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		<title>By: khaled90</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Taliban in Pakistan can’t be called even humans.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taliban in Pakistan can’t be called even humans.</p>
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		<title>By: khaled90</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talibanization started by Altaf and Co is getting worst day by day. Yesterday it was not a good day in most of areas in Karachi due to clash between pathans(MQM’s talibans) and MQM. Earlier</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talibanization started by Altaf and Co is getting worst day by day. Yesterday it was not a good day in most of areas in Karachi due to clash between pathans(MQM’s talibans) and MQM. Earlier</p>
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		<title>By: barristerakc</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kabirdas as for your questions, 

I)	I use Pisser-e-Zameen for the rest of the Pakistan (excluding Mohajirs)….

II)	I am grateful  to Punjabis for there outstanding work for Urdu as compared to Sindhis who although started communicating in Urdu but still consider Urdu as a threat

III)	Then, how could I forget the criminal silence of Punjabis over the Serb style genocide cum ethnic cleansing of Mohajirs in nineties? No-One in Punjab &amp; NWFP spoke up against the extra-judicial killings of Mohajirs and that criminal silence is the cause of my anger. I know there are people in Punjab and NWFP who glorify the genocide against Mohajirs – it was called, “Operation Clean Up” as if we were “rats, insects, shit” ….

Interestingly, I met folks like Mannu Bhai, Hasan Nisar &amp; Nazir Naji over years – people from Punjab who are if not identical but closer to be ideologically and I had always question as to why they kept silent over the genocide? They are guilty (good people) but I know other’s in great majority who want another genocide to take place of Mohajirs and that’s sad…..I am in a process of writing a book named, “the 5th Identity” (registered) for this reason alone…

I am not a fascist nor am I a racist; I have friends who are from Punjab, NWFP, Sind and Balochistan whom I could die for and I mean it. 

But you see, I am oppressed, suppressed, dishonored, desecrated, sullied and tainted systematically with official patronage – where should I go? They call me Panahguzeer, Hindustora, Mutarwa… I am neither! I am just an ordinary Mohajir…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kabirdas as for your questions, </p>
<p>I)	I use Pisser-e-Zameen for the rest of the Pakistan (excluding Mohajirs)….</p>
<p>II)	I am grateful  to Punjabis for there outstanding work for Urdu as compared to Sindhis who although started communicating in Urdu but still consider Urdu as a threat</p>
<p>III)	Then, how could I forget the criminal silence of Punjabis over the Serb style genocide cum ethnic cleansing of Mohajirs in nineties? No-One in Punjab &amp; NWFP spoke up against the extra-judicial killings of Mohajirs and that criminal silence is the cause of my anger. I know there are people in Punjab and NWFP who glorify the genocide against Mohajirs – it was called, “Operation Clean Up” as if we were “rats, insects, shit” ….</p>
<p>Interestingly, I met folks like Mannu Bhai, Hasan Nisar &amp; Nazir Naji over years – people from Punjab who are if not identical but closer to be ideologically and I had always question as to why they kept silent over the genocide? They are guilty (good people) but I know other’s in great majority who want another genocide to take place of Mohajirs and that’s sad…..I am in a process of writing a book named, “the 5th Identity” (registered) for this reason alone…</p>
<p>I am not a fascist nor am I a racist; I have friends who are from Punjab, NWFP, Sind and Balochistan whom I could die for and I mean it. </p>
<p>But you see, I am oppressed, suppressed, dishonored, desecrated, sullied and tainted systematically with official patronage – where should I go? They call me Panahguzeer, Hindustora, Mutarwa… I am neither! I am just an ordinary Mohajir…</p>
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		<title>By: barristerakc</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Firaq Gorakhpuri was a darwaish and a great poet. He joined the prestigious Provincial Civil Service (PCS) back in UP; resigned and then moved to Allahabad where he lectured at English Department of University of Allahabad …. 

Some years back  I did a little research in Coventry, (UK) on the effect of the English language on other major languages; I asked Germans, Spanish, Italians, Russians, and Polish, whether they use English words in their respective languages when they speak, the answer was definitely NO. When I asked French, I was laughed at. Although, the “posh” English who hate dudly accent still prefer to speak in French just to show-off…while I show off with my Urdu Poetry skills and my pure Urdu accent – Yes, I am proud of it ….although I must admit it has suffered a lot thanks to the junk they speak now adays….kitna bachay ….!!!

