In the news: Man commits suicide over poverty and jobless

According to Daily Jang’s site a young man commits suicide because of poverty and jobless. Should we expect more such cases in future because of current economic situation or is there any way to help those people?

Karachi is the city of more than 12 million people. If 1% total population(120,000 people) save Rs.1/- daily, then we can save 3.6 million in a month.

What do you people think? There is need for such activity or we should rely only on Government?

36 Comments so far

  1. kabirdas on January 18th, 2009 @ 11:07 pm

    Sir, suppose you are given Rs.3.6 million per month. Will you please let me know how are you going to solve the problem of poor unemployed youth using this money.


  2. ڈفرستان کا ڈفر (duffer) on January 18th, 2009 @ 11:27 pm

    we cant save every dieing person
    but at least we can save some
    we should think about perfection but
    only when we lack behind
    now we can save ppl but we are not
    the ida is great
    having something is better than nothing
    _________________
    http://www.dufferistan.com


  3. mqpasta on January 18th, 2009 @ 11:35 pm

    @Kabirdas

    I dont know .. thats why I asked your opinion.

    @duffer
    Yah! but why not we come up with some suggestions in order to implement this idea?


  4. human01 on January 19th, 2009 @ 12:21 am

    Very probable & doable suggestion my friend, and I have no doubt that people will step up & help, they always do. The bigger question is what to do with these funds to manage and stream line the efforts in a way where these funds can be utilized properly & in the most efficient manner would be the real challenge. There are various organizations/NGO’s already exist and claiming to be doing what is needed, so how would this effort be different from theirs to produce the desired results, that others have failed to produce. Btw I don’t mean to discredit any one, just saying that our overall public welfare system including NGO’s & government organizations sucks just like every thing else, maybe because of the magnitude of the problem, which is so huge that all these efforts are simply not enough & more needs to be done.
    Coming back to same question of what different would be done to be more effective. There are various social welfare models available to look at, few are already been practiced in the rest of the world like unemployment allowances, food stamp system for those who can’t afford to feed their families…or BENAZIR ALLOWANCE….but is it the right solution, would it stop these suicides and depression…..the answer is not simple. In an ideal situation, the above mentioned welfare programs do help, may produce results for those who uses these help for a short while just to hang on to in difficult times & to get back on their feet but in reality there is a fair chance of creating a breed of people who become dependent on these allowances and food stamps, then you create a perpetual generation of slums within a society……ever heard of black & white trash neighbor hoods in USA and similar in UK & Canada ….but I think overall it helps people and better then having nothing at all.
    Coming to the basic question of how to utilize your estimated Rs. 3.6 million per month fund, I think it can be used to create a community based interest free loan system which will provide eligible youth, men & women in general, an opportunity to start small scale business, education loans (even for higher studies abroad) & other like opportunities. That kind of loan will offer a respectful help (without hurting one’s self respect and ego) to the needy ones and I have complete faith that these folks will be far more responsible then the so called elites of the society, will not only pay their dues in time but also will become the biggest supporter & contributor of this effort.
    I also think that there is a need to combine all the efforts (which is been done under different banners and organizations) to alleviate poverty and poverty related issues under one umbrella and stream line all that to make one coherent effort that will eliminate redundancy and also will be more focused on the very root cause of the issues.


  5. mqpasta on January 19th, 2009 @ 12:50 am

    interest free loan system >> nice point

    eligible >> can someone help in order to identify definition of "Eligible"


  6. human01 on January 19th, 2009 @ 1:50 am

    Eligible people, who really deserve help, not habitual/professional beggars, because beggars will be beggars no matter how much & how long you support them. This support system will only work if every participant have vigor & passion to become a useful part of the society…and I believe majority of the people have that integrity….so a very basic qualification criteria can be put together like basic qualification of individuals (avoiding any red tape formalities like regular bank loans), a simple background check to assure their validity & true financial status, simple feasibility plan of what they will do with the loan……and a group of qualified volunteers can help them with that.


  7. barrister on January 19th, 2009 @ 6:13 am

    On topic: I do not feel an iota of sympathy for “man” who commits suicide; a coward and nothing less.

    Anyhow, I personally like the “collection” idea. Imagine how much the beggars of Karachi get away with every day? I just realized, I gave our around a hundred in handouts to the beggar(s) alone (just today).

