria Airways, Ethiopian Airlines, Egypt Air, East African Airways, Kenya Airways, Air France, Qantas, KLM Royal Dutch Airlines, Pan Am, MEA, Swissair, SAS, Lufthansa, and Kuwait Airways. However, due to the emergence of Dubai’s airport on the World map, increased usage of longer haul aircraft and the poor political climate of Karachi during 1990s, several airlines discontinued their service to the airport."

  15. obiwankenobe on August 15th, 2008 @ 12:58 am

    Doctor, I wonder after all these businesses have moved to Punjab, how come Karachi is still contributing 68% of taxes.

    Get an iLife and migrate to Punjab please.

  16. calyps on August 15th, 2008 @ 1:27 am

    This shows that even on 14th August, Pakistanis are busy fighting against each other!!!

    Pakistani bano ..Karachi ya lahore walai nahe ..

  17. Faisal.K (faisalk) on August 15th, 2008 @ 1:45 am

    Happy Independence day all of you!!

  18. d0ct0r on August 15th, 2008 @ 2:45 am

    obiwankenobe @ July 31st, 2008 6:34 am

    How come we can contribute 65% of taxes if we

    where do u keep coming up with these figures? seriously i would like to see the breakup of these taxes that you claim Karachiites are paying.(Karachi being largest pakistani city is obviously paying more but i honestly would like to see those figures)

    yea i should migrate to Punjab while back here you and altaf declare independence? no way thats not happening.. am Karachiite and am not going anywhere..

    on the other hand like Altaf and rest of his terrorists team maybe you should..?


  19. karachi4eva on August 15th, 2008 @ 3:00 am

    since everyone giving there opinions heres mine….
    -MQM ROCkS!!!!
    -useless qabailey pathan akhrots and jahil gawar paindu punjabis need to get the **** outta my city!!
    -MQM always stand up for karachi’s right!
    -ppl like "doctor" and "adnan siddiqui" need to get a mental check up!
    -every true karachite supports MQM!
    -every mahajir supports MQM!
    -karachis money should stay in karachi!
    -no karachi no pakistan!
    -karachi generates about 70% of GDP but punjab and punjabi politicans keep most of it in their pockets!
    -MQM never wanted to seperate karachi from pakistan!
    posting in bold is sooo uncool!
    -most of the authors on KMB have MQM-phobia!
    thats all for now i guess…..
    happy independence day!!!

  20. tzaidi on August 15th, 2008 @ 3:35 am

    Jash – e – Azadi mubarak

  21. obiwankenobe on August 15th, 2008 @ 4:52 am

    Doctor, I have never voted MQM in my life and I hate Altaf Hussain as much as you do. I hate all their crimes but I love Karachi. I simply want big share of Karachi money to spend on Karachi.Please research your self and you would find many references that Karachi contributes 68% of taxes even Mustafa Kamal said that when Mush was attending businessmen meeting in Karachi last month. If you have been to Lahore or Isloo then you would find that Karachi was never treated fairly. What ever construction we have seen recently is due to the city govt of Naimatullah and Mustafa Kamal.

    I would not mind if aliens come and rule Karachi as long as they take care of city and spend money on it. Not every one who raises his voice is MQM thug or terrorist and that’s what Punjab has been doing for ever. If I raise a voice for Karachi then I am MQM terrorist and "ghaddar" and want to break away from Pakistan. They want us to feel guilty for raising our voice, please understand the game.

    Just answer me one thing, don’t you agree Karachi needs more funds for its infra structure. Don’t tell that MQM would eat that money, it’s lame excuse. Don’t you agree Mustafa Kamal and present city govt has spent large amount of money on Karachi recently. I accept there would be corruption because we do not have check system but then it’s a problem of whole country and it’s not specific to Karachi. Shahbaz Sharif has been saying that he would be send cases of Punjab Nazims corruption to courts. Please love this city and own this city and do not make any one feel that he is terrorist when he raises his voice for city.

