Long March begins under section 144
Long march begins today from Karachi as section 144 is in place. The so called democratic setup has decided to crack down any attempt by people to use their DEMOCRATIC RIGHT. While criminals and gangs can roam around freely people cant protest and the infamous pretext is same, to safeguard the life and property of the ordinary man, who is no where in gov. priorities that remained busy distributing ministries for an year now. Our predictions regarding a corrupt setup after elections last year came very much true. The NROrified leadership is heading good way to sink whatever left while a militant group is in coalition to support it in Sindh. No law bears anyone from peaceful protest but the fact that current leadership is a den of corrupt, incompetent, selfish and opportunist gangs proves that RULE OF LAW and JUSTICE are a far cry here. JC in his recent article hinted that REHMAN DAKAIT from Liyari may be ZARDARi’s man to disrupt lawyers movement and with our ever capable police i hardly see anything peaceful coming in lawyers way especially when establishment is itself CORRUPTED while Washington also says that “current democratic setup should continue” signaling that they are also with ZARDARi as he is doing well to beat Musharraf in Puppet competition. While gov shakes hands with MILITANTs from swat, its afraid of few thousand unarmed lawyers, proving my point that Mr. Musharraf had laid the foundation of politics of gun (remember May 12 ??) that dictates that peaceful movements will be crushed and those who take up arms will be negotiated. [Image: PKpolitics].
ZARADRI / NAWAZ SHARIF / MUSHRAF DAMAGE PAKISTAN, WE WANT BANGLDESH TYPE OF GOVT WHICH THEY DONE LAST 2 YEAR.
ALL PLAYING FOR THEIR OWN IN PAKISTAN, NOBODY WANT PAKISTAN FIRST.
Nawaz and Punjab are taking Pakistan towards another Martial Law, Because the General now is not Mohajir.
All the Crap against Mush was just because he was Mohajir and as Zardari is also not Punjabi the same is against him
As soon as the Army take over we will see how punjab which is against army and dictators react,
They Will welcome Martial Law, note that, and no one in punjab will come out on the street against that martial law against the dictator and will forget all the democracy.
as far as pkpolitics is concern, the site didn’t allow anyone to post against Iftikhar chaudhry, they are the biggest loosers and dictators.
Shame on them.
Pakistan is the only country where mentally retarded MPAz pass resolution in support of a thief . . hahaha…. We sure deserve people like ZARDARI
http://express.com.pk/images/NP_LHE/20090312/Sub_Images/1100583807-1.gif
ZARDARI-HITLER -MUSH , so many similarities in personalities, unbelievable :
http://express.com.pk/images/NP_LHE/20090312/Sub_Images/1100583857-2.gif
Plus a glimpse of the ULTIMATE opportunist Mr. Diesel:
http://express.com.pk/images/NP_LHE/20090312/Sub_Images/1100583808-1.gif
Hey where ppl, how come i havent read any long speeches about democracy/ how great Ifthikhar chaudry is.
Where is that lady journalist who got arrestd for supporting the judges last year.
Thandi paar gai kya sab.
Pakistani Awaam dhakan hay har dosra banda bewaqoof banata hay !
or hum bantay chalay jatay hain !
aaj say theek ek mahinay pehlay humaray Ganju sir Nawaz uncle nay kaha thaa kay Waqla Tehreek khatam ho chuki hay ! hukomat un kee behti to hphir waqla tehkrik kee good main agayay donon bhai,
1999 main 1971 ka ion suspend hoa , PCO per oath lenay walay judges main humaray "muhtaram Muheb-e-Watan or Insaaf pasand" judge Iftikhaar sahab bhi thay ,
Pervez Musharaf sahab ko 3 saal kee muhlat denay walay yahi judges thay , halankay Pervaiz musharaf nay 3 mahinay mangay thay,
jab un kee kursi per laat mari, to in ko khayal aya kay, Insaaf bhi koi cheez hoti hay !or hamaray andhee awaam, or andhi awaam ko bewaqoof bananay walay siasatdan un kay saath mulk ko tabah kernay main lagain hain,
PPP or PML N donon apna roop dekha chukeen hain, woh to Shehbaz shareef sahab disqualify ho gayay , is liay PML N nay phir wukla tehreek main shumuliat ikhtyaar kerlee, warna sirf 10-20 kalay coat walay or 10-20 so called "civil Society " walay jungle queen kee tarah parliament kay bahar naach rahay hotay.
Mazahika khaiz baat yeh hay, kay Nawaz Shareef ko jis faislay kee aima per na ehl kaha gaya hay , woh faisla kisi or nay nahi humara Iftikhar uncle nay hee sunaya thaa !
or dosri muzahika khaiz baat yeh kay, PPP saaf inkaar ker chuki hay hum iftikhar uncle ko bahaal nahi keraingay , or Wuqla tehreek ko lead kernay walay hazrat , koi or nahi PPP kay hee member hain, jin ka aaj bhi bayan ayaa thaa kay "MERI PARTY AIK AISEE PARTY KAY SAATH ILHAAQ KER KAY PUNJAAB MAIN HUKOMAT NAHI BANAYAY GEE JIS KO QATIL LEAGUE KAHA GAYA"
yani muhtaram abhi tak baray garv say PPP ko apni party kehtay hain,
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I feel so proud of my country ! and countrymen
I read somehwere that police was phainTee-ing some idiots near the Toll Plaza. What a stupid idea! These idiots should be facilitated in their efforts to go away from Karachi. Their exit from Karachi should be made easy, but their re-entry should be made impossible.
Bhaiyoun and ladies, can you imagine a Karachi free of jamati bastards, trouble making vakeels, and so on. jaanay-dou inn kamino’n ko, nah roko!
We need police in Karachi which thinks of the betterment of Karachi. Why is the corrupt police stopping these trouble makers from leaving Karachi is Allama Balma’s question?
And, as a Karachiite, regardless of my ethnciity, why will I support my fat brain Kashmiri bradari bhai over Zardari, when I know that Navaz is no better than Zardari and in fact an enemy of Karachi?
Zardari at least will not like Karachi to burn. Navaz will gloat if Karachi burns.
Also, at this time we need a see eye ae chamchaa to run Pakistan. Bhaaiyou’n aur khwaateen, haalaat ghambeer hai’n…we can not have jazbati idiots like navaz or Imran khan running Pakistan. When you have no education, no technology, no economy, no natural resource to sell, oobalti huee aabaadi, ghurbat, aflaas, bhook, nangay bhookay jahil low-IQ awaam, then no use giving Panjabi style bhaRkiyaa’n. We need See Eye Aye agents to run Pakistan for a while.
@ Khalid90
Sir, your comments bringing in ethnisity of protagonists in the ongoing turmoil as a factor has saddened me a great deal. I consider some of them good and some of them bad but look at all of them as Pakistanis and not as Sindhi, Mohajir or Punjabi. I promise you there is a very large number of Punjabis, if not all, who think like me. And I am sure there may be a large number of Mohajirs and Sindhi also who think like me.
Sir, may I request you to judge these characters purely from what they are doing for the country and the nation without taking their ethnisity into consideration.
Kabirdas:
Useless hope fellow. . .
Few people have this ethnic hate chip built-in that just can’t be removed.
If I were running the show, I will run free trains (please note I said trains) from Cantt and City railway station in Karachi to Islamabad.
I would hope all gund-ballaa will take advantage and leave Karachi for good, hopefully. Down country trains will then have strict enforcement of tickets….i.e. no free rides as is currently the case! And, law suits against the well off troufble makers….like mr. Ghaffoor (aaj tak yeh nah pattah challaa keh yeh dramay baaz aakhir professor hae kaha’n per), all other jamatis, and all the vakeels and all the amir-ul-momineen’s friends…..like that jaali haleem siddiqui (I wonder yeh kahaan kay captain hai’n?).
jaali professors, jaali captains, jaali doctors (one on our own KMB), all charlatans!
Yaar ye Ali Ahmed Kurd is a very josheela naujawaN, taqreer kartey huey ye pura hilta he, mujhey dar he ke ek din ye apni gardan khod hi torey ga.
@baalma, I would hope all gund-ballaa will take advantage and leave Karachi for good,
phir to sara karachi khali ho jaye ga bhai sahib or bihar bhar jaye ga.
and all the amir-ul-momineen’s friends
lol…balma sahib ye keera kia he in logoN ki dimagh meN, why these morons behave like a complete retard?
Odin: I hope you are loling on my play on words: All the King’s men;-)
Look, I have no problem with the rule of law in Pakistan, but I refuse any dramaybazi like French Revolution, Iranian Revolution, or Taliban Revolution. No kidding!
I think Aitezaas Hussain is cute, Kabirdas and his type are sincere, and all that, but I can’t have one crook i.e. hopefull Amir-ul-Momineen take advantage of this afraatafree and grab the government through a back door by disloding another crook Zardari. Why not? Becuase, Zardari is now my son-of-a-bitch! Because he is more sympathetic to Karachi.
And, didn’t amir-ul-momineen refuse a commercial plane to land? Was that legal? Wasn’t that an attempt to murder hundreds of passengers? Will the vakeels and judges address this issue first?
There should at least be a life imprisonment for that, if not death sentence. What is he doing out on streets and playing politics-politics?
voh saalaa amir-ul-momineen kabhi meray saamnay aa jaae, tou saalay ko aisaa lahori paich lagaao’n gaa, keh seedhaa GavalManDi bhaagay gaa!
For once I am sitting outside and enjoying this.
I have extreme dis-regard for all the parties involved including Lawyers,
Zardari, Nawaz Sharif, Jammaat, PTI, Journalists and Politicians performing in this circus.
Balma Jee, I agree 100%, if it was upto Nawaz all the Corporate offices would have been shifted to ISB a long time ago. Also, since Jamaatee propaganda machinery world wide have made Zardari their new target, so for once my sympathies (not support) are with that guy. As they say, "Enemy of my enemy is my friend"
Kabir Das, Good luck to you mate and that’s with all sincerity. Hope, as you desire this should become a prelude to the much hyped "Rule of Law" and not Chaos or another screwed up revolution.
Again if the people of this country have an uncontrollable desire to get screwed (as they have demonstrated), no one should stop them?
Chashm ay badh dur….Allah karey chacho ki umer bhi sab ko lag jai…
oh yeah, I wasn’t even talking about industry. Who can forget the sale of MCB to Mian Mansha. If I remember correctly the founding family of MCB (Isphahanis) was in line with the bid..perhaps the highest? I don’t remember now. Adamjee was in line too. Both had financial industry experience (Adamjee has an insurance company). Now, I don’t really know much about Mansha’s financial industry experience at that time…..but may I ask why Amir-ul-Crookeen’s government gave the bank to Manshaa.
Balma oos per bhee khaaamoosh ho gayae. Keh, politics may tou yeh sub haraami pun hotaa hee hae! Aur, kaun say Isphahanis or Adamjees meray chaachay-maamay lagtay hai’n…as we say in Panjabi….except Adamjees have some contribution towards my education…but I didn’t really care for them…..But, I was bit pissed off at the bank’s fate.
In true " Let bygones be by gones spirit", when I saw Mian Mansha mentioned as the richest man of Pakistan in a Bloomberg Magazine article on him, and when I saw that the magazine in its article on him valued his worth at 4 Billion dollars….I did feel good…that, oh, apnay munDay bhee billionires kee saf may shaamil ho gaaye hai’n….and since nobody is perfect, so what if Mansha made money with some hanky panky….so what!
It was last December or this January issue of theBloomberg Magazine.
Anyway, the point of this whole laila-majnoon story is that Navaz Sharif is not Shareef. He should either be hung for attempted murder or atleast imprisoned for life. And, this vakeel movement should not make us ‘aasmaan say giray – khajoor may aTkay’ by helping NAvaz Sharif come to power. They have already done it once…by helping Zardari replace Mushee.
@ kaami
" I have extreme dis-regard for all the parties involved including Lawyers,Zardari, Nawaz Sharif, Jammaat, PTI, Journalists and Politicians performing in this circus."
Simply put what you are saying is that you are above all prejudices. You hate them all equally. Don’t blame you for taking such a position. However, I would have liked if you had excluded the lawyers from this lot.
" Hope, as you desire this should become a prelude to the much hyped "Rule of Law" and not Chaos or another screwed up revolution."
Although they say there is a lull before every storm my personal experience of storms at sea is that there is a lull, peace and quiet after evry storm. And then like Omar Khyyam:
I sometime think that never blows so red
The Rose as where some buried Caeser bled
Kaami, wish me rule of law or wish me death. That is my position which I have taken after two years of hard thinking.