    BTW, MQM is coming out with a Micro Finance Bank very soon. Infact, I am part of it apart it; we are in a process of opening a: CV BANK which will eventually place people on right jobs which I am sure will decrease unemployment rates.

    I have a different approach on poverty alleviation. I think that lack of basic and subsidized healthcare facilities are the biggest contributor to the ever-increasing poverty levels; obviously, education comes after that.


  8. samz on January 19th, 2009 @ 2:54 pm

    Establish and build technical Institutions for mobile repairing, different machine repairing, for office automation and other courses along with providing the interest free loans for small businesses and higher educations


  9. mkasa on January 19th, 2009 @ 11:48 pm

    CV Bank is good. But we have to setup business, have to setup small business , like collect money buy Green Rikshaw or Govt. have setup installment plan for green rikhshaw. Just buy one and search a person who is really in need of them. You just visit his home to whom you believe is a needy person in order to verify. Just give support in this manner. or buy Alto convert it into Taxi ( you can get Alto in 1 Lac or around )

    Aur bhi bahot say ideas hain, but baton say kuch nahi hota.


  10. barrister on January 20th, 2009 @ 1:00 am

    My friend, YAC – MQM (MQM-Youth) is for you. It is taking up such issues like career counseling, job placement, legal advice, helping saathis to get admission and YAC(s) another entity the Technocrat & Finance Committee (for professional Saathis above 35) will take over MQM(s) proposed Micro Finance Bank.

    And obviously, as you have rightly mentioned; the bank will give out loans of Rs.50, 000 to 3, 00,000.

    CV Bank will not only pool CV(s) but will place people on right jobs. Infact, we had a fantastic meeting in Gulshan-e-Iqbal (good 200 professionals attended it) just yesterday apart from that: We made it a point to call randomly 12 Unit Incharges and atleast 2 Sector Incharge to make it a point that we all are educated people.

    Our office is always open for suggestion: Join YAC-MQM – MQM Youth to make a difference

    akchishti@hotmail.com


  11. kaami on January 20th, 2009 @ 5:25 am

    Not even welfare states uarantee 100% employment. However, the job of the govt is:

    1/ Invest in its human resources (educate & train).
    2/ Invest in Infrastructure.
    3/ Provide opportunity.
    4/ Provide security.
    5/ Promote Merit
    and
    7/ Attract Investments.

    And when that happens, jobs get created. People innovate and surprising new avenues get discovered. Just look at the cell phone sector and media.

    In order for all this to happen, there is one more important factor and that is, "people" focus there energies on useful work and not waste time on local and international useless politico/religio causes.

    WORK HARD TO IMPROVE YOUR LOT!


  12. human01 on January 20th, 2009 @ 10:12 am

    Barrister bro, you guys are doing great job there, hopefully this YAC-MQM will change the status quo in this country…….InshaAllah. Reminds me of the days when we just got out of the university and had our first jobs, we made a pact among ourselves (group of few friends) that we will support our community by providing right career counseling to our juniors & if we get to some senior positions, we’ll follow rule of merit prevail in any hiring decisions. We also decided to create a fund for deserving students from the money we got as Qarz-e-Hasna when we were in University. The funny part about this Qarz-e- Hasna is the process to return this money to government is so complicated and difficult that it is hundred times easier & worthy to give it to some deserving student. We come up with this fund idea just because we couldn’t return the money to the bank due to the red tape & a ton of paper work. I always believed that a strong community approach, where people take care of each other & look out for each other can bring unimaginable changes and is the key to self reliance on any scale, proven & true for a small community to a large nation.


  13. barrister on January 20th, 2009 @ 7:57 pm

    Gangsta Bro, we have great hopes for YAC and great to know contributed to the good cause during your university days.

    The idea is to get hold of folks like you who were active with APMSO or were/are sympathizers and after becoming a professional forgot the “Tahreek” or became too busy. We plan to capitalize by using you where you can be beneficial for the Tahreek and Ofcourse, Pakistan. And then there are other projects as I had mentioned previously.

    Student Loans is absolutely on cards and Infact we already had couple of follow up meetings with Karachi University Officials and with or without Micro Finance Bank (subject to approval) we will hand out or atleast subsidize fee costs (KKF is always there).