  22. mastqalandar on August 15th, 2008 @ 6:19 am


    Yes, even if karachi pays most of the revenue doesn’t mean that it should be a seperate entity.

    Then according to your Logic, Keemari will be one seperate country and so will be SITE and so will be HUB Chokee and so will be Korangi and Landhi and because FB Area and Gulshan-e-Iqbal are the lowest revenue generating, these areas are sucking on Keemari and SITE. Withtout GULSHAN, FB Area and Orangi Karachi (or should I say KEEMARI, SITE and HUB CHOKEEE) would be so prosperous.

    Long live Karachi,
    Long live Hyderabad,
    Long live Sukkur, jacobabad, Larkana,
    Long LIve Lahore, Faisalabad, Gujranwala, Sialkot, Islamabad
    Long Live Peshawar, Quetta, Gwadar

    or in short….

  23. obiwankenobe on August 15th, 2008 @ 6:25 am

    Mast Qalander, where do people live who work in SITE and Keemari ? can you please answer that? They live all over in Karachi so I am sure that they would not mind as well as money stays in Karachi but if you take the big chunk in Punjab then yes we have an issue. We don’t want to break away from Pakistan but we need our fair share but if we don’t get then you never know what would happen tomorrow, you can’t fool all the people all the time.

  24. barristerakc on August 15th, 2008 @ 9:26 am

    Differences apart, MQM has actually acted as a ‘buffer’ for people like us who(s) forefathers migrated and if we like it or not; if MQM would not be there the Sindhi(s) & Punjabi(s) would have slit our throats (and by slitting our throats I mean they would have institutionally and economically murdered us).

    Yes, MQM has major problems but at least they delivered unlike PPP or PML (N) – right or wrong.

    MQM is the identity of majority of Urdu Speakers as opposed to ANP which represents Pashtoons; PML(N) agree or not represents Punjabis; PPP which definitely represents Sindhis.

    Karachi – independent or not? I think MAJ(s) Pakistan broke away long time ago and there should be no sympathy for this federation. Karachi should get independent, how ever there are practical hurdles in doing so – guess, we should all wait for the right time.

    Barrister Ali K.Chishti

  25. d0ct0r on August 15th, 2008 @ 8:12 pm

    let me quote what you’ve been saying during last few days..

    obiwankenobe July 30th, 2008 11:44 pm :
    Give Baluchistan to Iran, NWFP to Afghanistan, make Sindh as free state and call Punjab as Pakistan. I just wish that I could see that in next 5-10 years.

    then you said

    obiwankenobe August 1st, 2008 4:28 am :
    Regarding seaport in Karachi, that is our resource and we are maximizing it to earn money for us not for Punjab’s motor ways. If you don’t want to use our port then better use Kolkata

    then you said

    obiwankenobe August 14th, 2008 7:21 am:
    The Pakistan has been sucking Karachi for too long, we should stop giving taxes to Pakistan to build its motor ways …
    And if we ever get president or PM from PML(N) then we should declare independence on same day.

    now you’re saying

    obiwankenobe August 15th, 2008 6:25 am:
    We don’t want to break away from Pakistan

    you sound so much like Mush when he had saidI never said that Pakistani women do get themselves raped to get canadian nationality only to be confronted with the recording of what he had said earlier..
    or like MQM which keeps on claiming that on 12 may its supporter were only busy in a peaceful rally at M A Jinnah Road,only to be confronted with video footage of its armed footsoldiers holed up on COD bridge Shara-e-faisal firing mercilessly on the crowd below..

