War rumours – Who is hearing what?

Not sure what others hearing but i am hearing (and reading) war rumours whose authenticity is not yet verified. Two incidents that made me make this post was 1. Saw 10-12 Huge Military trucks carrying small tanks, armoured vehicles and equipment last night on Shahra-e-Faisal. I immediately rang Raja who was also at SF then but didnt have a camera. The qafila was moving towards Karsaz ( i was at Nursery then) and 2. This this afternoon i heard a PAF plan sound coming from some distance on SF again (verified through BBC though it doenst mention KHI). I have been told by some CS people that people are requesting national songs as call back tunes on mobile. I also have some inside stories but wont share just to escape creating tension without much substance. Karachi being the main city, is very sensitive to any such event, if ever come GOD FORBID. What others hearing ?

27 Comments so far

  1. kaami on December 22nd, 2008 @ 7:46 pm

    I don’t think its in India’s interest to wage a war now, they have too much at stake, however, what they can do is threaten with troops deployment, to which we would have to respond. But, unlike 2001 India will have quite a few advantages:

    1/ Over the past one year or so the state of Pakistan has become considerably weakened. Altough we can respond but any mass scale troop movement will hurt us very badly. It will be a huge burden.

    2/ We are diplomatically isolated like we were never before. Even Chine might say, what the heck let them have it.

    3/ In continuation of point (1) we will go into further debt and will have to oblige the lenders.

    4/ There is considerable political disarray between and among the various political (looting) parties, since the one consensus point Musharraf is no more. There is no consensus on any other issues.

    5/ India also has the unique advantage of not having to explain any of its actions, our President and Prime Minister can do all the explaining.

    So it’s a win, win for India without having to go to war.

    Alternately, we as a nation can clean up our own mess, reign in our terrorists / jihadists, adopt a progressive attitude, shed our ideoligical nonsense and make it a win win for every body. If Mr. Zardari / millitary is serious about the clean up then we should support them.


  2. Asim.Net.Pk (asim) on December 22nd, 2008 @ 8:04 pm

    Well, War is in no one interset!
    infact it will change the direction of future and war on terrorism
    some people want the war to happen thats why you listen WAR RUMOURS
    on other hand, if we go into war with India….we must unite!
    though Mr.President is not doing much and as usual officals playing the
    blame game!


  3. ڈفرستان کا ڈفر (duffer) on December 22nd, 2008 @ 9:41 pm

    situation is really critical but the rumors are more humorous than seriousness of critical situation :D
    today jet planes kept on flying in pindi islamabad horizons and ppl in my office commented like this
    – i think we are attacked
    – i ve recved sms asking "has india struck?"
    – these must be indian jets, do we have some?
    – yes we have, they are always under the bridges :D
    – why aren’t there any blast sounds of indian bombs?
    – another sms: india has struck Lahore :O
    – what the hell india is doing in lahore? does lahore holds so called "terrorists camps"?
    – no lahore holds shahi mohalla :D
    ______________________________________
    http://www.dufferistan.com


  4. tzaidi on December 22nd, 2008 @ 10:19 pm

    War or threat of war will only result in more terrorism and India knows that – they will never make this mistake.

    War will be the best excuse terrorist might use to recruit already depressed, unemployed and focusless youth !!!!!


  5. calyps on December 22nd, 2008 @ 11:51 pm

    First event: 11 September The US govt. used this event to attack Iraq / Afghanistan / Pakistan’s border and Bush won the 2nd election.

    Benazir death drama: Bomb blast in Pakistan resulted in assassination of Benazir. This helped PPP to win election

    Mumbai Attack drama: This would help current govt. win the election.

    Conclusion: yeh sab drama hai, to get the votes but its part of roadmap to Qayamat!!! Learn from these events.


  6. kaami on December 23rd, 2008 @ 12:53 am

    @calyps – how about your life being a drama? isnt that a likely hood? What if all this is a virtual reality game and we dont even exist physically?