@Balma jee …aji huzoor…yeah long marach ka MCB sey kya tallak…woh bhi jab kay MCB is the only privatized bank that is giving its share holders more dividents and showing profits than any of the isphi’s tabani’s or the adamjee’s (rc’s parsi’s or the buckshee’s)….kya aap yeah kehna chah rahey ho kay MCB ko bhi sharifoun ki tarhan treat kiya jai….aur mansha jee sey ley kay kisi memon bachi to thal main rakh kay dey dein takey woh uss ki bhi wat laga dey….?
Government has stopped lawyers from entering into Jackobabad, now Ali A. Kurd along with his lawyers sitting somewhere on Sindh-Balochistan border and presenting his usual purjosh oration.
Balama sahib, I don’t understand how can adliya ki azaadi be related to Iftikhar’s reinstatement. But all my hamdardian are with lawyers – lawyers like Ali Ahmed Kurd, Munir, Aitezaz Ahsan, Iqbal Haider, Saeed-uz-Zaman and many others come over as quite sincere and patriotic people, two traits that almost all of our politicians lack.
kabirdas, Kaami, wish me rule of law or wish me death.
Just because you also seem to be a fan of Omar Khay’yam,
Ah, make the most of what we yet may spend,
Before we too into the Dust descend;
Dust into Dust and under Dust to lie,
Sans Wine, sans Song, sans Sinder and sans End;
Wasiq,
MCB kaa long march say yeh taaluq hae keh Kaami sahib nay kahaa thaa keh Amir-ul-crookeen kaa buss chaltaa tou voh sub HQs Islamabad lay jaatay:-)
aur Kaami Sahib nay yeh iss liyae kahaa keh mae nay Zardari ko pyaar say my son-of-a-bitch bolaa thaa….and I was discussing why from Karachi’s narrow point of view, Zardari is better than Amir-ul-bayImaaneen.
NExt time, please read the whole trail before beech may Taang aRaanay say:-)
And, what does it mean by Vat lagaanaa?
Odin sahib, did I say something about Iftikhaar’s bahaali or something. I talk so much that I don’t remember some times!
Or was that just a food-for-thought on your part?
@balma,Odin sahib, did I say something about Iftikhaar’s bahaali or something.
No, you didn’t…lekin apni qeemti raye se agah kareN is silsley meN, kabirdas can also put some light on this matter.
I think no matter the past kartoots of ‘a’ Chief Justice of Pakistan, it should not be possible for few fauji boys to invite him/her to their place and ask him/her to resign. There should be a civilized procedure for removing the chief justice of Pakistan.
Laikin, jaisay avaam hai’n, vaaisee hee amal hai’n.
Having said this, I am 110% sure that Amir-ul-bayImaaneen has no respect for any judge. He is the one who sent his ghundas to the high court building in Lahore. Judges and police say to mujh jaisaa shareef aadmi Durtaa hae, not people like Navaz Shareef or Zardari or XYZ:-)
Oowahoway … Zardari Ko nazar na lagay bilko musharraf lag raha hay … kasam say :)
@Balma jee….sir you mentioned MCB…kami sab did not….kami sab and I are ** sitting outside and enjoying this….**
it is you who seem to have a personal grudge or enmity against the MCB…kya baat hai kya aap ka koi check bounce ho giya hai…aur jahan taang ardaa ney ki baat hai…toh…yehan toh sub khinch rahey hain….lol
@firstofficer…..madame aap ney woh nehein sunna hamari aik friend allah unnhey jannat naseeb karey kehtein thein…
Aap jaisa koi meri zindagi mein aaay
toh Baap bann jai han han baap ban jai….!
I wanted to go to islamabadad…soch raha hoon kala koat pehan ker beth jaon ticket ke paisay bach jain gay
@ fasee
Aur agar pakRay gay tau 100 onion khanay houN gay ya phir 100 jootay as per standard punishment of Punjab police for this kind of offence. They give you the option to choose onions or jootay and may change your mind when the punishment is in progress one way or the other. And by the time this punishment is completed you would end up eating 100 onions and 100 jootay as so often happens when this punishment is carried out and the offender keep changing his mind .
@ odin on March 13th
And also OK goes on to say:
The Wordly Hope men set their Hearts upon
Turn Ashes—or it prospers; and anon,
Like Snow upon the Desaert’s dusty Face,
Lighting a little hour or two—was gone.
I am bewitched by the third line. Like Snow upon the Desert’s dusty Face.
An absolutely beautiful line.
@ KD.
sir aaj kaal mehangai ke dor main i rather doubt they wud offer any piyaaz at all…..haan jotay 100 kiya 200 milain gay coz all polisiyaas had to be movied from many a cities so they will be taking there furstratiions out……
so i guess there is no such thing as a free lunch…..or shud i make a getup of a party leadership…
suna hai leaders ko giriftar naeh ker rahay…sirf chotay logon ko maar raahay hain….huh….and i thought this one was diffrent….always the canon fodder…alwasy the cannon fodder
@ fasee
I will tell you what should you do. Buy your own ticket. Come to Lahore. Find a horse who is available for sale. Make a deal to buy him. Pay some earnest money to him. Then go to a buyer. Make a deal with him to sell your horse to him at some profit allowing 20% cut for our president. You are bound to make a lot of money this way and Punjab police will also be saluting you whereever you went instead of offering you 100 onions or 100 jootay.
I promise you the horse trading is a hot business in Lahore these days. There is no dearth of horses available for sale and the demand for them is all time high. It will be a win win situation for all concerned.
KD would have himself got into this business had he not been too preoccupied with the lure of 72 sehmi hooi houris :-)
@ balma
Agree with most of what you have said. However, the solution suggested by you doesn’t appeal to me. I suggest have the rule of law first no matter how and then all these sons of a gun will gradually get sorted out. Rule of law will be like poison for them. You can’t rid a rat infested house of rats by killing them one by one by physical means. Use poison to rid of them.
@ balma on March 12th
Say what you like to say about all others barring vakeels. I dislike others just as much as you do. Vakeels (the one fighting for rule of law) have turned out to be a great piece of news for the future of Pakistan. Mark my word.
@ KD.
i agree only to the word horase trading..otehrwsie these old scum of earth are not even eligble to be called horses…way far down then to be called human at all….mostly belong to carcass eating vultures tribe.
@ KD on 13th on balma
sir what will change…awam ko sasta insaaf mila karay ga…..property issues will be solved in less then 2 decades per case.?
rape victims wud not be requried to verbally rea nimate the whole scnece infront of 100 horny attandents in adalat
both paty vakeels wont collaborate to skin the parties by extending dates an dtaking tareekhs
will wukala reduce there fees for guraba, below the povertry line ones…??
ya bus uncle ifthikaar media publicity ke lie suomoto action letay rahayhain.
ke wasiq ki masi ne aaj gutter kiyon saaf nai kiya…suomotto action on that….masi hazir huuuuuuuuuuuuuu
1000 – 1500 people came out in karachi including lawyers, in balochistan less 1000 people,
This campaign is solely Punjab and run by Punjabies as punjab is actively out from the power corridors from last 10 years.
Iftikhar Chaudhry took oath on PCO twice,
I ask everyone here, who was the CJ of Pakistan when Supreme court allow Mush to contest election even wearing Army uniform ??
@ fasee
The other day I expressed my views in IMB on a similar kind of subject as follows:
QUOTE.
I wonder why a politician minds it if he is called a dog. Actually a dog has a better reason to mind it. See what a person like Will Durant has to say about a dog in his famous book ‘ The Pleasures of Philosophy’ chapter ‘ God and Immortality’:
" Yes. Why shouldn’t my dog be as immortal as I? I am as brutal to him as Jehovah himself could be; I am selfish, and give him only what I don’t want; I desert him when I like, but he is more faithful to me than Heloise to Abelard. Of the two of us I think he is the better Christian."
It may, therefore, be more appropriate to call a politician a horse because of his willigness to be traded. But then a horse may also get offended by this.
I wouldn’t be surprised if a pig also feel offended when a politician is likened to him. Brings to mind an anecdote which I read the other day:
A biker walks into a yuppie bar and shouts, "All pliticians are assholes!"
He looks around, obviously hoping for a challenge. Finally a guy comes up to him, taps him on the shoulder, and says, "Take that back."
The biker says, "Why? Are you a politician?"
"No, I’m an asshole."
That means you will not be able to equate a politician with an ass hole either. So what do we do? Well, I suppose this being the case just call him what he is. A politician —uncompareable to a dog, a horse, a pig, an ass hole or anything else like that. UNQUOTE
As for your question in regard to what will change, I am afraid you have not yet grasped the true essence of the lawyer’s movement.
@ Khalid90
" 1000 – 1500 people came out in karachi including lawyers, in balochistan less 1000 people,"
If so why block their onward march to Islamabad?
" This campaign is solely Punjab and run by Punjabies as punjab is actively out from the power corridors from last 10 years."
The lawyers movemnet for rule of law started much before the PML-N or PPP leadership was allowed to come back to Pakistan. It was the result of this movement that the leadership of both these parties could return to Pakistan. Whatever the reason for Punjab’s support for this movement my only concern is whether this movement is in the interest of my country or not? And I see rule of law is indeed in the interest of the country as a whole of which Punjab is also a part.
" Iftikhar Chaudhry took oath on PCO twice, "
Pray when was the second time??
" I ask everyone here, who was the CJ of Pakistan when Supreme court allow Mush to contest election even wearing Army uniform ??"
Request review the ruling of the Supreme court before asking this question. This way you can also say that CJ Chaudhri oked the NRO.
@ KD.
fasee admits open heartedly…that the explicet reasons i dont belive, the implict reasons i dont understand……
maybe fasee has burnt his fingers; times too many…and is not intreasted in buying the same thing more.
i mean i apprictae the earnest, honest, yet guileable canon fodder that this movement makes up….but as far as its leadership goes…naaw no t intrested…….
i would like to quote an example i some times give…that our peers used to quote…
you can not clean shit, no matter how much detergent you may use……
form my viewpoint i can safly classify politicians, police, customs, income tax, lawyers, judges, beurucracy into it.
@ fasee
I firmly believe that rule of law will prove to be a poison for those who have been distorting, twisting and playing with the law of the land. It will also prove to be much stronger than any known detergent for cleaning he shit from this country. Mark my word.
Khaled bhai this is for all those who keep on mentioning IFTIKHAR’s PCO in 99:
Iftikhar Ch. Ko mai bi nahi kehta ki farishta hoga but mai toh logic ki baat kerta hun. Agar aik bundey ne galat kaam kia (iftikhar also took PCO in 99) or ab wo kehta hai ki galat nahi karunga (2007) toh kia usko es baat ki saza deni chaiye ki ab kiun sahi kaam kar rahey ho ab bhi dubara se galat karo. Agar baat kursi bachaney ki hoti toh bhai es se acha chance toh tha hee nahi uske pass ki apni lash pash boli lagata 4 GENERALs ke saamney. Us ki value daikho ki usko mananey ke liye bi 4 GENERALS aai thay. He could easily ask a hefy amount with plots and appointment as an ambassador or phir sarai zindagi ayashi.
@ MB.
so by the same standard…will you fiorgvie if fazlu come to you and say main nay toba ker li hai now make me chief minester of pakhtkhuwa…??
@ KD
sir i wish that was true..honestly….but last 15 years were hard times, ugly times, we all have become so corrupt …..ethics of my father’s time have become a liability and what we cherish today un chezon ke liye hamri urdu mian baray buray alfaz huwa kertay thay.
so if by chance any detergent is found…i guess we would solve the overpopluation of pakistan after all…coz 99 % or more of the "kitano" will die from this flush cleaning detergent.
MB does have a point about Iftikhar.
Navaz and Fazlu I will never trust though.
khaledNineZero,
That was a silly comment about Panjab being in power or not.
I don’t agree with vukulaa related ghundagardi, but try to think outside of this Panjab business all the time.
KabirDas saab,
If you can change the system without iranian revolution, French revolution, or Taliban revolution, then all my best wishes for you. I am not interested in any revolutions:-)
@fasee
If Fazl says ki usne toba kerli hai toh its improves his IMAGE.
BUT
Being CM is a different thing. If he can prove his competency he should be else no, simple. For now record shows he has only been a opportunist.
@ MB, fasee and balma
1. The set of circumstances under which CJ Chaudhri acted in 99 and then in 07 were not identical. As such there can be some justification for his different kind of action in each case.
2. Even if his action of 09 is considered condemnable it does not mean that his action of 07 can’t be considered commendable.
