The Poet & The Pragmatist

 Iqbal was a spiritual poet, Jinnah a secular lawyer. Iqbal studied the Quran and compared it to western philosophy, Jinnah studied constitutional law. Iqbal saw in a separate country the chance to re-imagine Islam, Jinnah saw it as a way to secure the rights of his Muslim nation from the tyranny of a democratic majority. Iqbal hoped to separate geography from nationality and help humanity rise to its united potential, Jinnah hoped to separate bigotry from the state and make all people equal before law.


 Two men, one spirit. The spirit of human liberation from dogma, persecution & poverty. The spirit of a New World Order. An order based on tolerance, justice & human dignity.


There’s only one difference between them: Iqbal dreamed and Jinnah delivered.


We’re children of two men who imagined a different world. Will we make the most of this opportunity, this responsibility, this possibility?


Join in to see ten people explore the vision of Jinnah & Iqbal.


Speakers include: Ramla Akhtar, Khalid Mohammad, Mohammad Nawaz, Tahir Attarwala, Jamal Ashiqain, Imtiaz N. Mohammad, Imran Khan, Salaina Haroon


Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009

Venue: The Second Floor (T2F), Kh-e-Ittehad, Phase 7, DHA

Time: 7:00pm – 8:30pm

136 Comments so far

  1. kabirdas on February 3rd, 2009 @ 8:14 pm

    @ Kaami on February 1st, 2009

    Today I went to my local library. I found there 5 volumes of Tafhimul Quran; Volumes 2 to 6. As always happens in such cases the volume 1 which I was looking for was on loan. Anyway I will see the volume 1 in some book shop now.

  2. بستنی (wasiq) on February 3rd, 2009 @ 9:54 pm

    today at tea time i watched "partition" on starMovies….a canadian production….in place of shahrukh there is jimi mistry…as gayn…who sees a tragic end at the hands of ….mughalpura inc…

    @ Balma jee…yeah toh apni apni kismat hai…but its not fair to out right reject the the story of the man….if there are signs of physical and sexual torture….lets not be gender biased just to show off .
    personally i don’t feel ashamed in anyway in saying that even when the number is just one or ten…a forced breakin and entry is out of the question….i’ll probably have my moustache shaved….iam no angel or a saint….so can I stand firm if there is motivation and inclination…well I don’t think I can answer that for sure….sometimes you don’t have to be under the influence of intoxicant to be turned on…and not even by the whole group…maybe by just one in the group….
    for further details you can see kamasutra animated on the web….

    mein hosh main mast o bey khud
    woh masti main bhi hoshiar…

  3. Adnan Siddiqi (adnansiddiqi) on February 3rd, 2009 @ 10:13 pm

    Khaled, Balma already replied about your fetishm about Panties so I better move on.

    Just to say that rejecting MQM doesn’t mean embracing Zardari,Imran,Qazi Hussain etc etc. seesh.. grow up guys!

  4. kabirdas on February 4th, 2009 @ 12:14 am

    @ balma
    I have not been able to follow this particular issue. However, the comments of Kabir Das on your comments are as follows:

    You say: " I don’t know about this guy in twenties, but this naacheez still will be quicker than the quickest man if proposed by three women at the same time."
    KD says: Will the naacheeze be quicker than the quickest person for a ‘fight or flight’ ‘that is the question?’ Sir, you sound like a hero of a Punjabi movie to me. As far as this bandae haqeer pur az taqseer is concerned he will take a flight if he doesn’t faint when proposed by three females at the same time.

    You say:" Abay, yeh tou her sehetmund aadmi kee aik fantasy hae bhai. Kyaa khyaal hae KabirDas sahib?"
    KD says: To have a fantasy and to face that very fantasy if turned into a reality are two different things.

    BaRa shore suntay thay pehloo maiN dil ka
    Jo cheera To ik katrae khooN na nikla

  5. kabirdas on February 4th, 2009 @ 12:30 am

    @ balma
    You guys seem to be still fussing about panties. For Christ sake man wake up. Get with it. It is 21st century. It is an age of ‘thongs’. Panties are old fashioned and relics of the past:-)

  6. barrister on February 4th, 2009 @ 6:07 am

    Ah, sorry had been away …so what did I miss…? Panties, Thongs..? Err…KD, App Say Tu Qisay Sunnay Parain Gay… waisay chotay mian tu chotay mian (Balma) baray mian tu subhan Allah……BTW, I have a fetish for thongs! absolutely brrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!