  7. kaami on December 23rd, 2008 @ 1:13 am

    30,000 US troops pledged for Afghanistan more to come after dis-engagement from Iraq, India’s threat of surgical strikes. Iran, China and the rest of the world on our throats to clean up our act.
    Finally, despite the continous state of denial of our populace ( to them every thing is a drama) we have to move our butt, live in this world like a civilized nation or be condemned and put in our place. Its time to to close Jihaad Enterprise and issue a mandatory recall of all crazy dogs that we have set loose on the rest of humanity.

    Indeed we are a blessed nation.


  8. anjaanay on December 23rd, 2008 @ 9:19 am

    Hmmmmmm

    Sounds like INDIA willl Start A Limited war but we are ready and we willl give an equal answer to them.though we are very facing lots of issues inside but for DEFENCE OF PAKISTAN…we are United no Compromise in Defending our home land


  9. Talha Aziz (aziztalha) on December 23rd, 2008 @ 10:29 am

    i was at PIDC/Sheraton Traffic Signal at mid night returning from a wedding.. n witnessed this "kafila" of 10-12 (or may b more) military truck was heading towards the port (via MT Khan Rd) …

    today.. coming to office .. i saw a smaller "kafila" (of smaller military trucks) at Drigh road .. entering the Central Ordinance Depot there…


  10. Tariq Khanani (tariqkhanani) on December 23rd, 2008 @ 10:30 am

    lets hope for the best and prepare for the worst


  11. Talha Aziz (aziztalha) on December 23rd, 2008 @ 10:37 am

    @anjaanay: yes … thats what i think too … a limited war .. in the sense that it would be confined to an area .. much like the Kargil war…

    and yes.. at this time of turmoil .. the war might be uniting force for the people of Pakistan .. but it might as well be exploited by some separatist elements within the country too .. an unnecessary risk ..

    same is the ground reality in India too … War might unite the people of India.. but it just might ignite the separatist to break India apart.. therefore .. i think .. War is not in the interest of either country .. the cost (both financial and moral) that it comes with.. is not something either of the countries can bear.


  12. Tariq Khanani (tariqkhanani) on December 23rd, 2008 @ 1:46 pm

    @kaami
    What if all this is a virtual reality game and we dont even exist physically?

    ooo Matrix, well atleast one of us exist, which made that game :p


  13. alam on December 23rd, 2008 @ 1:56 pm

    3 decades of Jihadism is coming to an end, thanks to IAF

    :)


  14. khaled90 on December 23rd, 2008 @ 3:49 pm

    In my opinion Pakistan is not ready for war at all, we are facing war like situation in NWFP and in Balochistan, The gov has completed lost its writ in both the provinces and in case of war what would happen time will tell but pakistan is really in danger and in bad shape as well.

    People running this country should eliminate people and groups doing terrorism in the name of Islam as the world is pointing fingers towards Pakistan.


  15. kaami on December 23rd, 2008 @ 7:44 pm

    How about this WAR UPDATE!:

    Militants attack three schools in Peshawar
    http://dawn.com/2008/12/23/top3.htm

    We are the greatest threat to ourseleves and the enemy:

    The perpetual "State of Denial" and "Self Righteousness"


  16. saadshah on December 23rd, 2008 @ 8:39 pm

    The berlin wall fell.. it is a testimony that peace can prevail despite all odds..
    will/can the people of Pakistan and India unite again as ONE?
    can we come beyond religious hatred and rise up as better human beings?
    or is this the end?


  17. kaami on December 24th, 2008 @ 1:13 am

    Here is an another example of what we are up against:

    Person accused of spying slaughtered in Swat
    http://thenews.jang.com.pk/updates.asp?id=63037

    And we worry about India?