3. Sir Thomas More, the Lord Chancellor of England did sanction the first marriage of King Henry the 8th which was not as per the law. However, he refused to approve the next marriage of the King which again was against the law. Lot of pressure was applied on Sir Thomas More to legalise the next marriage of the King also like he had done in the first case. But he stood his ground and didn’t budge as a result of which he got hanged. By his refusal second time round Sir Thomas More became a hero in the history of England despite the fact that in the first case he had acted very differently. Today Sir Thomas More is credited for laying down the foundation of rule of law in England few centuries back. Kindly compare this case with that of CJ Chaudhri rising above your prjudices if you happen to have any.
4. Yes, if today Maulana Diesel Fazlu or anybody else for that matter by his actions (not his words) shows that he is repentent of his past actions and has now turned a new leaf I will forgive him and wont treat him like I do now.
5. The system in Pakistan has now become so corrupt that it can’t be changed through an evolutionary process. To change it we need at least a soft revolution the kind which the lawyer’s movement is trying to bring about. In case this movement fails to achieve its objective then we must contemplate a violent type of revolution like French Revolution, Russian Revlution and Iranian Revolution etc. (There is no such thing as Taliban Revolution).
6. It may be wise to bear in mind that all revolution need asymbol and a spark to start off. In France it was the storming of the Bastille. In Russia it was the capture of the Winter palace. In America Rose Louise Parks set off a revolution by refusing to surrender her seat in a bus to a white man (she must have done that many time before which no one mentions as an issue). Who knows in our case it may be the one big brave ‘NO’ by CJ Chaudhri to a Dictator or the long march or dharna or storming of the Supreme Court building by the lawyers to instal CJ Chaudhri in his seat.
7. Restoration of CJ Chaudhri, Justice Ramday and Justice Khwaja etc is not the be-all and end-all of rule of law in Pakistan. But it is the most crucial first step time for which is ripe now like never before. If we missed this opportunity to take such a step then nargis may continue to weep on its baynoori for who knows how long??
KabirDas,
I knew that a smart and knowledgeable Hindustani like you will be worth appointing as an agent of change in Islamabad.
Please don’t call Fazlu a Maulana. He is not educated and wise enough. Maulana is appropriate for Maulana Muhammad Ali Jauhar or Hasrat Mohani or even Shibli Maumani, but not dou Takkay kay idiots like Fazlu.
Let’s not cheapen titles given to educated people in our culture.
Fazlu jaisay kameeno’n kee vajah say hamaray titles kee koee vaqa’at nahee’n rahee hae!
The way Taliban captured Kabul, amid all the ghundagardi and maar-kuTTaai, I will call it a revolution.
Good luck with the dharnaa, but make sure you don’t provide chore darvaazah to Amir-ul-Faasiqeen.
P.S. Talking of Henry VIII, his multiple marriages ….were any of them concurrent.? or they were yakay-baad-deegar’ay? What are the facts?
Allama Balma
@KD sarkar…..aik teer sey doo shikar karoo gay toh nargis toh weep karey gi naa….pakistan was going on the right track before 9thmarch2007 somebody plotted a plot against musharraf and used the restoration of hon chief justice….the civil disobidience during the lawyers protest…has brought down the countries economy down on the knees….inflation is highest…prices are increasing by the day….people of pakistan are suffering….now they are using the same arrow of restoration of the hon chief justice to remove mr zardari as president…good luck to you sir…because iam sure you guys will succeed in removing the president not just the present one but the one after him with the same arrow….there will be nobody to look after the economy of the country…people will continue to suffer….and you my dear friend will be happy that Nargis is weeping….
@kabirdas
Sorry to say Lawyers now are on top of my list. Being a parasitic and useless group they have become the tool to spread lawlesness and chaos at perhaps the most in-opportune moment, helping to put the final nail in the coffin of this sick nation.
So far, I see an under whelming response cntrasted by an overwhelming hype created by the media specially Geo, where a crowd of hundreds is shown strategically to fill the screen. As Balma fears and I concurr these two least contrbutors to the society ( lawyers & journalists) are slowly dragging the goat towards the Qassaab.
MS sherry resigned…..obviously she wants to gather first hand information about KD sarkar in the long march….per ab inn ka office kon sambhaley ga…merey ko toh Manchester vs Liverpool ka match dekhney ka hai…koi hai…?anybody…please stand up…
@ wasiq
office ko choro sherry rehman ko kon sambhalay ga…i heard she was high when she resigned…..now she may file a repeal that she was under influsence at that time.
as for nargis ka rona.
i rememebr two months back when a judge banned the lewed dancing on stage….to nargis apni joblessness per buhat roi thi..i meean weepy thi
@ balma on March 14th
Hindoustani I am and proud of it because of its civilisation but first and foremost I am a Pakistani but no so proud of it because of the civilisation towards which it is gradually moving.
I used the term Maulana for Fazlu with tongue in cheek (which I often do in such cases) but to obviate any misunderstanding followed it with Diesel the significance of which you perhaps didn’t know. He is famous for siding with any kind of government in return for some benefit like permit etc. He became famous as Maulana Diesel when he agreed to 17 amendment to the constitution in return for a permit for distribution of diesel in NWFP.
Irrespective of all the above I will still call him a Maulana instead of a Mulla whether you like it or not. My definition of a Mulla is one who has ignorance thrust upon him. A Maulana acquires ignorance through great effort on his part. I have a soft corner for a Mullah in my heart but find no such place in my body parts for Maulanas who often are often also referred to as Ulma-e-Karam. Ulma and then Karam on top of it. Aik karela aur phir neem chaRha.
No, poor Henry couldn’t dare marry more than one at the same time. His trnsgressions were marrying second time, marrying a divorcee and marrying the widow of his brother which is not permitted in Christanity
@ balma
BTW my wife used totake offence and get worked up when someone in America asked her if she was an Indian. Not so after 9/11.
@ wasiq
1. Nargis couldn’t care less for the second shikar in the life hereafter which one may have in mind. Nargis is an agnostic:-)
2. Agree, things were going ok before 09 March but then don’t know what happened that Mush went bonkers. You can’t blame anyone else for his stupidity not even the Chaudhrys who were his main advisers. And mind you he had many opportunities after 9 March to retrieve the situation but he failed to make use of these opportunities. Thats what happens to most dictators who go in trance with power.
I was pro Mush till 09 March. I turned against him after 09 March. I started hating him (which I very rarely do)after 03 Nov.
3. Econmy be damned. Inflation be damned. What good is economy. What good is no-inflation if there is no rule of law. People are suffering no doubt but more so on account of lack of rule of law. As I said before give me rule of law or give me death.
4. I am not against Zardari or anybody else for that matter. Yay sab aik hee thaily kay chattay battay haiN.I care a damn who is Sindhi or Mohajir or Pathan or Punjabi. All I want is rule of law in this wretched country. I will rather not have Pakistan than have it without rule of law. More than six decades of lawlessness in this country is more than enough. Enough is enough now.
I don’t want to see nargis weeping no more for another six decades my brother. Save my soul !!!
@ kaami on March 14th
Of all the subscribers of KMB and IMB I respect your views the most and give the most serious thought to your opinion. It is because you are a very knowledgeable person and I find your opinion unbiased and free of prjudice of any sort. I am also sure that you have no vested interest in all this other than that you wish well for Pakistan.
I assure you I am not much different from you in all respect mentioned above except perhaps I am not all that knowledgeable in the field of politics which I try to make up by my lazy habit of reading and thinking.
How come then we both are drawing different conclusions from the same set of circumstances and facts which are equally known to us?? I sometime analyse myself and wonder if for some reason I have become more emotional in this sordid affair. If so why is it so? Why have I not only become emotional but also impatient. May be the reason for this is that I have spent more time in this lawless country than you have by virtue of my age. I am older than Pakistan whereas I bet you are younger to it. This must be the reason. This could be the only reason for our difference of opinion.
Still it does not tell us or tell me atleast which one of us is right and which one wrong. This questin may lead us to another question whether being emotional or impatience is a vice or a virtue. I have already thought of it as well. Prima facie they are vices but deep down when you come to think about them under certain circumstances they may well be virtues—like I think they are in my case in this instance.
Let us think more about it and hope we come to some kind of consensus. Till then lawyers leading the movement for rule of law will continue to be my heros and the timing of it just the right time. The best time to hit the iron is always when it is hot. I also have high regard for the journalists who are doing their duty despite danger to their lives and property.
Let us hope, no matter who is right or who is wrong, no harm comes to Pakistan and the outcome of this struggle is in the best interest of our country and our people. Both of us want that don’t we??
@ wasiq on March 14th
The news is too good to be true—-to have someone in a place of authority in Pakistan with his/her coscience still intact and soul not sold to devil.
You may try watching lawyers march instead. You may find it more interesting than the football match. The lawyers side has a weak centre forward and the other side has an almost impenetrable goal keeper:-)
@ fasee on March 14th
You might have noticed (if not experienced) that when you are feeling high your conscience which might have gone to sleep otherwise suddenly become wide awake.
@ kaami and others
This morning while thinking about the lawyer’s movement and my joing it the following poem of Rober Frost came to my mind which I want to share with you.
1. The Road Not Taken
TWO roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;
Then took the other, as just as fair,
And having perhaps the better claim,
Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
Though as for that the passing there
Had worn them really about the same,
And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
I doubted if I should ever come back.
I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.
Rober Frost
when ever in doubt…scream and shout….
@KD sarkar….sir I am most humbled…since you agreed to both….that nargis can’t change and things were going for good before 9th mar 07…so there is no point in continuing this debate any further…
as far as the football game is concerned….as a student of life and the hereafter i usually follow the referee….not because he wears the coolest shorts or keeps a whistle….but because…without him your weak centre forward can never be off side….btw…it is true!the best of the best!
I think another Military Coup is coming up in few days..
@balma jee…. tusi kittoun aay tey thong wali party taiyar se…
@kabirdas
Again I respect you and what you are trying to achieve. I have seen lawyers community up and close and the lows they can go to, hence my views….I can be proven wrong.
For a society whose social fabric is founded on injustice the desired goal cannot be acieved by inviting chaos or revolution or by re-instatement. In modern times revolutions are an outdated concept and do more harm than good. The way forward for opressed societies is not to waiver in their quest for sustained development and growth. Look at Dubai and absolute monrchy and a police state but, day by day, year by year their citizens and even expats are getting more and more rights and goodies. Ok this might be an outlandish example but where is justice in China? however, if they maintain half of their current pace for the next 25 years, their society will be completely transformed. Another example Singapore or South Korea and now even India.
So in my humble opinion on the road to progress you need to side line the advocates of instability and just create enough room for useful people to do useful work (Kaam ke logoon ko Kaam karne do). As was the message of that great movie Field of Dreams – "If you build they will come". And I add "If you destroy they will flee"
P.S. By useful people I mean: Enterpreneurs, economists, engineers, businessmen, educationists, scientists, doctors, accountants, architects, designers and other professionals etc.
This sounds like my own Schindler’s List doesnt it?
Kaami,
How can you put India in the same boat with China, Dubai, and Singhapur?
Haaae’n?
KD,
Many many many years ago some Pakistani students came totally scared and said Sir jee Arabs are being beaten up on the campus and I said, oyae haraamiyou’n (this is Balma’s kaa pyaar kaa style), next time someone asks you on campus where you guys are from, and it is dark at night, and no one around, keh dou keh Indian hou….better safe than jazbaati and sorry. Until then PAkistanis were always trying to fit in as Middle Easterners:-)
Most average people are stupid like Balma, and I was scared that my bachhoos might end up being mistaken as Arabs if they said they were Paksitanis and get beaten up.
I knew this another guy, not very educated but street smart (saRak chhaap type) and he told me even many years before the time mentioned above…that oyae chhoTay ( I was really young those days), agar tou kabhi koee ghalat kaam kartaa yuay pakRaa jayaae, aur police aa jaayae to keh dayiyou keh tou Indian hae:-)
Too be honest I don’t correct people when outside Pakistan "now" if they guess I am an Indian ….no problem getting some brownie points.
Ohh Fasiq,
I finally got chance to ask a lady about thongs and other details. I asked if it hurts, and she showed me (aur oos waqt allama Balma nay apnee aankhai’n band kar lee’n) that the string that goes under and around is actually indeed not that narrow….Laikin khyaaloun hee khyaalo’n may mujhay phir bhee jhurjhuree aa gayee:-)
@ kaami on March 14th
1. I have had one such experience of dealing with lawyers up to high court that I now advise people to avoid them as far as possible. Is your poor opinion about lawyers based on some such experience or experiences? If so I fully agree with you what you have to say about them.