Urdu`s problem is confounded by the fact that a very small percentage of people can claim it as their mother tongue and although, it’s great that most of the Pisser-e-Zameen are speaking in Urdu (especially the middle classes) what saddens me is the treatment of Urdu by Sindhis ….For what I see now Bollywood has taken over the task for permoting Urdu then anyone else in India (although there’s an argument that it’s Hindi….to me it’s Hindustani…)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firaq Gorakhpuri was a darwaish and a great poet. He joined the prestigious Provincial Civil Service (PCS) back in UP; resigned and then moved to Allahabad where he lectured at English Department of University of Allahabad …. </p>
<p>Some years back  I did a little research in Coventry, (UK) on the effect of the English language on other major languages; I asked Germans, Spanish, Italians, Russians, and Polish, whether they use English words in their respective languages when they speak, the answer was definitely NO. When I asked French, I was laughed at. Although, the “posh” English who hate dudly accent still prefer to speak in French just to show-off…while I show off with my Urdu Poetry skills and my pure Urdu accent – Yes, I am proud of it ….although I must admit it has suffered a lot thanks to the junk they speak now adays….kitna bachay ….!!!</p>
<p>Urdu`s problem is confounded by the fact that a very small percentage of people can claim it as their mother tongue and although, it’s great that most of the Pisser-e-Zameen are speaking in Urdu (especially the middle classes) what saddens me is the treatment of Urdu by Sindhis ….For what I see now Bollywood has taken over the task for permoting Urdu then anyone else in India (although there’s an argument that it’s Hindi….to me it’s Hindustani…)</p>
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		<title>By: balma</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gorakhpur is far east UP, near Bihar.

Therefore Firaq Gorakhpuri was not from Allahabad, I guess.

Like Kabirdas, I also agree that desis are the least self respeecting people on the face of this earth. Chinese speak chinese at home, Arabs speak Arabic at home, but fucking desis speak tooTi-phooTi English at home. I don&#039;t know if people remember my comments in July after trip to Inida. I refused to speak English at hotels in Dehli. Kar lo jo karna hae. Aik laRkee muj say baad may bolnay lagee, sir ooper valay kehtay hai&#039;n...and actually I felt little bad for getting angry at her for speaking in English when she knew I spoke Urdu (hindi)...baichaaree ko rozee kaamaanee hae.
Hamara PK/India kaa culture kharaab ho gayaa hae.


Also, KabirDaas Sahib, you after all may be more senior than me. ab tou aap mujhay pre-partition material lagnay lagay hai&#039;n!

btw, I speak good urdu so this young girl in PK asked me, oh, aap india may paida huay thay?...In other words, if you speak normal language, babes now think you are sooo old that you were born in India.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gorakhpur is far east UP, near Bihar.</p>
<p>Therefore Firaq Gorakhpuri was not from Allahabad, I guess.</p>
<p>Like Kabirdas, I also agree that desis are the least self respeecting people on the face of this earth. Chinese speak chinese at home, Arabs speak Arabic at home, but fucking desis speak tooTi-phooTi English at home. I don&#8217;t know if people remember my comments in July after trip to Inida. I refused to speak English at hotels in Dehli. Kar lo jo karna hae. Aik laRkee muj say baad may bolnay lagee, sir ooper valay kehtay hai&#8217;n&#8230;and actually I felt little bad for getting angry at her for speaking in English when she knew I spoke Urdu (hindi)&#8230;baichaaree ko rozee kaamaanee hae.<br />
Hamara PK/India kaa culture kharaab ho gayaa hae.</p>
<p>Also, KabirDaas Sahib, you after all may be more senior than me. ab tou aap mujhay pre-partition material lagnay lagay hai&#8217;n!</p>
<p>btw, I speak good urdu so this young girl in PK asked me, oh, aap india may paida huay thay?&#8230;In other words, if you speak normal language, babes now think you are sooo old that you were born in India.</p>
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		<title>By: kabirdas</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ barristerakc on December 14th,
1. It is rather odd that in the whole of world ( as far as I have seen)it is only south Asians (India+ Pakiatani+ Cylonese) who do not take as much pride in speaking their own language as they do in speaking English. I often wonder about the precise reason for this.

2. I don&#039;t want to sound personal but would you say that the brother of your grand mother converted to Hinduism as a protest against partition or under duress. Any way I feel a person should have the freedom to choose his religion like he should have freedom of speech, and freedom of thought. I find it it odd that Islam (or is it Mulla again) does not permit leaving Islam. If I just happen to be borne in a Muslim family through no fault of mine then why should I not have the freedom to choose a religion for myself ???