  18. jaydee on December 24th, 2008 @ 7:23 pm

    NEW DELHI: Prime Minister Manmohan Singh yesterday dismissed talk of war with Pakistan but again demanded it act against militants blamed for cross-border attacks.
    “The issue is not war. Nobody wants war. We would like an objective effort to dismantle terror infrastructure,” Singh told reporters after addressing a meeting of 116 Indian heads of missions gathered here for a three-day conclave that began on Monday.
    “We expect them as a member of the UN to comply with several UN Security Council resolutions passed over the years,” Singh said.
    The prime minister was alluding to recent UN Security Council resolution declaring Pakistan-based Jamaat-ud-Dawa a terrorist organisation and imposing travel and assets freeze on four Lashkar-e-Taiba operatives.
    “We would like the international community to use its power of persuasion to persuade Pakistan to comply with the UNSC resolutions,” the prime minister said.
    “The Mumbai terrorist attacks were an attack on India’s ambitions to emerge as an economic power,” Singh said.
    “India will not accept a situation where terrorism is used as an instrument to cripple its economy or the values it stands for,” the prime minister stressed.
    Indicating a larger design behind the attacks, Singh said: “Non-state actors were practising terrorism aided and abetted by state establishments.”
    This is perhaps the first statement by the prime minister that points towards the complicity of sections of the Pakistani establishment like the spy agency Inter-Services Intelligence in the Mumbai strikes.
    Singh’s tough message to Islamabad comes a day after India handed over to Pakistan a letter written by Mohamed Ajmal Kasab, the lone surviving Mumbai attacker in Indian custody, saying he and nine others who perpetrated the attacks were Pakistanis.
    Alluding to the international security environment, the prime minister underlined that threats such as terrorism and piracy required a “well-thought out strategy.”
    “India sought peace and stability in its neighbourhood. The situation was, however, worrisome,” he told the envoys.
    Singh’s comments followed similar remarks by External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee.
    “My request to our friends in Pakistan would be they should address the issue. The issue is not creating war hysteria or raising finger against others,” Mukherjee said earlier yesterday.
    “The question is there has been a sinister and heinous terrorist attack on Mumbai from elements in Pakistan,” Mukherjee said.
    “India has requested Pakistan to take action against perpetrators of these attacks.”
    Mukherjee has previously said “all options” were open to India to pressure Pakistan after the attacks, but analysts said a military strike remains very unlikely, as it would strengthen the hand of hawks and extremists in Pakistan.
    Instead India is trying to build an international diplomatic consensus to put pressure on Pakistan, and has received support from the US and the UN.
    New Delhi has blamed last month’s attacks, in which gunmen killed 195 people, on the banned Pakistan-based extremist group Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) which is fighting Indian rule in Jammu and Kashmir.
    India says the gunmen were trained and equipped by LeT and travelled to Mumbai on a hijacked trawler from the Pakistani port of Karachi. – Agencies


  19. kabirdas on December 24th, 2008 @ 11:39 pm

    @ kaami on December 23rd: "What if all this is a virtual reality game and we dont even exist physically?"

    Not possible. Remember: I think therefore, I am.

    Anyway sorry for this small digression. You may continue with your debate.


  20. kabirdas on December 24th, 2008 @ 11:45 pm

    What, 19 comments on a post in KMB without any mention of MQM?? Shows we all are united on this issue including good ‘doctor’ and smart ‘barrister’:-)


  21. kabirdas on December 24th, 2008 @ 11:51 pm

    Guys, take it easy. Easy does it. I Just now heard on Geo News one minister saying that Pakistan Bharat ko surgical strikes kee ijazat nahi day ga. Now that’s a good piece of news. I did not know Bharat required Pakistan’s ijazat for a surgical strike:-)


  22. kaami on December 25th, 2008 @ 1:06 am

    Hey @kabirdas! my man, "You think thats why you are", meaning that majority of Pakistanis dont even exist or do they?

    IJAZAT:
    Now what more can we ask from our ministers. Just imagine if he had given "ijazat" then Indians would have surely struck wazirabad first or else their surgeons would have gone on strike.

    Dont bother just a very lame joke.

    As for the good DOCTOR, I have noticed that he is keeping a low profile after the Mumbai episode. Perhaps laying low for a while?

    Smart Barrister is a very quick draw with one hand always on the holster, so dont you tease him.