2. The question now is what do you hold against those lawyers who have stood up for such noble cause and making great sacrifices for it ? They may not be the nicest people to have as your lawyer for litigation purposes. But then that is a different matter altogether. They must be seen in a different light when fighting for a noble cause unless you feel their cause is not noble or they have vested interest in their movement.
3. You have quoted the example of some other countries. I feel the anology drawn by you between them and the state we are in right now is not valid. They may not have had rule of GOOD law in the intial stages of their development but I assure you all of them had rule of some law. In Pakistan we don’t seem to have rule of law be it a good law or a bad law. Whatever law we have it is not applicable to all and then it can be changed any time with someone in power to his own advantage. When I say let there be rule of law in Pakistan I mean let us have some law, good or bad, but then follow it and make it applicable to all without discrimination. I don’t mind NRO becoming part of our constitution as long as it is done as per the laid down procedure ie by the parliament and it is applicable to all the citizens of Pakistan. We all have equal right to be corrupt which we are more or less. Generally we don’t like corruption when we are not part of it :-) Therefore NRO type protection should be provided to all of us.
4. Overall your advice is good for a normal third world country but then we have come to be more than a third world country. We are also a third class country ( jahaN aaway ka aawa hee bigRa houa hay)which needs some drastic measures if some salutry change is to be brought about.
5. You will have to do something more than what Oscar Schindler did to make some difference.
@ kaami on March 14th
1. Long time back one of our colleagues did something silly while staying in YMCA in Germnany. Later when he narrated the incident to us we opined that it will bring bad name to Pakistan. He told us not to worry : " When the receptionist at the front desk showed his ignorance about Pakistan I wrote myself as an Indian in the nationality common. " That put all of us at ease and we made a note of it for future use in similar situation. When you want to act like a typical Pakistani to go round, over or under the law the least you can do is to declare yourself an Indian :-)
2. I told you how my wife use to get offended if someone mistook her for an I ndian. I forgot to tell you how pleased she used to feel when somebody mistook her for a Spanish :-)
@Balma
It was "perhaps" India. Yes there are no obvious similarities, just that business interests are dictating the future direction of their country and not the politicians.
Yes, India is an exception to the group as its a democracy, but getting justice in India also requires a lifetime.
the way kami and KD keep respecting each other while arguing each other…
mujhay tu dono lakhnaow ke lagay hain
as fpr others….meri nakas rai ye hai ke ye wukala ya siasat dan kuch nai kersatay…no matter how much i hate talibans but i truly wish they come here and fuc$ up this nation good…ye koom danday ke bagair nahee sambhalnay wali…its better tu have a bearded busshy pakistan than not having a pakistan at all…period
Kaami, perhaps I missed your ‘perhaps’:-)
Of course, India’s court system is messed up. I have family examples, but will spare everyone the details:-)
Fasee, may I suggest a train ride to Peshavar and paidal march across Torkham? Inshallah shifaa ho gee! Pakistan kaa kyoo’n baiRah gharq karwaanay kay chakar may ho puttar?
@fasee sab….in one of the comments KD sarkar comfessed that his father did some time in dehli(@#$$^&&)so you can imagine he is a natural born protester…..as for kami sir….i have no idea whats going on there…maybe he attended the blogger’s meet up…haven’t you noticed that the real bloggers are missing from the action….(well done cio)
@balma jee…yeah scene youtube pey kab aaraha hai….? btw scientific discoveries main clerical errors kuch baat samjh nahein pa raha houn…lol
@ balma.
sir door kiyon jaon, i prefer a round trip in backyard of my office area I.I chudrigarh road…..pori pathan basti maujood hai….so i kow what hell awaits us when we are granted what i am wishing for.
but how can i stop from saying that i can not live with whats gogin on here aswell….yesterdays news a girl got raped umpteen times when she got out of a beauthy parlour in defence….she knew the number plate of that toyota surf yet police has done nohting agsint those 3 cars.
so i prefer talban who would have casterated those 10 rapists….hangin them form polls…taken the 3 cars for them selves to drive around…married off that 20 yr old girl to a 70 yr old comarade and burnt down that beauty parlour.
thats much better than those 10 goons roaming around still in those cars, that beauty parolur still churning out beauties to be ravaged by those beasts, and that girl is tending to her bruised body while her bruised soul wud never be healing…..and police wud vist her house ocasionaly for chai pani.
sir i wud choose 100 out of 100 the first option taliban wud have done
@ fasee on March 15th
" mujhay tu dono lakhnaow ke lagay hain".
A good one:-) Wish we had more Lacknowwala types in Pakistan than Delhiwala types :-)
" no matter how much i hate talibans but i truly wish they come here and fuc$ up this nation good "
It will be a food for my thought which I may start chewing if the lawyer’s movement fail to deliver.
@ balma on March 15th
Fasee has been constrained to contemplate drastic treatment measures for a marz jo haD say baRh gaya hay in Pakistan.
@ fasee on March 15th
You do have a point there I can’t easily deny or refute.
@ kaami
Yesterday I went for a long hike on Margalla hills thinking about the reason for our difference of opinion in regard to the lawyer’s movement. Towards the end of the hike it appeared as if someone whispered the reason into my ears: He is a pragmatist. You are an idealist.
I. There(s) a phrase that 99.9% of the lawyers give rest a bad name!
II. I understand the sentiments of lawyer(s) and very dispassionately (for the sake of some sort of a rationale argument), that the Lawyers Movement before the reinstatement of Iftikhar Chaudry is some-what justified but how could anyone constituently, ethically justify the defiance of lawyers post February Verdict?
II.A So are these lawyers who by the way are stuck in a labyrinth and divided over the issue (there’s clearly a divide between Central Punjab and Rest of the Country on the issue) trying to nullify the mandate of the people? Since majority close to 2/3 of the parties (predominantly or deceitfully) do not want Iftikhar Chaudry restored
II B. Why such hypocrisy? That you (lawyers and so-called self proclaimed civil society) talks about morals, ethics, norms and respect for the constitution while on the other hand do the opposite ie. “Do not respect the mandate of the people”.
III Giving out cliché statements is easy; pessimism sells since you can easily manipulate but for how long?
Today, the Lawyers Movement is confined into an ethnic-movement (with exception of some Bar leaders) which is still been financed, used by Sher-e-Punjab for his own purposes.
Why Nawaz Sharif did did not speak against Asif Zardari when everything was “sweet” …? The Pandora Box opened as soon as the relations go “sour”.
As far as the calls for civil disobedience, if someone from Sindh and Balochistan would have done that he would have trailed under article 6 of the constitution but this time this call came from a Pisser-e-Zameen, Nawaz Sharif hence, it’s “a call of conscience” why ….?
The Lawyers Movement has actually destabilized this country and had the most negative impact on security, economy and constitution then any other movement combined (PNA, ARD etc..) Shame on them!
Regards,
A.K.C
No wonder we haven’t had a true long lasting democracy in this country as people don’t even know what is the definition of democracy, just having elections does not mean there is democracy.
Democracy has for fundamentals:
1) LEGISLATION
2) EXECUTIVE
3) JUDICIARY (Independent!!)
4) MEDIA (Independent!!)
The above fundamental provide check & balance. There is no democracy without any one of the above!!
@ barrister
Good to see you back on KMB though I don’t agree with most of what you have said in regard to to the lawyer’s movement. I think it is now too late to refute any of your arguments against this movement. Time for such arguments is now over as I see it. Now let time be the judge to decide who was right and who was wrong. I only hope whatever is the outcome of this movement it is in the best interest of Pakistan.
I would just like you to know that tomorrow I will be joining the lawyers movement in Islamabd on behalf of no one but the voice of my conscience and for no one but for Pakistan.
It may also be pertinent to highlight here that I have never been a supporter of Nawaz Sharif or any Muslim League. I voted only three times in my life and each time for PPP. I may vote again for PPP if it is not headed by a person like Mr. Zardari or any body else for that matter who has been washed and cleaned by the mechanism of NRO.
@fasee sab….aap ney I.I Ch road toh bataya hee nahein….now it will be much easier…because meri na-kiss malomat kay mutabik…I.I ch road pey sirf char(4) kam hotey hain….chaapna,chapana,ijmaa aur qiyas…in dollar terms ($)…Banking,indenting,insurance and speculation….yeah mein shaheen complex kay zamaney ki baat kar raha houn…jab sey MQM ne baag door sambhali hai i have no idea….hosakta hai mrs qurashi ney wahan bhi khool liya ho….anyway…
aap ki rape wali story se barrister sab jag gaay hain….allah rahim karey…ab lambey lambey comments chalein gay….hum log ko side pey hona perday ga…
the quality of makeup has really improved these days….and also the technology of generating vibes….now we have bluetooth …so there is very little chance of miscommunication…..anyways if there were three cars…and each car has a driver and two bodyguards….that is 3×3=9
this does not appears to be a gang rape case to me….must have forgot to bring the roses…
once upon a time five gang rape suspects were brought before the court…the learned judge asked one by one how you did it….when he asked the fifth one ..he replied your honor iam innocent i was only watching the door from outside…the judge let the other go free and punished the last one….
@ kaami, barrister, balma, fasee and wasiq et al
Voices of sanity have been heard. CJ Chaudhri has been restored. 03 Nov action of Mush has been acknowledged as wrong. KD has been proved right. It is a victory for Pakistan our beloved country.
Let us now get on building a new Pakistan where henceforth the rule of law be supreme. The law be the same for all.
I am overwhelmed with emotions. I congratulate you all.
Let our next mission be to rid ourselves of religious extremism. Succeed we will like we did now by applying ourselves to the task.
@KD sarkar…..thankyou sir….aap toh ab mari jao gay…per kis kay saath….rule of law ko toh aap saath isl ley kar nahein gaay hon gay…just a wild guess….dekhna wapse pay beylan se istakbal na ho….
tanha dil tanhaa safar…
dhoonday tujhey pheir keun nazar….
@ KD.
sir aap ko mubarak hu…and wish this ugle picture ends with a hero herinone living happily ever after and producing many genetic copies of themselves.
but pata nai kiyo meray peet main dard hu raha hai…jub meray peet main dard hota hia tu koi manhoos baat honay wali hoti hai…..khair allah behtar karay ga.
@ wasiq.
Sir kabhi I.I chundrgarh ayee tu …wahan KFC bhi hai, computer ke biyopari bhi hain, aur side main thandi cold drink corner bi hai….or bajo wlai gali main razak seth ka prize bond aur parchi ka dhadi bi fit chalta hai footpat pe…..agar purani chaddi bechna walay ka thela bi hai……sirf bank thori na hain….
so aap ka sara guess wrong…um not in bank not in insurance not in forex….although i deal with all of these as my professional duty from my company…:)
@KD sarkar…..don’t worry about the ugly picture now watch this pretty picture….and see how much overnight change you have brought….in just few hours….lol
http://hub.metblogs.com/photo/photo/listForContributor?screenName=2i41szixjtdy8
aaay kuch aash kuch sharab aaay
pheir uss kay baad kuch aazaab aaay…
@fasee sab….kya master biryani ki koi nai branch(hummari koi branch nahein hai..) khool gaie….?
@ Wasiq
KD sarkar balnay say istaqbal kay aadi ho chookay haiN. Mosslay say istaqbal say albata abhi bhee kuch jhigiktay haiN halaN kay ookhli maiN sar dey rakha hay.
@ fasee
I suspect your tummy ache is due to overeating the Mithai after hearing the good news.
KD kay tou pooray jisam maeiN har waquat kahiN na kahiN kuch na kuch dard hota hee rahata hay. When he gets up in the morning and does not feel any ache and pain in his body he gets worried that he may be dead. So to check if he is dead he looks around quickly for some houri. If he sees no houri around he knows that he is not dead—not yet:-)
The change pointed out by you will now be for every one, you and me included, as per rule of law and not only for privilaged few. Wait till CJ Chaudhri takes a suo motto notice of this unequal distribution of goodies:-)
KD Saab,
Congratulations to you.
btw, yeh sub Bilaval baitay kee vajah say huaa hae. PM nay bhee uss hee ko mubarakbaad dee hae!
And, will Navaz NoSharif be NROfied too? What happened to all that hijacking case? Was all of that not tru and Mushee’s fraud?
Fasiq, qayaas/speculation/ funny.