  26. d0ct0r on August 15th, 2008 @ 8:17 pm

    now like mustqalander said if your logic is applied then Kemari’s town Nazim would say that Kemari port is my resource,i’ll be collecting import/export custom duties taxes,Qasim port’s area nazim would say the same thing,they would say hell with the rest of karachi the ports are our resource we won’t be sharing money with other towns.
    Affluent areas of karachi like Defence,Clifton,North Nazimabad etc would say that we pay high property tax,we got more cars and pay high motor vehicle/road tax so all the money should be spent here,our roads should be built and less affluent areas like north Karachi,newkarachi shouldn’t be given a single penny.if your logic is applied then guys in sui dera bugti would say gas is our resource,hell with rest of Pakistan,we are not sharing anything,farmer in punjab would say hell with rest of Pakistan all farm crop is my resource am not sharing with others,guy in NWFP would say water is my resource(as ice melts there) am building a dam there hell with rest of pakistan am not giving them a single drop of water.

    i hope you understand now that this is not how things work,not the way to run a country, all parts of country play their part and work collectively and don’t whine about others.. i know like me you want a better and prosperous Karachi but getting emotional or taking extreme measures won’t be helpful,at least next time think before you jot down something

  27. d0ct0r on August 15th, 2008 @ 8:34 pm

    @obiwankenobe August 15th, 2008 4:52 am
    If you have been to Lahore or Isloo then you would find that Karachi was never treated fairly.

    Indeed i have been to lahore and islamabad and have seen development,roads and infrastructure there and i always wish that Karachi deserve all that and even more then that too but problem is that no matter which party is in power there it works for the people and the other party which is in opposition don’t create major hurdles or resort to extreme and radical terror activities to weaken and the govt.

    here the case is that "its for the sake of peace in Karachi that majority party invites MQM to join the coalition government despite having numbers to rule without them" coz they know as long as MQM is in coalition governments things would remain calm,minute MQM is out of any coalition they resort to violence and start cutting the roots of Karachi.So just to remain in power MQM does not mind ruining and destroying Karachi and making the lives of Karachiite miserable.

  28. obiwankenobe on August 16th, 2008 @ 4:54 am

    Doctor, once again I am telling you I don’t want break away from Pakistan as long as we get our fair share but if you keep pushing us against the wall then any thing is possible.

    Why do MMQ needs invitation to be in govt. We got 9% of all votes in last election and how come the most educated people and the city which pays 68% of taxes has no representation in government ? Nawaz "Punjabi" Ganja could not win a single seat from Sindh. You have to accept that in Pakistan voting is based on ethnics system so we need to fight for our rights. If Karachi were independent, imagine the rulers who got our votes would be ruling us instead of Nawaz or any Punjabi who could not win a single seat on their own in whole sindh making policies about Karachi.

    Just be rational please and don’t think I am a thug or terrorist. I just want fair share for my city.

  29. anjaanay on August 16th, 2008 @ 8:40 am

    We r the ones who are most educated people in whole pakistan

    we r giving the revenue

    we r the backbone of this country we have 9% share in elections.

    how anyone can ignore us ….

    if u ignore us then anything can be posible

  30. Adnan Siddiqi (adnansiddiqi) on August 16th, 2008 @ 4:47 pm

    We got 9% of all votes in last election and how come the most educated people and the city which pays 68% of taxes has no representation in government ?

    you are such an idiot. Because MQM preferred to lick butt of the dictator because He had been feeding him money for 8 years. MQM didn’t know that this time they would not get any friggin thing in govt. First they refused later they acted childish and begged Zardari to give seats in govt. MQM has no identity that’s the truth. There is no such thing anymore that MQM means Karachi. Things re changed. if you can’t accept it then burry your face in sand so that you can’t face the heat

  31. tzaidi on August 16th, 2008 @ 10:35 pm

    sou batoon ki ek baat!!

    give Karachi & Karachites the respective they deserve …… or else ….. anything will happen.

  32. Adnan Siddiqi (adnansiddiqi) on August 16th, 2008 @ 11:43 pm

    punjabis have so many parties so Pushtoons and Pathans. Why is it considered that only MQM could be party for Urdu speaking people while MQM itself denies now that they represent Mohajirs only? truth is if someone else tries to create a urdu speaking party in Karachi, he will be killed next day. This is something not found in Punjabis or other nations.

  33. d0ct0r on August 17th, 2008 @ 1:46 am

    Why do MMQ needs invitation to be in govt. We got 9% of all votes in last election.
    Just be rational please and don’t think I am a thug or terrorist.