    This Adnan.S beard should be forced to clean-shaved and hanged!

  7. balma on February 4th, 2009 @ 8:42 am

    aray vakeelya, itnaa ghussaa. Baaz daaRhee valay bhee bohut cute hotay hai’n. I don’t think this guy has a daaRhee.

    Just looking at thongs makes me feel like ‘kuchh choub rahaa hae" mujhae….if you know what I mean. Ab balmaa ko tou aab sub jaantay hai’n: Mae nay khwateen say poochhaa keh bhaii yeh choubta tou nahi’n hae…kehtee hai’n nahi’n. But i don’t trust them. Yeh, kambakht mariyaa’n jub high heels pehen saktee hai’n, tou yeh thongs bhee pehen saktee hai’n. I think for real test, I will have to try one myself. Then I can write a PhD dissertation on thongs:-) hahahah

    I am getting out of line here, I guess.. jamaliyaa mujhae censor kar dae!
    I won’t mind.

    KabirDas sahib, you are right. Dreams and reality are two different things. Yes, I have seen a few Panjabi movies and I think Shahid etc are/were quite ghabroo javaans.

    Urdu movies vaisay hee khatam ho gayee’n, aur Pakistan kee Pnjabi movies aikdum ghatyaa ho gaee’n. Kyaa ho gaa is qaum kaa?

  8. بستنی (wasiq) on February 4th, 2009 @ 1:02 pm

    @Balma jee….aap censor ki baat kar rahey ho…woh toh media pakistan se seeday Romeo kay pechey nikal liay….aab toh khula khata hai…chahay toh Thong warna sirf boongh….nulli..mughaz…fry…apni plate apna paid…!lol
    chubney wali baat se toh mein bhi agree karooun ga…but maybe for some it’s not a sensitive area like most…of us.

    Barrister sab ko ghussa bahut jaldi aagata hai…woh khetey hain nak pey rakha….his big brothers have no say in the affairs of pakistan/india never was….this is a sad reality…

  9. khaled90 on February 4th, 2009 @ 1:20 pm

    @ Adnan

    Its a male instinct, let me guess about your instinct !!

    I got yah adnan!!!

    You are the one caught red handed molesting a young male child in maderssah !!!!

    as far as Imran khan ex wife is concern i can’t take my eye away from this lovely pose of hers.

  10. بستنی (wasiq) on February 4th, 2009 @ 1:59 pm

    thank God I did not attend the meet ups…other wise all these poison dipped arrows would have been targetted at me…siddiqui sab…3 o’clock…ouch!

  11. kabirdas on February 5th, 2009 @ 12:28 am

    @ barrister on February 4th.

    Don’t pay heed to what chotay miaN tells you. As I said earlier on he is just like a Punjabi film hero. Lot of hot air. If you want to learn something about panties and thongs listen to what baRay miaN has to tell about them:-)

    BTW I believe to clear Karachi of Punjabis you are thinking of cutting down all the bushes in Karachi:-) A good idea. No more bushes, no more Punjabis hiding behind them:-)

  12. Adnan Siddiqi (adnansiddiqi) on February 5th, 2009 @ 12:29 am

    @khaled: thanks for letting me know the MQM’s version of civilization on this blog. Greatly appreciated. Your Faiza Gabool Bhabi would be feelin proud of you.

    @Chudhary AK47 sahib kia hogyaa? sab khair hay? why are you being so deprived? hain?

  13. kabirdas on February 5th, 2009 @ 12:38 am

    @ balma on February 4th.
    " Just looking at thongs makes me feel like ‘kuchh choub rahaa hae" mujhae….if you know what I mean."

    No I don’t know what you mean. Thong pahna kissi aur nay ho aur chubhan aap ko ho rahi ho?? If the wearer of a thong doesn’t mind the pinch what goes of my father meaning maray baap ka kia jata hay.

  14. بستنی (wasiq) on February 5th, 2009 @ 1:16 am

    @siddiqui sab…..apna Barrister sab aur party busy hoain gay…kaam main…warna apni sardak sal mein doh dafa nahein banti…?