@KD sarkar….you mean to say that my wild guess was absolutely correct….ab aap mari jao gay….without baylan…..that’s injustice my friend…and here the whole metroblogging community believed that you were for…the rule of law….and against the injustices big and small….anyways….congratulations to all of you who believed that were…right….apna kya hai averting a martial’s law is my favorite passtime….whenever they give me a terdha case (open and shut)they also give me a near martial’s law scenario….just to relax…
It doesn’t matter where you been
Or what you did wrong
It doesn’t matter who you are
You’re always welcome
It only matters that your heart believes
And you confess
If you committed any sin you’ll be forgiven
Callin on all of God’s children
Time to come home
If you wanna be delivered
Time to come home
@balma jee….thankyou sir….
Friends and foes
I am off to Gilgit for one day and one night to be away from it all and complete rest after the tension I have been through on account of this long march.
See you guys on return day after tomorrow. I hope Zardari doesn’t change his mind by then.
Take care and look after yourselves.
@ KD,
sir take your well deserved vacation..i recomned you take two female partners with you, with every intention of doing to them what zadari, nawaz, fazlu, qazi and there ilk plans to do to this whole nation…:)
as for me….i am always a fan of conspiracy theories, i cook up my own occasioanly too….and i am smelling a very pungent smell of a conspiracy here……
lets wait for a day or two to see if my linking of some facts is right or just a false alaram.
Zardari has proved himself to be a democrat, therefore better than any dictator of past or future. Nawaz is a well meaning guy and may be good for Pakistan despite having a beard inside his stomach. Qazi Sahab is a nice guy, means well for Pakistan but politics is not his forte. He should stick to mosque and maddrassa. Fazlu is a man with no principles, no scruples, an opportunist and no idealogy other than making himself rich using his beard in politics. Simply put he is devil reincarnated to be shunned.
KabeeeeerDaaaaaaas,
Agar yeh sub achhay hai’n, tou kyaa sirf aik Balma bouraa hae?
@ balma
sir jo aap ka reaction hai wohi mera tha.
if those SOBs are nice then who is wrong…definatly us awam jo in ko bar bar select kerti hai.
i was least expecting KD to rally for such guys like nawaz and qazi.
khair sahab …kehtay hain na apni pasand ke banday ke liye biasness ahi jati hai…..same as so many people wud praise altaf or wali khan….or the sadistic joker named nawab bugti…..
apni apni pasand hia bhai…..and fasee being fasee respect the pethetic choices awam make….and i respect that by not saying anything…oops i said something in the middle i guess
@fasee sab,balma jee….i think KD sarkar is very right….mari janey sey toh achcha hai kay banda gilgit aajaay…..ab dekhein na…manjan churan beichney waley toh apna kaam sahi kar rahey hain ….her dafa itna crowd jama kar leytey hain….ab agar producer hee sahi na ho toh main aur KD sarak kya karein….?
Naz hum sarey hata lein gay tum aao toh sahi
tum ko hum dil main basa lein gay tum aao toh sahi
If what I said above is said like PrithviRaj Kapoor said, it will be a whole different ball game.
How about this:
daaroghah-e-zindaan, lay jaao is baybaak KabirDaas ko, aur Daaaaal dou iss ko gilgit kay pahaaRo’n may:-)
well, aslee mukaalmah is:
daaroghah-e-zindaan, lay jaao is baybaak launDee ko, aur Daaaaaal dou iss ko qaed-khaanay kay andhairo’n may:-)
Classic, I think!
Balmah Baadshah.
Fasee,
Are you saying Qazi is KD’s pasand kaa bandah? I highly doubt this is true.
On the other hand, I actually like the way Qazi talks. He sounds very educated. Please note, I said he sounds educated. But, his thinking is all jahil. Dhakan hae Dhakan!
honestly speaking i like mr shareef very much….but i detest his lawyers and councils who repeatedly make him stand against the supreme court of pakistan and the judiciary….and don’t let him be a winner…
Due course is the best course….
You to wasiq…!!!
going by everyone’s standard here….guess its about time i declare my trust unconditionaly to fazlurrehman…coz its not what the petheitc person anyone can be…but its from the eye of the beholder.
of all the above, zardari, nawaz, qazi….mazak say hath ke….fazlu has less gunah on his account as he was not that much privieaged to wreack havoc to this country.
and i have firm belife that all these will burn in special stove in hell……i’ll make sure i lock hte presure cooker….( as fasee has anoth hard belife that fasee is gogin to brun in hell in the end for what he do all teh time on earth)
@fasee sab…jab china sey mal kharab aaay ga….aur customer sau wali cheez kay dus rupia bolay ga toh beychara khan kya kar sakti hai…?
pakistanioun ko visa nahein millay ga….unn kay lian toba ka darwaza herr waqat khula hua hai….(NRO….now repent option)
i wont be surprised if last week walay 9 rapist also do a tauba and be let free
safar batai ga kitnay saraab baki hain
kai sawal hain jin ke jawab baki hain
@fasee sab….mukhtaran mai got married recently…did you get an invitation…nahein na….pheir app ko kya…
woh toh khusbo hai hawaoun main bekhar jaiay gi
masala phool ka hai phool kidar jaiay ga..
ps:when there are two comment by the same person one after the other…the first thought that comes to mind is that I have missed something in the middle…perhaps a deleted comment….
many of my comments get reprimend adn gets deleted.
guess the world is still not ready for sugar free envirnoemnt
salay cheeni kha kha ker motay huway jatay hain per sugar free nai hoon gay
fasee and all:
Kindly note i never ever block any comment whatsoever. If in WORST CASE SCENARIO i do, its becaue of GHQ (captain) ordering me. Even then i try to edit it and not block it.
Any other exceptions are purely incidental or i couldnt check comment section properly on a particular day.
I just checked again and found no comment pending in my post for approval.
@ balma on March 16th
Sorry sir, I will have to figure that out. Depends on which side of the divide you stood; for rule of law or for rule by out-laws. If for rule of law you may fall in next to Qazi Sahab who has come out of it smelling like roses and if for rule by out-laws then next to that devil who goes by the name of Maulana Diesel aka Mullah Fazlu. There is no way I can place you next to Sher-e-Punjab much you though love to. That place has already been occupied by Sher-e-Pakistan; the one and the only one Kabir Das. You may clearly state what was your position on this issue of long march before I brand you one way or the other and allocate you a position accordingly.
@ fasee on March 16th
Sir, KD feels these SOBs have shown to be nice SOBs by standing on the side of rule of law in Pakistan. It is no fault of these SOBs if they get elected more than once. It just shows we awam are either not Momins who get bitten more than once from the same hole or more plainly and bluntly put we are just AHs.
Please rest assure if KD is biased he is biased for rule of law in Pakistan and for any one who supports this idea despite his own past kartoots otherwise.
@fasee sab and All sab…..yeah MB bahut chor hai yeah toh sub sey ziyada comments kahta hai jab hee toh sukhta ja raha hai….yeah toh pheley din sey comments khaay ja raha hai iss ney apney pheley blog main merey teen comments khaay hain….main koshish kar raha houn kay merey comments intellectual property rights kay domain main aajay…pheir dekhna….main aur sean sardar(panty tight) woh apna hollywood waley….merey sarey deleted comments chase kar rahey hain….internet pey kuch bhi delete nahein kiya ja sakta….accept the reality….(please do not tell this secret to lakhani sab)
Ps: yeah mulla’s blog pey comments closed ho giya hai ya blocked?
@ wasiq
Request more English than Roman Urdu please. It will make your comments more readable and enjoyable. See if you can do it.
@KD sarkar…yes SIR !
KD, I am for the rule of law. And, same law for everyone;-)
I totally disagree with Balma jee here….I have been a student of Law by birth…not by choosing.I have debated this issue on every level of law making over the years….and iam pleased to know that my point is very well taken….you can’t have the same law for everybody…especially when the people and the communities are so diversified in their way of life and beliefs.
the very simple example i give is that you can’t trust some people with your cows and chattels while with some you leave your womenfolk and have the sound sleep…(calling at 1:54am what were you trying to prove…han..?I was in the middle of a very sweet dream…later!)
woh kehtey hain na kay agar yeah tumhari ga-ay bakri ko aaisay hee dekhtey rahey toh yeah bakri nahein rahay gi….
@ wasiq.
"cant have same law for everybody"
agreeed amigos….so says the taliban….they have purchased diffrent set of cleavers for diffrent set of people….sizes =smal /medium/ large / xtra large / oh my god its huge/
Bullets comes in diffrent attrative colors for you to choose before you are shot.
hanging ropes u can choose form nylon, yarn, clutch wire, steel or silk ( if u can greese the right palms )
WHO SAYS WE ARE NOT MARKET ORIENTED….SO SAYS MULVI FAZLULAH
@ balma
Glad to know you are also for ‘rule of law’. But I am not sure if the same law will ever become applicable to all men equally since all men are not borne equal and if Voltaire or somebody thought so he must have either been dreaming or gone bonkers.
So what is good for the goose (wasiq) in this case may not be good for the gander (balma in this case):-)
@ wasiq
"you can’t trust some people with your cows and chattels"
May or may not be so.
"while with some you leave your womenfolk and have the sound sleep…"
Sir, you are joking of course or do you really live in some fool’s paradise ?
@KD sarkar….look around sir…iam nobody’s fool or this world seems a paradise to me….what I have said is a fact of life….we don’t live in caves anymore….or hunt for food….women are becoming more and more less dependent on the men folk…and men also don’t follow the women like a moonstruck lovers….I feel that these day man trust men more than women…and there is a huge gender bias….but women don’t trust women or men….which is why they struggle more for empowerment…and less for sharing…or the balance of power…
@ wasiq.
wo ghiusta pita latfia yaad hai na.
the one bout comparision between letting others go with either your car or your wife…end result ik hi hota hai.
as for your coment on men trusting men more….well is per mujhay ik aur ikhlaq say gira huwa lateefa yaad a giya…per i risk being banned again….so phir kabhee sahee
@fasee sab….thora khao achcha khao….jab gluttony quit kar de toh lechery(akhlaqi girawat)bhi janey do na….waisey bhi yeah sub items internet sey pheley kay hain….ab toh idhere koi gender bias raha hee nahein….balkey…main toh kehta houn safe search main aik option gender bias ka bhi hona chahiyeah….han na…?
@ wasiq on March 25th
Sir, the atmosphere might have changed but what about the instincts?? I any case KD doesn’t seem to have changed much. He neither lives in a cave nor hunts for food but he will still like to follow the women like a moonstruck lover… of course when Mrs KD is not around:-)
@KD sarkar…..now this is what i call reading Sigmund Freud between the lines of my favorite the best Pakistani story teller..late mr Ashfaq ahmad…he loved doing this reality intermingled with the subconscious.like wise you say " he will still like to follow the women like a moonstruck lover subconscious of course when Mrs KD is not around:-) reality"
Mrs KD wont leave KD alone or unguarded and the poor slave KD will never chase a woman other than Mrs KD…in $ terms KD will never chase a woman in his entire life….I rest my case.thanks for a happy ending….la la lala la la la
@ wasiq
Sir, before resting your case against KD I urge you to read the following extract from Will Durants ‘Men and Women’.
Woman wins her victories not through fighting, nor through bravery, but through persistence and tenacity. The male’s pugnacity is more intense and open, but less sustained; he is readier to make up, or to surrender for the sake of peace. He may growl, and even beat up his woman; but in the end she will triumph by repetition like an advertisement. If she repeats it is because she can’t strike.; weak species, peoples, sexes, and individuals are rich in patience and subtelity.
Napoleon who could master a continent, could not rule his wife; his strength found nothing to aim at in Josphine’s physical weakness and timidity; and for weapons which she used he had no armor.
A man is defeated before the battle begins. And if by some chance he should win, the woman need only cry, and he is lost. Maria Louisa boasted that she always received what she wanted if she wept for it twice. The wise wife will put it down as a foundation rule of war: " If at first you don’t succeed, cry again."
Good luck to you sir when you get married.
@kd sarkar….you get married why? sir there are so many Unmarried..
unfortunately I never had the opportunity to read Will and Ariel…but I have seen a number of biographical movies docu-drama’s on the lives of co-authors…i feel blessed because i found this note(pharaa)from Mr Durants work on wiki…
The Story of Civilization (Vol 3 Caesar And Christ. Epilogue – Why Rome fell): A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within. The essential causes of Rome’s decline lay in her people, her morals, her class struggle, her failing trade, her bureaucratic despotism, her stifling taxes, her consuming wars.
please allow me to put a pin cushion or a paper weight on my rested case.
still I would confess that i also don’t know much about Josephine or maria Louisa…but i know the most powerful couple of our times Mrs and Mr Clinton….and every time i criticize Hillary…the office of mr clinton releases a very favorable press statement….let me give you a demo…
"the sec of state clinton should have not intervened to stop shareef in blowing up ravaging isl…"(abhi toh sub sleep hoein gay…but ppl in new york wake up early like me here in jamshedtown….)
wise man say…
Only fools rush-in….