    Right now as it stands: Semester Free BBA/MBA from KU: Rs.15,000-16,000 / Semester (which works out to be: Rs.2666 / month) and while I agree it’s very cheap but I personally know people who could not afford even this fee.. Evening Program is more expensive…we need to “sort this out”. D-Pharm I am guessing here is around the same too.

    Acha the problem is finding the jobs and that(s) where we have networks working both in public & private sectors – especially.

    Humari tu halyat kuch asieee he hay bhai sahab.

    yaar ko deeda-e-khoonbaar say oujhal ker kay
    mujh ko halaat nay mara hai mukammal ker kay
    yani, tarteeb-e-karam ka bhi saleeqa tha usay
    uss nay pather bhi uthaya mujhay pagal ker kay"

    we need a facelift and seriously organize for our betterment.


  14. kaami on January 21st, 2009 @ 12:26 am

    @Barrister Good Luck on a fantastic endeavour. Just one question, Is Tasneem Ahmed Siddiqui (founder Khuda ki Basti) being consulted on this?

    If not, no problem, if yes then good for you. Such retired bearaucrats are an asset and their experience invaluable. There is another name that I remember…yes.. Mr. Askari Taqvi, he must be very old by now but, the last time I saw him he was very active.

    Will drop you a line one of these days.


  15. rockfella25 on January 21st, 2009 @ 3:25 pm

    @ Barrister,

    My friend, YAC – MQM (MQM-Youth) is for you. It is taking up such issues like career counseling, job placement, legal advice, helping saathis to get admission and YAC(s) another entity the Technocrat & Finance Committee (for professional Saathis above 35) will take over MQM(s) proposed Micro Finance Bank.

    How do people who do not agree with the ideology and the background of MQM avail of this Micro Bank? Or is it being established for only one ethinic party of Karachi?

    If this is being funded by MQM through its own resources it is in its right to give out selective loans/jobs, however if it is being funded through the federal or provincial govts, i am very intereested in finding out why one has to become a ‘Saathi’ or MQM Youth Wing Member to avail of the bank as you have stated above.


  16. barrister on January 21st, 2009 @ 5:57 pm

    @kaami bhai,
    What a wonderful idea …!!! I will personally go to Tasneem Sahib and Taqvi Sahib for help. Will update you with pictures and all. Thanks.

    MQM welcomes all ethnicities and has a no discrimination policy. I am sure if you are eligible; you can get what you want The proposed MQM Microfinance Bank is MQM(s) bank and not a public sector project.

    MQM(s) Youth or YAC however is an organization for professionals and students (who are perusing education) and want to do something for MQM, Karachi and Pakistan so obviously being a member you have to have some sort of ideological affiliation with the Tahreek , However our offices are open and you can pop-down whenever you want. We already have a secretariat working at Badar Commercial, DHA and will be opening couple of other’s in Gulshan & Nazimabad soon.

    On a personal level, if you need help apart from all our differences; I am ready to help. No Problems, Bhai!!!!

    Mujh per keechar na uchalay
    merey dushman sey kaho

    apni dastar sanbhalay
    merey dushman sey kaho

    wo adoo mera hay yeh usey zara dheyan rahay
    apna qad kath nikalay merey dushman sey kaho

    jeet us ki hay agar haar bhi jata hay woh
    mujhey meyaar bana lay merey dushman sey kaho

    jub mushkil hoti hay usey kisi lamhay bhi
    mujhey pass bulay ley merey dushman sey kaho

    aur app say tu qurbat ka purana rishta hai rockfella bhai. aiyay naye sho-waat karein jo "tasubaat aur tafeek" say buland ho.


  17. Adnan Siddiqi (adnansiddiqi) on January 21st, 2009 @ 10:26 pm

    barristerAK47, I hope this bank will be helpful to feed in those mobile/car snatchers and Bhatta khors who have been looting Karachiites for last 15-20 years in the name of MQM. Let’s hope for the best.


  18. rockfella25 on January 21st, 2009 @ 10:37 pm

    @ barrister,
    Thank you for the white doves and i hope we can come together for a common cause: Karachi.