  23. srhasan on December 25th, 2008 @ 11:32 am

    Hello @Kami

    I visit Karachi metblog from time to time and it was very refreshing to see your posts here. You are so right to point out the responsiblity shirking, conspiracy theories embracing, self righteous attitude of most of us Pakistani’s. Like 60’s film hero "Dr. please keh do yeh jhoot hey…yeh jhoot hey….yeh jhoot hey.."

    It is usually called "confirmation bias" in pyscology terms. We only accept those ideas and look (or invent) only those evidences which vindicate our already established vision/idea.

    Like people who look for the mosque which remains after a tornado while everything else vanishes. They would never look for the 99% other mosques which vanished but just that one which remains.

    While we can come up with myriad consipracy theories that the Mumbai attacks and everything else that is going on in our country for last several years are the "zionist – hindu – american" conspiracy, we can only fool ourselves. The world knows our deeds. We have created this Frankenstein and had our fun with it, now it is turning on us. We need to eliminate it. Frankenstein can not be tamed, it has to be destroyed. Utterly and completely.

    As long as we keep silently supporting these Islamist criminals, remain ambivalent about their total destruction, we are playing with fire. Unfortunately Islamism is a such a desease that its cure will take a lot of time and effort.

    The last scene of "No country for old men" was so telling for us all where Lewellen’s wife refuse to call the coin when Anton (the murderous money hunter) asked her to. It was such a pivotal moment of the film. I hope all Pakistani’s watch and understand it. She said "No I am not going to call the coin. YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND. IT IS NOT THE COIN, ITS YOU".

    We can transfer the blame of our doings to many many conformting conspiracy theories, but ultimately it is us – many of us – who maim, explode, kill and do terrorism in the name of religion and Islamism.

    "It is not the coin, it is us". We have to take responsiblity of our actions and our brothers’ actions as well.


  24. barristerakc on December 25th, 2008 @ 9:48 pm

    Janab!

    As I said before and lot of my good friends had written that there has to some sort of introspection by Pakistani Security Establishment. The good-cop/bad-cop behavior should end for the better of the country.

    When the Pisser-e-Zameen welcomed with cheers Sheikh Omer, Molana Masood Azher and Lakhvi after a swap of Indian Passengers in exchange of the three devils; Pisser-e-Zameen called it a “major achievement” by Martial Races.

    Their idols Sheikh Omer came back to Karachi to behead Daniel Pearl; attacked Churches inside Pakistan while Masood Azher (former Sectarian Terrorist and closely associated with Lakher-e-Jhanvi and Harkat) formed Jaish-e-Mohammad to attack the Indian Parliament. Lakhvi is being named for training the terrorists who carried out the Mumbai Massacre. WHY DID WE EVER TOOK THEM BACK TO OUR COUNTRY?

    It’s simple; Frankenstein’s we created are coming back to haunt us!

    As far as WAR with India is concerned; it will prorably never happen.

    The World Community has every right to dictate Pakistan’s policies; be it by IMF to impose agricultural tax on feudal or pressurizing Army to crack down of Islamist Thugs! For the benefit of Pakistanis ; ofcourse!

    http://www.akchishti.blogspot.com/


  25. kabirdas on December 26th, 2008 @ 12:54 am

    @ barristerakc on December 25th.

    "WHY DID WE EVER TOOK THEM BACK TO OUR COUNTRY?"

    The answer to this question is so simple that even I can answer it. We took them back since they had made Indian’s life pretty difficult inside Kashmir and we wanted them to continue with this onerous task.


  26. kaami on December 26th, 2008 @ 5:48 am

    @srhasan thanks for the kind words and a telling commentary on our society.
    Its good to see people like you coming out with a mirror for the benefit of our country men/women.

    Its about time that raw truth be told and, the populace develops stomachs to digest it.


  27. kaami on December 26th, 2008 @ 5:53 am

    @srhasan, BTW I have seen "No Country for Old Men" and never thought that someone will draw such a wonderful analogy. Those who have seen the movie, will enjoy your post like a vintage.



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