@ wasiq
Please allow me to answer your comments in parts. As per Mrs KD today is my ‘make and mend day’ and I have got to attend to my ‘To Do’ list in the house and unfortunately sitting behind the computer is not one of the items on this list.
" ….you get married why?"
Will Durant answers this question as follows:
quote
The function of the woman is to serve the species, and the function of the man is to serve the woman and the child. They have other functions also, but wisely subordinate to these; it is in these fundamental and half unconcious purposes that nature has placed our significance and our happiness.
unquote
My answer is the same except that I would read ‘unhappiness’ for ‘happiness’ in the above passage:-)
Got to go. I can hear someone yelling and screaming downstair as if in great distress :-)
@KD sarkar…..sir please take your time….I am not going any where….we can continue this Mrs KD bashing…tomorrow…or the day after…as far as Wills ill will is concerned….The American writers are so obsessed with writing a best seller….that is why I rarely give them credit for their work…anyways here is one more pharaa…
“It may be true that you can’t fool all the people all the time, but you can fool enough of them to rule a large country.”
( Will Durant quote)
ps:i do sincerely hope that by *species* the Durants are not referring to the UFO sightings very common in their state…in that time.
I don’t wanna take advice from fools
I’ll just figure everything is cool
Til I hear it from you
It gets hard when memory’s faded
Who gets what they say
It’s likely they’re just jealous and jaded
Oh, maybe
"species" mut bola karoo yaar…it makes me remember natasha henstridge….kiya fursat say banaya tha us ko bhi bhagwan nay
juma ki namaaz ka time ho giya hai…pheley hee pardosan ney jaga ney waley kaam shuru kar di ay hain…kaash Mrs fasee computer literate hotein…
bili sheer ko sab sikha deti hi adarakht charna nai sikhati.
Mr fasee ahs given passworrds to all teh stuff on the laptop, except the portion of harddisk where "u know what" stuyff is stored…and second i dont give out How to connect teh GPRS to this laptop…:)
baki jahan khelna hai kheltay rahoo
lagta hai seham ney seeb ka saham kar diya or the vice versa….agar yeah biwi ka sadqa hai toh kharcha kitna hota ho ga….iss ki kya zaroorat thi aik hair pin kafi thi…main kon sa 35 aur….
@fasee sab….sir woh KD ka case bardee mushkil sey dabaya hua hai…notes ourd jaein gay…please donot distract….lol
@ balma,odin et al
My following comments pertain to Roman Urdu which came under discussion in the the post titled ‘ The Shanaakht Festival’. Today when I opened the comment page of this post the space for leaving the comment did not appear there. So I have been constrained to enter these comments here under this post.
I have done some research about Roman Urdu the result of which can be summarised as follows:
1. Royal Indian Army only used Roman Urdu and not Roman Pushto or any other Roman vernacular like Roman Bengali or Roman Madrasi etc.
2. All English officers and Indian soldiers of RIA were required to pass three levels of Roman Urdu courses; Roman Urdu third class, Roman Urdu second class and Roman Urdu first class.
3. There was special pay for English who qualified Roman Urdu but there was no such special pay for Indian soldiers.
4. Indian officers were only required to do courses in English language.
5. English officers serving in NWFP were required to learn only speaking Pushto not reading or writing it.
6. English officers serving with Gorkha regiments were required to learn speaking Gorkhali but not reading or writing it.
7. No Indian officer served with Gorkha regiment.
8. Roman Urdu was discontinued in Pakistan and Indian Army after their independence and remains so todate.
@ wasiq
Quibla, I am waiting for your response to my comments dated 26 March under the post titled ‘The Shinaakhat Festival’.
@KD sarkar….sir I replied late last night…on the silver jubilee of MQM blog…they shut down the comments on that before my reply….like a traffic policeman…I like it…!
@ wasiq
Now that I have come back to your comments about Will Durant I find there ia an awful lot that you need to know about him and his writing. Even quoting sailient parts of his views on the subject of Men and Women to you will be somewhat a tedious affair for me.
The Story of Civilisation written from beginning to Napolean era comprise of some 7 or 8 volumes, each volume being of more than 1000 pages. Aerial his wife collaborated with him in writing just one or two of these volumes. I wouldn’t recommend you to read all these volumes unless you are really interested to learn how our civilisation developed. Long time back I read only two of these volumes, one dealing with the beginning of civilisation and the other dealing wih the age of faith. Anyway the purpose of telling you about this is to impress upon you that he is not the kind of writer who writes best sellers which instantly appear on NYT best seller list. He is a very very scholorly and serious writer.
His one book which I admired the most is ‘The Pleasures of Philosphy’. This is one book which I recommend most strongly to you for reading. It is really pleasure to read this book particulay its language is such. It has only about 400 pages and you will not find it tedious to read. It is such a book that Pakistan Army Book Club had it printed and distributed among its members comprising of Army Officers.
The subjects which have been discussed in this book are as follows:
1. The lure of Philosphy
2. What is truth
3. Matter life and mind
4. Is man a machine
5. Our changing morals
6. Morality and immorality
7. Love
8. Men and women
9. The modern woman
10. The break down of marriage
11. About children; a confession
12. The reconstruction of character
13. What is beauty
14. The meaning of history
15. Is progress a delusion
16. The destiny of civilisation
17. In praise of freedom
18. Is demcracy a failure?
19. Aristocracy
20. How we made Utopia
21. The making of religion
22. From Confucius to Christ
23. God and immortality
24. On life and death
You may rest your case after you have read Men and Women :-)
Take care
@ KD sarkar….You may rest your case after you have read Men and Women :-)
Take care
Fair enough sir….still i do sincerely hope that you are not enticed by Will’s description of a hijab less…half naked fully liberated muslim woman of the first century….because….a half cooked halwa is not a halwa or a half baked cake is not a cake….
I dream of rain
I dream of gardens in the desert sand
I wake in vain
I dream of love as time runs through my hand
Sweet desert rose
Each of her veils, a secret promise
This desert flower
No sweet perfume ever tortured me more than this
Sweet desert rose
This memory of Eden haunts us all
This desert flower
This rare perfume, is the sweet intoxication of the fall
KD Saab,
That gates to that blog on shanaakht have been closed.
but, i will like to say that the only two nuktaa misraas I know on nuktaas are:
1) aik nuktay nay khudaa say judaa kar diyaa
and
2) aik nuktay nay khan ko jaan banaa diyaa :-)
(I came up with this one)
ShahJahanpur being a small town has a lot to do with sheen-qaaf, bhai saab:-)
@ KD
have you read ALLAMA TARIQ BATALVI’s " INSAAN KA JANAT SAY KARACHI TAK KA SAFAR" 3rd Edition…published MINHAJ AL QURAN SOCIETY
it says it gurantees to turn the life of deviants upside down…..
will try…..my last attempts at " MARNAY KE BAAD KIYA HUGA" that was rumoured that authore wrote while resting in a dug up qabar and had revelations bout…..well all my exitment fizzled out that that paper back fiction novel…..
as for WILL DURANT….sir yeh qoum 1000 page kabhi apni course book ke na parhay…oarh li will durant ki kitaab
new nuktah shaer for KD:
aik nuktay nay taahir ko zaahir ker diyaa
These nuktah shaers remind me of prof rizvi and his shaer kay haqiqi maanay aur majaazi maanay:-)
KD sahib, thank you for details on Roman Urdu.
Your presence at KMB is appreciated. It allows us lazy asses to learn about various topics without lifting a finger!
English did a lot for Urdu, starting with the Fort William College for teaching Urdu to their East Indian Co employees.
@ wasiq
"a half cooked halwa is not a halwa or a half baked cake is not a cake…."
Sir, please at least give this much credit to KD that he knows that you are either pregnant or not pregnant :-)
I have noticed that you have suddenly started quoting lot of poetry. I hope this sudden onrush of poetry is not a sign of your falling in love or something. Or kahiN kissi padson nay to muskra kay nahiN dekh liya aap ko:-)
@ balma
Now this nukta is really something so strange like some subatomic particle which have mass but no volume etc and do strange things like being at two different places at the same time etc. A nukta has no length, no breadth, no area and no volume etc and still it produces such strange effects by changing its position just a little bit.
I am not joking. When I questioned a very old Brigadier of pre partion time about Roman Urdu he told me that the main reason for English to adopt Roman alphabets was that they didn’t like the Nuktas of Urdu alphabets and the major changes that it produced by its position and numbers on the sounds of simlar looking alphabets.
Today I asked Mrs Zahir who had become Tahir by the absence of a Nukta from his name about the shaer her tailor master quoted on hearing this magical effct of a Nukta. She could remember only one misra of this shaer which is as follows:
Ik nuktay nay mujhay mehram say mujrim bana dia
She has promised to find out the second misra of this shaer from her tailor for me which also means for you.
By the way tomorrow morning I am off with Mr Zahir (same nukta problem wala) for a day’s trip to his native village in Charsaddah which these days is a ‘gadh’ of Taliban. I want to bring a suicide belt from there as a souvenier which I believe you can buy over the counter in any general store. The ammo for it you have to buy under the counter:-)
Mrs KD has gone to Karachi to attend the wedding of the daughter of a friend. Before you ask me the question which every body asks me on hearing this let me give you my answer to it. " I have not gone with Mrs KD because going with her would have meant going nowhere. I stayed back to enjoy few days of freedom.
It is somehing like when I go to someone’s place and they ask me to feel at home. I normally tell them that if I wanted to feel at home I would have stayed back at home and not come here. I don’t want to feel at home for a change.
By the way I have found an excellent ‘gali’ for you. You wouldn’t have heard this before. It is in the Murree language. I am surprised how this gali didn’t come to the notice of Punjabi and Urduspeaker who would have been so glad to adopt it. I wouldn’t quote it here since fasee and wasiq bhai say ikhlaq say giri hooi gali KMB per nahi quote karni chahiay. I would pass it on to you through some other back door channel. However, if I ever found a laziz gali which ikhalaq say nahi giri hooi I will pass it on to you through KMB channel.
Good night for now. I must go to sleep now. Sleep is no mean business like that majzoob-e-farngi said. You have to work the whole day for it. Today I practically sat the whole day before the computer for it.
@KD sarkar…..I wouldn’t quote it here since….
sir aaj sunday hai…aap mujhey whisper kar do i"ll quote it by your name and address…
Sir, please at least give this much credit to KD that he knows that you are either pregnant or not pregnant :-)
ofcourse sir, you are absolutely right….but,can you also tell if that will grow up to be a **qazi** or the **munawwar**
I have noticed that you have suddenly started quoting lot of poetry.
I had nihari last sunday….right now I am waiting for the clouds to settle down..to know for sure if I can endeavor a similar feast or not..people in my neighborhood don’t smile at anybody unless they see him in a worse than theirs….or a white cab is waiting for them….
challa aay ga hal yeah ganjoun kay ser per
Munawwar hummara Munawwar hummara….
(this is an election slogan from the seventies which won him the seat from here but the party called it rigged…ironic isn’t it..? my childhood friends)
@ wasiq
" sir aaj sunday hai…aap mujhey whisper kar do "
kia Sunday ko dewar key kaan nahiN hotay? Even then I wouldn’t like to repeat a gali, laziz or no laziz, in the presence of boys who eat nihari but drink non-alcoholic drink with it that too on twisting of their arm by some one:-) However, I will let you only this much that it is a gali which is only used by a female against some other female. Though it can be used by a male for a female but it is not done so. It can’t be used by a male for another male since it will make no sense. So it may not be of much value to you in any case.
" people in my neighborhood don’t smile at anybody unless they see him in a worse than theirs…."
Well said sir! Sometime you do dazzla KD with your brilliance.
@KD sarkar……kia Sunday ko dewar key kaan nahiN hotay?
Its the lent…and I may not follow that faith but I try to be less hurtful during the lent…and i have learned that the Lenten restrictions do not apply on the Sundays…..
about not consuming alcohol is concerned…the legendry urdu poet have said
Shaam hee say bujha sa rehta hai
Dil hua hai chiragh mufliss ka
Sometime you do dazzla KD with your brilliance.
thankyou sir!please give my best regards to Mrs KD…and tell her that I wont tell him if she wont….although I can’t keep a secret for long…especially when MI bookmarks it.cheers!
some time you dazzale KD…what bbout the otehr times…do he cruse at wadsting his 2 minutes like he does to mine..