    @ balmaa jee…yeah karafilm waloon ney final screening on the last day jo film rakhi hai….woh with thong hai ya…

    @Facebook waloon ko meri aur meri shrink ki janib se panchveen salgirah mubarak….

    Happy birthday to you…

  15. barrister on February 5th, 2009 @ 1:47 am

    Milord, Itna Bara Ilzaam..? I never said Karachi should be cleaned off from Punjabis but yes, I have advocated against the brutality of Punjab; criminal silence of Punjabis and Institutional and Economic Discrimination of Punjab; sentiments of atleast 3 out of 4 provinces and 1 state (Kashmir)

    I have nothing against Allahditas but yes, I am against Badar(s), Chaudry(s) (just an example) who loot and plunder our wealth; kill our people; consider themselves patriotic and other’s traitors…and now when we (MQM) put on table the 18th Resolution asking for “FULL PROVINCIAL AUTONOMY” as promised by Jinnah on 23rd March, 1940 and later promised in 1973 Constitution ; we are called “Munjeebs” …well Sir, this is an honor…

    Thongs vs Panties : Point taken!

    Khaled Bhai, Yeh iss Adnan Jamaati ka R.Rona Khatan Nahi Hoga! LOL

  16. khaled90 on February 5th, 2009 @ 2:59 am

    @ adnan
    i don’t know about Faiza Gabol but Imran Khan Ex wife is quite proud with hugh grant without clothes and even the, punjabi nationalist party PML(N) Jamat e Islami and Imran and his supporters are very proud to receive this lady in anti mush rally in and outside Pakistan.

  17. khaled90 on February 5th, 2009 @ 3:02 am

    @ Barrister and Kabirdas

    There is a Fatwa (Religious Decree) i want you to read :D


    Is praying salat after an Imam who has believes that Abu-Ala-Mawdudi, the leader of Jamat-e-Islami party in Pakistan, is great religious scholar & researcher, valid?

    Answer 841

    The Salaat behind such a person will be valid, but Makrooh (reprehensible).

    And Allah Taãla Knows Best.

    Was salaam

    Mufti Ebrahim Desai

  18. بستنی (wasiq) on February 5th, 2009 @ 10:01 am

    today is a holiday…!subah se he chahal pehal hai….i am not sure what message should I send to the nation ,kashmiri’s and siddiqui sab…
    no matter what you politicians and journalists say about today….I won kashmir fair and square…still I am holding out for an American born kashmiri…who out wit me in all respects and is also capable.otherwise…God Bless America.

    lets see how Barrister sab and the friends….react to pure insanity..!

  19. Adnan Siddiqi (adnansiddiqi) on February 5th, 2009 @ 2:15 pm

    khaled if she rejected you for hugh grantt then why are you getting deprived? this is not good. Fine you didn’t see happiness in life but it doesnt mean you make a fuss of others lives. Treat others well..keep smiling. Allah will bless you then.. don’t get upset. InshaAllah u will also have a life partner. save your fantasies for her.

    Chudhary Ak47: now I am jamati? first punjabi then Imran supporter and now Jamati. wow. you never miss a chance to entertain me with your ignorance.

  20. balma on February 5th, 2009 @ 8:22 pm

    Thong pahna kissi aur nay ho aur chubhan aap ko ho rahi ho??


    Ussee may naazuk-mizaajee koot koot kar bharee huee hae! sirf soach kar jhourjhouree aa jaatee hae!

  21. kabirdas on February 5th, 2009 @ 10:11 pm

    @ balma

    Wah! maza aa gaya yeh jawab soun kar. I always appreciate a good question and more than that a good reply.
    Strange though it may sound : Ab thongs ka souch kar mujhay be kuch chubhan see mahsoos honay lagi hay.

  22. kabirdas on February 5th, 2009 @ 10:26 pm

    @ barrister

    Barrister bhai do take a ‘panga’ with Punjabis if you have to. There I may even be able to support you. But for God sake don’t take a ‘panga’ with these bearded guys particulary the ones having free flowing untrimmed beards. There I will denounce you. They consider their beards as a licence to kill any one in the name of Allah. I don’t know about you but I don’t like to be killed particulary by slitting of my throat:-)

  23. kabirdas on February 5th, 2009 @ 10:47 pm

    @ khaled90 on February 5th.