    Re. having some ideological affiliation with the tehreek, I am no Urdu Speaking basher, half of my family is Urdu Speaking and i have been born and brought up in this same city as yourself. However when it comes to MQM, it is altogether a different case. You are young and have seen the development work carried out around the city and everyone appreciates the work done by Mustafa Kamal for the city and this obviously gives weight in your judging the party.

    But there are wounds that go back which can never be healed which root from the basic ideology of this organization.

    Back in 1997 my childhood buddy Ahmer Reza ul Islam was gunned down in his own house in Gulshan-e-Iqbal when the ‘hit sqad’ came to target his father, Khawaja Sharful Islam, a prominent lawyer.
    I had grown up with this guy and we were inseparable and i had played cricket almost everyday of my life with him until the unfortunate day he jumped in front of a hail of bullets intented for his father (just because he accepted the election ticket of MQM-H for a seat from Gulshan-e-Iqbal)

    Now presumably you are a lawyer yourself and i am sure you will not have difficulty digging up and finding out about the brutal assassination another lawyer Mr. Sharful Islam’s son in Aug 1999.

    This my friend is just one of a small stories buried among countless others only if you are willing to look under the carpet.

    http://www.karachipage.com/news/august97/080697.txt


  19. barrister on January 22nd, 2009 @ 12:08 am

    Forgiving does not erase the bitter past. A healed memory is not a deleted memory. Instead, forgiving what we cannot forget creates a new way to remember. We change the memory of our past into a hope for our future.

    Brother, if I look at what happened 10-15 years I can not count people who were murdered by Rangers, Military, Police and Intelligence officials. All Mohajir Men and Women – 15,000 of them extra-judicially murdered in a Serb-Style Genocide of Mohajirs in Pakistan. I lost family mate; my blood…

    Ofcourse, I can not forget it – how could I? but we have to move on for the sake of Karachi and Pakistan.


  20. barrister on January 22nd, 2009 @ 12:11 am

    @Adnan Siddiqi, religious thugs like you needs needs to go to the jail. BTW, did you kill Agha Juice House Man close to your place? because people who are close to you did : just beacause he was from a different "sect".


  21. khaled90 on January 22nd, 2009 @ 12:39 am

    @ rockfilla

    Sir most of the people belonged to Haqiqi were killed by their own masters the people in khakhis as they become bone in their throats like the killing of Zubair Kala brother of Younus Khan EX MPA inside landhi .

    Every one knew that haqiqi can’t win from Gulshan so they had to do things like this to create impression that MQM murdered the haqiqi men.

    There are several high profile cases in which MQM was implicated but later it was found that MQM had nothing to do in those cases like Salahuddin of takbeer, in 1999 salahuddin daughter Sadia anjum wife of Rafiq Afghan editor daily ummat, clearly said that her husband rafiq aghan murdered her father to capture his business and she wants divorce from him,But as Rafiq afghan a close associate of Hameed Gul of ISI, Sadia Anjum vanished from the scene and till now nobody knows where is she.

    Same is repeated with Hakim Saeed,
    Kamran khan that time in charge of The News Intellegence Wing like Ansar Abbasi now a days, published the story in The News that how Nawaz Sharif ordered the murder of Hakim Saeed to that time ISI Chief .

    Rockfilla MQM is a power and threat to people sitting in Government specially from fueled Punjab, the Socialist type Politics of MQM is threat to Punjabi establishment ruling this country and their Harami Aulads like Jamat e Islami and Talibans so they are out to eliminate MQM and putting everything on MQM but now enough is enough time is running out PUNJAB have to give rights to smaller provinces otherwise Pakistan will be far better without Punjab and Punjabies.


  22. khaled90 on January 22nd, 2009 @ 12:42 am

    @ Adnan Siddiqui

    blah blah blah

    MQM men in involved in murder snatching etc in karachi but intrestingly all the men caught red handed by people of this city and Police and even died when the people of karachi gave them beating turn out to be punjabi, saraiki, sindhi and pathans.


  23. kabirdas on January 22nd, 2009 @ 12:51 am

    @ barrister on January 22nd, 2009

    This guy whom you call a religious thug is also the killer of Jagdesh Kumar at whose lynching by a mob he rejoyced in KMB. He is a religious lunatic as I see him.