@ fasee
" Sometime you dazzle KD"
And sometime when he can’t dazzle KD with his brilliance he baffles him with his bull :-)
@ wasiq
" I try to be less hurtful during the lent…"
You remind of a person I know who ocassionaly buy and sell old cars. Last Ramzan I asked him how was his business going. He said: ‘I don’t sell a car in Ramzan to avoid telling lies in the holy month.’ According to him telling lies in unholy months was OK.
" Shaam hee say bujha sa rehta hai
Dil hua hai chiragh mufliss ka"
I would modify it to say:
Dil hua hai bulb Karachi ka :-)
By all means stick to water but remember it is habit forming, it is the stuff that rusts pipes, fish do disgusting things in it and you can’t trust it since even straight stick turns crooked in it.
serhaney meer kay aahista bolo…
mera bull bull soo raha hai….
lol
@ balma on March 28th
"Your presence at KMB is appreciated"
I am flattered. I thought KD’s presence at KMB was only tolerated :-)
" It allows us lazy asses to learn about various topics without lifting a finger!"
And thus gives us time to teach others by pointing fingers at them :-)
@KD sarkar…welcome back sir….I read some really fancy things about you…your friends and acquaintances on the other blog… I must say I am really impressed…I had no idea you are an ex-serviceman and an educationist….I thought you were a journalist or a lawyer….I hate journalists and iam not very fond of the later as well…please accept my apologies if my bull have ravaged your fields beyond restoration….
hmmm…wasiq doing back ground checks on KD…why..??
Opt 1) wasiq is a stalker.
Opt 2) he has a teenage crush on him.
Opt 3) he has a secret chamber filled with blog rolls and pix of KD
Opt 4) he has lots of time in hand this week.
sir whaterver the option..its prudent you drop a call at 911 just to make sure…:D:D
@fasee sab….achcha toh yeah aap thay….jis ney panic button press kiya…mein bhi kahoun yeah aaj doo ki jaga six mobiles keun…plus rangers….sir qoom ka paisa waste hota hai…frank calls nahein kiya karo na….
Yeah rishta kya keh lata hai…..
@ wasiq.
sir sorry..actualy the envirnoment has made me paronoid…and i wasted tax payers money, which could have been better utilised in while begum gilani wud have been on a shoping spree abroad…or mr zardari wud have given it as tip in a gogo bar
@fasee sab….sir no need for sorry… jab KD ney he notice nahein liya…toh.. no do giyara…per kiya assar hota…
Btw,saein ki koi girlfriend bhi nahein hai kya…aay munda Pakistani toh hai na….?
@ wasiq on April 2nd
" I read some really fancy things about you…"
All lies nothing but the lies :-)
@ fasee on April 2nd
" hmmm…wasiq doing back ground checks on KD…why..??"
Suppose being of tender age he just got mesmerized by the fancy things he heard about KD. Baba KD is just a simple soul trying to find himself by observing others. Nothng more nothing less.
Bazeecha-e-itfal hay dunia maray aagay
@fasee sab…..KD being too modest….can’t be an col of pakistan army..serving or Ex….lol
aate jatey khubsoorat awara serdkoun pey
kabhi kabhi Itefaq sey…kitney anjaan log mil jaatey hain
@ balma
Here is an anecdote just for you which I am sure you will enjoy. I hope wasiq and fasee et al are not listening.
This incident was told to me by a very dear friend of mine who was from acorss the border. When young he was travelling in a train from India to Pakistan.
At the time he was passing through a rather embarrassing stage of his life which all of us have to pass through. I mean the age when you are too oid to play with kids and too young to sit with elders. It is also the age when one can travel in ladies compartment of a train or the Gent’s compartment of a train.
So my friend was travelling in a ladies cattle (third) class compartment. At night he was lying on the lower bunk listening to the chat of two old ladies of Poorbi origin.
One lady was telling the other about how she had married her daughter off to some good for nothing fellow and was now regretting it. I am not well conversed with Poorbi and am unable to reproduce the whole dialgue. I will try to reproduce just the gist of it.
The other lady asks the complainint: Laddan mian kay bava kam kia karay hain.
The first replied: Laddan kay bava ko kam tou kuch aaway jaaway nahin hay, abhi tak tou bus …………
Hey I think wasiq and fasee have also become all ears. I will not like to complete the punch line when they are lastening. They may find it ‘ikhlaq say giri hooi baat’ though I will be quoting just some pious old lady .
So balma I will complete this punch line some other time and try to send it to you through some back door. I will beg your leave now. The Mulla whose waaz I can hear from my library is yelling about the dozakh ka azab. The one who can be heard from my balcony seems to be luring the faithfuls with the tales of jannat. No matter what Mirza Ghalib thought of Jannat and Jahannum I rather like to listen to the tales of Jannat. So I am going to move to my balcony for a while and let my fancy fly like a Tair-e-Lahoot.
@ wasiq on April 3rd
" KD being too modest….can’t be an col of pakistan army.."
So pusht say hay paisha-e-aaba sipah gari
Shairy kutch zaria-e-izzat nahi mujhay
(this misra is not coming to mind right now)
Kahta hoon sach kay jhoot ki aadit nahi mujhay
@ KD.
sir please dont leave any statemnt with a fill in the blanks….as our ustad used to say, " brain is the most sexual of all organs"
so hamara dimagah ikhlaq ki us satha say bhi nechay gir jata hai jis satha pe aap ki staement per ke girta….:)
@ wasiq.
if he is modest then i can bet he wud have been retiered by now…as i havent seen a army guy modest till he is retired or is in front of his superior……
or is in front of his superior……
@fasee sab….do you mean to say….that he thinks of me as his…..noway…
@Balma jee….i just joined in after 3:00 pm did I miss something..?
@KD sarkar….my dearest and eldest…aunt(phopho) use to recite these verses very often…even though none of us ever thought of joining the army…airforce maybe but never the army….
Umeray daraaz maangh kay la ay thay chaar din
Baki thay poney chaar kay bijli chali gaie…
@ fasee
" as our ustad used to say, " brain is the most sexual of all organs"
Absolutely true. If you indeed have such an Ustad you will never have to become a shagird of KD.
" so hamara dimagah ikhlaq ki us satha say bhi nechay gir jata hai jis satha pe aap ki staement per ke girta…."
Sir, that was the whole idea of KD. He couldn’t have brought your ikhlaq to the level where it would it would have fallen by itself now to fill in the blnaks. If I filled the blanks now it will be an anticlimax and bit disapponting for you. Anway I will think about it. But then what will we do about wasiq. He can’t even handle a alcohal free drink. How will he handle a free thought:-) We have to think about him.
" as i havent seen a army guy modest till he is retired or is in front of his superior……"
Well said sir. You have hit the nail on the head. And if after his retirement you ask him why did he retire so early in his career. He wouldn’t tell you that he couldn’t progress any further because of his incompetence. He would invariably tell you some cock and bull story about how he stood up to his seniors ( main nay seniors ko suna deen) and they retired him instead of promoting him.
@ wasiq
" that he thinks of me as his….."
There you are in your dazzling mode again:-)
" even though none of us ever thought of joining the army…"
Who are ‘we’ ? And why not ? Didn’t you want to serve your country ? Serve it when there is no martial law and ‘service’ it when there is martial law.
Didn’t you want to serve your country ? Serve it when there is no martial law and ’service’ it when there is martial law.
Laddan kay bava ko kam tou kuch aaway jaaway nahin hay, abhi tak tou bus …………
@KD sarkar…..by *we* I mean the herd…..One of Our distant neighbor had that Army sticker…."army wants you…!" on the car’s rare screen…that car used to move around in front of our house quite often…they would even park it here so far far from theirs….for no explanation at all….Now..they blocked their own side with barriers and guards…and very rarely pass by our house…mostly use the other end of the street… also recently I noticed that the billboard on faisal near the Hotel…are no longer Inviting to me…! So,
Iam rejoicing the Victory over the PressGang….
Aik Umerr toh kya woh hasharr talak…
rakhaay gi khulaa darwaazey ko…
@ wasiq
When that wise old lady described her son in law in these words: Laddan kay bava ko kam tou kuch aaway jaaway nahin hay, abhi tak tou bus woh kullia main …………{oops have I exceeded the danger limit of the quote??)
she wouldn’t have known that she was describing a large male population of Pakistan: kam tou kissi ko aaway jaaway nahi hay sub bus kullia main —- hee chalaway hain :-)
Do you mean this guy joined the Army and continued living among his uncouthe neighbours in the same street albiet at the other end and didn’t shift to his normal habitat DHA ??? Amazing!!
He must have been some naive soul. You should feel honoured to have him living in your street to lend you some respectability in the eyes of the law of the jungle sorry I mean land not jungle.
What does the bill board tell you now: Your country doesn’t need the likes of you !!
@KD sarkar… the billboard is so unattractive…that I let it pass…without…the second glance…
the guy had the sticker at the rare screen of his car…not on the front…!contemplate…
Say
You’ve been waiting much too long now
Don’t know when she’s coming home
Say now
You’ve been loyal true and faithful
All this time of being alone
If I could get that same dedication
I’d give you everything in creation
If she doesn’t come back (come back) (come back)
Ooh! I’ll be your substitute whenever you want me
Oh don’t you know I’d be your substitute
Whenever you need me
Ooh ooh ooh
(Send my love and admiration straight to you)
@ wasiq.
sir jee what you might find attractive, is not permissiable in pakistan, they might risk paint cans hurled at the billboard within a day or so…..
During Zia era a lot of attractive bill boards were erected on major road sides with Quarani ayats with translation inscribed on them. There was one just bill board on main Shahra-e-Faisal behind the Commander Karachi HQ. It said something about how God listens to your prayers and fulfills them. After some time some dil jalla wrote his prayer on it with spray paint to the effect :’Ay Allah tou iss Zia ko apnay pass bula lay’. Whenever I used to see this bill board I used to smile thinking about the naivete of the parson who wrote this. Untill then I never believed in the power of a prayer.
But lo and behold few weeks after this prayer was written on the bill board Allah mian nay Zia ko apnay pass bulla lia. I suppose Allama Iqbal was right when he said in his Shikwa:
Dil say jo baat nikalty hay assar rakhti hay
Dil say jo baat nikalty hay assar rakhti hay
@KD sarkar…..this is the only reason why I consider Pakistan/karachi to be more democratic than United States Of America/NewYork….aap log jab bhi martha bata kay martha…..thanks!
pakrday jaatey hain farishtoun kay likhay per Zia Haq
Adami koi hummara daam ay tehreer bhi hai….
Wow,
I totally forgot about this topic. I checked here after many days and noticed KD was trying to teach gundee gundee baatai’n in Poorbi to us young boys:-)
@ balma
I was just quoting a pious old Poorbi lady who happened to say something about her son in law in the early years of Pakistan which she could have said with equal justification about us today had she been alive and if some had asked her what were we doing. Now that you are listening and hopefully fasee and wasiq are not I am going to reveal the missing words from her remark to you if you have not guessd it already. The missing words are ‘loolia hee chalaway hay.’
A rather cute little word rhyming so well with kulia.
This phrase then spread like a wild fire in our organisation. About any incompetent person it used to be said that ous ko away javay to kuch bhee nahi wo to sirf kulia main loolia chalana hee jany hay:-)
@ wasiq
"martha bata kay martha….."
Didn’t get it!
Fasiq is talking to you in Poorbi I guess:-)
I love poorbi. It is so innocent. You don’t find it in Karachi any more.
But, when I was a kid you could still hear it around once in a while. Now, the peolple who spoke it are mostly watching us from high above while we make fun of them.
Oh, this reminds of someone from Kanpur telling me a story about a Muslim kisaan from a village near Kanpur about the kisaan’s comments after 1971 PK army’s defeat….that how he is not going out since he has lost his face….that comment was actually also in daihaati Urdu but now I don’t remember the exact statement. bus, poorbi kay zikr per yaad aa gayaa….even though language around Kanpur is not Poorbi…well, I guess it depends on ones point of reference:-)
@ KD on zia
great contrubution……can you pls find out the warebout of that "kali zuban wala banda"…i want to make him write things about around 100 or so of our politicians naems on that same board.
fasee abi itna purana tu nahe huway ke loog ujnhay antiquie bolain…but still..i have seen in lahore when maulvis used to balck marker models even on shops calenders….fasee used to see when he got out to repair his phatphati or buy dahee from dukaan
@ fasee
By the way I remember the translation of that Ayyat was something like that:
Bayshak tumhara rab tumhari duaoon ka sunnay wala hay.