3. The only thing I remember of Shimla is its monkeys of which I used to be so scared.

4. Yakka was a small size tonga like carriage pulled by a horse. In my time in Quaidas &#039;Alif&#039; was always for &#039;Aam&#039; and small &#039;yeh&#039; for &#039;Yakka&#039;. I don&#039;t know what are &#039;Alif&#039; and &#039;Yeh&#039; for these days. 

5. Thaila was a two wheeled covered carriage pulled by one or two men. I think it was meant to ferry only children to school. 

6. By Pisser-e-Zamin do you mean only Punjabis or also the rest of Pakistanis other than Mohajirs?? You may well be right about certain aspect of their culture which is the result of feudalism, waderaism and lack of education

7. However, you should be grateful to Punjab for having done so much for the development of Urdu. You should also give Punjabis the credit for genuinely treating Urdu as the national language of Pakistan.

8. Although I have lived among Punjabis only for a small part of my life I have found them very affable people. I am rather fond of them. However, if you are asked to enumerate their faults or your major grievance against them what would they be ???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ barristerakc on December 14th,<br />
1. It is rather odd that in the whole of world ( as far as I have seen)it is only south Asians (India+ Pakiatani+ Cylonese) who do not take as much pride in speaking their own language as they do in speaking English. I often wonder about the precise reason for this.</p>
<p>2. I don&#8217;t want to sound personal but would you say that the brother of your grand mother converted to Hinduism as a protest against partition or under duress. Any way I feel a person should have the freedom to choose his religion like he should have freedom of speech, and freedom of thought. I find it it odd that Islam (or is it Mulla again) does not permit leaving Islam. If I just happen to be borne in a Muslim family through no fault of mine then why should I not have the freedom to choose a religion for myself ???</p>
<p>3. The only thing I remember of Shimla is its monkeys of which I used to be so scared.</p>
<p>4. Yakka was a small size tonga like carriage pulled by a horse. In my time in Quaidas &#8216;Alif&#8217; was always for &#8216;Aam&#8217; and small &#8216;yeh&#8217; for &#8216;Yakka&#8217;. I don&#8217;t know what are &#8216;Alif&#8217; and &#8216;Yeh&#8217; for these days. </p>
<p>5. Thaila was a two wheeled covered carriage pulled by one or two men. I think it was meant to ferry only children to school. </p>
<p>6. By Pisser-e-Zamin do you mean only Punjabis or also the rest of Pakistanis other than Mohajirs?? You may well be right about certain aspect of their culture which is the result of feudalism, waderaism and lack of education</p>
<p>7. However, you should be grateful to Punjab for having done so much for the development of Urdu. You should also give Punjabis the credit for genuinely treating Urdu as the national language of Pakistan.</p>
<p>8. Although I have lived among Punjabis only for a small part of my life I have found them very affable people. I am rather fond of them. However, if you are asked to enumerate their faults or your major grievance against them what would they be ???</p>
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		<title>By: barristerakc</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bingo! Firaq Gorakhpuri…(honestly, I am not good with names) – I really started reading Urdu literature during my self exile in England as a student when a friend presented a book….and ofcourse, post-Anwer Maqsud lectures on how do you expect others to respect Urdu when You (yourself) do not speak, read and respect yours…I see our young generation tilting towards English/Minglish while the “Piss”-er –e-Zameen taking over from us (unfortunately)….

Speaking of Shimla (where my grand mother’s brother lives and now a converted “hindu” Alhumdulliah …who refused to accept partiton – I do not blame him); it’s still a very much “off-limit” to Pakistani or Even Pakistani Origin tourists because of Shimla being a garrision town. It’s a beautiful place especially the town house – somehow reminds me of Abbotabad Town House? Try to make it to Kalka by road, and grab a ride on the Mountain Railway towards Shimla, timed well you can go up in the early morning and be back by late night.

Shahjahan Pour? That’s interesting? Agra? And no I am not familiar with Yakka &amp; Thaila? The word Yakka in my dictionary is “devil worshipper”…but our “Yakka” is prorably a bull-cart? 