  24. kabirdas on January 22nd, 2009 @ 2:23 am

    @ barrister on January 19th, 2009

    Sometime looking at it philosiphically I feel commiting suicide may not be an act of cowardice. It may well be an act of bravery. An act of brave rebellion against the injustices of mother nature whereby you refuse to live and procreate which seems to be the ultimate desire and aim of mother nature.
    Let it be a food for thought for you.


  25. kabirdas on January 22nd, 2009 @ 2:29 am

    @ barrister on January 22nd, 2009

    A good piece of writing. I mean the first para.
    I am not too sure about the veracity of facts given in the second para.


  26. kabirdas on January 22nd, 2009 @ 2:36 am

    @ khaled90 on January 22nd.

    Good God and all this time I thought Punjabis were the good guys and all the rest including Mohajirs bad guys :-) I want to be a good guy. Is there a way I can convert into a Mohajir without migrating to anywhere :-)


  27. kabirdas on January 22nd, 2009 @ 2:44 am

    I don’t know why I am feeling in a lighter mood so late at night.

    I belive GM Sayed’s advice to the Sindhis used to be to beat up Mohajirs but while doing so curse the Punjabis thus giving the impression the Mohajir was being beaten up taking him for a Punjabi.

    What a fantastic advice it was if you come to think about it:-)


  28. Adnan Siddiqi (adnansiddiqi) on January 22nd, 2009 @ 10:18 pm

    Ak47: The agha Juice guy and the guy at Peshwari Icecream Hyderi both were killed by MQM Goons and everybody knows about it.

    and..I don’t live near Agha Juice :-)


  29. kabirdas on January 23rd, 2009 @ 12:24 am

    Kaami, sorry for going on a slight tangent here but can I request you to give your considered opinion about my comments vide Jan 22 on suicide.
    Thanks.


  30. kabirdas on January 23rd, 2009 @ 12:35 am

    Barrister:
    Your project YAC-MQM prima facie is a good idea and I hope it succeeds. Don’t forget most ideas we conceive are good but the devil is always in the details where we somehow fail. Wish you all the luck with this project.


  31. barrister on January 23rd, 2009 @ 12:40 am

    @AS.
    Nopes, religious thugs who use and abuse religion like you are responsible for the killing of those poor folks.

    @Kabirdas,
    Bhai Sahib, G.M Syed realized later on in his life that Mohajirs are “unbeatable” and became good friends with MQM. Infact, I know that despite disagreements and ideological differences Jay Sindh and MQM and especially Altaf Hussain Bhai and Sain’ G.M Syed had a good working co-ordination.

    Apparently, apart from the “Language Riots” in 1974 and couple of incidents in Hyderabad there had never been any serious rioting between Sindhis and New Sindhis (Mohajirs). Now obviously, Punjabis are a different story altogather but as I had explained before; I have forgiven but not forgotten for the betterment of the nation: Pakistan.

    Our real threat today is this Islamic militancy and ideology of “Political Islam”. Let’s fight it out together.


  32. barrister on January 23rd, 2009 @ 12:44 am

    Thanks Kabirdas Bhaiya!

    Apart from more mainstream, YAC-MQM which is a proper organization with secretariats and funding – I am in a process of of founding something called, MQM-Cyber Shield Project 1+1 with a great friend, Maliha Khan to counter the negative propaganda against MQM.


  33. rockfella25 on January 23rd, 2009 @ 3:42 pm

    If only it were a "propaganda" , as i said, if you would only look under the carpet, but will you?


  34. kabirdas on January 23rd, 2009 @ 10:08 pm

    @ rockfella25 on January 23rd.

    Since when people have started hiding their skeltons under the carpet. I thought they always hid their skeltons and still do hide them in their closets:-)


  35. Adnan Siddiqi (adnansiddiqi) on January 23rd, 2009 @ 10:10 pm

    AK47 haaha. Socially deprived? eh? :-)

    if I am a religious thug then there need to be one to deal with a secular thug like you. ;)


  36. kabirdas on January 23rd, 2009 @ 10:18 pm

    @ barrister on January 23rd.

    A very good idea! However, my advice in this regard will be not to counter the negative propaganda against MQM by negative propaganda against others. When a negative hits another negative it becomes positive only in the strange world of maths and not in any other area of human activity.



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