Wonder if this will be of any help to you.
" "kali zuban wala banda"
Kali ?? I would call him ‘sunahiri zuban wala bandah’
@ balma
"Fasiq is talking to you in Poorbi I guess:-)"
Sounds like sansikirit to me :-)
Balma jee…..is ka kya matlab hai…what does a Scotsman wear under the…..?
@ wasiq
Such questions you should refer to KD. Balma’s research is limited to lady’s wares only particularly the ones jin say unhain juhrjuhiri see aa jati hay.
A curious lady once asked a Scotsman the same question which you are asking Balma. The Scotsman replied: Ma’am rest assured nothing is ‘worn’ under the kilt:-) (Note the pun)
@ balma
Poorbi is indeed a very sweet language. Thats why it is the language used for ‘geets’(love songs) which are saturated with the love of one’s balma. So sweet that even its expression like ‘kulia main loolia’ can also be used in a geet without sounding uncouthe or crude. Imagine using the equivalent of the same expression in any other language in conversation let alone in a song.
@ KD…
after reading ur example hum ko apnay ustaad ki wo baat yaad a gai…
a profanities delivered in a sophisticated laungauge is like wiping the arse with a silk cloth.
@KD sarkar…..I know of a language….haven’t you ever heard"tom,dick and harry…"
@ fasee
Exactly. That was the point I was trying to make. A profanity delivered in an unsophisticated language is like wiping the arse with an emry (sand) paper. Ake karela ous pey neem charaha.
@ wasiq
Recently I met an English man who told me I can call him Richard. I asked him what do his friends call him. He said: "The true friends no longer call me ‘Dick’." :-)
@ KD & wasiq.
i dont know if its me o rsomething…but first i was exchanging romatic verses with men, now i am discussing arses ( also with men )…gosh that MUST, have to be gay….:)
so what does that make me…..my gay friends would say i am a inside the closet type gay or a person with some latent gayism blocked inside, trying to buirst out and declare its existence…..gosh thats so gay….where is fasee’s medication……aaj zaroor hila hila ke piyoon ga….gosh another gayish thing….aaaarrgghhhhh…
@ fasee
Sir, closet gay you may be but discussing arses with so many arse holes around is not an indication of it. Put your medicine away. KD reckons you are gay in the old fashioned way.
"fasee a old fashioned gay"…
hmm so does that make me gay…… aswell as out of sync with the current fashions………. is it…??
and of all things, the only thing i appriciated in gays was….that they were really updated on the fashion IN things.
yani karoobar tu karoobar…hum na tu muhabat main bhi ghata kera
@fasee sab……sir we have a litmus paper type test to know for sure if you are not gay…..whenever Mrs qurashi is worried about my orientation….she hires a eunuch…to move ahead of me….
I am little bit annoyed on the Chief Justice, who came back as a result of this Long March (so my comment is on-topic), has now gone to perform Umra?????!!! (I saw it in The News)
If this is his private visit (apnee jaib say), then why announce to the whole world….and if it is on government’s dime, then I don’t see any difference here from other corrupt officials/politicians of PK?
Was KabirDas wasting his time? Can he check with his buddy Aitizaz what is going on here?
@kD sarkar…sir aap ko Aadaab! aur chacho(I.H) ko mera salaam kehna nothing more nothing less…!
@ balma
1. At KMB you are not on topic unless you bring in MQM in your comments:-)
2. In my view CJ Chaudhri ko bhee few if not 7 Qatal moaaf honay chahiay :-)
3. Public is generally kept informed by media about the movements of public figures. So let it be for the CJ. I did not scan today’s The News. I can say without further investigation that CJ must have gone for Umra at his own expense. He can’t afford to make the mistake of going for Umra at public’s expense——not after his restoration as a result of long march.
4. Aitazaz is now more of my hero than my buddy. I think ous ko bhee kuch Qatal moaaf honay chahiay:-)
5. Aitzaz has disassociated himself completely from CJ so much so he has announced not to appear before CJ to plead any case.
@ wasiq
Kush raho aur aabad raho.
However, why ‘aadab’ to KD and ‘salam’ to IH ??
You may not be aware that the term ‘aadab’ was devised by UP Muslims for use for Nonmuslims to avoid saying salam to them. Check it and let KD know if this was not the case. Try to dazzle KD with your brilliance. Don’t try to baffle him with your bull:-)
KD saheb,
Aadaab is/was a common greeting among Muslims and between Muslims and non-Muslims.
Few years ago, my older relatives from India shocked me by asking me why is everyone in the family in Pakisan is saying arabic style and arabic accented alsalam-o-alaikum:-)
When I asked what else should they say, they said how about plain old ‘aadaab’.
Even today, yes today, little kids are taught how to say aadaab in many Urdu speaking families in Pakistan. If nothing else, it looks cute:-)
Dumb ass burgers not withstanding!
And, KD, last thing you want to see or experience is Hyderabadi aadaab.
It is a whole different ball game in its own right. In it, unlike Mushie’s style, you actually bend down (depending on the other person’s (mukhaatib)age)bringing your head close to the other person’s tummy and you don’t raise your head until they touch your head.
In fact, it is referred to as ‘paiT may mounDDee Daalnaa’ :-)
Lastly, avoiding saying salam to non-muslims is some stupid desi idea.
Guess, what do Christian arabs say to other Christian Arabs?
Salam is not a Mafia code…..which I don’t know if you realize sounds like an arabic term (Maa-fee-ha = what-inside-is = chhuppaa hua/hidden).
KD Sahib, humaaray saath KMB per rahai’n gae tou yehee mazay ho’n gae!
aadaab,
Balma
oh, a clarification, that hyderabadi aadaab I was describibng is reserved as a show of respect to older people….
Otherwise, hyderabadi adaab is not much different, though sometimes from the way they bend their palm (and their deegar mashkook harkaat) I can tell if someone is Hyderabadi!
Balma jub saaRhee kay ishtyle say bataa saktay hai’n kay aurat kahan kee hae, tou haath kay andaaz during aadaab say bataa saktay hai’n keh aadaab karnay vaalaa/ee kahaan kaa/ee hae!
why ‘aadab’ to KD and ’salam’ to IH ??
@KD sarkar…..sir If our dear friend fasee sab would type the name of chacho during his multi tasking….its got to be….with both AA’s gone coming after the I and H….and yet he would be so politically correct because it is what the people pronounce mostly on the national television..in fact people sitting right next to him on talk shows of private television channels….I am surprised that you did not notice….
about Aadaab…. once upon a time long long(relevance to the topic)Gen sab(zia) went to United States on the official visit…during guard of honor…the anthem was played….he put his right hand on the heart…the US president I believe It was RR…looked at him did exactly the same…I was watching it on television….and I saw most US presidents following it later as well…most hand gestures are invented by the people in power…Aadab I believe has nothing to do with the muslims of india…it was invented by the rulers of india…its a court gesture….now I will watch the movies of indian courts upto the last emperor and confirm if the british officers did or did not bow down and said aadab to bahadur shah….no pun intended….
Jab piyar kiya toh darna kya
Jab piyar kiya toh….
Fasiq,
Except Hyderabadis no one bows during aadaab, except of course you are hanging around in Bahadur Shah Zafar’s court! :-)
Based on the gestures in Shatranj kay khilaaRi, English ambassadors showed up quiet obnoxiously in Wajid Ali Shah’s court….and he actually had land to rule and cash to loan to East India Co. But his army was weak and he was surrounded by the company land. Bahadur Shah Zafar was literally a prisioner in Red Fort…..and what is that shaer….
….Shah Alam…..
az dilli taa Palam…..
New Dehli’s airport used to be called Palam airport…until they named it after the shaheed mai.
@balma jee….you will have to excuse me because my knowledge on this topic is drived from the hindi movies and soaps….i’ll come back to you after more research…right now you have distracted me with the so accurate data about Palam airport….I googled it….and found some more interesting things that I have been looking for recently..thanks
shaheed ki jo mout hai woh qoum ki hayaat hai…
han han pata hai….hum logon kay saath raho gay toh aaisay hee mazey karo gay…..! thanks
@ balma.
i just remembered one line form msutaq ahmed yousfi….when i was a kid, i used to think bout that aswell. why us indians….ahd invented so many stuff, like adaab, ji aya noo, subah bakhair and stuff…while we had the most comprehensive yet brief meeting protocl established by islam.
isnt aslam u alikm more than enough to us.
Fasee, if you are a jamati, then "k’hul kar saamnay aa-o"
I have written above that salam is an arabic greeting, not just Islamic greeting. It is not a protocol for identifying Muslims. It does not work in the Middle East that way.
@balma jee….please yeah nahein karein aap ko kisi ko jamati kehna hai to aap mujhey ya siddiqui sab ko keh saktey hain….we don’t mind…per fasee sab ko aur maulana sab(multiple american Visa/green card/nationality/Allah ka karam)ko hergiz nahein ….
different modes of greeting when we meet also depend upon the mood of the person and the relation with the person being greeted….a lot of research has been done on this by human behavior experts..world wide….sometime people say or do nothing at all….just keep staring….as if they have lost the words…The arabs I have heard are too eager to hug and kiss both men and women….the verbal greetings follows later….the balouch’s I have seen will start greeting from miles away sometime from the other side of the hill….just to know if you are a friend or a foe before they spread their arms for you…
@ wasiq
" hum logon kay saath raho gay toh aaisay hee mazey karo gay…."
Sir, are you talking to KD or to yourself. If to KD then KD has this to say: Aur KD naal raho gay tay kuj kam de gal sikho gay :-)
@ balma
If what fasee said makes him a jamati then who knows KD may also me a jamati—-a jamati at heart or a closet jamati:-)
I think Islam Ale Kum is an Islamic greeting and not an Arabic greeting as such for which I offer following reasons:
a. It is used by all Muslims irrespective of their nationality and mother or national tongue.
b. Arabs did not use it before the advent of Islam though their mother tongue had been Arabic before Islam also.
c. I believe there still live in Arab lands Jews and Christian whose mother tongue is Arabic but don’t use this particular greeting.
d. In early days of Islam Muslims made a oncerted effort in various ways like growing of beards minus moustashes and dress etc (shoars of Islam) in such a manner so that they could have an idientity of their own.
Convinced or not ?? If convinced then apologize to Fasee for having accused him of being a jamati :-)
@ wasiq
You have done some good piece of reserch on the greetings. However, the issue raised by me still remains inconclusive. By the way let me add that UP Muslims used ‘Adab’ for high cast or high status hindoos. For low cast hindoos they used the greeting ‘Salam’ ie just ‘salam’ without any prefix or suffix.
By the way when we are still on this subject may I ask you the reason why you said Adab to KD and Salam to AA. Has KD’s suspious name something to do with it :-) Why not Adab to both or Salam to both or salam to KD and Adab to AA :-)
@KD sarkar…..sir what I have said about greetings is not research based…it is my general observations or hearsay….
the answer to why I said aadaab to you and salam to chacho….is very simple…if you see the difference that you tell anecdotes and we tell jokes….!
sir Goodfriday to you and Happy Easter to all…
@ balma
"Fasee, if you are a jamati, then "k’hul kar saamnay aa-o"
sir hamara lakh ikhtilaaf sahee, but i never thought you wud hit me so under the belt, and acuse me of bein a jmaati…..aap ki is baat pe maudoodi saab qabar main aur qazi husain ahmed latreen main "taraap" ker reh gai hoon gay…..
all my life i have been accused of being a rscist, weired, psycotic, sadasistic, evil genius, lewed, insane…but never…i repaet..never bein called a jamati……meri aisi bzati pehlai kabhi nai hoi..bara ajeeb sa lag raha hai…….toda me so depresseddi wont even take my medication….:(
@ KD.
sir thanks for the reducing the load on me…coz dat my basis of my argument awell….that it was an islamic gesture, not an arabi gesture…and the firs one to be exact.
@ wasiq
whenever yo are to greet an arab….to quote sir balma " sar munh ke ander dena " to pehlay pichoon dekh li jiyee ga..koi arab na khara hu….these are a nasty race i tell ya…;)
@ all.
frist there was this an hidden in the closet gay thingy…now i am being accused of being a hidden in a closet jamat thingy…..now i wnt be surprised if tommorow i wud be accused of being a woman with a fake mle I to mix with men as in real life i dont find men good enough or men dont find me attractive…..gosh…..we are livign in strange time i tell ya