You see gandasa, paye, foul language, dumping women alive, gang raping women and agriculture is not our culture really – it’s “PISS”ER-e-ZAMEEN’s culture…*thinking of balma* …

Wasay been to Fatehpur Sikri? My Town?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bingo! Firaq Gorakhpuri…(honestly, I am not good with names) – I really started reading Urdu literature during my self exile in England as a student when a friend presented a book….and ofcourse, post-Anwer Maqsud lectures on how do you expect others to respect Urdu when You (yourself) do not speak, read and respect yours…I see our young generation tilting towards English/Minglish while the “Piss”-er –e-Zameen taking over from us (unfortunately)….</p>
<p>Speaking of Shimla (where my grand mother’s brother lives and now a converted “hindu” Alhumdulliah …who refused to accept partiton – I do not blame him); it’s still a very much “off-limit” to Pakistani or Even Pakistani Origin tourists because of Shimla being a garrision town. It’s a beautiful place especially the town house – somehow reminds me of Abbotabad Town House? Try to make it to Kalka by road, and grab a ride on the Mountain Railway towards Shimla, timed well you can go up in the early morning and be back by late night.</p>
<p>Shahjahan Pour? That’s interesting? Agra? And no I am not familiar with Yakka &amp; Thaila? The word Yakka in my dictionary is “devil worshipper”…but our “Yakka” is prorably a bull-cart? </p>
<p>You see gandasa, paye, foul language, dumping women alive, gang raping women and agriculture is not our culture really – it’s “PISS”ER-e-ZAMEEN’s culture…*thinking of balma* …</p>
<p>Wasay been to Fatehpur Sikri? My Town?</p>
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		<title>By: kabirdas</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ barristerakc
What Akbar Allah Abadi said about Balma is a new one for me. Makarrar Irshad.

I have vague memories of three Indian cities, Shahjahan Pour, Delhi and Shimla. I still remember the delicious Umroods of Shahjahan Pour beside the Yakka and Thaila on which I rode to go to school. You are too young to know what a Yakka and Thaila were. You might have seen the picture of a Yakka in your class one Quaida but you might not know what a Thaila was. OK try to find out what a thaila was on which children rode to go to school.

When you say Firaq Sahab which Friaq you mean. I know only one Firaq who was Gorkhpoori. May be Gorakhpoor is some place in Allah Abad.

You may respond to Balma as follows:
LaRka hooN maeN chot sa par Kam karooN ga baRay baRy ( NO, not buray buray like Balma)

My response to your message got deleted accidently just when I had completed it. It is too late to write again all over.

A little while ago read the definition of democracy by George Bernard Shaw. Seems as if he defined it keeping the democracy of Pakistan in mind. He says: 
&quot;Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ barristerakc<br />
What Akbar Allah Abadi said about Balma is a new one for me. Makarrar Irshad.</p>
<p>I have vague memories of three Indian cities, Shahjahan Pour, Delhi and Shimla. I still remember the delicious Umroods of Shahjahan Pour beside the Yakka and Thaila on which I rode to go to school. You are too young to know what a Yakka and Thaila were. You might have seen the picture of a Yakka in your class one Quaida but you might not know what a Thaila was. OK try to find out what a thaila was on which children rode to go to school.</p>
<p>When you say Firaq Sahab which Friaq you mean. I know only one Firaq who was Gorkhpoori. May be Gorakhpoor is some place in Allah Abad.</p>
<p>You may respond to Balma as follows:<br />
LaRka hooN maeN chot sa par Kam karooN ga baRay baRy ( NO, not buray buray like Balma)</p>
<p>My response to your message got deleted accidently just when I had completed it. It is too late to write again all over.</p>
<p>A little while ago read the definition of democracy by George Bernard Shaw. Seems as if he defined it keeping the democracy of Pakistan in mind. He says:<br />
&quot;Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve.&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: barristerakc</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Hazrat Balma about the memory lapse! It’s Saturday and I just came back ahem ahem….

Btw, Ibn-e- Safi (the writer) and Mohammad Kaif (the cricketer) are famous Allahabadis – I know some of my friends who are from Allahabad and they maintain a pretty strong connection…University of Allahabad is legendry…The great Firaq Saheb is from Allahabad too…great city!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Hazrat Balma about the memory lapse! It’s Saturday and I just came back ahem ahem….</p>
<p>Btw, Ibn-e- Safi (the writer) and Mohammad Kaif (the cricketer) are famous Allahabadis – I know some of my friends who are from Allahabad and they maintain a pretty strong connection…University of Allahabad is legendry…The great Firaq Saheb is from Allahabad too…great city!</p>
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		<title>By: balma</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vakeel, chhoTay hou, baRee baRee baatai&#039;n karo tou phir poore karo:
Nehru is the most famous product of Allahabad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vakeel, chhoTay hou, baRee baRee baatai&#8217;n karo tou phir poore karo:<br />
Nehru is the most famous product of Allahabad.</p>
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