    Thanks for the info. I know how these thekedars and alambardars of Islam have been passing such Fatwas against each other to build their own one and a half brick mosques. As a matter of fact it was a good thing that they remained busy pulling down each other like that and found no time to find faults with the faith of others. Now that they have started imposing their brand of religion on every one else I repudiate and denounce all of them.

  24. بستنی (wasiq) on February 6th, 2009 @ 6:12 am

    thanks….there was chaos in the newsroom…i felt it…cannot further elaborate it may seem like my personal blog..but it is not…unfortunately….so rest assured….do i look like i am holding on to anything..right now….holding out is more politically correct..for it.

    @ balma jee….is any of the big names in pakistan fashion designing the Thongs….I like samar mehdi very much…wonder why she is not…?
    as far as the chuban is concerned and this may sound like re-tract from my previous comment….but i realized only last night that some fabrics and material are so soft that instead of the chubhan you feel relaxed….no i have not tried the thong…i only saying this from my experience of the socks….i have socks from Rs 20 to over 20 pounds and trust me there is huge difference….some you want to take off asap and others you never want to….maybe that is the case with the thongs as well….but pheir bhi narrdaay bandh kay chalna mushkil zaroor hota ho ga…

    Rahee na taqaat ay per waaz per….

  25. kabirdas on February 6th, 2009 @ 12:59 pm

    Let me add to my above comments as follows:

    This morning while buying chickens it just occured to me that these guys perhaps don’t say Takbeer either before slitting the throat which makes it worse than the sliting the throat of a chicken.

    Few weeks back when they got hold of Shabana a local singer in Swat they took her to town square for the slaughter in full view of public. She made her last wish that she may be killed by a bullet and not by sliting of her throat. They showed some softness in their heart and obliged her by killing her by a bullet in her head.

    When Kabir Das read this in the news papers (The News) he didn’t cry as usual. He couldn’t. He just felt so sick that he rushed to his bathroom and threw up.

  26. khaled90 on February 6th, 2009 @ 1:22 pm

    @ Adnan
    Jemima didn’t reject me , she kicked imran azz for Hugh Grant so please correct yourself.

  27. balma on February 6th, 2009 @ 8:06 pm

    I just can’t believe what is going on in Swat, Mr. KabirDas. Amazing. just amazing. Inn haraamiyo’n keh paas aslahaah kaha’n say aa rahaa hae?
    Amreeki, Roosi, PK army…who is providing them aslahaah.

    BaiTay Wasiq, agar 20 pound kaa mozaa bhi dou unglio’n kay darmiyaan may phans jayae tou kaafi nagavaar lagtaa hae….unless, toum oos may bhee mazay laitay hou? hmmmm!

    Enough is enough. I will have to ask couple of khwaateen saaf, saaf. Yeh, peechhay choubtaa hae yaa nahi’n? I will report in a week or so.

  28. بستنی (wasiq) on February 6th, 2009 @ 8:10 pm

    @ Balma jee….from swat..?????;p

  29. kabirdas on February 7th, 2009 @ 12:12 am

    @ balma on February 6th.
    You are not the only one who finds it hard to believe what is going on in Swat these days. The question as to from where they are getting all the sophisticated arms and ammunition and state of the art communication equipment is being voiceferiously raised in the media these days. Please sometime find time to look at The Dawn or The News on the internet to know about what is going on in Swat.
    Right now these Talibans are in full control of Swat. Pakistan army has failed miserably there. Government of Pakistan has postponed the opening of whatever schools are left there till normalcy returns to the area which may not in near future. The two key demands of Swati Taliban are implementation of Shariah as they see it and banning of girls education altogether and only madrassa education for boys.
    I will stop at this and say no more lest I am accused of some kind of blesphemy and declared wajubul quatal by slitting of the throat without even saying a Takbeer.

  30. kabirdas on February 7th, 2009 @ 12:30 am

    @ balma
    "Enough is enough. I will have to ask couple of khwaateen saaf, saaf. Yeh, peechhay choubtaa hae yaa nahi’n? I will report in a week or so."

    Take your time but when you are at it you may as well ask them about the chubbhan at the front as well because when looking at them I feel more chubbhan at the front than at the back. By the way I have reason to believe that these garments, if garments they may be called, are made of leather. I wonder how soft modern technology can make a leather piece.