    Thats what am saying if you read what i said earlier,MQM didn’t needed any invitation at all from current coalition government,it sided with the dictator and licked his boots for the last 8 years,cursed,maligned and persecuted those in opposition(PPP) and was no way involved in struggle against the dictator, now after elections when MQM saw that the whole scene changed it ditched the dictator and jumped ship.. Initially they did tried to blackmail PPP and ‘demaned’ key ministeries but as PPP clearly told them that PPP didn’t needed MQM to form govt here they agreed to what ever was being offered(after all they were only interested in ministries),PPP only engaged them coz they know that MQM would mess up karachi and resort to violence,its like an aggressive bandit who holds your son hostage and put a gun to his head and asks for money,threatening you that if you fail to comply then he’ll blow your son’s head.
    Even a party with 49 % votes could sit in opposition in a dignified manner rather then licking ruling government’s boots for bunch of ministries(Bathakhori (extortion) at the ministerial level is all MQM is interested in.)

    Plus am i not tagging you a thug or terrorist,you do hate Altaf,but your MQMized(if there can be talibanized then its antonym would be MQMized) views do match those of absconding Grand terrorist Altaf bai of Edgware Street.Karachi needs to be treated like a international megacity and needs funds more then Lahore and Islamabad combined but we need to get our acts together as well and flush out these terrorists who are eating us up from inside without doing that even billions and trillions of rupees won’t be able to help karachi prosper.

  34. d0ct0r on August 17th, 2008 @ 2:11 am

    "We r the ones who are most educated people in whole pakistan "

    People like Altaf and his foot soldiers who dance outside 90 are not most educated people in pakistan ,there is a difference between karachiites and MQM,also between Muhajirs and MQM

    MQM(A) is not synonymous with either Karachiite or all of Muhajir population.

  35. d0ct0r on August 17th, 2008 @ 3:48 am

    "we r the backbone of this country we have 9% share in elections."

    MQM got 7.4 % votes,how it got those votes is a seprate debate but its 7.4% not 9%

  36. Adnan Siddiqi (adnansiddiqi) on August 17th, 2008 @ 10:04 am

    MQMized, its a cool term for MQM followers!

  37. d0ct0r on August 17th, 2008 @ 4:50 pm

    @anjaanay you just made me do some maths. according to stats from election commission of pakistan

    Only 10.9% of all eligible voters in Karachi voted for MQM

    Now that figure is quite loud and clear, MQM represents only 10.9% of all Karachiites,while 89.1% of karachiites have nothing to do with MQM and its violent savagery

  38. barristerakc on August 17th, 2008 @ 5:57 pm

    @Adnan Siddique Sahib,

    We are a minority which can-not afford to be divided – that would be destructive. Why need another political identity when MQM is there (for the good and the bad) already.

    @Doctor Sahib,

    Let’s put aside mathematics for the moment and check out the perception –MQM is the single largest party in MQM & Urban Sindh apart from the second largest political entity of Sindh; apart from the fourth largest political party in Pakistan. Its huge and most organized – like it or not!

  39. d0ct0r on August 17th, 2008 @ 8:31 pm

    "check out the perception"

    perceptions can often be deceptive..

    BNP(A) is the among top 10 list and is 8th largest political party in Pakistan(sounds big?) well frankly i don’t even know its main leader’s name,just being X largest political party is meaningless,what really matters is the majority of Karachiite have nothing to do with MQM and its violent politics

  40. barristerakc on August 17th, 2008 @ 10:08 pm

    but MQM – everyone knows and acknowledge except quacks like you!

  41. d0ct0r on August 17th, 2008 @ 11:26 pm

    Yea every one knows and acknowledges it as a belligerent party which is holding karachi hostage

  42. tzaidi on August 18th, 2008 @ 10:25 pm

    Now Musharaf has resigned and MQM is left alone in Centre. I wonder what will happen to development projects in Karachi.

    The discremination will be faced by all karachites, irrespective of the fact whether they are ‘MQMized" or not.

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