    I often wonder if the real pleasure of a thong lies in its taking off like the pleasure of a pinching shoe on its taking off !!

  31. kabirdas on February 7th, 2009 @ 2:24 am

    Food for thought:
    Kabir Das has suddenly decided to get away from it all and go to his sanctum in snow bound Murree hills for the weekend for some much needed contemplation. Before he does that he wants to leave (without his own comments) for his friends the following quote of Rainer Maria Rilke from his famous book The Notebooks of Malte Laurids Brigge as food for thought to chew and digest during their spare time over the weekend:

    "Is it possible that nothing important or real has yet been seen or known or said? Is it possible that mankind has had thousands of years in which to observe, reflect, record but allowed this time to slip by, like the recess interval at school in which one eats a sandwich and an apple?
    Yes, it is possible.
    Is it possible that the whole history of the world has been misuuderstood? —-
    Yes, it is possible.
    Is it possible that these people know with perfect accuracy a past that has never existed? Is it possible that their life runs on, unconnected with anything, like a watch in an an empty room?
    Yes, it is possible—-
    But if all that is possible, then surely something must be done. The first comer— must begin to do some of the neglected things—there is no one at hand."

  32. balma on February 7th, 2009 @ 3:03 am

    Kabirdas sahib, while you are in Murree, please consider my solution for this ghundagardi in Pakistan:

    Other than basic rights kind of things, such as universal education and right to work etc, if people in certain districts want certain rules, I think they should be allowed to do so.

    I have a great difficulty in writing this, but people in swat want to live in the dark ages, I think they should be allowed. If Karachi local government wants to set up a university, they should be allowed. Similarly, if people in Swat want to live in a certain way…or the idiots elsewhere want to have certian laws locally, they should be allowed.

    But, here is the catch: there should be elections for the local governments, and then the local governments can decide rules and regulations specific to their customs and region.

    Of course, basic rights (education, work, right to shave, walking without burqua) should be part of the feneral law: i.e. each man 9or woman) is legally permitted to shave….etc

    Besides that, let these swatis and stupidos screw themselves up by having the so-called shariat law.

  33. balma on February 7th, 2009 @ 3:10 am

    And, KabirDas, while you enjoy your weekend reading philosophical stuff, I will like to remind you that I never thought that thongs cause chubhan in front. They are pretty wide in front (step into some ladies undergarment shop in Murree if you can to have a more detailed look!), it is the string that comes from behind that I find deadly and that gives me jhurjhuree:-)

    And,leather? Bhai jan, leather kay thongs izzat-daar aurtai’n nahi’n pehentee’n!
    Kahaa’n aanaa jaanaa hae, aaj kal?

  34. kabirdas on February 9th, 2009 @ 12:04 am

    @ Balma

    Sir, always think twice before arguing with Kabir Das on such or any other matter:-) Please look at the latest designs of Thongs such as Brazilion thongs and then let me know why an ordinary mortal like Kabir Das wouldn’t feel Chubbhan at the front. Once you have had a look at the latest trend of Thongs please admit your ignorance of this subject here on KMB:-)
    I did spend two excellent days in solitude; hiking, reading and thinking about philosiphical stuff like why wear thongs at all when they reveal all and hide nothing:-)

  35. kabirdas on February 9th, 2009 @ 12:22 am

    @ Balma

    Sir, once I did step in a ladies garment shop not in Murree but in Islamabd. I didn’t find any thongs there. I did find host of Hijabs/Nikabs of latest designs. Some of these designs were such that Kabir Das felt a strange jhurjhuree all over his body. He quickly got out of this show room blaming not the design of these Hijabs/Nikabs for this strange jhurjhuree which he felt but his tender age:-)

    Balma bhai please remember that in all cases from Thongs to Nikab you will find:

    Ishq ka zooke nizara muft maiN baDnam hay
    Husan khood baitab hay jalway dikhany kay liay

  36. بستنی (wasiq) on February 9th, 2009 @ 2:04 am

    apna cable guy toh seriously pressure main agiya hai….na maloom ab kis hotel ki aaiee…tamaam hotel malikan se guzarish hai kay woh overdue insurance premium jaldh ada kardein aur ziyada se ziyada homeless people ko khana khilaein…shukria.

    Uss ney jab mujh se kiya ahhaad ay wafa aahista…

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